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Daily Chat >> General Posts >> Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1450439087 Message started by Batch on Dec 18th, 2015 at 6:44am |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by thierry on Dec 27th, 2015 at 7:56am
Thanks for another greatly informative post Pete.
You're obviously taking plenty of Magnesium yourself All the best |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by Peter510 on Dec 27th, 2015 at 1:06pm
Batch,
Don't ever stop. Peter. |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by thierry on Dec 27th, 2015 at 2:06pm
Quote: "In my experience the Recommended Daily Allowance of 300 mg to 400 mg is inadequate for important functions of magnesium including optimal brain function. Keep in mind, magnesium is required for 700-800 enzyme functions in the body. Over the years I have seen significant health improvement in individuals consuming an absorbable form of magnesium such as magnesium citrate powder in the 600 mg – 1,000 mg range."
Hey Pete, It sounds like we should be taking more than the 400mg Mag/day that form part of the regimen. Do you think we should be taking around 1000mg/day? Also, do you think magnesium citrate is the best form of magnesium as regards bioavailability Currently taking 400mg mag citrate/day. All the best |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by thierry on Dec 28th, 2015 at 5:15pm |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by blacklab on Dec 31st, 2015 at 2:46am
Hi Thierry, well you have bought up a subject that I have been researching and looking into in the last week or so. I have finally identified what was causing my "looseness" for so long, something that effected my stomach for as long as ive been on the regime.
Now, I stand to be corrected here, and for most people, this wont be an issue at all, its just I have a very sensitive stomach, or so ive found. So, after reading the different aborbtion rates I was quite surprised. For instance if your taking a magnesium oxide, its absorption rate is as low as 4%, so taking 400mg, would give you only 15-20mg of magnesium and I would suspect a fair bit of toilet time to boot. I decided to search for magnesium glycinate, the reason was, it has a well known calming amino acid, its rapidly absorbed and doesn't have a laxative effect since the glycine is actively transported through the intestinal wall. I was surprised to read and now I understand my situation, that while magnesium citrate has a good bioavaiability and absorption rate, it still contains laxative properties and is even recommended for constipation problems. Now as mentioned, the average person with a strong stomach, would not have an issue with magnesium citrate, but boy I did. So off I went on my search for magnesium glycinate and I found countless bottles of it both on line and at out chemist and vitamin shops. But here's the thing, It costs a lot more to manufacture this form of magnesium, so pretty well all the product on offer, upon close inspection of the label, showed that the total content of Glycinate was minimal, and most were buffered with magnesium oxide ! probably the worst type if your having issues like I was. For instance, one bottle, claimed 200mg magnesium Glycinate, however, the label revealed, only 50mg of mag. Glycinate, and 150mg of an unstated magnesium type. So I sent off an email to the manufacturer, not expecting a reply, to receive a reply stating that the 150mg was a combination of magnesiums, chelated, with the predominant form being Oxide ! So therefore it probably wont work for me, plus depending on the actual volume of oxide content, your not getting a true 200mg of absorbed magnesium at all. I found a product locally, American made, of the pure brand, which I've paid over the top for, but I needed to get some ordered to start up on the regime again in the early new year. All the write ups and indeed the label,indicate that its only magnesium Glycinate, with no other buffers mixed in. This probably is of know use to others that don't have an issue with magnesium tolerance. But I did learn that magnesium Citrate, if it doesn't upset your stomach, is a good brand with regard to bioavailability and absoption. But I would suggest if your not taking that type, spend a bit of time and check out what type of magnesium your taking and reference it for its absorption rate etc. It seems there's more and more evidence that Magnesium is such an important mineral that most people lack or are deficient in and it plays such a major roll in other vitamin absorption rates as well, as per Batches first post covers. I'm certainly no expert on all things Magnesium, but its been an interesting experience trying to get hold of a " non laxative " type of magnesium, that's for sure..... regards colin |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by pattik on Dec 31st, 2015 at 11:33am
I've been researching magnesium almost as long as D3, so I'll throw in my two cents.
I believe that magnesium supplementation is going to be the next big thing in nutrients for many health issues, including its connection to D3 absorption. D3 is getting tons of attention now. I'm seeing reports that low magnesium levels are becoming more common, and the whys can be up for debate. At the moment, I have three types of magnesium sitting on my kitchen counter--oxide, citrate, and cheleated gycinate. I've been at this regimen for almost three years, and my own response to magnesium supplements requires me to rotate types. The oxide will work for a few weeks before it turns into a laxative. I haven't experienced problems with citrate, but it's suddenly more trouble to find, now that Costco has stopped carrying it. I don't want calcium/magnesium combos, because my diet has enough calcium already. Any cheleated form, like glycinate, is purported to have the best absorption, and that is also what I have personally found. I agree with Jerry about Swanson's website. They have consistently competitive pricing, and their store brand is very good. Since I take stomach medication which is known to reduce magnesium absorption, I have been pretty diligent with my supplements. I just had a magnesium blood level test done, and I was at the high end of the range. So I'm doing something right. Magnesium is not easy to absorb, which makes the whole process require a degree of dedication, patience, and willingness to tinker with dosages. It's a lot of work, and one size does not fit all. |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by blacklab on Dec 31st, 2015 at 5:41pm
Hi guys, an interesting read on your thoughts pattik and I agree regarding magnesium being super important regarding being an important nuitrient.
I guess it was a great learning curve for me, firstly understanding that the magnesium we take is not in its pure form, we simply couldn't handle that, so its mixed or infused with different substances to generate the different forms that we take. For instance citrate brands are magnesium infused with citric acid type substances etc. then there's all the talk of magnesium stearites, which some say is toxic, its used as a free flow and coating agent in the process of the actual manufacture of quite a few pills, as its the cheapest product to use the debate goes on about its toxicity. Regarding the swanson magnesium Glycinate, this was one of the products I researched and found here. What I found out was that the actual Glycinate content levels in it, is actually a very small percentage of the stated magnesium content and if you read the labelling, is buffered with magnesium oxide, the cheapest form of magnesium available. Now this actually brings up something quite interesting, from what I've been researching, and if you go into that site, check out the supplier of the raw material, who also supply a lot of the main brand raw material to a lot of retailers of magnesium supplements, well, apparently their has been a court action against them regarding this topic, due to the particular levels of magnesium types in the content of supplements. You see its cheaper to "buff" the product with the cheaper oxide than the more costly forms of magnesium, as per my post regarding a brand of magnesium Glycinate I found stating 200mg of Glycinate, which actually was only made up of 50mg, the rest was buffered with oxide. I suppose one could say its still magnesium, but what you actually absorb, is way lower than what the pill states as oxide is one of the lowest absorbed magnesiums on the market, so effectively your taking a 200 mg tablet and there's less than half the available or absorbable available magnesium on offer. The obvious advantage for the manufacturer is cost. I'll try and get a link to the actual court case where all this is explained and post it up, its an interesting read. So for me, with issues of tolerance, I don't want magnesium with an oxide content for obvious reasons, and for those needing to monitor magnesium intake levels, they actually need to know what type of magnesium there consuming or they'll never know true absorption levels. What I found was that magnesium glycinate is much more expensive to produce, so if its found on the shelf, with a very cheap price, then its pretty well definite that its been buffered with oxide in manufacture. All the mag. glycinate supplements that I found with no buffering agents, just bound with glycine, are way way more expensive. I payed over the top for some here down under, just to get it ordered so I can re start the regime, but I can buy it cheaper ex U.S.A, (which I will do on my next order, as there's a big delay in delivery at this time of the year) the best price I can find over there is around $ 70 aus for 360 120 mg tablets. So you can see that un buffered forms a quite expensive. I'm going to give it a try as per my reasons in my previous post, but it definitely appears the cheaper forms content, is not what they appear to be. But as I previously said, the cheap magnesium citrate, is not buffered, has great absorption and bioavailability and those that can tolerate its laxative effect wont have any issues, its just the likes of me with a weak sensitive stomach, that needs to be cautious on what type and content I'm consuming. A great topic and one that probably is hugely debatable, but the consensus coming through about its importance is astonishing. Batch is a " trend setter " on this topic, as he has been beating the magnesium drum loud and clear for quite some time, we are lucky to have his input here on this forum......... colin |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by Callico on Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:07pm
Colin,
The Pure brand is the one I was talking about. I should have mentioned the brand. It claims to be 100%. |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by blacklab on Dec 31st, 2015 at 7:52pm
Hi Jerry, ok, sorry I'll search there properly and see if its better to buy there for my next order, thanks
and yes, its the pure brand here down under that I ordered here as well, I'll check out there prices, thanks colin |
Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by BarbaraD on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:56pm
Well something's working for me.. 2 years 3 months and counting.. My neuro is doing a happy dance (my primary doesn't have a clue - but I just go to him for accidents anyhow). I just get the magnesium at Wal-mart and whatever - it's working fine for me.
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Title: Re: Magnesium and the Anti-Inflammatory Regimen Post by anubis44 on Feb 5th, 2016 at 9:27pm
Magnesium used to be available in larger quantities in our soil, but with over-use of the same soil due to farming the same land over and over again, we've depleted the original supplies in most soils, and fertilizer rarely if ever contains any magnesium, so we've been getting less and less of it in our food. Makes perfect sense.
Going to see if increasing my magnesium intake based on the information in this thread allows me to reduce or even eliminate the requirement for Vimovo with my D3 regimen and still remain entirely CH-free. |
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