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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Cluster Headache Specific >> CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1425866259 Message started by Luna on Mar 8th, 2015 at 9:57pm |
Title: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Luna on Mar 8th, 2015 at 9:57pm
Hello,
I'm going crazy with questions over here because my CHs have come back after just a month or so of being HA free. I'm a long time episodic CH sufferer and I've never had back to back cycles. In fact, in recent years I've gone 3, and 5 years between attacks. I had a very long, miserable cycle this past fall/winter which ended mid to late January. After my cycle ended, within a month or maybe less, I began to have shadows again. Then bam, last night and early this morning I was hit HARD! At one point I found myself crying on the bathroom floor, trying to force myself to throw up from excruciating pain. Could I be going from episodes to chronic? I'm freaking out! I'm under a ton of stress (in the process of buying my first home). Also, we never really had much of a winter this year in AZ so there have been crazy fluctuations in weather this year without much of a pattern. Could this make matters worse? I already blew through my PTO during my last cycle so I don't know what I'll do if I need to take more time off... Please help! Any advise or relevant personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Brad |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Luna on Mar 8th, 2015 at 10:02pm
...and I almost forgot...My headaches have switched sides from my last attach. I'm fairly certain I've always been hit on the left.
Is this common? |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Mike NZ on Mar 8th, 2015 at 10:22pm
CH is predictably unpredictable it seems. Whilst most people have their CHs on the same side each cycle, it can change for others, normally between cycles but sometimes during cycles. I've had it switch for a handful of CHs during a cycle which was confusing to say the least. I've not seen any consensus on it meaning anything though.
Some people do get cycles close together and some years apart, plus it can change. It is the nature of CH. And don't worry about going chronic either, it's probably just a one off double cycle. Even if you are, one CH is just like another. The same medication works as a preventive and the same things work as abortives. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Luna on Mar 8th, 2015 at 10:38pm
Thanks Mike!
I've really been freaking out and I need to try and relax and get some sleep. It's in Gods hands now and thankfully, I have left over Verapramil, a refill of sumatriptan, and melatonin. :o |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Mike NZ on Mar 8th, 2015 at 11:55pm
You gain the chronic label once you've gone 12 months with less than a 1 month break. There really isn't any difference between a CH on day 365 of a cycle and one on day 366.
There have been a few times when people who are episodic and chronic debate which is easier to manage and each group seems to be convinced that they find it easier. Verapamil, sumatriptan and melatonin are pretty good tools against CH. Have you looked at oxygen? With a non-rebreather mask and a 25lpm flow rate I've killed CHs off in under 5 minutes, which is a game changer. Similarly look at vitamin D3, I've gone over 3 years CH pain free and others have gone even longer with it benefiting just over 80% of people who try it. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by BarbaraD on Mar 9th, 2015 at 8:17am
Definitely get on the D3 regimen. I was chronic since 97 and now have been PF since Oct of 2013 since going on it.
And the weather has ALWAYS been a trigger for me. And this year has been one crazy year insofar as weather goes (at least here in Texas). I also suffer from migraines and it's been hell on those). But get on the D3 and hopefully you'll be in the 80% and will be PF shortly. Good luck on the new house.. Keep the light on - you never know when a clusterbud might knock on the door.. :-* |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by BigHitter on Mar 9th, 2015 at 5:42pm
Luna, I totally feel your fear and panic, but this has happened to me twice before, once in 2006, got them in Feb, cycled through April, gone, then about 5 weeks later, boom, back into them again for another 6 weeks. Then just a couple of months ago I had them for a month in December through the first week of January, 2015, and a month later, they were on me again and I'm now say 23 in this cycle. I'm 23 years episodic now, and like you, this back-to-back has freaked me out, but one thing that I know has stayed consistent about my cycles is their inconsistency. I wish I had magic words that I could say that would make you feel better (I wish someone had them for me, too!), but hang in there, take it one minute at a time and I believe both of us will come out of this cycle with, please God, many pain free days top come! And I totally double what Bob Johnson has written here. He;s a smart guy with great information!
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Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by BigHitter on Mar 9th, 2015 at 5:45pm
Oh, and mine can go left, right, left/right same cycle - I don't think this is any indication of going episodic to chronic. If it were, I'd probably have gone chronic a long time ago!
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Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Luna on Mar 10th, 2015 at 12:17am
I'm so grateful for this group. Thank you all for taking time to help me with my fears. "Let go, let God" I supose.
Bob thank you for the detailed message with additional resources. Im very familiar with CBT as my wife is a therapist. I went in to the Neuro today and she wants to keep me on Verapramil indefinitely.I mentioned the D3 treatment but she was unaware of it. ::) Is D3, fish oil and a good multi enough or do you need to follow the regiment strictly. Thanks again everone! |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by maz on Mar 10th, 2015 at 3:50am
Hi Luna,
D3 can alter the way the body absorbs calcium and magnesium and if these co factors are not taken you may find yourself deficient in these too. When my doctor does my blood tests she not only checks the level of D3, but these two as well, as it's important to be properly balanced. That is why the blood tests are important. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Peter510 on Mar 10th, 2015 at 3:50am
Hi there,
I'm doing the D3 for 7 weeks now and i'm having great results, from chronic for two years to occasional mild hits and shadows at this time. Much better than I've been in years. I followed Batch's dosages with all the cofactors very strictly. I figured that he knows more about it than I do. My Doctor looked at it too and was impressed. So, if you do the D3 programme, I would suggest that you stick strictly to it. Peter. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by beerbarge on Mar 10th, 2015 at 10:35am Peter510 wrote on Mar 10th, 2015 at 3:50am:
How long did it take for you to see initial results? I'm on day 6 and getting clobbered every 2 hours at night. High KIP hits after the first 2. Shadows almost all day long. Thank You, Beerbarge |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Peter510 on Mar 10th, 2015 at 1:44pm
Beerbarge,
It took about 2 weeks before I started to feel any benefit. I had been chronic for the last two years and I mean every day and night without a single 24 hour period of remission. Also, when tested my D3 level was really low, so I was starting from a bad place. Have you had your D3 level tested? Stick with it. It's worth persisting. Peter. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by beerbarge on Mar 10th, 2015 at 2:15pm
No tests yet. I'm an eposodic C head. Had been in remission for 2 1/2 years and it came on a week ago. 4 days before I got hit I had been in NYC drinking for 2 nights.
Im still reactionary at this point in this cycle. Been dealing with this for 16 years. As usual the challenge is my fix is never the same. Last time power drinks would kill a HA on onset. This time no dice. I half assed the D3 regimen last time. But Im committed this time. I still have some alternative actions I can take if need be and O2 to abort in the mean time. I look back through the years at what has worked from Melatonin to MM yet it seems like for me it's a one time deal to buy me a couple years. Thank You for the Reply, Beerbarge |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Peter510 on Mar 10th, 2015 at 2:31pm
Beerbarge,
I've had this for 13 years and been down most treatment roads in that time. While I would never claim to be any kind of expert on either the cause or the treatment of CH, one thing I'm convinced of... Alcohol and CH are not good friends. Believe me when I say that's not a judgement on anyone's drinking habits. I'm an Irishman and used to love my pint of Guinness with the best of them and God knows I skulled enough in my time. I don't take any alcohol at all, EVER, anymore because I know what it does for my CH. I also tried the D3 programme in a half-assed way a year ago with no benefit. This time I am sticking strictly to Batch's instructions, with huge benefits. Get the D3 level tested. It will be interesting to see where you are right now. Mind yourself, Peter. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by beerbarge on Mar 10th, 2015 at 4:38pm
Peter,
At this point, being in a full blown cycle I won't touch a drop. The weird thing is, when I'm not in a cycle, and I get a twinge or a minor shadow then go on a Rum bender it all goes away. Almost like a maintenance dose but with Rum. Hopefully, D3 kicks in soon. But right now nights suck. I'm just thankful for o2. Hope you stay PF forever, Beerbarge |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Peter510 on Mar 10th, 2015 at 4:51pm
Let us know how you get on over the coming weeks.
P. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by stevegeebe on Apr 22nd, 2015 at 10:26pm
Same here Luna except maintaining right side. Cycle this year ramped up at the autumnal equinox and ended at the vernal equinox. Went about three weeks pain free and even had some beers. Then I felt that familiar tinge and it seems to have started another cycle.
Crazy stuff. When people would ask me when it would end I would tell them, at the equinox. They said you're crazy. I was right. I hope this cycle doesn't last till Fall. Hoping for best for you. Steve G |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by BarbaraD on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 12:28pm
BeerBarge... check in with Batch.. did you take the BIG dose going into the regimen.. I didn't do that till he yelled at me.. :). But after he straightened me out, I've been pain free since (since Oct 2013 - after being chronic since 1997).
But it ain't something you half-assed do.. Ya gotta be committed. And for some reason alcohol doesn't bother me (except red wine and I don't get near that stuff). But for about 12 years I couldn't even look at a beer (and I do like beer). Then one rainy day, I decided to have one and nothing happened. Guess I outgrew my fear of beer or something. I don't drink much, but have an occasional beer or cocktail now and then (just to be sociable ya know ;D). But I think it's been established around here over the years that alcohol is the ONE main trigger for CH. Get on the D3 and check with Batch.. :-* |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by beerbarge on Apr 24th, 2015 at 6:44pm
I've been on the D3 regimen since March 7th. It was not working very well so I took an alternative route 3 weeks in. Took a few times but the Clusters stopped. Got a week and a half PF and thought I was done. BUT I had to fly to NY last week and that same night they came back. Every time I'd lay down one would come on.
SO, now I'm back in a cycle but it's much different. The first one I only got hit at night. This one if I even sit on the chase in the living room(day or night) one will come on. To make matters more difficult O2 is hit and miss. A few weeks ago it would abort a HA in 5 minutes or so. The alternative therapy isn't working either. I'm running out of options. Over the years every time I find a solution(melatonin and B50, Power drinks, and others) it won't ever work again. But I'm gonna keep on fighting this thing with what I have left in my arsenal. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by Peter510 on Apr 25th, 2015 at 3:04am
Hey Beerbarge,
Sorry to hear things are not good. You need to stick with the D3 for longer than 3 weeks. It took about 5 weeks in my case before I got my levels high enough to get any benefit. What was the alternative you tried? Keep well, Peter. |
Title: Re: CHs back and switched sides after 1 month HA free! Post by beerbarge on Apr 25th, 2015 at 3:48pm
Batch,
Reading through some of the threads last night, the pollen thing dawned on me. From one of your other posts, actually. I'm sure my immune system has been beat down due to it. The week prior to the headaches coming back I had been all over the Carolinas and then NYC. Raleigh was particularly bad. I thought upstate SC had bad pollen but Raleigh was a whole new level. The roads were green. I'll give Benedryl a shot. Thank You, Beerbarge |
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