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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1359906521 Message started by Bob Johnson on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 10:48am |
Title: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Bob Johnson on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 10:48am
Pain Med. 2013 Jan 31.
Demand Valve Oxygen: A Promising New Oxygen Delivery System for the Acute Treatment of Cluster Headache. Rozen TD, Fishman RS. Department of Neurology, Geisinger Health System, Wilkes-Barre, PA, USA. Abstract OBJECTIVE.: To show that demand valve oxygen is an effective acute treatment for cluster headache and to compare this oxygen delivery technique with standard cluster headache therapy of continuous flow oxygen. METHODS.: Single-center, open-label, two-period, two-treatment crossover design, pilot study was used. Subjects treated with one of two sequences: first, headache treated with continuous flow oxygen (100% oxygen at 15 liters per minute), and subsequent with demand valve oxygen, or vice versa. Treatment began when pain was at least moderate. Subjects taught a specific breathing technique for demand valve oxygen that included initial period of hyperventilation. Primary end point was headache response (moderate-to-very-severe pain reduced to mild or none) after 30 minutes of treatment. RESULTS.: Three subjects completed the trial, while a fourth completed demand valve oxygen only. All had chronic cluster headache. All subjects treated with demand valve oxygen became pain-free (time in minutes: 15, 19, 6, 8). Three of four had no recurrence within 24 hours. Demand valve oxygen reduced cranial autonomic symptoms in all and resolved them in two subjects. For continuous flow oxygen, two of three subjects became pain-free (20, 10 minutes). Continuous flow oxygen reduced but did not eliminate cranial autonomic symptoms. Continuous flow oxygen had higher recurrence rates. No adverse events noted with either treatment. CONCLUSION.: Demand valve oxygen appears to be an effective acute treatment for cluster headache. All subjects became headache-free. Time to pain freedom was fast (average 12 minutes). The small number of study subjects does not allow a direct comparison of efficacy between demand valve oxygen and continuous high flow oxygen. Wiley Periodicals, Inc. PMID:23369112[PubMed] |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Guiseppi on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 1:14pm
Great article Bob. I'm a demand valve man myself and I swear by that thing.
Joe |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Mike NZ on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 1:32pm
Great to see more work in this area, although the low number of subjects in the study will impact how significant the result is seen as being.
What does surprise me however is that the time to being pain free is 12 minutes, which is significantly longer than what a lot of people report here for either demand valve or high flow rates (25lpm or higher). I'd have thought that they should, with the technique they are using, match times around 5 minutes or so. |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Guiseppi on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 3:51pm
Mike, the problem was in how the test was run. They waited until the pain was at a "moderate level." For me, if I wait until the beast is fully entrenched....what they probably refer to as a moderate level....my abort times would be substantially longer. I hit the 02 as soon as the tingle in the eye and the tugging on the back of the neck start. In 6-8 minutes beasty is gone.
Joe |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Marc on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 8:39pm
Forgive me – perhaps I’m a bit slow. I’m still trying to understand the mystique of breathing through a demand valve versus breathing through a conventional valve. When I joined this site in 1999, O2 was well known as a great abortive. Linda eventually convinced me to try really high flow O2. I found that around 45 lpm, the bag on my mask kit doesn't over inflate and it didn’t go flat - it's in balance. And it works like I couldn’t believe!
Then, gradually the reports about demand valves moved from being a nifty convenience to “studies are being done to prove how much better they are.” I understand the O2 supplier/insurance company/under-informed doctor hurdles of "too much O2 is dangerous" nonsense, but all of us already know better than that. Breathing O2 at a miniscule 15-20 lpm vs O2 being sucked fast and furiously through a demand valve? Umm ......don't need a study to answer that one. But that’s comparing apples to oranges. Perhaps someone smarter than me, can help me understand the gains achieved by breathing the identical amount of O2 through one valve type vs. another........... Exactly what is the magic? Marc |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Guiseppi on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 11:11pm
For me, it dramatically conserves my oxygen. I exhale, cough to clear the lungs completely, breathe in a full breath of 02, then hold it for up to 30 seconds. For people who abort like me, it conserves your 02 as a demand valve only delivers when you inhale, does nothing in between. On an E-Tank I average about 300 pounds per abort. Your mileage of course may vary! ;)
Joe |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Batch on Feb 4th, 2013 at 2:25am
Hey Marc,
You've been using oxygen therapy at flow rates that support hyperventilation all along so you're well aware how effective it can be with very short abort times. The same goes for Joe, me, and many other CH'ers using either a demand valve, a 0-60 liter/minute InGage™ regulator from flotec or a rig like yours. The point here is we're not your average CH'er and there are only a handful of neurologists who not only understand the benefits of this method of oxygen therapy, but also dare to prescribe it. In publishing the results of his pilot study, Dr. Rozen has taken the first positive step in this area by alerting his fellow neurologists to the existence of a far more effective method of oxygen therapy with significantly shorter abort times... Moreover, this method of oxygen therapy should prove effective with CH'ers who are intractable to oxygen therapy at flow rates ≤15 liters/minute. You and I can flap our lips and quack like the Aflac duck until the cows come home about the effectiveness of the oxygen therapy method we use... and we'll never have the kind of impact Dr. Rozen is going to have on neurologists treating our disorder when they read his study results... I suspect part of your confusion may stem from the use of the active comparator also used in Dr. Rozen's pilot study... (oxygen therapy at 15 liters/minute with an O2PTIMASK™ kit... not a demand valve) I developed the procedures for the demand valve method of oxygen therapy as well as the training video DVDs Dr. Rozen provided to each particpant in his pilot study. His pilot study participants also received hands-on training using the demand valve method of oxygen therapy and the O2PTIMASK™. I know... because I drove up to Wilkes-Barre and spent a day training the trainers on both methods of oxygen therapy. Each study participant had to demonstrate a level of competence with both procedures before they were sent home to abort an actual cluster headache using an oxygen flow rate of 15 liters/minute with an O2PTIMASK kit and abort a second cluster headache using the demand valve method of oxygen therapy. I can assure you the demand valve method of oxygen therapy evaluated in Dr. Rozen's pilot study used flow rates that support hyperventilation. This procedure is equivalent to a sequence of 25 liters/minute, 40 liters/minute and 60 liters/minute for up to 30 seconds each to ensure the user reaches respiratory alkalosis with symptoms of paresthesia before lowering their respiration rate to a lung ventilation tidal flow equal to an oxygen flow rate of 40-45 liters/minute until the abort. If your overlook the expense of an oxygen demand valve and regulator equipped with a DISS check valve fitting... which we think will be eventually covered by medical insurance if this method of oxygen therapy is included in the standards of care recommended treatments for cluster headache... the demand valve method of oxygen therapy offers several advantages. 1. As there's no oxygen flow from an oxygen demand vale until the user generates a demand by attempting to inhale, this device helps conserve oxygen... A constant flow oxygen regulator would continue to flow if you fell asleep before turning off the cylinder supply valve... It happens... 2. PCPs and Neurologists don't need to specify an oxygen flow rate if the demand valve method of oxygen therapy is prescribed. 3. Dosage is controlled by respiration rate. Accordingly, there's no need to be reaching for the regulator to change flow rates as the user huffs and puffs his or her way to an abort... Moreover, can you imagine the explosive IBS experienced by the bureaucrats at CMS, their Oxygen DME stooge contractors, and the obamacare medical insurance bean-counting droids at the IRS upon reading an Rx for oxygen therapy calling for oxygen flow rates of 25, 40 and 60 liters/minute? That could get real ugly... lots of greenhouse gas too... In short, we can't sell the use of constant flow regulators at flow rates of 25 to 60 liters/minute or at any flow rate in between as a standard of care CH abortive to neurologists, payers, providers and most of all to the big government bureaucrats at CMS... There's just too much build-in bias, push-back, and the all too frequent use of the word "NO" as a first response. You need to understand that the bureaucrats and bean counters at CMS (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services... i.e., Big Government) have already refused coverage for oxygen therapy to Medicare beneficiaries like me suffering from cluster headache... Moreover, when the idiot bureaucrats at CMS/HHS and mindless droid bean-counters at the IRS drive all the private medical insurance companies out of business making government provided obamacare the only payer and health care provider... you can kiss oxygen therapy with compressed oxygen as a cluster headache abortive goodby forever... They want to kill the use of LOX systems too... In the mean time... we need to foster the notion of a better mousetrap... like use of the demand valve method of oxygen therapy as a safe, effective and economical abortive for cluster headache that works very rapidly... We also need to speak soto voce about constant flow regulators and oxygen flow rates above 25 liters/minute... Big Government already has super computers surfing all the blogs and your email. Even your medical records are no longer private. HHS is already badgering your healthcare provider and insurance company (payer) for electronic access to your medical records and insurance billing data... Remember... elections have consequences... I hope this clears up the confusion and intent. If not... I'm sure you'll let me know... Take care, V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Mike NZ on Feb 4th, 2013 at 3:22am
Thanks for the reply Joe. For my CHs they tend to go from zero to moderate / higher pain over about 30 seconds, so for my CHs there isn't a delay for the pain to build before I hit my O2, I just get on it ASAP after it starts, which is what will help with the 5 min or less aborts (plus 25lpm, the optimask and hyperventilating).
Batch, another great post packed full of info. I'm still learning! |
Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by wimsey1 on Feb 5th, 2013 at 7:58am
Marc, for me a demand flow valve works better because I don't have to worry about deflating the 3 liter bag. Regardless of when I get on the O2, my CH ramps up quickly and I breathe rapidly and deeply from the start. Even at 25lpm I empty the bag and have to wait for the next breath. Not with the demand flow valve. The O2 is there, as much as I want, as fast as I need. blessings. lance
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Title: Re: Oxygen: Modified Delivery System: Advantages Post by Marc on Feb 5th, 2013 at 8:56pm
Lance,
I fully understand the mechanics and Batch just made it clear to everyone else. Your example is why I've been saying that 25 lpm isn't high flow. I have yet to meet anyone who can deflate a 3 liter bag faster than I do. But, a simple regulator that puts out REALLY high flow will outrun even a demand valve if needed. Pete made a point about falling asleep. As a regular visitor to the land of "real K10's" I grant that one! Other than that, it takes virtually NO effort to adjust the flow to match my breathing rate - which varies between 20 lpm and 60 lpm with NO waste, NO deflated bag. You can't get better than that in terms of performance. (convenience, yes) Batch: That's what I was hinting at - I get it. It's all about getting around the hurdles of the medical/insurance/political system. A study that says that "it works better" will eventually get accepted as mainstream treatment - eliminating the whole 15 lpm argument with folks who don't know better. After spending a whole lot of hours holding a mask on other sufferers faces with welding O2 feeding a 3 liter bag: I push them with instructions to "try to empty the bag 5 times in 20-30 seconds - keep breathing the O2 at a slower rate for 15 seconds - then do the 5 super deep breaths again" - "Now do it again, but try harder and faster!" A demand valve wouldn't give them a visual target to shoot at, because they don't understand what a DEEP breath really is until later) The look on their faces and the streaming tears become indelibly etched in your memory. Sure, demand valves are a great convenience and they will save O2 if you fall asleep. I just don't want anyone to sufferer because "demand valves work better." For those of us that have been there, avoiding even one minute of a true K10 is waaaay more than just important. Marc |
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