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Title: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 24th, 2015 at 2:17pm
Hello, my partner and I are new to all of this. He just had his first cluster headache and we found ourselves in ER, terrified he had a brain tumour. He had been suffering a slow buildup to the actual attack, which came on about 1am...so nothing they gave him the hospital worked. Codeine, tramadol, even oxygen (once they figured what it was). They sent us on our way with some more tramadol, ibprofen, and paracetemol. I did research and gave him a redbull with his tramadol dose and that was the first time his pain went down to about a 3. He's been hovering around a 2 - 5 pain level since.
My question is: it's been about 3 days now and he still has constant pain. From my understanding, these cluster headaches attack and then subside to no pain...but he hasn't been pain free in over 72 hours. We know the diagnosis is correct--he was tested for everything else and he has the telltale red, swollen watery eye and drippy nose on the side of the pain. The pain also seems to move from behind his eye to his neck area...but always there. Is this normal? Tramadol seems to take the edge off sometimes, and he hasn't gone back to the level 10 pain he felt last night...but it's worrying that he hasn't found any relief. Any advice or thoughts, please? Thank you. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by Mark Olson on Dec 24th, 2015 at 3:09pm
It doesn't sound like CH to me. It also doesn't sound like the ER docs know much about cluster headache. I suggest seeing a headache specialist.
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Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 25th, 2015 at 2:30am
Thank you all so much for your input. To answer your questions, we are located in Wellington, New Zealand. And no, they didn't do an MRI or CAT scan. They did check his responses as well as looked in his eyes. Checked vision, etc and all normal. The oxygen mask he was given had holes in it... So that may explain why it didn't work. And the painkillers are doing nothing for his pain at the moment. Maybe just taking the edge off.
So many symptoms he has match the cluster headache. Location of the pain (his eye, he said, felt like it was going to pop). The runny nose. The red, swollen, watery eye. But the pain has been constant... Does that make it sound like it's possibly something else? I'm feeling very scared. It being Xmas, we've come to see family in a rural area in Otago. I'm wondering if I should take him to ER again and demand an mri or cat scan? He is barely able to cope and is in bed all day. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by Mike NZ on Dec 25th, 2015 at 2:49am
Hi Beeebs
I'm in Auckland, so I'm very up to speed with how the NZ health system works. I've sent you a private message with info. Please read and get in touch. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 25th, 2015 at 2:54am
Mike--I see you are also from NZ! Are there any specialists you can recommend? I am just so scared now it may be something else and not a cluster headache. All symptoms match except the episodic part and the fact that he hasn't been pain free for so long. The worst part of it, the level 10 that woke him up at 1am and took us to ER...that lasted maybe a couple hours and then came down to a 5 or so. He received codeine, tramadol, oxygen (with the wrong kind of mask I know now), and an injection (started with an S...not sure what it was) and none of it touched the pain except for the injection which may have brought it down finally. The fact that his headache has been constant now is a horrible worry.
It being the holiday season, I'm worried that we won't be able to get the help we need and I'm terrified of leaving it too late. My worst fear is that it's a tumour or a aneurysm. But the ER doctor ruled out tumours or meningitis or a bleed. The pain is now behind his eye again and also in his neck. There is a band of tenderness from around his eye across his temple/ear area to his neck. The illustration of the location of the cluster headache seemed spot on to him. I so appreciate the help you all are giving me. I've been a bit of a wreck. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by Mike NZ on Dec 25th, 2015 at 4:14am
Hi Beebs
It was good talking to you. I've sent you via PM info on some Auckland based headache specialists and am trying to find some from your area. Any more questions, just ask. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by Hoppy on Dec 25th, 2015 at 4:44am
Hi beebs and welcome,
beebs wrote, He is barely able to cope and is in bed all day. I have my doubts they are cluster headaches he's suffering from, best to see a headache specialist as soon as possible. Hoppy |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by maz on Dec 25th, 2015 at 8:03pm
Hi beebs
I agree with what the others have said. There are many conditions where symptoms mimic CH, which is what makes "headaches" so difficult to diagnose. Betting the injection that started with S was sumatriptan. This is the the best med for aborting CH, but it's also for migraines amongst other things. If your partners pain has lasted 72 hours it's more likely to be a severe migraine. Another reason I say this is because there is no way he would stay in bed with a CH. You get a CH and you just cannot stay still. Ordinary painkillers will have no effect on CH, not even morphine. Saying it's a severe migraine is not a diagnosis of course, just a best guess. None of us can give you a diagnosis, which is vital in order to get the right treatment, as many "headache" conditions respond to different meds. Follow the others advice and see a specialist and ask for a scan just to rule out anything sinister. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 25th, 2015 at 11:27pm
Hi all, and thank you again for all your thoughts.
We went to ER again and got a CT scan--it came back normal. This is a relief, but it's going on the fourth day now and still pain. The injection he got three days ago was Stemetil...not Sumatriptan. At current ER they gave him a Voltaren suppository that made him super dopey, but he is still feeling pain. They prescribed Sumatriptan pills for tomorrow if needed. My question is--is it even safe to administer them and is it too late? My understanding is Sumatriptan is more of an abortive? The ER doctor insisted that he still thinks it's a cluster headache, even though I said my partner's symptoms don't exactly fit in the box. I just don't even know what to do anymore. I'll make an appointment with a headache specialist but how can I make him more comfortable in the meantime? Also--is Sumatriptan risky? It was scary reading about the possible fatal cardiac arrest side affects. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by maz on Dec 26th, 2015 at 4:40am
As Mike says, the tablets take too long to work to have much effect on CH. As long as there are no contra- indications you should ask for sumatriptan injections. They are so good and will knock out a CH in a few minutes. Presumably they will do the same for migraine although I don't suffer migraine, so don't know.
Some people have nasty side effects, but these are usually very transient, and the lesser of 2 evils. I'm 65, and a smoker, so not exactly the healthiest of people, but I must have used hundreds of them, and don't know how I would have survived without them. All you can do is try one (there was a first time for all of us) and see how it goes. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by Mike NZ on Dec 26th, 2015 at 1:59pm
The injections normally work just great for migraines, which is what they were originally developed for, with their use for CH being a bonus.
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Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 26th, 2015 at 2:41pm
Thank you thank you again for all the input.
It's day 5 and no change in his condition. The voltaren suppository knocked him out and made him dopey, then wore off and no change in his pain. He just looks broken. I'm looking now at another dose of voltaren today or some sumatriptan pills. I'm not sure which to give him. Both?? Thoughts? I also will try and get a neurologist appointment ASAP. I am now wondering if he may have status migrainous? CH seems more and more unlikely. There hasn't been another attack...just a contant severe pain. It being the holidays, it might be difficult to get an appointment though... |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by Mike NZ on Dec 26th, 2015 at 4:51pm
I'd be tempted to try both, with the sumatriptan first. If it will help, it is likely to do so after about 30 minutes or so as it takes a while to be absorbed. If it doesn't help after say an hour, then the voltaren, but do follow any instructions you've been given by the doctor as they will have his medical history.
If you try both at the same time and there is an improvement / change, you won't know which caused it. Status migrainosus is just a "normal" migraine which has lasted more than 72 hours. For getting an appointment, also ask about cancellations and ring back often, they'll soon get the idea that you really do want an appointment for him. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 27th, 2015 at 4:23am
Dark days are getting darker... It's almost day 6 with no change. The sumatriptan seemed to give a little relief...and then none at all. 100mgs of voltaren didn't touch the pain either. We are going back to ER tomorrow, and hopefully get a referral to a neurologist.
Hemicrania continua sounds like another very viable possibility, but it is a bit terrifying reading how so many people get temporary relief from the NSAID meds used to treat it, and then struggle with the awful GI side effects. I haven't come across any other possibilities of what this might be, however. I'm conscious of the fact that a lot of what I read in my google searches are worst case scenarios but it's still very hard. I want to be informed so I can request the best care, but I also worry about becoming paranoid. His eye is blood red on the side of the pain and he has been bed ridden since the 23rd of December. I am just hoping that a specialist will see him soon. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by maz on Dec 27th, 2015 at 5:13am
Can you get to a GP easily. If so, see if you can get a sumatriptan injection. The pills really are not much good and have never cured one of my "headaches", - too slow to act and not strong enough. If you can't get injections ask for the nasal spray. It's not as good as the injections, but better than tablets. Ask also for indomethicin (along with something to protect his stomach). If you can get both try the injection first, and if that doesn't work go on to the indo. But don't use them too close together or you won't know which (if either) is working. Indo has 100% success rate for hemicrania. but not the other conditions. Sumatriptan INJECTIONS have (almost) 100% success for CH and migraine, for those who can take it.
There are no tests for headache conditions (other than a scan to look for tumours) and diagnosis is entirely reliant on trial and elimination with the meds. Most GPs don't know about headaches and therefore don't know what to prescribe. If you tell him what you want, and he's willing to prescribe it, it could save a lot of pain while waiting to see a neuro. The neuro can then confirm diagnosis and refine the meds if necessary. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Dec 28th, 2015 at 3:01pm
Update: After another trip to ER yesterday we have a new diagnosis. A slight rash appeared overnight on his bloodshot eye and his forehead and the doctors immediately suspected ophthalmic shingles. They said it would explain the unrelenting pain and why it did not respond to any painkillers. Now his greatest risk is blindness but so far the doctors say he is okay. He is now on anti-virals and morphine and they seem to give some relief. The rash is a bit worse today, further confirming the diagnosis.
It's been a harrowing week, but I think we are now headed in the right direction for treatment. I just wanted to thank you all, however, from the bottom of my heart for all your help. Mike NZ, Batch, maz, Bob, everyone...thank you so much for taking time out of your holidays to respond and provide reassurance. Because of you, I was able to question the CH diagnosis (which we received twice) and keep persisting with getting my partner checked out. I am just in awe of this community and your daily courage, strength, and kindness. It isn't much, but I'll be sure to make a donation to Clusterbusters.org in an effort to give back to this community for the support you have shown us. THANK YOU!!! |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by maz on Dec 28th, 2015 at 4:55pm
You're welcome. We all know how devastating these undiagnosed pains can be - and how frightening - and how isolating.We come here because if we can provide five minutes of relief for one person it's worth it. We have all recieved the advice in our time, and in my case it was all I had, and most of us would do anything to help out someone else.
I'm so glad your partner is getting a little relief at last. Shingles makes sense - it was the first "diagnosis" I got, as it is the most common type of facial pain. I had 3 incorrect diagnoses before they got the right one, five years down the line. Even though you no longer feel it's CH, please let us know how he gets along. And if by any chance you question the diagnosis again, come back and talk some more. |
Title: Re: Partner has first cluster headache --need advice Post by beebs on Jan 1st, 2016 at 4:39pm
Happy new year, everyone! Thank you again for your replies. Just an update: my partner is doing well and his diagnosis definitely was on the right track. The rash got worse definitely pointing us in the direction of ophthalmic shingles--although it was a fairly mild rash overall, compared to the severity of his pain. He's still in pain, but it is being managed better now and the anti-virals seem to be speeding up recovery.
I hope you all had a lovely new years. |
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