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Title: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by SMalloy on May 15th, 2014 at 12:06pm
Hello all my name is shaleem. I'm not a CH suffer but my wife is and her cycle has returned. I've been thinking and I've come up with something to consider If u already haven't. From the outside looking in it seems as CH has life. It doesn't behave like typical headaches. For some it's chronic and for most like my wife it's episodic. The come on suddenly and go away the same way. The pain is isolated to one side. From what I know it's not caused by any virus bacteria or fungus. Oxygen is the best treatment for it. Pain meds can't touch it. When u start to break down each factor of the whole u tend to come up with some interesting conclusions. One conclusion is that it's semi self caused. Like mind over matter. I say that cause meditation can help or something else. Remember I said CH seems to be alive. I need ur help and the only way to solve the CH MYSTERY Is with many people outside the medical community working over time to help the doctors find out a way to stop them. I think they are caused by a parasite of some sort affecting the brain stem or spinal cord. Looking forward to your input. Please the more ideas the better. No matter how crazy they seem to be
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Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by Bob Johnson on May 15th, 2014 at 2:15pm
See the PDF file, below, for the currently used meds to prevent and treat Cluster. While Oxygen works quickly to abort an attack, other meds lasts longer--and a med to prevent/reduce attacks is essential.
=== Headache:lessons learned from functional imaging British Medical Bulletin 2003; 65: 223-234 Arne May Department of Neurology, University of Regensburg, Regensburg, Germany Using PET in a larger patient series, significant activations ascribable to the acute cluster headache were observed in the ipsilateral hypothalamic grey matter when compared to the headache-free state44. This highly significant activation was not seen in cluster headache patients out of the bout when compared to the patients experiencing an acute cluster headache attack45. In contrast to migraine25, no brainstem activation was found during the acute attack compared to the resting state. This is remarkable, as migraine and cluster headache are often discussed as related disorders and identical specific compounds, such as ergotamine and sumatriptan, are currently used in the acute treatment of both types of headache46. These data suggest that while primary headaches such as migraine and cluster headache may share a common pain pathway, the trigeminovascular innervation, the underlying pathogenesis differs significantly as might be inferred from the different patterns of presentation and responses to preventative agents46. Just as it is striking that no brainstem activation occurs in contrast to acute migraine, no hypothalamic activation was seen in experimental pain induced by capsaicin injection into the forehead47. This is important because injection of the forehead would activate first (ophthalmic) division afferents which are the trigeminal division predominantly responsible for pain activation in cluster headache. Thus two other types of first division of trigeminal nerve pain, while sharing neuro-anatomical pathways with cluster headache, do not give rise to VASCULAR HEADACHE: ARE BLOOD VESSELS INVOLVED? Taking these observations on acute cluster headache together with what has been observed in experimental head-pain and migraine, the data establish that migraine and CLUSTER HEADACHE, FAR FROM BEING PRIMARILY VASCULAR DISORDERS, ARE CONDITIONS WHOSE GENESIS IS TO BE FOUND IN THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IN PACEMAKER OR CIRCADIAN REGIONS SPECIFIC TO THE SYNDROME. If further studies confirm these findings, a better understanding will be gained of where and how acute and preventative therapy can be targeted. ========= Neurol Sci. 2013 May;34 Suppl 1:71-3. Cluster headache: what has changed since 1999? Leone M, Cecchini AP, Tullo V, Curone M, Di Fiore P, Bussone G. SourceDepartment of Neurology, Headache Centre and Pain Neuromodulation Unit, C. Besta Neurological Institute and Foundation, Milan, Italy, leone.m@istituto-besta.it. Abstract The peripheral and central origin of pain in cluster headache (CH) and trigeminal autonomic cephalgias (TACs) has been matter of debate. In the last decade, a number of information came from both animal and human studies. This paper briefly highlights main data from these studies. Taken together, THERE IS NOW SUFFICIENT BODY OF EVIDENCE INDICATING THAT CH and TACs can be regarded as a unique headache spectrum-syndrome, DUE TO INVOLVEMENT OF SPECIFIC BRAIN AREAS. PMID:23695050[PubMed ![]() |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by Jeannie on May 15th, 2014 at 2:47pm
I mean no disrespect but the thought of CH being "semi self caused" or "mind over matter" is ridiculous. I can't tell you how angry it makes me when someone says "Maybe if you didn't worry about getting one, you wouldn't. "
I hope that you and your wife visit here often and learn all that you can to treat and manage her CH. You may want to check out the thread "123 Days PF and I Think I Know Why." Vitamin D3 has helped a lot of people including me. It took a while for me to see the benefits but I'm really glad I stuck with it! |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by maz on May 15th, 2014 at 5:16pm
I'm with Jeannie on this.
Believe me, there is NO WAY I would do this to myself. Maz. |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by BobG on May 16th, 2014 at 10:25am Quote:
Parasite? I don't think so. |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by Bob Johnson on May 16th, 2014 at 12:13pm
I find it useful to keep in mind a bumper sticker floating aronnd my neighborhood:
"Just because I have a thought doesn't mean I have to believe it!" |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by jon019 on May 16th, 2014 at 1:48pm Bob Johnson wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 12:13pm:
......or even say it......sheesh....I THOUGHT i had heard 'em all...my bad one more piece of proof for "Pat's Theorem"......Pat, got your ears on? missing you...... |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by AussieBrian on May 17th, 2014 at 5:01am
Not sure about your theories, Shaleem, but I must admire that you are so supportive of your wife, you accept that sometimes she visits a hell on earth, and you're happy to seek some way, any way, to help her.
Good onya, mate. |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by Jeannie on May 17th, 2014 at 7:07pm AussieBrian wrote on May 17th, 2014 at 5:01am:
I completely agree, Brian. I really do hope he comes back. There is so much help here. |
Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by cwf1966 on Jun 25th, 2014 at 6:13pm
I have recently started my 4th fight with these things in 5 years. My wife found this site and found information about the D3 system. I have started it 3 days ago. I know and have accepted that it will take a while for it to really show any progress but I am very optimistic of the long term outcome. I am so thankful to have found this site and all the wonderful people with some interesting and encouraging information. Thank you all!
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Title: Re: cluster headaches theory on cause Post by Batch on Jun 26th, 2014 at 8:15pm
CWF,
Good move starting the anti-inflammatory regimen... The odds are clearly in your favor you'll experience a favorable response... likely within the first week to 10 days. Please keep us posted. V/R, Batch |
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