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Message started by jfred on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm

Title: Hi everyone!
Post by jfred on Aug 9th, 2014 at 11:38pm
I just finished my 8th attack in 3 days after years of being symptom free.  Dr gave me Imitrex and Fiorcet and they take the edge off but the pain is worse than I remember.  Good to know there is a place where people understand.

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by Mike NZ on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:23am
Hi and welcome. Sorry to hear that you've back in cycle. As to the pain I'm sure we try hard to forget just what it can be like, so it is always a shock when it returns.

Are you using a preventive to cut down how many CH you get? Something like verapamil or lithium?

With the imitrex, is this the injection or the pill form? The injection works so much better and faster, killing CHs in a few minutes, compared to about 20-30 minutes for the pill.

Fioricet is more suited to treating tension headaches, so just about useless for CH.

Tell us a bit more about how you deal with your CH. Also start reading all you can find here and ask all the questions you can think of.

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by feisty on Aug 10th, 2014 at 12:45am
Sorry to read that you're going through it again :(

My dh finally tried O2 and it's been lifesaver for aborting CH. If you haven't tried it, or if you're not sure if you tried it properly, it's worth reading this guide:
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I organized dh to get O2 the day after after he had such horrible attacks that I couldn't bear it.

Hang in there...

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by maz on Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:00am
Hi and welcome. [smiley=wave.gif]
As you are currently taking imitrex, ask your doctor for the auto injections. Easy to use by your self (just a button to press) and absolutely brilliant for aborting a monster attack.
Also get some oxygen prescribed, BUT, this is important you must have a flow rate of at least 15 litres per minute (higher is better) and a non rebreather mask. If you get either of those wrong it won't work.

Depending on where in the world you live the imitrex can be expensive and therefore difficult to get hold of, so I use the O2 at home and save my injections for when I'm out. Also stockpile a few when your'e not in cycle to help spread the cost when you are.

There is a yellow highlited tab on the left of your screen called "oxygen info" which may help.

We understand only too well so keep coming back here for support and info and let us know how you get along.
Maz.

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 10th, 2014 at 9:16am
Welcome to the board Fred, what part of the world are you from? . Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. Your current treatment plan leads me to believe your doctor, for all his good intentions, knows very little about CH

I’ve had CH for over 35 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach. But first and MOST IMPORTANTLY

Follow this link to the medications section of this board and read the post 

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It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff. It’s up to an 81% success rate of those who try it and respond to the survey so you’re just shooting yourself in the foot if you don’t give it a shot. I’m 3 years pain free on it after a 35 plus year track record with episodic CH. Best of all, it’s healthy for you even without CH!

As of January 20, 2013, the compiled raw data indicates an efficacy of 80%. 240 out of the 300 CH'ers who have started this regimen and stayed on it for a month or more have experienced a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH... 78% of the 300 CH'ers experienced a pain free response and 60% of the 300 have remained essentially pain free. Episodic and chronic CH'ers respond to this regimen at roughly the same rate.

Preliminary survey results indicate most of these CH'ers were pain free before the end of the third week with some responding in a little as 12 to 24 hours. The average time to respond is five days

So all that follows will be worthless I hope……….but still…

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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This link will show you how to get set up with welding oxygen:

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.


For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

clusterbusters.com


Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by jfred on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:46pm
Thanks for the help everyone.  I'm not on any preventive meds and my Dr did not say anything about Oxygen.  I live right outside of New Orleans and I'm 41 years old.  The imitrex he prescribed is in pill form.  I'm hoping to see a specialist this week.  His diagnosis was CH with migraine components.  I've researched quite a bit this weekend when I could.  I'm more prepared this time with the appropriate questions.  Its been so long I really thought they were a thing of the past.  I now know that was a false assumption.

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by Bob Johnson on Aug 10th, 2014 at 1:56pm
Moving to a (headache?) specialist is good news. Refrain
from starting other treatments until you see the new guy.

Ask directly about  his training/experience with Cluster; if he is a neurologist, this does not assure appropriate training to treat complex headached disorders.

Print the PDF file, below. For you information and a nice tool to discuss treatment options with any doc you see.

Explore:

These sites which are worth your attention: medical literature, films, plus the expected information
about CH.

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  Full of articles, blogs, book: written by one of the best headache docs in the Chicago area.
  Worth exploring. The latest book is in e-book edition, $10; comprehensive and worth buying for
  a careful read.



Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by maz on Aug 10th, 2014 at 2:03pm
Thats the thing about CH. Remissions can be anything from a few weeks to years, and when you've been pain free for a long time it's easy to forget the bad times.

I'm glad you are seeing a specialist as they are the best people to diagnose and treat this condition. General doctors don't have a clue. Mine says I know more about it than she does and often asks me questions. Your doctor didn't mention oxygen because he probably doesn't know.

Ask about preventatives like verapamil or lithium, and ask if he will change your imitrex to the injectables. They really do work fast - seven to 10 minutes in my case, and thats for the monsters. Milder ones are easily taken care of with O2, but bear in mind what I said in my previous post about the flow rate and the mask. With these abortives working so well I don't have a preventative which would have to be taken permanently. I prefer to just use drugs when I need to, and of course the O2 is completely drug free.

Good luck with your specialist. Keep us in the loop.
Maz.

Title: Re: Hi everyone!
Post by LasVegas on Aug 10th, 2014 at 2:11pm
jfred,
Hopefully you have a specialist you are comfortable with that provides you with effective treatment.

Last September 2013, I emailed every CH.com member in Louisiana asking for a name of their recommended doctor who provided them effective Cluster Headache treatment.

If your doctor's name is not on this list seen below, please consider checking into one or more of these recommended doctors near New Orleans where you reside.

Baton Rouge
Dr. Steven Zuckerman

Covington
Dr. Srinivas Ganji

Lafayette

Dr. Steven Snatic

Metairie
Dr. Daniel Trahant

New Iberia
Dr. Timothy Himel

Shreveport

Dr. Debra Elliott

Hope you find somebody down there to help you with effective treatment.

-Gregg in Las Vegas


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