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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Botox...thanks mom http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1219621598 Message started by angela.lambert on Aug 24th, 2008 at 7:46pm |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by vietvet2tours on Aug 24th, 2008 at 8:18pm
First resort should be oxygen.
Potter |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by DennisM1045 on Aug 24th, 2008 at 9:41pm
There have been a couple of threads on botox. I don't recall anyone claiming success with it. Just curiosity. Probably folks trying to figure out how to get the insurance company to fund their wrinkle removal ;)
To me it doesn't sound practical or cost effective and the patient population didn't include cluster sufferers. Other than that it's a great idea ;D I'm with Potter on this one. Oxygen is a better alternative. -Dennis- |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Bob_Johnson on Aug 25th, 2008 at 7:11am
J Neurol. 2004 Feb;251 Suppl 1:I19-30.
Botulinum toxin in the treatment of rare head and neck pain syndromes: a systematic review of the literature. Sycha T, Kranz G, Auff E, Schnider P. Department of Neurology, Division of Neurological Rehabilitation, University of Vienna, Austria. [90% of this abstract has been deleted because of the technical data ref. methods of study and data analysis. --Bob Johnson] REVIEWERS' CONCLUSIONS: There is convincing evidence for the effectiveness of BoNT in the treatment of pain associated with cervical dystonia. Due to the frequent adverse effects predominantly observed with higher doses, the trade off in risk and benefit should be carefully considered in each case. For all other rare head and neck pain syndromes we found no [randomized controlled trials for] (CLUSTER HEADACHE, chronic paroxysmal hemicrania, trigeminal neuralgia) and only a few small sized trials (cervicogenic headache, chronic neck pain, temporomandibular disorders). We were therefore unable to draw any definite conclusions. Publication Types: Review PMID: 14991339 [PubMed] ============== That the authors could not find reports about use in Cluster tells you a great deal. I look for reports from time to time and am not finding anything. A couple of early reports (3-4 years old) reported no benefit for CH although some benefit for migraine--but that inconsistent as well as being expensive & time consuming. |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by BrianJ on Aug 25th, 2008 at 8:43am
I dont know if it works or not but i aint gonna trust any site that says migraine is worse than CH, although migrains are painful and i hate them they are not even in the same legue as my CH apart from the fact they last for ages.
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Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Karla on Aug 25th, 2008 at 10:14am
I suffer from both migraines and ch and I have had several botox apointments. It stops the migraines but does not touch the ch. I would recomend you fight to get the oxygen and a good preventative such as verapamil or lithium than waste time trying to get insurance to pay for botox.
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Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Brew on Aug 25th, 2008 at 11:11am BrianJ wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 8:43am:
You might want to rethink comparing your own pain to that of others, playing the "I hurt worse than you do" game. Fuck that. Everybody's pain is real, and it hurts. So back off a little. You don't have a monopoly on pain. |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:38pm
Despite the condescending post from Brew, I agree with BrianJ.
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Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Brew on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:50pm AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 1:38pm:
The condescension was in the opposite direction, sir. Anyone who belittles the pain of another is, by definition, condescending. |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:52pm
Dear Guardian of Public Morals and Good Manners,
Please, tell me where and who did "belittles the pain of another"? If it was Brian, could you translate for me what he wrote between the lines? I call somebody condescending who from the height of his pedestal has the urge to judge the opinion of others, whether jokes are funny or not, etc. With kind regards, ASG [smiley=smokin.gif] |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Brew on Aug 25th, 2008 at 3:20pm AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:52pm:
I'll take the rest of your musings as a compliment. |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Brew on Aug 25th, 2008 at 3:59pm AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:52pm:
I assume that this is the joke to which you refer: Quote:
If you think that's funny, you are more twisted than I first surmised. |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Jean on Aug 25th, 2008 at 4:19pm
I have to say that joking about "shooting yourself in the head" due to a condition that Drs. have referred to as the "Suicide Headache" is not all that funny.
Just my opinion..................... Jeannie |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Aug 25th, 2008 at 8:25pm
If you think I found that "joke" funny, your chain of reasoning needs some untwisting.
Ya know, being twisted has its advantages too: When I'm dead there is no need for a grave digger, They can just screw me into the ground. But if you think my joke isn't funny, you can post that in your patronizing manner. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
Title: Re: Botox...thanks mom Post by Brew on Aug 25th, 2008 at 10:35pm AlienSpaceGuy wrote on Aug 25th, 2008 at 8:25pm:
Gladly. :-* |
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