Hi there,

I tried Homeopathy (alternative medicine). The doc. gave a couple of doses of Natrum Mur. and I think I am through with what I have been suffering for the last 20 years.

You just need a good doc. and then you too could join me. All the best.

Ram. :)

Hi Ram,

I really hope it works for you.  Best of luck.

Jeannie

A "good Homeopath" is an oxymoron.

How the hell can a homeopathic placebo "cure" a defective hypothalamus, that is the root of CH?

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"Natrum Mur" or Natrum Muriaticum" appears to be the lingo for table salt.  Sodium Chloride.

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Ram wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 8:48am:

You just need a good doc. and then you too could join me. All the best.

Awfully, awfully smug.

Why don't you write a book and make millions? If you have the cure, I'll buy it, thousands more will too, and you can ride off into the sunset.

George wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 9:38am:

"Natrum Mur" or Natrum Muriaticum" appears to be the lingo for table salt.  Sodium Chloride. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

Ok, I am strapped for cash, so I am trying to do my own homeopathy. I think I have the recipe:

1) dissolve 1 grain of salt in one gallon of pure water to make solution A.
2) dissolve 1 drop of solution A in one gallon pure water to make solution B.
3) Take 12 drops solution B, 3 times a day, or as needed (but being careful not to overdo it!)

I would buy a commercial homeopathic remedy, but all my money is tied up in magic bean futures.

monty wrote on Jul 9^th, 2008 at 3:54pm:

George wrote on Jul 9th, 2008 at 9:38am: "Natrum Mur" or Natrum Muriaticum" appears to be the lingo for table salt.  Sodium Chloride. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE Ok, I am strapped for cash, so I am trying to do my own homeopathy. I think I have the recipe: 1) dissolve 1 grain of salt in one gallon of pure water to make solution A. 2) dissolve 1 drop of solution A in one gallon pure water to make solution B. 3) Take 12 drops solution B, 3 times a day, or as needed (but being careful not to overdo it!) I would buy a commercial homeopathic remedy, but all my money is tied up in magic bean futures.

;D  Good one monty.

Ram, if table salt works for you, then great. But, it is not a cure for CH, as you said on the other board. There is no cure. Thanks anyway.

Be a little more specific here table Salt, or Sea Salt. Would Salt and Vineger Chips with Sour Cream work?. Or do you have to take it straight. After all its just a condiment, most of the time. [smiley=smokin.gif]

Dear All,

I appreciate your views/comments/thoughts etc..etc... If one looks at the history of evolution of man, and how mankind has progressed, it would not be surprising to note that there has always been more dissent than acceptance to anything new. So I am not all perturbed or angry or annoyed or anything else for that matter. I only see history repeating itself and some has rightly said..."what we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"..Ironical..isn't it? I worked for me, works for me and will work me..and I told you about it..take it or leave it...like they say...common sense is not common.. :)

Ram

Ram wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 6:28am:

...like they say...common sense is not common..

You're right, Ram.  I suggest you go looking for some.

Ram - is my description of homeopathic dilution accurate or not??

If not, please explain what a homeopathic dilution of salt involves.

If my description is accurate, please explain how in Sam Hill that would help someone with cluster headaches, or what ever it is that you went through for 20 years ... I noticed that you really didn't say that you had cluster headaches, merely that you had something.

monty wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 9:33am:

I noticed that you really didn't say that you had cluster headaches, merely that you had something.

Most likely cranio-rectal syndrome.

Brew,

Is cranio-rectal syndrome the same as having your head up your @ss?

Boo

There are only a few who understand my brand of humor. Consider yourself amongst them.

wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 10:02am:

monty wrote on Jul 10th, 2008 at 9:33am: I noticed that you really didn't say that you had cluster headaches, merely that you had something. Most likely cranio-rectal syndrome.

 He's a shit head.  Kin I be in your club Brew?

    Potter

F*** you, Potter. You've always bin in my club.

monty wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 9:33am:

Ram - is my description of homeopathic dilution accurate or not?? If not, please explain what a homeopathic dilution of salt involves.

It seems to involve excercise 14 or so of the Cub Scout handbook for earning a Bear badge -- making crystals on a string, and then the dilution process although I'm unfamiliar with "succusses".


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The homeopathic remedy is created by dissolving sodium chloride in hot, boiling water. The mixture is then filtered and crystallized through evaporation. The resulting substance is then dissolved in water and succussed to create the final preparation.

monty wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 9:33am:

If my description is accurate, please explain how in Sam Hill that would help someone with cluster headaches, or what ever it is that you went through for 20 years ... I noticed that you really didn't say that you had cluster headaches, merely that you had something.

Well, perhaps Ram has been stuck in this little phase of life for 20 years.  According to homeopathic uses...


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Natrum muriaticum is the homeopathic remedy commonly known as table salt or sodium chloride. General Use This remedy is frequently indicated in... awkward, pubescent girls who suffer from headaches and menstrual irregularities.  Nat. mur. children are frequently serious. They dislike excessive physical contact and hate to be teased. These children often have frightening dreams about being robbed.

Here's some features of the headache.


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The headaches typical of Nat. mur. are centered in the forehead and temples, although they may occur at the back of the head.  The eyes are sore and watery. The headache is worse from 10 A.M. to 3 P.M., after eating, light, noise, motion, mental strain, lying down, and during menstruation. It is often relieved by sweating.

Ram wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 6:28am:

I only see history repeating itself and some has rightly said..."what we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"

Hey, I earned my Bear badge, can still make salt crystals on a string, and still remember how to sweat.  



info from link in sister thread.

monty wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 9:33am:

Ram - is my description of homeopathic dilution accurate or not?? If not, please explain what a homeopathic dilution of salt involves. If my description is accurate, please explain how in Sam Hill that would help someone with cluster headaches, or what ever it is that you went through for 20 years ... I noticed that you really didn't say that you had cluster headaches, merely that you had something.

Appears that the dilution can result in not a single molecule of the diluted substance remaining in the "treatment."

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Somehow, the water is supposed to retain the "memory" of the substance, even if there's nothing there.  And this "memory" is somehow supposed to be curative.  

Well...whatever.  Common sense, indeed.   ::)

I have CH.

CH makes me cry.

Crying produces my tears.

Tears are salty.

I produce my own treatment.

I still have CH, ergo...

That treatment doesn't f'in work!

It's not just the salt.  
You also have to get some dihydrogen monoxide.  

The sodium chloride dihydrogen monoxide solution is amazing.

Ram,

I take it that you're PF right now. How long did have you been PF?

Sanna

Homeopathy is bullshit. Only very, very diluted. It's completely safe to drink.



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Hi Ram,
I am not going to tell you all that my fellow CH’ers mentioned,
I will try and stay serious, and professional and honest….. and
try to avoid any use of  “different” language.

I am a “new” CCH’er just over 2 years and 7 month, which
doesn’t qualify me as an expert, but it dose qualify me as a
knowledgeable sufferer, I would dear and say (humbly) very
knowledgeable sufferer….

In the “short” time I am in “harms way” with CH I have looked
searched, researched about CH from alternative treatments to strict
school medicine…….

Since I am part of this global “Village” -  just over 2 years and
6 month, I have seen persons come and go, with the questionable
statement – THEY HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT, they have the
answer we were all looking for……..

To dear and have such a claim – which is, by it self outrageous you
would need to support it with some sort of more detailed information,
rather than just “hanging” a parole……  
It is simply untrustworthy…. ridicules…..  and most of all insulting!

We are intelligent persons, on this virtual Village, with a vast amount
of accumulated know how, statements such as your statement are a direct
insult to our intelligence, and to our persona, and that is sad!

I would ask you to reconsider your post, I will listen, but only if there
is subtends and proof to your statement…….
And no hidden agenda, I dispraise persons pretending, offering a possible
“relief” out of there “own experience”, and then they offer (coincidently)
a link to a website that offers that product

Then I will turn abusive and will join the chorus, just lauder and without
choosing the words!

Michael

AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 2:55pm:

Homeopathy is bullshit. Only very, very diluted. It's completely safe to drink.

So it's safely diluted bullshit, or is that deluded, with a price tag.  Like hiring the tailors of the emperor's new clothes.

Here's some fairy tale history remembered.



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A claim of such pageantry!       or naked of treatment.

Homeopathy wont work for me I'm not gay Ü............. Ü
Terry

what ever  some people just cant take a joke and really are your friends that uptight that you dont think most of them would think its funny ?¿?
Oh well I said it and cant take it back so just chill out and forget about it if it is going to bother you so much. Terry

My gay friends would think that was funny, and laugh until their mascara ran down their cheeks :-*

Superdave

Hi there,

Thanks for everything but I feel sad....I know and understand how pissed off you all must be, and I too might have been before I was through with it (keeping my fingers crossed now), but then I felt I need to share how I came out of it....you may or may not get the same benefit out of the medication which I take, or you might need a different "salt"..yeah its all salt at the end of the day....the only difference is some are "common" and some are "uncommon"...any chemistry kid would tell you that...but then homeopathy & Ayurveda is the remedy for all ills. Believe it or not, thats what the world's going to turn to in the coming days and I wont keep quiet about it.... :)

Ram

"{[(but then homeopathy & Ayurveda is the remedy for all ills. Believe it or not, thats what the world's going to turn to in the coming days)]}"       


                                       "NOT"

I will keep taking the current meds I am on for my Chronic CH's they have been working for me over  5 years     Terry

Ram wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 12:23am:

but then homeopathy & Ayurveda is the remedy for all ills. Believe it or not, thats what the world's going to turn to in the coming days and I wont keep quiet about it.... :)

How dandy for you.

You might consider looking for a more receptive audience, however.  I don't think you're getting much traction with this one.

Ram wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 12:23am:

I wont keep quiet about it...

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The Emperor is naked! It's true!"      The Emperor realized that the people were right but could not admit to that. He though it better to continue the procession under the illusion that anyone who couldn't see his clothes was either stupid or incompetent. And he stood stiffly on his carriage, while behind him a page held his imaginary mantle.

The internet makes it easy.  Please, go on.  

The internet make it easier than just walking away for viewers, too.

Jeannie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 10:23am:

Brew, Is cranio-rectal syndrome the same as having your head up your @ss? Boo

Brew, I think that makes Jean your "Boo"

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I, Daniel R Peterson, talked to an old homeopath today. (He works for Boiron, one of the biggest Homeopathy companies in the world, but since he is a grandfather, he has not exactly gotten discouraged with the system over the years.) He didn't think it was odd to use the energy --not substance-- of salt as a curative, or at least a relief for pain. His best selling flu remedy (millions and millions and millions sold; can that many people be dead wrong?) is made out of duck's liver. Haven't we heard of bird flu? Maybe there is a salt imbalance in (us) CH sufferers.
Just because everyone else is saying or doing something doesn't make it right on. For instance, when I first arrrived here, everyone was suggesting fancy caffeine/power drink remedies. Instead I gave up ALL forms of caffeine--and got my sleep cycles better regulated: I used to be up late in the evening and the first up in the morning to do rosaries, etc... As people know there are questions about proper rest that are involved in the CH question. And how can one get less tense while pounding down the caffeine?

Daniel, if you believe that homeopathy can help - then give it a go and let the rest of us know the results. Still, energy drink etc help many of us with our hits.

Sanna

Homeopathic solutions are sold in Germany in drug stores-they make a lot of profit from them, which is the only reason that they are sold.  Homeopathy has never been proven to be effective and is about as effective as 18th century medicine (bleeding, purging, enemas).  I find it amazing that a hoax like homeopathy has lasted for over a hundred years even though it has been scientifically tested and has been shown to be a fraud.  Some people are so gullible (sp?).
Sandra

danielpeterson wrote on Jul 13^th, 2008 at 5:36pm:

I, Daniel R Peterson, talked to an old homeopath today. (He works for Boiron, one of the biggest Homeopathy companies in the world, but since he is a grandfather, he has not exactly gotten discouraged with the system over the years.) He didn't think it was odd to use the energy --not substance-- of salt as a curative, or at least a relief for pain. His best selling flu remedy (millions and millions and millions sold; can that many people be dead wrong?) is made out of duck's liver. Haven't we heard of bird flu? Maybe there is a salt imbalance in (us) CH sufferers. Just because everyone else is saying or doing something doesn't make it right on. For instance, when I first arrrived here, everyone was suggesting fancy caffeine/power drink remedies. Instead I gave up ALL forms of caffeine--and got my sleep cycles better regulated: I used to be up late in the evening and the first up in the morning to do rosaries, etc... As people know there are questions about proper rest that are involved in the CH question. And how can one get less tense while pounding down the caffeine?

    You gotta be duckin with me.

     Potter

Maybe I just need a new TFH too. Or perhaps that's why they took the Salmon quota away from us this year. All that Salt Water they're swimming in.
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seasonalboomer wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 10:04am:

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Boo is short for my original user name, BooHoo.  It seemed whiny so I changed it after seeing how brave that people around here are in dealing with CH.  Brew just  expressed that he liked that name better so I used it when replying to him.  



Jeannie

....something about the whole interchange reminded me of the Anderson Cooper/Donna Brazile "boo" moment on TV. If you haven't noticed some of my posts bring in obscure references... I'm no Dennis Miller but I do have a detached sense of reality.

Scott

seasonalboomer wrote on Jul 14^th, 2008 at 10:05am:

I'm no Dennis Miller but I do have a detached sense of reality.

Yeah, babe! (flicking hair, drumming pencil)

danielpeterson wrote on Jul 13^th, 2008 at 5:36pm:

He didn't think it was odd to use the energy --not substance-- of salt as a curative, or at least a relief for pain. <snip> Maybe there is a salt imbalance in (us) CH sufferers. <snip>

Pardon me for extracting these two nuggets from the dubious dredge tailings they were embedded in--but...

Are you serious?  What precisely (or even approximately--I ain't picky) is the "energy of salt", and how is this mystical phlogiston-like material supposed to be helpful?  Can we detect the "energy of salt"?  Measure it?  Weigh it?  See it?  Detect any sort of effect it might have on the rest of the world?

If not, then I submit that the "energy of salt" simply does not exist, and therefore can do nothing to correct a salt imbalance, or cure CH, or do anything else at all, for that matter.  Occam's razor.

I suppose that one might adopt any stray dog of a theory that comes wandering in if one were inclined to do so, but this particular mutt of a theory seems particularly unpromising.  There's no "there" there.

Best,

George  

George,
with the energy of salt the crackpots have finally discovered something useful.
Imagine, if we harness the energy of all the salt in the seven seas, there will never again be an energy crisis.



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I think therefore I am. If it works for you GREAT. I am hopeful but I believe the salt thing is in your head. It works for you ...you believe.
Do not expect other people to jump in the salt water with you.
Any treatment with 100% efficacy that works for all is still to be found.
Thats the facts.
thebb
Perhaps knowing the cause would be helpful. ::)

Hey  there AlienSpaceGuy,

I was just curious which planet the NOTH pole is on.  Do they also have salt on their planet? ;)

Jeannie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 10:23am:

Brew, Is cranio-rectal syndrome the same as having your head up your @ss? Boo

I think that's cranio-rectal inversion syndrome...

Shit for brains, but very, very diluted may be more accurate.  

I don't know if anyone has noticed this but if my salt intake goes up...so does the P A I N !

gore2424 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2008 at 7:08pm:

Homeopathy wont work for me I'm not gay Ü............. Ü Terry

But I AM gay!  So this means it will work for me?

WOOHOO!!!  Where is my salt shaker??

And to think that I could have stopped this 29 years ago with table salt!

Chuck - One happy camper, now that I know the cure!