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Title: allergy Post by eye eye on Jan 31st, 2016 at 6:16am
hi everyone can i suggest that all members have a allergy test done.it can be very useful.ive had clussters for 28years every year without fail.they allways started in march and lasted for 2 to 3 months.when i had my allergy test done birch pollen gave a big reaction 3to4 mm in size is a allergic reaction the birch pollen was 10mm and the other was mould aspri niger came in at 6mm.hence the connection to mass amounts of birch pollen starting in march and my headaches.i must add for the last 8years the headaches have not been in the birch season but rather in the mould season sept to end of feb.so give it a go have the test and see what comes up.there is somesort of pollen or spore present in the air for the whole 12 months in the uk.please post the results
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Title: Re: allergy Post by AussieBrian on Jan 31st, 2016 at 9:09pm
I've always associated CH with sneezles and won't be talked out of it. Dunno which causes which, perhaps they share a common cause, but there's an unquestionable link for this boy.
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Title: Re: allergy Post by BobG on Jan 31st, 2016 at 10:15pm
I agree with Brian. In my early 30 years of CH they would always be end of January to end of March. And August thru October. Both good seasons for molds, mildews, pollen. I don't know the mechanisms, why's or wherefores but there is a connection.
Modify to explain what I wrote above..... I didn't mean molds and such were a cause of CH, just there is a connection as a trigger. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Hoppy on Feb 1st, 2016 at 5:44am
Pollen and mould are known triggers for some folk, but not the cause of CH's.
Hoppy |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:00am
we wont know how the beast produces pain unless more research is done.i feel a allergic reaction causes this pain.when one has a serious nut allergy which could kill and they mistakenly eat nuts they are given adrenalin injection to counter it .i would like adrenalin to be used on ch suffers when they are in pain of the highest kip scale.does anyone see microspocic tubela see through worms in they vision when in a bout of ch
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Title: Re: allergy Post by Potter on Feb 1st, 2016 at 10:34am
It's a wonky hypothalamus not allergy's.
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Title: Re: allergy Post by Hoppy on Feb 1st, 2016 at 5:57pm
eye eye wrote, does anyone see microspocic tubela see through worms in they vision when in a bout of ch
Maybe those that have taken to much Psilocybin at one time or another [smiley=lolk.gif] Hoppy |
Title: Re: allergy Post by jon019 on Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:25pm
I got 'em...and ch....there aint no connection. Called "floaters"
Per wikipedia: Floater Floaters are deposits of various size, shape, consistency, refractive index, and motility within the eye's vitreous humour, which is normally transparent. At a young age, the vitreous is transparent, but as one ages, imperfections gradually develop. The common type of floater, which is present in most persons' eyes, is due to degenerative changes of the vitreous humour. The perception of floaters is known as myodesopsia, or less commonly as myodaeopsia, myiodeopsia, myiodesopsia. They are also called Muscae volitantes, or mouches volantes. Floaters are visible because of the shadows they cast on the retina or refraction of the light that passes through them, and can appear alone or together with several others in one's visual field. They may appear as spots, threads, or fragments of cobwebs, which float slowly before the observer's eyes. As these objects exist within the eye itself, they are not optical illusions but are entoptic phenomena. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Batch on Feb 1st, 2016 at 9:48pm
If anyone is interested, I'll be happy to provide my take on over 20 years experience combined with serious studies of all three medical conditions...
Take care, V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: allergy Post by thierry on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 12:01am
Yes please Batch,
I've had these "floaters" for as far back as I can remember. Including when i was a kid, That would be before i ever took any substance such as psylocibin or the likes :D |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:12am Batch wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 9:48pm:
hi batch please do it will be very interesting to read.thanks |
Title: Re: allergy Post by AussieBrian on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:41am
There's no known cause of CH, though a wonky hypothalamus is a suspect, but we all know too well that an individual hit or even a cycle can be triggered by environmental stuff beyond our control.
Pollens, perfume, petrol, pesticides, pepper, pot... I'm not the only one who knows sneezles are involved so there's every good reason to consider allergies as part of the equation. No one is suggesting it's a cause or cure, simply an an aspect to be considered. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:59am AussieBrian wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:41am:
yes i agree .we have to try and look at everything.thats why i wanted to know how many members have serious allergys .also the worm like objects look like a form of yeast infection in the eye called candida .can cause headaches and sinus pain.just a thought |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Mark Olson on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 12:25pm
I have plenty of allergies, and I have floaters. I have no correlation between floaters and CH, but I suspect there may be some correlation between my allergies and CH. I suspect Batch will say the allergies can lower your D3 levels making you more susceptible to CH.
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Title: Re: allergy Post by AussieBrian on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 12:48am
Onya, Batch. Knew we could rely on you and I'd like to say I understood every word of your very impressive research and writing, but this bit left me wondering...
Batch wrote on Feb 2nd, 2016 at 6:53pm:
Cheers and beers as always, Brian down under. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by AussieBrian on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 3:34am
Insulting tissue is one thing and I thank you for the explanation of a medical term I've never come across before.
Insulting organs is one of my hobbies and I'm no longer welcome at Hammond expositions nor any place where piano accordions may appear. It's unfair, I know, but I was only trying to save the world. The insult that's inexcusable, however, is what they tried to do your Bundy OP!!! Come the revolution things will be very, very different but I still reckon Eye Eye has the right of it with allergies and CH walking hand-in-hand. Free beer here, B. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Mike NZ on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 5:03am
Be careful with that Bundy Batch, it can evaporate very quickly, especially in good company.
It also reminds me to pick some up from duty free in Melbourne in a few days time before we head back to NZ. Getting back on topic, one thing that catches my attention is that when looking at the various pharmaceutical preventives there seems to be a pretty significant variation in how different people with CH respond to them. What works for one person doesn't for another. There also seems to be a few patterns around how CH starts. For some (not too often), it can start in childhood, for others there seems to be a peak around the 30s-40s, but there are also reports of it starting after a head trauma. Add into this that the diagnostic criteria for CH are around a set of symptoms which are not attributed to any other cause then there is a possibility that CH does not have a single cause but rather it could be several different underlying problems that manifest in the observed set of symptoms. This could also explain the different reactions to pharmaceuticals. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:57am
excellent post batch.very very helpful.your bang on with the drug companys unless they can make big bucks they are not interested.iam glad theres people like you and others who have taken the time to do reseach on this matter.i mentioned allergys because after seeing the swelling on my arm after a pin prick allergy test .i could see how if breathed in the allergens may well cause the same swelling in my head.immune system may well play a part or there might be a certain level that has to be accumelated before a ch bout begins.i say this because my last episode was dec 2013 to middle of feb 2014.i must say ive had 2 suiside attemps in the 28yrs of suffering ch's
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Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:21pm Hoppy wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 5:44am:
hi iam only interested in finding the triggers.the in's and out's dont interest me.if i can stop the bout begining than the cause doesnt matter one bit |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:30pm wrote on Feb 1st, 2016 at 10:34am:
your right the wonky hypo is where the pain comes from.but it does not regulate the tearing and runny or blocked nose on the side of the pain'or does it.i suggest the above two are caused when the body reconises allergens and secrites fluid to discharge them from the body before during and after an attack |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Potter on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:46pm eye eye wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 1:30pm:
You need to study a bit more grasshopper. The Hypothalamus controls and regulates the things that you don't. As in hungry,thirsty,gotta poop, temp., and it tells the body to increase blood flow which expands the veins which pisses off the trigeminal nerve thus cluster headaches. Potter |
Title: Re: allergy Post by thierry on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:42pm
Hey Batch,
This is the best piece i've ever read about CH, thank you so much for writing it. You have an art in explaining things in a way that is understandable and yet very detailed and deep. On another note, i was away abroad for the month of january in a very sunny place. I took all the regimen with me for the month including some loading doses in case i would need them. After a week of exposing myself to the sun A LOT and taking my regimen religiously as i do at home, I started to feel shadows. I really couldn't understand why this was happening as i was getting so much more D3 in the form of sunshine on top of the regimen. i even took a 50000iu dose that i let melt in the corner of my mouth. The shadows went up to kip 2 over 2 days before i made the connection with pollens. A lot of flowers were out, on trees, bushes, plants and fruits trees and bushes such as pineapples, coconuts, bananas... When riding my motorbike i could smell jasmine very strongly, sometime for as much as a mile of road, only to find out later that i was riding near fileds of it. Drove on roads through cotton fields too, chillies fields, sugar cane fields... Bougainvileas were out en masse too, right in front of the hut where we were staying for a while. So i remembered the posts here about first generation anti histamine and headed off to the pharmacy to get myself some benadryl. It came in the form of cough syrup but contained the important ingredient Diphenhydramine. I bought a bottle and started taking it at night before switching off the lamp or blowing off the candle, making sure i was getting 25mg of Diphenhydramine. I didn't want to take it in the morning as we were likely to go off on the Royal Enfield during the day and didn't want to feel drowsy. Sure enough, 2 days later, all pain went and shadows stopped, never came back :) Again Batch, thanks for your tremendous work. I can never thank you enough, nor can my children. All the best I'm trying to post a photo but it says " file too big". Not sure how to reduce it. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by thierry on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:56pm
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Title: Re: allergy Post by thierry on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 6:59pm
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Title: Re: allergy Post by Peter510 on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:34pm
Thierry,
I'm sick with envy. Glad you both had such a great time. Great to have you back. Take care, Peter. |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Hoppy on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:51pm
eye eye wrote, hi iam only interested in finding the triggers.the in's and out's dont interest me.if i can stop the bout begining than the cause doesnt matter one bit
I think you are contradicting yourself here according to your first post. You wrote, Birch and Mould trigger your CH's so you answered your own :question. I wrote earlier in the piece on this thread, Pollen and mould are known triggers for some folk, but not the cause of CH's. Hoppy |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 4th, 2016 at 8:39am Hoppy wrote on Feb 3rd, 2016 at 7:51pm:
yea thanks for the advice mate |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 4th, 2016 at 11:22am
guys of all the allergens we have mentioned we forgot the one thats ever present in our lives .the bleeder they call the dust mite we know that in some people this invisable bleeder can cause severe allegic reactions.i say this because during a bout i had in the past .i bought a spray to kill the mites in my bedding and also bought protective covers for the cleaned bedding .i had the first painfree nights sleep since the bout began.we cant see them with the naked eye .but we can google images of then.they poo is highly toxic to some people
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Title: Re: allergy Post by Batch on Feb 5th, 2016 at 1:43pm
Hey Eye Eye,
I've been a chronic CHer since 2004 and I've remained pain free on the anti-inflammatory regimen at a maintenance dose of 10,000 IU/day since I developed it in October of 2010... unless there's a major pollen fall. Last March, I came home from travel to find the Alder trees around our house had cut loose with a pollen fall that made it look like a dust storm. My black pickup looked like it had a bag of Portland cement dumped on it. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to ![]() ![]() Within minutes I started having obvious symptoms of an allergic reaction. The resulting histamine insult triggered a return of the beast a few hours later and it proceeded to jump ugly on me with round the clock attacks every two hours. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to ![]() ![]() My usual suggested solution of 50,000 IU/day loading doses of vitamin D3 proved fruitless until the clue bird made a low pass and my good idea light came on bright and flashing... START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to ![]() ![]() Treat The Allergy! After a little research on the pathogenesis of allergic rhinitis and the flood of histamine it triggers, I selected Benadryl (Diphenhydramine), a first generation antihistamine that passes through the blood brain barrier to block histamine H1 receptors on neurons throughout the brain. It worked. Within a couple hours, the allergy symptoms started to subside and the frequency and severity of the CH started dropping. Within 24 hours, I was again CH pain free. I've since added a one-week course of Benedryl (Diphenhydramine) or other first-generation antihistamines at 25 mg every 12 hours if CHers are getting hit and an allergic reaction is suspect. That suggestion also carries a warning not to drive as Benadryl will make people drowsy. If you do need to drive, take the Benadryl once you're home for the night. Take care and please keep us posted. V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: allergy Post by eye eye on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:20am
hi batch after the k10 i had couple of days ago.that evening after pain had gone i took 5000extra d3 and 300magnisiam extra i had a k3 at about 1.30am ended within 8mins with zomig naysal and oxygen.next morning i added 50mg of diphenhydramine in the form of nytol.and by god your right no pain whatso ever during the next 2 days.will keep you posted.your an angel of mercy and in my opinion the 1st person a ch sufferer should contact even before the neoroligist many thanks. sami
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Title: Re: allergy Post by Mike NZ on Feb 6th, 2016 at 7:05am
I totally agree about Batch being wonderful and a whole lot more, but the neuro / headache specialist is essential in getting someone diagnosed correctly. It is then that the CH community can help with our years of experience of CH.
Lots of us here are fans of D3 which has kept many of us CH pain free for multiple years (I've just gone over 4 years CH pain free). |
Title: Re: allergy Post by Batch on Feb 6th, 2016 at 5:55pm
Eye Eye,
Thank you for the kind words... and I know the wonderful feeling when you take something that prevents your CH. That said, Mike is correct, I'm not a physician or an nutritionist. I don't diagnose and I don't treat CH'ers... None of us here at CH.com do that. I provide data on effective methods of CH intervention for information purposes only. Once a CHer has a confirmed diagnosis of CH and hopefully ready to see his or her PCP for the 25(OH)D lab test and discuss the anti-inflammatory regimen, I'm all ears and ready to explain what I've been doing to prevent my chronic CH for the last 5 years. Bottom line... see your PCP or neurologist and keep them in the loop with what you're doing... This accomplishes two things... It helps spread the word on the effectiveness of this regimen among physicians... and it keeps me out of the clink. Take care, V/R, Batch |
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