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Message started by Linda_Howell on Jan 20th, 2011 at 2:59pm

Title: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Linda_Howell on Jan 20th, 2011 at 2:59pm
Our group has several thousand members scattered around the world and we look forward to offering you the support and help which has brought you to CH.COM.

While  we want to offer you the knowledge & experience which our common life with Cluster Headache has given us, let us share a few thoughts with you about how you can immediately help us to be the most effective in meeting your needs.

     1. Because the medical training, experience and skill level of physicians who treat complex headache disorder is so uneven in the U.S., much less in the rest of the world, we need to know where you live. Our diverse membership will be in a better position to identify local resources for you—physicians, specialty clinics, and so on—if we have this base line information.
     2. Then it would help us if you would give a grief history of your experience with disabling headache. A brief outlining of information such as these kinds of data would be most helpful:

           A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?

           B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

           C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

           D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?

           E. Do you have a good, basic understanding of Cluster and its treatment or do you want sources of  information about these complex disorders. (Because there are many dozens of kinds of headache, and treatment often erratic and lengthy, we would encourage you to start a headache diary.       3. On the main page is a series of buttons which you should explore. Also, read the many messages which are rolling over these pages. You will find yourself in the experience of others, learn from their experience, and appreciate that you are not alone—one of the great survival skills in coping with your headaches.

    Many times I have spent far too long in trying to get help to a newcomer because they didn't have their place of origin in their on-line profile.  Obviously we don't want your address but a city and state will be very helpful to us and ultimately to you.

Linda Howell, with help from Bob Johnson

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Linda_Howell on Feb 10th, 2011 at 7:58pm
110 newcomers have read this and yet...do not post where they are from.

We really want to help you guys and girls new to this.  If you put in your profile we'll be better able to do that.   Someone in the UK has different needs in order to get 02 for instance.

Someone in Texas, or Kentucky...or North Carolina may find that we know someone in YOUR general area that can help you get 02 FAST!

        Please put your location on your posts.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Diver Dave on Feb 21st, 2011 at 10:05am
I am forty one years old. I live in Lakeland FL. I had my first cluster cycle in July of 1988. I was eighteen. I was alone and scared and so I just dealt with it. I had two a day for two weeks. Two years later I was attending Florida Southern College and I had another cluster. I had no idea what the hell was happening. After a day or so I went to the ER. A young doctor there said, "You've got Cluster Headaches" and put me on O2. The O2 relieved the excruciating pain but then I was discharged with Furinol w/codeine, which did nothing but cause rebounds. But I had the knowledge I needed at that point. I still get them about every two years . Two a day unless I drink then that adds an extra one and the cycle lasts about two weeks. I have been to several doctors in the past but I do not tell them "I have clusters" I tell them my symptoms and signs. If they make the wrong diagnosis I get up and walk out. Once I told a General Practitioner that he was an idiot and had no business practicing medicine. Pain and lack of sleep makes me grumpy. Plus he was an idiot. He said I was having an allergic reaction. I am a SCUBA instructor so  I have an O2 kit. Sometimes I can get my tanks filled. I began taking cocaine....

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Batty on Feb 28th, 2011 at 11:36am
Hi Dave,
Bin the coke mate and get over to ClusterBusters (bottom link on the left pane) if you are still that desperate....
(hope not and we will try and do our best to get you so don't need that shit!)


Things have changed since then ('98), the recommended application of O2 now, 100% flow
and 25lpm with a non-re-breather mask..ideally with a demand vlv which you are familiar with....
Batch will probably chip in with his respected experience with O2..He is one of our 'Guru's' here!

Q.Thought you Guys only use compressed air?

Stick with us, we won't give up!

Respect

Gary

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by gruvedawg on Mar 6th, 2011 at 12:30am
First of all I'd like to say thanks to all of you for being here. It's really fantastic to find a supportive group of folks that know all about this monster. It was very daunting to come down with headaches that, 1: I dont really understand and 2: didn't, at the onset, think I would survive. It really seemed to me that anything that could possibly pack a wallop like that must be lethal or at the very least, permanently debilitating. I thought I was having an aneurysm or stroke or who knows what but I didn't think I would be getting up off the floor on my own steam....not ever.

My name is Brad. I'm 46, caucasian, work in Vietnam and live in Bali. I had my first real bout with cluster headaches in Singapore exactly 2 years ago. I was terrified when I got the first few. They lasted for a couple of hours each. They took my by storm, blasted me out of bed and had me writhing on the floor in a matter of minutes and left me just as fast...obviously a little worse for wear. I would have gone to the ER but couldn't imagine having to deal with ambulances, paramedics and doctors and the whole process of checking into a hospital alone in a foreign country. I seriously thought I was dying anyway and wanted to do it alone & on my own terms. When it was over I couldn't believe what had just happened. More to the point, I couldn't believe that I was OK again. Seriously??? WTF??? I found a neurologist that night on the internet and was waiting for him as his office opened the following morning. I told him that I'd just had a headache that hurt WAY more than a headache should. He took me onboard immediately and sent me for an MRI that revealed nothing unusual. After a bit of Q&A he told me I am suffering from cluster headaches. Until that very moment I had no idea that such a thing even existed. I was given a big bag of steroids and single shot self injection kits and sent on my merry way. The typical ruff-neck mentality in me never had any compassion for migrain sufferers and used to joke that it was all in their heads. Certainly wish I could take that back now. The headaches came twice a day for the next 6 weeks but the medication made them, let's say, just doable.

So what brings me here today, 2 years on, is to ask some advice on how to get thru the next round...with no medication and no oxygen. Nothing. Logistically speaking, I'm in a terrible situation. I'm the captain of an offshore drilling rig. I'm writing from the middle of the south china sea, miles off the coast of the mekong delta. I'm going to be here for 3 more weeks, like it or not. The very troubling thing is that last night at 2:00 am, for the first time in 2 years,  I got knocked out of bed by a cluster headache. What I gather from all the information out there is that this is not going away for a while and is only going to get worse.
I have some folks in Ho Chi Minh City combing the pharmacies for imitrex at the moment but so far they aren't having any luck and seemingly it is a controlled drug in Vietnam and not easy to get.

I'd like to know if there is any way to really mentally prepare for a cluster headache? Ive seen people have surgery with no anesthetic by simply getting themselves in the right frame of mind before the procedure, I believe thru meditation or self hypnosis. Does anyone out there know some of these techniques? Given that it's my only option at the moment, I'd sure like to think it's possible. 

Thanks again to all of you out there. Lovely to see people with this outrageous affliction networking and helping each other along.

With My Warmest Regards,
Brad Fitzgerald.

 

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 6th, 2011 at 9:15am
Since you're getting hit at night, see if you can score some melatonin. An over the counter sleep aid here in the states. Start with 9 mg about 30 minutes before you go to sleep. Helps many avoid the night time terrors. You may have to adjust dosing, give it a few nights.

Since you're on a drilling rig, I suspect you have some oxy acetelyne welding outfits somewhere on that rig. Use that oxygen. When you feel the attack starting, immediately start breathing pure 02. The key is to get nothing but pure oxygen to your lungs, preferably at a breathing rate high enough for hyper ventilation. I abort attacks in about 6-8 minutes that way. Use the welding rig for now, obviously do NOT turn on the acetylene, only the 02, and huff off of that.

Then read this link to learn various ways to set yourself up with 02. On or off cycle I have 6 E-Tanks in my garage so I'm NEVER withou 02.

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Have your buddies grab you some energy drinks, Monster, Rock Star, Red Bull, any containing caffiene and taurine. Chugged at the first sign of a hit many can abort or reduce the intensity of a hit.

Avoid alcohol, a very common trigger for many when on cycle. Go to a freezer when you're getting hit, sucking ice cold air thru the nostril on my affected side will reduce the intensity of my pain. In a pinch I've used the ac vents in my car with the ac on max. Ice packs on my neck and head help too.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by gruvedawg on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:02pm
Cheers Joe...you're a legend. Never considered the welding shop for O2. There's heaps there. Your last name isn't  McGyver is it? I've got a mate here that has some sleeping pils, not melatonin though...I think it's soma or something like that. Prescription stuff. We've got a huge walk in freezer in the galley that stays at minus 20. Lots of room to thrash around in there. The rig is dry, no booze out here even if I was inclined to neck a jar or 2. Appreciate the heads up on the trigger though Pal. Can't thank you enough for your reply. No doubt it's going to make the next few weeks way more tolerable. All the best to you Joe.
Brad.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by bejeeber on Mar 6th, 2011 at 8:44pm
Lucky that Joe piped in because yes he is a legend, and you got an earful of the best advice around!

I'm in agreement with the O2, freezing air and everything else mentioned.

Melatonin actually appears to do something to prevent the attacks for some people, unlike other sleeping pills.

If there's any delay with getting a proper mask for the O2, I can tell you I've aborted hits with freezing air before - just get in that freezer right at onset, breathe deeply, and you might even want to have ice cubes in your mouth - especially on the cluster side - while you're in there.

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You may also want  to check out the clusterbusters route if Rivea Corymbosa seeds for instance happen to be legal and obtainable there (they are legal to mail order and possess in The US, UK, etc.). Some people are knocking out entire episodes in this way with very short lived side effects.

Here are a couple links pertaining to that subject:
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Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by gruvedawg on Mar 6th, 2011 at 11:33pm
That's brilliant Bejeeber. Sure appreciate you for taking the time to chime in. The "alternative" approach might just be worth looking into as well. Mushrooms are actually legal in Bali.There's quite a few funky little shops that specialize in them. I'll give it a go when I get back there. Still another 2+ weeks at sea to get thru first. Thanks again for the advice mate. I'm feeling a lot more confident about facing this again since you lads dipped in for me. Cheers for that!!!
Brad.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 19th, 2011 at 5:47pm
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Stephen, I moved your intro down below to a new topic, "New member from New Zealand", more folks likely to see it there!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by flannaxx77 on Apr 26th, 2011 at 11:52pm
hi I am new to all this. I had a head injury last summer and a headache for most of the fall. Then about a week and a half ago I started getting this horrible pain on the right side of my head. On the third day I finally went to my family Dr. Who put me on all kinds of pain meds, muscle relaxers, anti nausea pills. None of it helped and the attacks kept coming. I thought I was going crazy. So I went back to see him the next day. I have now tried more pain meds and still nothing helped. So back to the dr again. Only this last visit he said it could be cluster headaches. And that is how I found this site. I had a ct scan today and am awaiting my results. I don't understand why this is happening. I am 34 and female from Iowa. I just want it to stop.

Well I just got back from my GP more frustrated than before he had me try a dose of maxalt. And it hasn't helped. I just don't understand why nothing is working. Tramadol makes me sleepy while I sit and hurt. Flexirill makes me nauseated so with it I have to take pheynigan. :(

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by anita b on Apr 29th, 2011 at 6:34pm
I am very grateful to have found this site. I'm in the early phase of a cluster cycle, so dread, fear, and a pretty good dose of self-pity are my current emotions. Still, I am so relieved to find a group of people who understand. Thank you for being here. 

I am an almost-40 year old mom living in Calgary, Alberta. I have 5 kids (3 are grown), a full time job, and many outside interests. Life is good 9 months of the year. The other 3 months are a hellish mash of pain, exhaustion and despair. As many of you know.

I've had clusters for maybe 10-12 years. Mine come every 48 hours between 12 and 2am. Like clockwork. They last 60-90 minutes. (I think. My husband would know better.) They intensify over a period of several weeks and peak for several more. During a cycle I am always aware of pain in one of my teeth. The pain recedes during the day, but never quite goes away. I can't even chew on that side at the height of the cycle. I've been to the dentist several times, but there is nothing wrong with the tooth.

I was diagnosed with clusters by my family doctor early on and prescribed oxygen. Sadly, oxygen does not work for me. I now have a different doctor who also diagnosed the condition. I've since had almost annual CAT scans (and almost wished they would show something tangible, just so I would know I wasn't a hypochondriac or crazy!) and tried many preventive medications such as Imitrex. They don't work either. I currently use over the counter nasal spray (suggested by another doctor) combined with Tylenol 3 or similar. I also use ice packs on the pain side. We even bought a recliner for me because lying down is impossible (another dumb idea. sitting still is impossible too). I don't think these things help much, as the pain subsides at its scheduled time whatever I do, but I continue to try them. If nothing else, the nasal spray helps relieves that one stuffy nostril. Interestingly, I had no headaches at all during my last pregnancy almost 8 years ago. If I didn't already have 5 kids (3 + 2 step kids), I would get pregnant again just to avoid the headaches!

One of my biggest concerns is the time I miss from work. I started a new job just before last year's cycle and had to miss several days. The days I did manage to work I dragged myself through, zombie-like, and was not very effective. This year I am with the same company but in a new position. I had to take today off, and the cycle is only beginning. The idea of missing too much work scares me. I am also a violinist, and I have several upcoming performances that I worry about preparing for or missing. And I am taking evening classes for work (what was I thinking???). Not being able to honor my commitments really sucks.

Man, do I babble on. Thanks again for being here. I look forward to getting to know you all.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by clusterhead2489 on May 15th, 2011 at 1:12pm
hello everyone..been suffering cluster headaches for 25 years now have only been diagnosed last year by a stand in doctor from india at my surgery he knew straight away what it was...where other doctors have fobbed me off with migraine..hav'nt had any meds apart from weak painkillers and anti-depressants..lol..cycle of headaches is every 2-3 years now and waiting for the next cycle now..as for work i've had 56 jobs all lost to cluster..1 girlfriend in that time shes now gone after 16 years..aint hanging around for the next session of pain..wish i could walk away too..no sign of docs reffering me to any special help they all think they are they can cure it themselves.glad i found this site bye for now x

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on May 18th, 2011 at 8:13am
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Loriann I moved your post down below to the "getting to know you" section......under "new to board" so more people would read it and respond!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Cayce on May 24th, 2011 at 8:11pm
Hi I live in Grant, FL. I was diagnosed with Clusters once in Horseheads NY buy my Family Doc in 97-98 (can't remember his name because I was only 10 or 11) and another time about a year ago by my family doctor here in Palm Bay FL because they didn't believe me and my boyfriend was worried and made me go during a cycle, His name is Dr. Lai. I have taken prednizone, maxalt, some mild stuff for high blood pressure, anit depressants, lore tabs (ect), and some other pain killer they had me take every morning when I woke up to prevent them that didn't work like everything else. I just heat up a hot/cold pack in the microwave or take a super hot shower, and maybe take some excedrine if I'm desperate enough even though I know it wont work.
I can't sleep, or eat when I have them. Lost 15 lbs during my last cycle because I was afraid if I ate the wrong thing another one would come, and I also worry that if I go back to sleep when I get one I will wake up with another. I can't do anything really except roll around on the bed or floor holding my eye and trying NOT to cry because it makes it worse. I've done sooo much research on these because I'm just waiting to see the one thing on Google that lists a cure or something. Everytime I go see the Doc about it they give me a list of sites to read through ect. so I'm in no way hurting for info about the topic. Just wanted to talk with someone who understood this cause people who don't have it, just don't get it and it drives me nuts sometimes.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by anzierL on Jun 4th, 2011 at 4:10am
Hi everyone I'm new here hope I'll enjoy my stay. ;D

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jun 4th, 2011 at 10:24am
Welcome to the board Anzier, I hope you have a LONG stay! When you get a second, tell us a bit about yourself, do you have a decent doc and treatment plan? Glad you found us.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by priscilla on Jun 4th, 2011 at 6:03pm
Hi everyone,

I am a grandmother of 11 grandchildren and I live about 15 miles North of London in a place called Hemel Hempstead. I have had these headaches for some 12 years, or maybe longer, but the present attack was much worse than  anything I had previously experienced. I saw a leading Neurologist who diagnosed 'cluster headache' he prescribed something called, sodium valproate'. It didn't help to ease the pain, it increased my appetite, so I stopped taking it. I find ice packs help to reduce  the intensity of the pain. Not practical outside the house.
I will try to get a prescription for the O2. I have started a course of acupuncture. No response after the first treatment. I'm glad I've found this site.
priscilla

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by BSmith on Jun 6th, 2011 at 1:50pm
Hello everyone,

I have been on this board as a "guest" for quite some time, but I "officially" joined last month.  There is so much good information here that I am so thankful that I found.  Here is the information requested about me.

           A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?
- Yes, I was diagnosed by my GP in 2008 and a Neuro in May 2011.  I was first diagnosed by my wife's uncle who is an ENT.  He told me what he thought, and after some research I realized he was correct.  This is how I was able to explain everything more clearly to my GP and Neuro.  The only other medical concern my GP has is I have slightly high cholesterol, but I do not have to take medication for it.

           B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.
- In 2008 after my GP diagnosed me, I was given oral Imitrex.  This did next to nothing to help, but one time it completely aborted the headache.  In 2009 I was given the nasal Imitrex, and this did a better job of helping my headaches.  In 2010 I was prescribed Oxygen, and this did wonders for me; however, the dosage was not correct, and after reading on here i was able to fix it.  This allowed the Oxygen to be more successful.  In 2011 I was prescribed the injectable Imitrex.  This was a God Send for me as it was the first time I felt a headache getting near the point of no return, and the medicine worked.  After 4 minutes all of the pain was gone.  I feel very lucky this is working so well for me.

           C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?
- I have not ever used or explored any alternative treatments.

           D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?
- The only limitation I face is when I am awoken by the beast.  The nights this happens, and the abortives do not work, then I will not be able to do anything the rest of the day.  Fortunately, with the physical symptoms we all experience during an attack, work understands my headaches and does not give me any grief if I have to stay home.  I have gotten quite a few at work, and usually I just stay until is passes using my Imitrex.


I hope this information is beneficial to everyone, and I look forward to becoming an active member of this community.

While I was not officially diagnosed until 2008, I have been suffering from these headaches since 2002.  The first diagnosis I had was they were just "stress" headaches.  I was so happy when they were finally appropriately diagnosed, and I learned it was not "my fault."  I was also then able to begin using the Imitrex and Oxygen.  Thanks for all the postings here, I have learned about different therapies.  My Neuro has stated that in the fall when my next cycle is scheduled to begin, that we will begin trying to start a preventative plan for meds.  I truly hope that works, as I would love nothing more than to not have to worry about this for two months in the fall. 

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Kaamila, I moved your post down below, under a new topic "Kaamila from the east coast" where more people will read and respond to it.

Joe

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Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by JaysSoreHead on Jun 29th, 2011 at 8:18pm
Hi my Name is Jason and I live in New Zealand, I have suffered these CH's for atleast 20 years.

A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?

I was diagnosed about 6weeks ago, but as posted above I believe I suffered them along time. I dont believe my previous doctor had a clue but heres hoping this one is more onto it.

           B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

I have used them all I believe.. from normal Panadol to Imigran and Topamax.. atm none of them are really working as good as I'd hoped the only really effective one is Maxalt Melt which helps (sometimes) with the ones I have during the day, I am still having trouble with ones I'm having early mornings or night ones :/

           C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

no I have not, but I am hoping to get my hands on Oxygen as I've heard it is good at chasing the beast away.

           D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?

I need them to go away as I am losing too much time out from work and from my Kids and Friends Family and especially my Wife who has been my rock in times like these, and who actually found this most excellent site.

I do have a limited understanding of what a ClusterHeadache is but surely am an expert on what they do, I am sure I will after reading here on this site that I will eventually get myself up to speed with the Beast. I hope to slay it someday. :)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by antonybunn on Jul 3rd, 2011 at 6:42pm

My name is Antony, I am a 36 year old man from the UK and have been getting CH's since I was 21, although I was having bad headaches on and off from when I was about 14.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was 24 after visiting the doctors a few times and receiving treatment for migraine - which did no good, pacing round my room at night clutching my head and screaming, actually believing I was dying - you all know this feeling I'm sure. It was a dentist that diagnosed the CH's - I made an appointment because I thought the pain might have been caused by a wisdom tooth.

Armed with my new diagnosis I made an appointment with my GP and found them to be next to useless. I explained to the doctor what I had, only for him/her to look it up in a book and on the web for a possible solution. This I find to be common practice each time I get a new doctor. I was first subscribed Sumatriptin tablets that I was told were very expensive and to go easy with them! I was taking 3 or 4 a day with each attack and eventually given a repeat prescription. My tactics then were to take them when I woke up and then every 4 hours until bedtime, this seemed to sort of work only catching me out every other day or so. I was also given Verapamil tablets.

My attacks have happened every 3 years either in summer or autumn.

During my last bout I tried sumatriptin in injectable form which I found to work amazingly fast but sadly only to delay the attack for 2-3 hours using up my daily allowance all too quickly. I was also given Pizotifen as a preventative measure. I used a combination of sumatriptin tablets, injections, Pizotifen 1.5mg and lots of water.

I have recently started to feel the 'shadows' which is pretty upsetting as this period of remission has lasted 4 years, I was starting to believe I had grown out of them.

Thanks for listening, who knows maybe we could help each other a little.

Antony

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Zenica on Jul 3rd, 2011 at 9:57pm
WARNING LONG POST!


JaysSoreHead wrote on Jun 29th, 2011 at 8:18pm:
A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?

B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support.


Hi Jason,

I'm Zenica,  I figured I should post my results here so that you can see what you can use in NZ and what I have found effective.

I live in Mt Wellington as a new resident.  I have only been in country for 9 months but I have a lot of past medical history from doctors in the states.
To answer your questions I will list them in the same order as asked at the top

A: Have I been diagnosed?  Yes and no,  in the states I was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue and Migraines by a neurologist in texas.  The migraines started when I was 15 after a week strong attack that eventually left me hospitalized when none of the medications could even touch the pain I was in.   I would class that week as a Kip 9 according to the cluster headache forum.  The reason I believe this original diagnosis was incorrect is that those headaches never completely stopped.  I have a conditional shadow (a low grade headache) and a series of spikes in pain each day with no breaks.  When I am not spiking I am still attacked by the shadow of the beast.

Migraines don't usually last for years  and they really don't come in daily strikes.  The reason the US doctors believed this was my condition was because the location of the pain was so radically different from CHs.  It was located in the upper back part of my skull for some reason.  I doubt this is "cluster related pain" but my final diagnosis of Clusters came about two years ago when I fractured the upper part of my eye socket.

After the accident my main headache became completely focused on that part of my head and behind the eye.  This should have gone away after the prednisone and eventual healing of the bone.  It didn't.  I still occasionally get the original migraine pain in the back of my head but now the main pain is the cluster attacks.

B: I have believed that I actually suffer from both diseases,  migraines and clusters and was actually told by my doctor that this is not only possible but is the reason I have not had any real help.  Having two conditions,  I need two forms of treatment.

Treatment for Migraines:  Tramadol occasionally 50mg,  ibuprofen standard dose, amitriptyline 100Mg daily  (ami is also used for preventative clusters).

I have tried every product available from the states as preventatives and so far I have either been allergic to some or found that they did not help combat the pain and damage from long term suffering.  I will instead note the new structure that I have found successful.


C:  Alternative treatment: for Clusters:  Several weeks long now, I forget exact date when I started it.  

Batch's Regime but with stuff you can get in NZ Below...  My Gp did not and still does not agree with the results that Batch worked on and believes that no one should take vitamins in such high doses.  I have taken consideration of his point and I still STRONGLY believe that Vitamins are the cure for me.

Here are the brands/doses that I take once a day with breakfast.

"Ethical Nutrients mega magnesium powder" which contains 300mg magnesium,  3.0 grams taurine (amino acid), 300mg Vit C, 67.6mg calcium, and 52mg potassium.  

"Cal-D by blackmores" which contains 600mg calcium and 500 IU Vitamin D3.

C:  Not really an alternative now... 100% Oxygen at 20ltrs per minute on non-rebreather mask.  I use O2 for spikes I can't control the normal way.

A kip 9 beast is killed in 6 minutes now with o2 but I am finding that after taking the mag powder and calcium I no longer have morning attacks and my evening attacks are much much less frequent and much less severe.

I attribute this new success on two things,  Magnesium,  Which is a well known deficiency that can cause extreme headaches and is also known to combat the signs of fatigue and stress.

and Two:  Taurine, which is found in Red Bull and Mother energy shots.  Taurine is very successful for me,  I drink one can of RB or Mother and One Spike is obliterated.   Taurine is known as a "booster" which helps make all of the vitamins stronger and easier for the body to absorb.

D:  I am a student at Auckland University.  My limitations may not quite be as "severe" as others,  perhaps only because I have a strong constitution for pain tolerance after years of suffering.  I also have a few people who do understand my condition and stand by me always.   I would never have got the courage to try the medical route again if not for those friends who love me so much that they take it upon themselves to look for the cure. 

My worst problem is simply that I am misunderstood.  In pain,  I still maintain that happy appearance that makes people believe I am fine even when I'm not. When I am really bad and can't contain it,  it is confusing to others... they are usually content to say "oh a migraine,  you need a dark room and to be still"  Any cluster sufferer would know that darkness and stillness are their worst enemy.

I wish that I could explain my state  (of always being in pain) and not look like a loon to those around me.  I believe if I let the public see inside they would probably lock me up.  I am not a junky or someone pretending to suffer for the attention,  I am simply a silent, but strong, pillar for support who occasionally wishes for someone else to take the load.




Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Heidi on Jul 8th, 2011 at 5:26am
Hello everyone, my name is Heidi, i'm 38 and have suffered with CH for 7 years. when I first started to experience symptoms my GP diagnosed me with neuralgia and gave me diclofenic and cocodomol which did nothing to help me. with each period of pains my symptons just got worse and episodes have lasted longer. I have been in this cycle now for 7 months. In April I was seen by a neurologist who finally diagnosed me with CH and started me on a corse of steroid treatment, it worked for a while but when the dose was reduced it became less effective, I did not want to continue with high doses so now I just take sumatriptan at the start of an attack, although it doesn't stop the pain completely it does stop it reaching the point where i'm punching my head in desperation. This has been my longest and most excrutiating cycle and I'm really hoping its going to end soon! Now that I have found this web site I know that I am not alone and hope to be able to communicate with others who know how harrowing this is to live with.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 8th, 2011 at 11:43am
Hello Heidi and welcome to the board. Read the first post in this topic, it explains how to tel us what area of the world your from in your profile, helps us direct you to the location appropriate resources.

Great that your doc knew about steroids....but we call them a transitional treatment. They are ONLY for short term use as they rip you up lng term. ideally he should have started you on a prevent med when you started the steroid taper, so as you went off the steroids the prevent would have taken over, Verapamil, Lithium and Topomax being 3 front runner prevents.

Read this link on oxygen. It's become incredibly popular as the first abortive of choice for CH, it's fast, as quick as 6 minutes, cheap, effective, no side effects, no "drug hangover" there's just nothing to dislike about it.:

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Then we need to get you directed to a Headache Specialist Neurologist. Your current treatment does not reflect a doctor knowledgeable in CH. That spells a lot of pain for you. Welcome to the board, I'm so glad you found us.

Joe


Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by redheadedclusterer on Jul 21st, 2011 at 7:55am
Hi My name is Amy, married mom of 3 kids, 42, very healthy and lead an active lifestyle, live in London, Ontario, Canada.  I have posted under the New Section and have received several terrific responses from Bob, Joe and others.  I'm trying to post so you see my location!  I would love any suggestions for Dr.'s in my area.  Toronto may be the best city for me and is only 2 hrs away.

Summary of my History:  I began my first CH in 1997 ( I was 28).  Terrible HA on left side of my face, radiating behind my eye, into my temble and upper jaw.  Woke me up from REM sleep in the dead of night consistently every night for about 2 weeks.  I thought I had a brain tumor and was sent for both a CT scan and subsequently and MRI.  Stopped cold one night but returned like clock work every 2 years in the fall until this June.  The demon struck me in July this year and lasted 23 days.

My Dr. has prescribed every narcotic in the book including percocets and Tylenol 3's.  He laughed at me when I asked for oxygen the first time.  I have landed in emerg with exhaustion and defeat over the last 3 cycles now.  Luckily, and emerg Dr. was more knowledgeable and hooked me up with o2 for this time around.  I have asked for and tried prednisone ( based on info from your site and a brief visit with a general neurologist after an emerg visit)....50 mg for 10 days but it does not seem to do anything for me.  I tried it again this June with no luck.

I also use Imitrex nasal spray which works wonderfully to abort in one min but only if I catch the HA early ( i clearly know the signs now...and it still most often wakes me from a dream) but Imitrex stops working about a week and a half into the cycle or after about 10 uses in a row daily.  I had great success with o2 this cycle as well to abort.  But found I was getting them every 2 hrs ....6 HA total over the course of the night for the last week.  Very little sleep. 

I am hoping to try Verapamil next time but need a Dr. who knows how to moniter/prescribe it. 

Thank you so much for your support.  This is such a wonderful site and I feel like I've found 1000 new friends. 

It also makes me very upset to learn that so many others suffer from this to a larger degree than myself.  I just ended a cluster and feel such relief that I wish I could share just a little bit to that to those who I read are suffering.

I would be interested in helping others in my area as well if I could find them.  It helps me to hear others experiences.  This is the best resource on this wacky disorder that I can find!

Amy

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by redheadedclusterer on Jul 21st, 2011 at 8:13am
Hi Zenica

I'm Amy, a new poster as well and just read your post.

First of all, my heart goes out to you for all that you have been through.  My clusters are relatively short (2-3 weeks) but it's enough to land me in emerg and know first hand what pain really is.  I also can relate to your comment about appearing "happy" until you can't anymore.  I just finished a 23 day cycle and because my HA attack me in my sleep (4-6 times/night), no one really sees me during one.  I have 3 kids and have to mother them during the day so I cannot afford to be in bed, crying over my condition.  Instead, i smile and try to explain to everyone the very large bags under my eyes.  Until, one night after a 4 hr HA that i did not catch in time (because i took a sleeping aid..ativan..and did not wake up in time to abort with o2), I spend a day in tears and could not speak to anyone.

I sometimes think they think this is a psychotic disorder!

Anyhow, I also wanted to thank you for your specific vitamin information.  I have heard a lot about magnesium for HA from a friend and will run out and buy my supplements today.  So glad you found something that works without side effects.

THis is a fabulous site for sharing information.  So glad you posted! 

Amy

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by muggins53 on Jul 27th, 2011 at 12:29pm
Hi, I live in Cape Coral, FL. 58yr old man, and have had CHRONIC CH's now for nearly 6 years. Like everyone else here, I had a pretty good idea from my own research on what my problem was, but after seeing 3 different nuero's and prescribed so many narcotics ("cause none of them had a clue), I reached out to the Cleveland Clinic in Westin, FL. Though the Dr. there wasn't well versed in CH's, she was pretty sure that is what I have and was the first Dr. to even mention O2. I immediately relayed this info to my personal Dr. who fortunetly prescribed the O2 and OMG what a shock. RELIEF!! I get generally 2 attacks a day..2:30 in the afternoon and around 8:00 in the evening. About 2 times a week I will get one around 1:00 am which will wake me up. O2 to the rescue! I am off all meds., have a O2 tank at home and in my office. I do drink Red Bull if I need to be away from my O2 for any length of time , as it does seem to lower the severity of an attack. Live as my wife and I knew it has totally changed since the onset of this horrible condition, and by the sound of it, even though mine has been a chronic condition, some are quite worse than mine. I wish everyone the best of luck, and will continue to relay any new info I can help with. Thanks to all for this great site!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 27th, 2011 at 4:01pm
Welcome to the board Muggins! Yeah, 02 has evened up the playing field for many of us! Glad to hear it's done the same for you. Keep reading on the boards, there's much more available to you then just oxygen. ;)

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by 3blocks on Jul 27th, 2011 at 11:54pm
Hello everyone,

35 year old male from Utah. My first cluster headache started December 21, 1997 and my second cluster occurred one year later to the day. My first episodes were 3-4 nights long and have grown in length with each consecutive episode. I am currently in the 9th week of my longest episode, and it seems that the depression usually amps up when the duration surpasses your previous record.

I was given verapamil by a general practitioner in 1998 and got the whole CT and MRI treatment that showed nothing abnormal. Around 2002, I went to a new doctor during an episode and was given samples of Imitrex and Amerge. Imitrex made me incredibly nauseous, so he prescribed the Amerge. My insurance would only approve 6 pills per month (a 6 day supply for CH), so I switched back to 100mg tablets of Imitrex so that I could cut them up to make them last longer. I started hoarding imitrex tablets after they went generic.

I was finally diagnosed with CH in 2005 by a Neurologist who also started me on Periactin (Cyproheptadine) as a preventantive. This increased my periods of remission from 9-12 months to 1.5-2 years. After the diagnosis, I did some research and asked my regular physician about using oxygen. After a quick google search, he wrote a prescription for O2 at 11 lpm through a mask. That night the oxygen supplier showed up with a regulator that only went to 8 lpm and a supply of cannulas. Because of this, oxygen wasn't working for me. I began researching more thoroughly and bought my own regulator that went to 15 lpm and a few non-rebreather masks on Amazon. I went from barely being able to function during episodes to a least being rested enough to make it to work every day.

I consider myself a seasoned veteran of cluster headaches at this point. I'm glad that I've found this community where a vast amount of knowledge has been gathered to help others, hopefully before they've suffered for years.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 28th, 2011 at 9:05am
Welcome to the board!

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Take a second and read this link, just to make sure you're getting maximum benefit from your oxygen.

Then check out our siter site, alternative methods to dealing with the beast.

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Finally, talk to your doc about trying this med. Cheap and faster acting then the oral imitrex is.

And after you recover from reading the price list you'll understand why I encourage folks to try this one (at abaout $3/dose and nearly as fast acting):
Headache 2001 Sep;41(8):813-6 

Olanzapine as an Abortive Agent for Cluster Headache.

Rozen TD.

Department of Neurology, Jefferson Headache Center/Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pa.

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate olanzapine as a cluster headache abortive agent in an open-label trial. BACKGROUND: Cluster headache is the most painful headache syndrome known. There are very few recognized abortive therapies for cluster headache and fewer for patients who have contraindications to vasoconstrictive drugs. METHODS: Olanzapine was given as an abortive agent to five patients with cluster headache in an open-label trial. THE INITIAL OLANZAPINE DOSE WAS 5 MG, AND THE DOSE WAS INCREASED TO 10 MG IF THERE WAS NO PAIN RELIEF. THE DOSAGE WAS DECREASED TO 2.5 MG IF THE 5-MG DOSE WAS EFFECTIVE BUT CAUSED ADVERSE EFFECTS. To be included in the study, each patient had to treat at least two attacks with either an effective dose or the highest tolerated dose. RESULTS: Five patients completed the investigation (four men, one woman; four with chronic cluster, one with episodic cluster). Olanzapine reduced cluster pain by at least 80% in four of five patients, and TWO PATIENTS BECAME HEADACHE-FREE AFTER TAKING THE DRUG. Olanzapine typically alleviated pain within 20 minutes after oral dosing and treatment response was consistent across multiple treated attacks. The only adverse event was sleepiness. CONCLUSIONS: Olanzapine appears to be a good abortive agent for cluster headache. IT ALLEVIATES PAIN QUICKLY AND HAS A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS MULTIPLE TREATED ATTACKS. IT APPEARS TO WORK IN BOTH EPISODIC AND CHRONIC CLUSTER HEADACHE.

PMID 11576207 PubMed

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Olanzapine has a brand name of "Zyprexa" and is a antipsychotic. Don't be put off by this primary usage. Several of the drugs used to treat CH are cross over applications, that is, drugs approved by the FDA for one purpose which are found to be effective with unrelated conditions--BJ.


Joe


Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by sleepwalker on Jul 31st, 2011 at 1:09pm
hi all new guy here not to ch im 27 irish guy rite in te middle of a bout just now i got dignosed 1 year ago have had about four series of attacks but this one has being bad thats why im here
              i know that its ch i have but my family fecon i need a scan is that common with any one else

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Pandora on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 10:00am
Hi, I just stumbled upon this site while looking for answers - glad I've already found some.

           A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?

I started having pounding headaches around September 2010, and, as probably most of you have, went through a series of exams, including CT scans. Until then I never had any serious medical conditions, and had been living in Europe for several years (moved from Austin, TX). It wasn't until recently that i was diagnosed with cluster headaches; it took three doctors to find out what the problem was.

           B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

I was prescribed painkillers: milder, codeine-based for lighter attacks, and Imigran (GSK) for the worst ones. The latter is quite expensive but works wonders, even though it was initially designed to alleviate migraine related pain.
I try to limit the intake of painkillers tho, not an easy task but sometimes when the pain isn't piercing, I wait for it to go away on its own.

           C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

Massage helps, so does accupressure but mainly as stress relief.

           D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?

The days when it's bad, I can't work - and my job requires me to be at full attention all the time (I'm running a busy translations office). Sometyimes I will take a pill and go lie down for an hour - I have recently hired an assisstant to help me round as I can't seem to be able to be as efficient as I used to. It really pisses me off when I have to ask my boyfriend to take me home mid-party/social gathering/whatever because of the pain. He's supportive but I'm starting to be afraid whether he really is prepared for living with a clusterhead  :(

           E. Do you have a good, basic understanding of Cluster and its treatment or do you want sources of  information about these complex disorders.

Due to medical background, I was able to accumulate a lot of useful information on cluster headaches; recently, I translated a series of articles for GSK R&D - but it will be great to read personal stories as well!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 10:09am
Welcome to the board, you'll find the pain killers next to wrothless to treat CH, the fact the doc even prescribed them indicates they know next to nothing about CH.  Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Sherrilynn hickman on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 2:13pm
Hi I`m from canada and have been suffering with chronic cluster headaches for 13 years. With very little break in between getting them, the most is week so I`ve had a week of no pain for 13 years. I am now 25 years old. Ive had many mri scans done along with different meds tomany to name but doctors have said they werent sure what it was then said cluster. I know very little about cluster headaches but any info you guys may have would be great. I am truly sick of having these headaches everyday all day for basically 13 years. thanks for this site :)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 2nd, 2011 at 5:58pm
Read my posting just above yours......it lays out a beginning approach to treating cluster headaches. Then just start reading EVERYTHING on this board! Welcome home.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Anne N. on Aug 10th, 2011 at 1:28am
Hello, all:

My name is Anne, and I live in Arkansas, USA.  I'm 48.  I've just had the second cluster-or what I think is a cluster-within the last six months. 

I've had migraines (diagnosed) since I was 19.  That's a different headache.  I need total quiet, dark and absolutely no movement.  I have an aura that looks like a disco ball behind my eyes, or those old-time home movies with the flashing white dots at the end of a reel.  The pain, when or if it comes, can last for hours.  Migraine medicine over the counter can touch it.

The cluster is different.  I wake up at silly o'clock just knowing something's going wrong, and within a minute or so, I'm right.  The pain drives me out of bed, lurching around like a drunk.  The pain is all on one side, like the Jolly Green Giant jumping on an icepick in my right eye.  Pain medicine like that for the migraines doesn't help, and I usually am not able to get it together enough to find it.  Then-in about 25 minutes or so-gone, abruptly.  I do feel exhausted afterwards, and sometimes tender on that side.

"Fortunately", they only seem to happen at night, else I'd be afraid to drive or go to work.  They also don't happen all the time-mostly during high humidity, of all things.  I also wonder if they are connected to hormones or menopause, like some migraines.

I've been dealing with it myself, but I think I should see a doctor about it.  I'm also relieved to find other women sufferers here, as it seems to be mostly in men.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 10th, 2011 at 8:59am
Yeah in the old days they called it primarily a mens disease, and all women were diagnosed with migrains! Fortunately we're getting the word out, as you'll see on this board, there are a LOT of women with CH.

That being said, get thee to a "Headache Specialist Neurologist." GP's get a couple of hours training in doctor school on ALL headache types. Garden variety neuro's don't get much more. A headache specialist neurologist is your best bet at an accurate diagnosis, and an effective treatment regimen. Please let us know how it goes. If it is CH, DO NOT lose this website, it'll be your new second home. :)

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by evie on Aug 13th, 2011 at 3:27pm
hi
my names angie im 37 years old i live in pontefract in england UK i started with clusters when i was 21 although i thought they were migraines at the time due to mis diagnosis so i have been on everything headache tablets beta blockers sinus sprays etc none of which touched the sides it was only with my persistence of going back to the docs that i was finally diagnosed with clusters first my gp suspected he then sent me to a specialist who did a series of tests and recommended treatments for me i then went back to my gp who prescribed me with verapamil predisone steroids imigran tablets and a list of god knows what else it was only when i was admitted to A&E screaming in agony because i had a cluster for 8 painful hours that i was finally given sumatriptan injection within 10 minutes my cluster just disappeared fantastic finally something that worked no more screaming my head off at 2 in the morning writhing round the floor pulling my hair out and asking god to forgive me for whatever terrible sins i must have commited so i have been on the injections for about 3 years now i have noticed a change in the pattern of clusters since i started on the injections instead of 1 or 2 in the early hours for up to 3 months at a time i now get 4 to 6 a day but they only last a couple of weeks i have just started to take melatonin on a night before bed i heard this helps no change so far but its still early days i am having a bout of clusters at the moment so feeling shitty at the mo tried to walk the dog today and had to race back for an injection  :'( had to ring in sick at work dont know when i will be well enough to go back if it wasnt for my husband i just wouldnt be able to cope he is amazing he really helps out cooking and looking after the kids i have had these clusters now for 16 years i dont think they will ever go the only time ive had any peace was when i was pregnant i was cluster free for the whole 9 months heaven  ;D i do worry about the amount of injections i take though but i cant see any alternative  :'(thanks for listening and i think this site is amazing
angie x

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 13th, 2011 at 3:39pm
Welcome to the board Angie, read this link for an alternative to imitrex. I can abort in about 6-8 minutes with oxygen, almost as fast as trex, much cheaper, no lingering side affects, worth a shot!

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Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by martian on Aug 15th, 2011 at 2:54am
Hi, I am Martin, 41 live in leeds UK and had CH since 13 years old. Finally got a diagnosis in 1991 after a lot of personal research. Episodes used to be every 12 months, however, as time has gone by this has pushed to every 24 months. Lucky me!
360mg Verapamil, oxy and the sumatriptan injections get me through these days, and to be honest its much easier than it was in the 80's and 90's. Bouts last about 8 weeks and generally come late Summer to Christmas. Its ruined a few of those btw. Got two kids, a very understanding Wife and the National health system , so truth is I count my self lucky.  ;) ;) Martin

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by iain.m. on Aug 17th, 2011 at 4:23pm
hi, my names iain and i live in bedfordshire in england.

i'm 39 and although i've had these headaches for the last 8 years, i've only just been diagnosed as having clusters by the senior gp at the local clinic.

i'm now on verapamil, which have helped reduce the number of attacks, but they can still be as intense as ever, sometimes lasting days if not weeks.

this may sound strange, but even though i hate the pain, and fear it's return more than anything, sometimes between attacks, i miss the pain?? is this just me finally losing the plot or does anyone else feel this?  :D



Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Brew on Aug 17th, 2011 at 4:45pm
Sorry, Iain. I never miss the pain.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by jon019 on Aug 17th, 2011 at 7:50pm

iain.m. wrote on Aug 17th, 2011 at 4:23pm:
this may sound strange, but even though i hate the pain, and fear it's return more than anything, sometimes between attacks, i miss the pain?? is this just me finally losing the plot or does anyone else feel this?  :D



...go back to your doc...he got it wrong...you don't have ch.....

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Aug 18th, 2011 at 9:37am
Hi iain - instead of relying on a GP for a diagnosis like this, I strongly suggest you see a neurologist with a big preference for one who specializes in headaches. There are many, many headache types and it's something that even normal neurologists get little training in. I'd certainly never rely on a GP for this.

Cluster headaches typically last between 15 minutes and 2 hours (with exceptions), so this does not fit with one lasting days or weeks.

However we are not medical doctors, so you need to see an expert to get the correct diagnosis.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by GaryW3401 on Aug 19th, 2011 at 8:10pm

Linda_Howell wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
Our group has several thousand members scattered around the world and we look forward to offering you the support and help which has brought you to CH.COM.

While  we want to offer you the knowledge & experience which our common life with Cluster Headache has given us, let us share a few thoughts with you about how you can immediately help us to be the most effective in meeting your needs.

     1. Because the medical training, experience and skill level of physicians who treat complex headache disorder is so uneven in the U.S., much less in the rest of the world, we need to know where you live. Our diverse membership will be in a better position to identify local resources for you—physicians, specialty clinics, and so on—if we have this base line information.
     2. Then it would help us if you would give a grief history of your experience with disabling headache. A brief outlining of information such as these kinds of data would be most helpful:

           A. Have you been diagnosed with Cluster?; when?, by whom (doc’s specialty). Are there any other medical problems which concern your doctor?

           B. What treatments have you used, or are now using? Med, dosing, duration of each, your judgment of the usefulness.

           C. Have you used or explored any alternative treatments (and ditto)?

           D. Give a brief picture of the degree of limitations you face because of the headache and any social complications which they cause. How is your social support?

           E. Do you have a good, basic understanding of Cluster and its treatment or do you want sources of  information about these complex disorders. (Because there are many dozens of kinds of headache, and treatment often erratic and lengthy, we would encourage you to start a headache diary.       3. On the main page is a series of buttons which you should explore. Also, read the many messages which are rolling over these pages. You will find yourself in the experience of others, learn from their experience, and appreciate that you are not alone—one of the great survival skills in coping with your headaches.

    Many times I have spent far too long in trying to get help to a newcomer because they didn't have their place of origin in their on-line profile.  Obviously we don't want your address but a city and state will be very helpful to us and ultimately to you.

Linda Howell, with help from Bob Johnson


I'm Gary and I live in Barboursville VA, about 30mn out from UVA hospital. I have yet to be officially diagnosed with CH. No one around here seems to have any idea what they are or how to treat them. Although I've been on some preventative meds before, I am now without any preventative or abortive medicines. I've been in debilitating pain for 10 days now. Unable to sleep, eat, or even cry. I've been to the ER 4 times and my regular doctor 3 times in the past 10 days. All the hospital will do is give me narcotics and send me on my way. Today my doctor officially threw their hands up at me. They actually blamed me for leaving the hospital after being there for over 7hrs and 4mg of dilaudid. They said I shouldn't have left if the pain was still there. The thing of it is, the pain had mostly went away after the narcotics but of course came back with a vengeance after the narcotics wore off. These headaches are ruining my life. I can't go outside because of the bright sun. I can't even take out the trash or mow the lawn. I'm permanently disabled due to extreme panic disorder so I don't have to worry about missing work. Which is about the only good thing going for me right now. For me, all this is new. I've had off and on headaches most of my life and just assumed they were typical migraines. I know now that I do indeed suffer from CH. I can't get any help for them though. I've called every doctor that I can get a number for and the soonest that I can be seen is nearly a month away. I can NOT last that long. Kip scale has been 10/10 for 10 straight days. I just can't continue on like this. I have to have some type of help. I'm lost in a world of debilitating pain and have no clue as to how to get out. I'm hoping I will find some answers here but right now I'm completely hopeless. I no longer know what to do or how to handle this. Because I'm bipolar, thinking of suicide as a solution has always been a problem for me. I don't want to die, I just want to be pain free. I'll do anything to get rid of this pain but I have run out of ideas on how to accomplish that. I have a friend who is trying to track down a supply of o2 for me but he doesn't have much faith (nor I) that anything will come from his search. I'm in so much pain that I've been throwing up all day and night for the past several days. The only medicine that seems to work on me is maxalt, which is not covered under my insurance and is like $350 per prescription. I can't afford that. I'd pay that if I had it but I just don't. I'm just a poor ole southern boy who's on permanent disability. I don't know if anything will come from this post. I mainly just wanted to vent. Thank you for reading.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by KevinC on Aug 19th, 2011 at 8:24pm
Hello all. My name is Kevin Cummings from Leesburg Virginia. I am a virgin to the cluster headache club. But let me tell you I am Fuc$%@# tired of it already!!!! I have been suffering with them for a month now and im so sick of it. I found this website today and I am so glad I did. I have been to 6 DRs this month trying to figure it out and it is driving me nutz!!! They have me trying so many meds my liver is telling me i am an not a very nice person.. The one I am on noe is Topomax and Imitrex 100mg pill and it seems to be helping a LITTLE.. I have noticed that they are coming on like clockwork so i can pan for the ones in the evenings but the ones that wake me up are the killers!!!!! I want to thank you all for your posts and im glad I found some people I can relate to!!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 19th, 2011 at 11:17pm
Welcome to the board Kevin. Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following, although many end up calling it "dopey-max" as a common side effect is it makes many kind of loopy!  ;) Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers. So while the pills might be helping a little, you'll find the injectables and even the nasal spray are FAR superior in speed and effectiveness. 

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

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Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by KevinC on Aug 20th, 2011 at 10:02am
Joe
yes I have been to a Nero and he does NOT do the O2 treatment. I am in the process now of finding one in my area that does it. He does have me on Imitrex 100mg pills and the Topomax. I am on my 3rd week of the topo so I am not up to the full dose yet. I am taking one in the am and 2 in the evening. To tell you the truth it really dosent seem to be helping at all. From what it sounds like o2 is the way to go so I hope to be on that this week. I HOPE.. Not sure if you have any experance with the topomax but I have a quick question for you. If you dont take it at the same time every day is that a problem? I usually take it at 7 everyday and today I slept till 8 and was woke to a CH. Any idea if that is from missing my meds by a hour? Thanks again for all of your help.. You guys are a life saver!!!!!!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 20th, 2011 at 10:07am
I've never used topomax, so no help for you there. Print out the oxygen info from this board and take it to your doctors visit. It even has the wording for the prescription. Oxygen will sure change your view on Mr. Beasty!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by bhb on Aug 24th, 2011 at 11:43am
This is just a thank you to all the home remedies, the ones that don’t need a doctor to get a prescription. For the last 3 years I haven’t been able to go to my headache doctor as the company I work for had to give up the health plan and other things to stay in business.

For two years of bouts I’ve was back to the old days of just trying to get through them and wait for them to end. I’ve had them for the last 36 years and it was 7 years ago I found a doctor who gave me the correct diagnosis and started some different treatments to try and find one that worked. Except for imitrex none of them were very effective and they didn’t even want to try verapamil as I have low BP. The one thing I found that gave some relief was when I accidently broke a toe while pacing to get rid of one, the pain from my toe somewhat mitigated the pain in my head. After that I’d try to concentrate on my toes and just create some pain from bending them up, I’m not telling anyone to do damage to their toes just some discomfort. I found your site doing a search on CH and I’ve been reading all the different things I could do on my own and I’ve found some relief with the D3 and fish oil. I just tried the Red Bull last night and that with sticking my head in the freezer I was down to just a half hour it was wonderful as they generally last for 5 – 6 hours.

So this is a THANK YOU for all the info on things I can do without a doctor.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 24th, 2011 at 2:38pm
If you haven't already done so, please take some time and read this link.

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You can build your own set up with welding oxygen without a prescription. I went from 90 minute to 2 hour hits, to 6-8 minute aborts with oxygen. It's awesome! Glad you stuck your head in, welcome.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by bhb on Aug 24th, 2011 at 3:34pm
thanks i know just where to get welding supplies and i didn't even think about the o2 from there.


Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by rock on Aug 26th, 2011 at 9:26am
Hi, name is Jim, 65 yr old, white male, 1st aquaintance with the Beast was in 1996 and Army Docs had NO idea what was going on! Twice daily Beast visits @ 0100 and 0900, affecting right side of head, down to teeth and neck. Treated with same meds as wife's migraines, Imitrex; worked, but took about an hour to take effect. Third year finally found Migranol (inhailant) and worked wonderfully, within one-half hour!  Remission for 1999/2000, then He came back in 2001 & 2002, went away again until 2004 and that was when my Neuro introduced me to O2 treatment (also gave me script for Migranol) at 10L for 20 min; and for last episodes in 2005 I tried just the O2 successfully.  Beast went away until 2011, Aug 5 at 0300!  Took wife's Maxalt and went to VA ER on SAT morn to try and get Migranol script.  Got script for Imitrex injectors, and while waiting to have script filled began getting another visit from the Beast!  So, went back to ER, where they gave me O2, and an Imitrex injection.  Went home, and at 2300, the Beast returned so I injected Imitrex.  Then at 0300, I woke up to the Beast and again injected Imitrex (worked well).  Then, at 2200, I'm in the ER again, when the Beast returned, and they're explaining that I've exceeded the maximum dose of Imitrex, and I'm pleading just for some O2! (which worked.) I get to see my Primary Care Doc, the next day (MON) who prescribed O2 (DUH!), referred me to NEURO (DUH!), asked for Maxalt (NOT on VA drug formulary, DUH!), and gave me a script for Imitrex, which turned out to be exactly nine (09) doses (and lasted 03 days)!! SO, I get O2 and the Pulmonary Script was for a CANULA and 6L for 10 MIN! and when I was almost out and asked for a resupply (and a mask) it was like I was asking for something illegal! But, I will say that they did finally provide me with an O2 Concentrater, a mask (non-re-breather) eight portable tanks and one humongous tank that had to stay in the garage...and, ...the Beast now seems to have gone away, until the next time...KTSSU! (...Still have not seen Neuro!) Love and best wishes to all you fellow CH sufferers out there, life is still wonderful. ...KEEP THE SUNNY SIDE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 26th, 2011 at 9:43am
You're on the right path with the oxygen, read this link if you haven't already, to see the BEST way to use it.

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Hyperventilating with pure 02 has all but eliminated my use of imitrex, it's THAT good.

In the meds section of this board, read the topic, "123 pain free days and I think I know why." It's a simple over the counter vitamin and mineral supplement that's helping a lot of people on the board.

You haven't mentioned a prevent med in your arsenal. A med you take daily, while in cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of your hits. Verapamil, Lithium and Topomax are the most common prevents.

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This link will show you how to get 3 aborts out of each imitrex stat dose. If you're not needle squeamish it'll really stretch out the stat doses.

Welcome to the board, knowledge is your best friend in the fight against CH.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by deb on Aug 27th, 2011 at 3:05pm
I am 51 and my first CH started about 15 years ago.  I do fine for a few years and then BAM here they are again. Seems like it is always late summer or early fall and they last for 6 to 8 weeks. I am on my 7th week this time and they have calmed some except for the night time nightmare.
Is it normal to have a knot, lump on the back of my neck? I'm beginning to wonder if I have popped a disk or something.  I have an appt. on the 2nd of Sept. and would like to know what to tell this Dr.  I haven't been to this one before.  I just know that NO amount of pain medication works at all.  I need help understanding all of this.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 27th, 2011 at 3:16pm
The knot is very common, a lot of people have written about it. Welcome to the board. Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! When you see this doc, see how much he talks about the following, or if he doesn't know about it, is he open to learning? You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work. The link has the medical info your doc will eed to write a prescriptiuon.

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

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Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by arlene on Aug 31st, 2011 at 11:35pm
hi all!  i live in clarksville tennessee. i'm a 56 yr old proud grandma. my 1st experience with clusters was june 26th of 06 and they lasted a couple months. at the er they said 'maybe trigeminal neuralgia'. ct and mri showed nothing. my terror at the thought of another 1 of these headaches and the lack of what i felt was a diagnosis had me on the internet searching for a name for this headache from hell! it was in 1 respect a relief that it wasn't a brain tumor. but if it had been i bet i'd be all done with this pain by now! this is pretty much 'only' my 2nd bout. i enjoyed 4 pain free years that ended 10 days past my 'anniversary'. they've been back with a vengence since july 6th. i was working in a hotel and my boss didn't want our guest seeing me during an attack. so, altho i can have my job back when they're done i can't work now. and, i have no insurance. thru the local health clinic and a young np i was able to get generic imitrex pills. at 1st she gave me the 9 pills at 50 mg. on my 3rd visit she gave me the 100 mgs so i can break them in half and have more. they shorten the lenght of an attack-usually. but i'm not supposed to take more than 4 in a week. well, i've taken 6 in 4 days (1/2 pill each time). she gave me a script for oxyen but i couldn't afford it in mid july. well, today i sold some old jewelry and now my oxygen tank is sitting a few feet from me! when this cycle began i was having 2 to 4 attacks a day that lasted 15 to 90 min. then i also began getting woken up soon after going to sleep, sometimes 2 or 3 times a night. in the last week tho, i've had several attacks lasting 4 to 7 hours with a peak in the middle that lasts about 1-2 hours at a kip 10 level! (which is why i have the tank now). i'm terrified to go to sleep. haven't slept in nearly 46 hours because tho i'm exhausted and have tried to lay down twice both times it caused a LONG AND MAJOR attack. altho i asked for 15 flow rate, the np said i had to do a rate of 8 for 2 weeks because to start at 15 would make me run the risk of rebound attacks. but if i understand (and i'm not sure i really do) the info on the yellow oxy info page, its at this low rate that i run the rebound risk...?  due to c02. is that right? and, what am i risking by taking more than 4 imitrex in a week?  i am SO very thankful for finding you kind, wonderful, helpful people and this site. and, thank you in advance for helping me, us, find answers!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by motO2 on Sep 9th, 2011 at 1:37pm
I live in Sun Prairie, WI Have tried all the prophylactics meds and abortives. The only legitimate aids that work for me are; nasal or injectable Imitrex, O2 10-15L/min, and ice.
My chronic friend has left me disabled and quite miserable a lot of the time.
The onset came when I was 20 I'm 58 now and am experiencing the worst batch of clusters yet.
motO2

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by JENNIFER H on Sep 28th, 2011 at 2:33pm
Hi. I live in Milwaukee, WI, and have recently been diagnosed with CH. I had my first several years ago, and was told at the time that they might be CH. My doc told me if it happened again to ask for O2. Several years passed, with no problems, until last Saturday. Since then, I have had at least one each night, and yesterday also had one in the day. I went to the ER since no doc could see me, and after 20 minutes of O2, my headache was GONE. It hurt so much I was pretty sure I was going to die, so I couldn't believe it could just go away with O2. Then again at 4 AM, I get another, and thanks to this site, tried an energy drink, and it worked too!

My PCP is trying to get me O2 in the home, but has never had a CH patient before. Don't know if it will be covered by insurance. He also prescribed sumatriptan. He said if I continue to have headaches until Monday (which would be 16 days) he would send me to a neurologist.

My main questions:
How do you NOT be afraid to go to sleep?
Are most treated by a neurologist?
Is there any way to know when they will end? When I had these headaches last time, they did not continue for so many days in a row.

Thanks. This site is a life saver!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Imitrex4Breakfast on Sep 28th, 2011 at 5:33pm
Just to answer a few quick questions ...   (#1) You can't, (#2) Yes, (#3) and NO.  :)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by JENNIFER H on Sep 29th, 2011 at 8:44pm

Imitrex4Breakfast wrote on Sep 28th, 2011 at 5:33pm:
Just to answer a few quick questions ...   (#1) You can't, (#2) Yes, (#3) and NO.  :)


Thanks! I now have O2 in the house, so maybe I will not be so afraid to go to bed.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Sep 29th, 2011 at 11:05pm

JENNIFER H wrote on Sep 29th, 2011 at 8:44pm:

Imitrex4Breakfast wrote on Sep 28th, 2011 at 5:33pm:
Just to answer a few quick questions ...   (#1) You can't, (#2) Yes, (#3) and NO.  :)


Thanks! I now have O2 in the house, so maybe I will not be so afraid to go to bed.


Once you get used to oxygen killing off CHs rapidly, it'll reduce your fear of CHs. Or at least it made a huge difference to me as it was a life changing experience.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 1st, 2011 at 9:44am
Keep the 02 by your bed. My biggest problem with night time hits, I dream I'm getting hit, dream I'm using 02 to kill it , dream the 02 isn't working! By the time i wake up, the CH reallly has a good toe hold.

Does he have you on a daily prevent med? Verapamil, Lithium?

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Linda_Howell on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 1:03pm
In starting this thread what Bob and I hoped for was to make newcomers aware to put their city and state in their profile so it can be seen on each and every one of your posts, thereby allowing anyone in your area to be of help to you in perhaps finding a good doctor, obtaining 02, etc.

I'm afraid just putting your location here on this thread won't be very helpful and will cause your location to get lost.  :-[

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by flash on Oct 14th, 2011 at 5:31pm
I was very pleased to find this site.  I knew absolutely nothing about cluster headaches until my first one hit two and a half months ago.  I am a 56 year old male and was diagnosed by a neurologist a couple of weeks after it began.
At first, I tried over the counter drugs like ibuprophen and vicodin and loratab--all useless. Then, steroids and Imitrex did not work.
Now I am on deprakote, verapamil and relpax.    Every day that I don't take a relpax, I get a headache and those pills  are very expensive. 
Is there any end in sight?  I don't know how much longer I can stand choosing between being doped-up or being in pain.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by ClusteredChef on Oct 15th, 2011 at 3:00pm
Hi all, Allow me to introduce myself. My name is David and I am a Clusterhead. I live in Loomis, CA. They started when I was 17 years old. I turn 33 in November. And there back...!!! [smiley=angry.gif] :-[ This cycle seems to be strictly nocturnal so far. Usually between 8-12 pm. My O2 doesn't seem to be nearly as effective anymore. The attacks are severe, even had an ER visit last week. Nothing seems to stop them anymore. No Medical Insurance means no treatment to find something new. Is this really gonna be what the rest of my life is like? Never knowing when the next cycle will strike. Never even saw this one coming. My cycles have always been in the spring. Now the fall. I hate this EFING S*#%. Don't know how much more I can take. :( :( :( :( So Exhausted!!!
Thank you for a site like this!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 15th, 2011 at 3:56pm
You can take it, the trick is to enjoy your pain free time, and always be ready to do battle with the beast. Welcome to the board! ;)

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Ruzzo on Oct 15th, 2011 at 9:35pm
Im 43 years old male and live in Christchurch New Zealand. Been suffering CH for 14 years. diagnosed 2 years ago. My CH are seasonal lasting up to 2 hours. 3 to 4 times a day for around 6 to 8 weeks. Last year was prescribed imagrin this year on sumatriptan both of which i class as miracle drugs. Currently in my season but finding it very hard to get sumatriptan as i have to get a prescription for each 10 injections. Which dont last long. Down to my last one. Also been getting questions from my pharmacist on how much i am using. Also drive trucks for a living so im concern about the effects this will have.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 15th, 2011 at 10:19pm
Welcome to the boards Ruzzo. Take a second and read this link:

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Oxygen has all but eliminated my use of imitrex. Works as fast without all the side effects. I kept an E-Tank in the trunk of my cruiser for many years. An attack would start, I'd advise dispatch I'm down for a few, 6-8 minutes of huffing 02, beasty gone, I'm logged back on. You think Imitrex was a miracle, wait'll ya try 02! ;)

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by spiny on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:06pm
Good Afternoon all,
I am new here, but not to headaches.
They started in my 20's, with the standard diagnosis of Migraine. When I tried to explain that they lasted 1-3 hours, not 24 or more, I was ignored. I took lithium and Elavil (?) for two years, along with Demerol when I was loosing my mind with pain. Every trip to the ER, I had to agree to see a Neurologist because when they looked into my eye on the left side, the back was bulged forward. I had already had an EEG that showed an 'abnormality', but no Dr. could explain what it was or why I had it. Then, after 5 years they vanished.
Ten years ago, I started with a killer headache that told me exactly how many eyelashes and eyebrows I had on my left side. Once again, "You have Migraines." NOT!!! Imitrex (?) did not work. After two weeks, they vanished.
Then, I moved to the mountains, 3000 ft up. Not a problem for a year. Then, it started. 6-8 attacks a day, for months. My Dr. down below was lost (Migraines again), so I printed out a paper on CH. with my symptoms circled. He put me on Carbazamine (?) and Demerol pills for pain. That worked well for two years, except when I went off my mountain! Going down, never a problem. Coming up, I was in torture. Was advised to up the Carb to 1200mg max. I did, gradually. My salt tanked, everything I saw was triple vision. Finally, I was referred to a Neurologist. That response was "Why didn't you come sooner?" This Dr. has helped. Verapamil (?) worked, but it caused Hyperplasia (tissue overgrowth of the gums), so I had to stop taking it. Next came Diltizem (?).  Not nearly as effective, but controlled most random CH's and seemed to shorten the spring and fall sessions.
Now, they are back!!!! Attacking at 9:30, 12:00, and 3:00 at night. Needless to say, sleep is NOT happening when you get about 15 minutes sleep between cycles. I was put on Prednizone (?) blister pack. Worked great, till I got down to one a day, and back they came. Called the Dr. and begged to start another course and then a maintenance  of two a day for two weeks. Nope, got Prozac instead. Well, being stubborn, I informed the receptionist that I was going to take 5 yesterday and then taper off with the supply of 30 for once a day. They were offended that I was taking the lead since their lead was not working. I slept all night!
At this point, I am willing to lose all my teeth (I think) just to end this pain and will revert to Verapmil (?).
Well, I don't really want to do that. Dr. said O2 was way to expensive and would not prescribe it. Now, this Dr. said that Clusters don't occur at night and I should sleep in a BArca-lounger!!!! Time to take this on myself and just pick up some pain meds 3-4 times a year.
I am trying caffeine and it seems to help with the 3:00am session, but not otherwise. However, I do have a gas welder in the basement and will try the O2 on the next one. Also, there is a dive shop about 100 miles away and they should be able to help me get the setup right without fighting Medicare and paying a fortune. I tried the O2 shop in town for a portable tank and mask, but was told I would have to have O2 scripted for 24/7 to get any portable unit.
I am in NC mountains, past 60, mother of three, and own a retail business. Dr.'s I have found are totally clueless. Current Neurologist is at his wits end and appears unwilling or unable to help. As I am talking to his receptionist, he is providing input in the background but not getting on the phone. His position is that I have so many allergies to meds that he has nothing else to offer but Prozac. I am married and the side effects will not be welcome in my bedroom.
Any ideas? Know anyone around here?
Guess I should post symptoms: Drilling into my left temple is a railroad spike that just came from a blacksmiths tongs. Someone has hooked up alternating current to my left eye which extends to the back of the optic nerve. I know every branch of my trigeminal nerve from the top of my head to my mandible and out my ear. That octapus (?) cannot be put back once he comes out - he is there for 2 hours. My metal headboard is bent, so now I hit the bathtub and run screaming hot water so I don't expose my husband to my wanting to rip my own head off. There I can sit for an hour and continually splash my face gently and cook the rest of me for distraction. Cold makes it worse, perhaps because of the violent nerve pain. I used to be able to lightly touch and stroke my pain back into my temple where it was managable, but no longer. I have had MRI's. MRA's and tests for other head issues, with no positive results. The only test that showed anything was the EEG years ago. The hospital where my Dr works is 1 hour away, so that is a 3 hour trip at night and not a viable option. The local hospital refuses to call my Neuro for guidance and gives a muscle relaxant saying that I am 'drug seeking'.
The pain is fast in hitting, excruciating, and repetative (?)
I am convinced that you guys are better at this than any Dr I have found in NC.

Big question: Anyone had their iris on the pain side change colors? Dr says it doesn't happen, but I found an article that says it can and does. The article was written by a specialist in iris color (didn't know there were specialists for iris's). Mine started turning much lighter 4 months ago. No glaucoma or lack of blood flow to the eye, so I get to go to a specialist for this now!
Sorry for all the spell errors, I just am racing the clock (wonder why) and could not take the time to correct. I hate drugs!!! At least the ones they have me on now. All shaky, stupid, tired, and hungry.
Thanks to all.
spiny
"not all who wander are lost"

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by vietvet2tours on Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:38pm
Paragraphs would make this readable.  Lord knows I tried.

        Potter

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Jimi on Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:59pm
Lord Spiny you have had your share of incompetent doctors. In this day and age, to still hear these stories are inexcusable.

Yes you do need a script for 02 but it is the holy grail for most of us here. Knocks most ha's in 10-15 minutes. Get the 02. It is NOT expensive and is safe. You will neeed a regulator with at least a flow of 15 lpm, 25 lpm is better. Also a non-rebreather mask not nose cannulas. Keep on reading and learn all you can and welcome to the board.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Brew on Oct 28th, 2011 at 6:06pm
For Potter:

spiny wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 3:06pm:
Good Afternoon all,

I am new here, but not to headaches.

They started in my 20's, with the standard diagnosis of Migraine. When I tried to explain that they lasted 1-3 hours, not 24 or more, I was ignored. I took lithium and Elavil (?) for two years, along with Demerol when I was loosing my mind with pain. Every trip to the ER, I had to agree to see a Neurologist because when they looked into my eye on the left side, the back was bulged forward. I had already had an EEG that showed an 'abnormality', but no Dr. could explain what it was or why I had it. Then, after 5 years they vanished.
Ten years ago, I started with a killer headache that told me exactly how many eyelashes and eyebrows I had on my left side. Once again, "You have Migraines." NOT!!! Imitrex (?) did not work. After two weeks, they vanished.

Then, I moved to the mountains, 3000 ft up. Not a problem for a year. Then, it started. 6-8 attacks a day, for months. My Dr. down below was lost (Migraines again), so I printed out a paper on CH. with my symptoms circled. He put me on Carbazamine (?) and Demerol pills for pain. That worked well for two years, except when I went off my mountain! Going down, never a problem. Coming up, I was in torture. Was advised to up the Carb to 1200mg max. I did, gradually. My salt tanked, everything I saw was triple vision.

Finally, I was referred to a Neurologist. That response was "Why didn't you come sooner?" This Dr. has helped. Verapamil (?) worked, but it caused Hyperplasia (tissue overgrowth of the gums), so I had to stop taking it. Next came Diltizem (?).  Not nearly as effective, but controlled most random CH's and seemed to shorten the spring and fall sessions.

Now, they are back!!!! Attacking at 9:30, 12:00, and 3:00 at night. Needless to say, sleep is NOT happening when you get about 15 minutes sleep between cycles. I was put on Prednizone (?) blister pack. Worked great, till I got down to one a day, and back they came. Called the Dr. and begged to start another course and then a maintenance  of two a day for two weeks. Nope, got Prozac instead. Well, being stubborn, I informed the receptionist that I was going to take 5 yesterday and then taper off with the supply of 30 for once a day. They were offended that I was taking the lead since their lead was not working. I slept all night!

At this point, I am willing to lose all my teeth (I think) just to end this pain and will revert to Verapmil (?).

Well, I don't really want to do that. Dr. said O2 was way to expensive and would not prescribe it. Now, this Dr. said that Clusters don't occur at night and I should sleep in a BArca-lounger!!!! Time to take this on myself and just pick up some pain meds 3-4 times a year.

I am trying caffeine and it seems to help with the 3:00am session, but not otherwise. However, I do have a gas welder in the basement and will try the O2 on the next one. Also, there is a dive shop about 100 miles away and they should be able to help me get the setup right without fighting Medicare and paying a fortune. I tried the O2 shop in town for a portable tank and mask, but was told I would have to have O2 scripted for 24/7 to get any portable unit.

I am in NC mountains, past 60, mother of three, and own a retail business. Dr.'s I have found are totally clueless. Current Neurologist is at his wits end and appears unwilling or unable to help. As I am talking to his receptionist, he is providing input in the background but not getting on the phone. His position is that I have so many allergies to meds that he has nothing else to offer but Prozac. I am married and the side effects will not be welcome in my bedroom.

Any ideas? Know anyone around here?

Guess I should post symptoms: Drilling into my left temple is a railroad spike that just came from a blacksmiths tongs. Someone has hooked up alternating current to my left eye which extends to the back of the optic nerve. I know every branch of my trigeminal nerve from the top of my head to my mandible and out my ear. That octapus (?) cannot be put back once he comes out - he is there for 2 hours. My metal headboard is bent, so now I hit the bathtub and run screaming hot water so I don't expose my husband to my wanting to rip my own head off. There I can sit for an hour and continually splash my face gently and cook the rest of me for distraction. Cold makes it worse, perhaps because of the violent nerve pain. I used to be able to lightly touch and stroke my pain back into my temple where it was managable, but no longer. I have had MRI's. MRA's and tests for other head issues, with no positive results. The only test that showed anything was the EEG years ago. The hospital where my Dr works is 1 hour away, so that is a 3 hour trip at night and not a viable option. The local hospital refuses to call my Neuro for guidance and gives a muscle relaxant saying that I am 'drug seeking'.

The pain is fast in hitting, excruciating, and repetative (?)
I am convinced that you guys are better at this than any Dr I have found in NC.

Big question: Anyone had their iris on the pain side change colors? Dr says it doesn't happen, but I found an article that says it can and does. The article was written by a specialist in iris color (didn't know there were specialists for iris's). Mine started turning much lighter 4 months ago. No glaucoma or lack of blood flow to the eye, so I get to go to a specialist for this now!

Sorry for all the spell errors, I just am racing the clock (wonder why) and could not take the time to correct. I hate drugs!!! At least the ones they have me on now. All shaky, stupid, tired, and hungry.

Thanks to all.

spiny

"not all who wander are lost"


Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Shane on Oct 28th, 2011 at 11:39pm
Hello everyone. Im Shane from Carrollton, GA USA. I just went through my third cycle since being diagnosed with CH although Id say it may have been going on before that but the doctors always blamed my sinuses. I guess Im lucky compared to some being my cycles are around 14 days with roughly a years remission between them. It seems each cycle the frequency of extremely intense headaches has increased with a new symptom this cycle. They would shift sides during some attacks. My left side was always the side before until the right side got a few this cycle. I must say the intensity is much greater when on the left but not saying the attacks on the right side wouldnt stop me in my tracks. Well treatments... I eat meds like candy to little effect a majority of times, hot baths where I put my head in the water seems to dull the edge most cases but its only temp relief. I did try the chiropractic treatment towards the end of this cycle. It ended three days afterwards but that was its normal schedule so I dont know the true effect. This time my life was severely hampered. I could not focus to work, go to my sons sporting games, or anything. I just tried to do all I could between the attack times but after so many headaches I got to all I wanted to do was rest between them. I dont know about everyone else but I have crazy thoughts during them... Sometimes I just think about removing my teeth, eye, etc... I wouldnt do it but it scares me to even have these thoughts cross my mind. Anyway Im open minded to hear others ideas on preventing these or at least reducing their pain. 

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 29th, 2011 at 8:22am
Welcome to the board Shane. Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time. Given that your cycles only last 14 days, I'd want to ask my neuro about using just prednisone on one of the cycles, see if you can knock it out with just that.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers. As you've probably already figured out, the pain meds don't touch CH, the potential for abuse and side effects tend o far outweigh the minimal relief they provide.

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.


Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Shane on Oct 29th, 2011 at 10:04am

Guiseppi wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 8:22am:
Welcome to the board Shane. Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time. Given that your cycles only last 14 days, I'd want to ask my neuro about using just prednisone on one of the cycles, see if you can knock it out with just that.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE


Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers. As you've probably already figured out, the pain meds don't touch CH, the potential for abuse and side effects tend o far outweigh the minimal relief they provide.

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.


Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

I have used prednisone before. After just finishing this cycle I have decided to preemptive next time. The cycle befor were mainly focused late afternoon and night but that all changed this time. This time I would wake with it, another mid morning, noon, mid afternoon and late at night so basically no relief. I always seem to get a sinus symptom a few days leading to the attacks so I will be at the doctors to get the meds this time at the first signs of symptoms.   

Title: New here
Post by SoCal Barb on Oct 30th, 2011 at 12:22am
Just wanted to pop in and say how much I appreciate all of you being here!  I stumbled onto this site researching my daughter’s headaches and found that and so much more in the form of acceptance and support!  I use the word “headaches” loosely because what most of us (without CH) think of as a headache are just an annoyance and not a life event. 

In an effort to introduce myself I will try and hit the highlights, I am a supporter for my daughter.  Since this is my first experience with an online message board I will refer to my daughter by her screen name “Moonlight”, she is now 20 years old and our journey began five years ago when she was 15.  At that time she was diagnosed by her GP with migraine and severe light sensitivity, her meds started out with Maxalt for the migraine and something else for preventative and nothing seemed to take hold. She was seen by a Neurologist, had an MRI, sent to ENT, Physical Therapy and finally Psyche Therapy.

Moonlight had to finish her high school years in home study because she was in so much daily pain. We tried to reduce every trigger we could think of, to the point that she is now living a totally isolated life in her 10 X 10 room with all outside light completely blocked out.  She uses minimal lighting in the form of a 4 wt blue night light and has numerous layers of colored overlays on her computer screen and DVD player and these light sources are only used for limited periods of time.

After changing her environment to avoid the migraine triggers and finding that she still had these horrible bouts of pain I started researching other headaches and that is when I stumbled onto this site.  When I had Moonlight read the descriptions on your site all she could say was OMG, this is what I have been going through, THIS is what it feels like!  Her GP said that it is possible that she also has CH but with Moonlight’s issue with light she does not feel that she can survive venturing out into the word of light again in order to see yet another Neurologist.  You see, all these years she has been labeled an angry teenager that needs an attitude adjustment; nobody can “see” the pain that makes her so miserable and when she is in pain she can not answer their numerous questions. 

On the Kip scale of pain she is NEVER below a 3, she does not remember what a PF day feels like.  The theory as to what tipped the pain scale is her 10 years of Martial Arts training that she did without proper protection; her doc said that it is possible that the numerous blows to her head could have caused additional damage to an already compromised system. 

Moonlight is currently on Verapamil 40 mg x 3 = 120 mg per day, Elavil 50 mg per day, plus Imitrex 100mg pills when she is ramping up.  Before the Verapamil she had been on Propranolol, she has responded better to the Verap.  On her level 3 days she writes or plays her guitar.  Me, I try to provide anything that helps, but I can’t stay in her room anymore during an attack.  It’s just too hard…

I'm not here with any questions, it's just nice to know that there are people ou there that understand that this pain is REAL!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by spiny on Oct 30th, 2011 at 7:23am
Good Morning,

Potter: Sorry for not using paragraphs. I agree with you and normally would properly present it for ease of reading. I was under a very tight time constraint and bursting to talk to someone who understood what I am going through.

Jimi: Thanks. Have you tried the system used in the online store? At that price, I can even afford the more expensive unit.

I have a farm and access to O2 from our welding supplier. Do I still need a script or can I use a canister from my O2 folks? The Dr. is not very helpful at this point and would not prescribe it last week when I asked about it. Actually, he would not take 5 minutes to talk to me on the phone any of the four times I have spoken to his office in the last week or so. Somehow, time does not seem to have the same spatial quality right now during this brain dead piece of life.

This Prozac thing has to go. Side effects are not acceptable and I have not read anything yet that says this is an accepted approach and I do not want to be labeled 'depressed' in the lovely new electronic medical system. I had a diagnosis of COPD that is now available through the new system. The diagnosis cost me the ability to get Supplemental Ins. until I turn 65! I wonder if Prozac is just a guess on his part or has any validity treating Clusters?

Another thing, how do you get people to stop telling you "I know JUST how you feel. I have a migraine right now." So far, no one gets it. I usually reply with something like "I am so sorry. See you later." Perhaps the only place to talk to people who 'get it' is right here.

Thanks for reading. In addition, thanks for replying. It lets me know that someone read what I wrote and then took the time to reach out and reply

Thanks for your time.

I tried an energy drink for the 9:30 beast, but thought of it too late, so I did not get relief. When the 12:00 beast showed up, I drank the last of it and took another round of pain meds. It seemed to work. I will find out more tonight when #1 hits. It is always the worst and longest of my nightly 3 visitors.

My poor husband is so sleep deprived now that I can't stand it! Everytime he rolls over, he checks to see if I am up again. His efforts to help are really loving, and though it increases the stress to be touched, I don't have the heart to tell him to stop. It is the only thing he can do and he really wants to help.

Yes, I need a new Dr. I was hoping someone in NC could help in that department.

Once again, I am scatter brained from lack of sleep and the pressure is building up for another go. What I most want to do now is talk to you guys and I am heading into hell for another short visit.

Spiny

"not all who wander are lost"

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 30th, 2011 at 9:29am
To Spiny,

Your doctor is not knowledgeable on CH. I'll leave it at that or I tend to rant and rave at their ignorant arrogance! ;)

Yes you can use your welding oxygen. The 2 keys to oxygen being effective. Get on it as soon as you feel the headche begin. Get 100% oxygen to your lungs, at a rate to support hyper ventilation. No outside air, no exhaled air, just pure oxygen.

Stop trying to explain your pain. :-/ No one who hasn't suffered a CH will ever understand, I've just learned to be okay with that.

Please check out what we are now referring to as the "Batch Regimen." It's a daily supplement of over the counter vitamins and minerals, that's providing an incredible amount of relief to many on the board. Go to the medications section of this board. Look for the post "123 pain free days and I think I know why." It's a long read but worth your time. Hang in there, we do understand!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 30th, 2011 at 9:40am
Good morning Barbara, I'm just a little south of you down here on the "right coast!" I assume you're already working with a headache specialist neurologist, given what sounds like some complex neuro issues.

The first thing I would do is get your daughter on the "Batch Regimen." Go to the medications section of this board and read the post "123 pain free days and i thnk I know  why." It's all over the counter stuff, but when you see the number of people showing massive improvements in their headaches by using it, it's a little hard to ignore.

Then try her on oxygen. It's critical you get a home set up as one of the two keys to making oxygen work is getting on it as soon as she feels the attack starting. The other key is geting 100% oxygen to her lungs at a rate to support hyper-ventilation. That's where the high flow regulator and non re breather mask come in.

Her verapamil dose is very low for CH purposes, some go as high as 960 mg a day. You must be monitored by a doc before you increase that dosing though as not everyone can tolerate the higher doses.

Visit our sister site:

Clusterbusters.com

They use non traditional methods to deal with CH. Don't be scared away by the sounds of the "non-traditional" These treatments have given a normal life back to some of our more severe sufferers.

As  aparent of two girls, now 28 and 26, my heart aches for you. [smiley=hug.gif]

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by SoCal Barb on Oct 30th, 2011 at 11:28am
Thanks for the info Joe, she is taking Omega 3 and Vitamin D3 daily but at much lower doses, I will continue to research dosage and talk with her doc.  Her doc has been very conservative with her dosing because Moonlight will not leave the apartment to be seen in the clinic because this always brings on a Kip 10 headache.  I take her blood pressure and pulse at home and forward the information on to the doc.  I will also look into getting her on oxygen.  Thanks again for the welcome!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by spiny on Oct 30th, 2011 at 8:17pm
Hi Guiseppi,
I tried some O2 today, using a wet washcloth as a filter and exhaling away from my source. While I only managed a minute or two, I hyperventilated to increase my consumption.

I am going to order the unit I saw here tomorrow. It works and I am sure that if I get the unit in a close location and not on a 2 foot tether, I will stay with it the full time as well as be able to get to it about 10 minutes sooner.

Your rant or rave would probably make me feel better! So much insanity over the years, yet they assume we are the ignorant ones and resent our knowledge of anything in their field.

I will take in the 123 post. I had already started on vit. D-3 last week. It just sort of seemed logical, since the days are so much shorter.

I wonder: When fall comes and folks start closing the windows and doors and heating with recirculated (partly) air, are we reducing our available O2 inside our homes, are we abetting the beast?

spiny

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Oct 30th, 2011 at 9:49pm
I don't think reduced 02 triggers a CH. Some have tried using nasal canulas while they sleep, runing a low flow 02 all night hoping to prevent an attack from starting. I haven't seen any successes posted. Obviously this doesn't qualify as a double blind publishable study!! ;D....but does indicate that low 02 levels aren't the culprit.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by spiny on Oct 31st, 2011 at 8:25am
Maybe not a 'publishable' study, but likely more valid than some that are published!  ;)

One other question - is it common for others to get a Cluster from ascending to a higher altitude while experiencing no issues when descending to a lower altitude? I generally run about a 75% chance of a bruiser when going back up my mountain. Usually, it will be an isolated incident, not the beginning of a session. However, if I have to travel the up/down route more than once in a week, it could mean a rough week :(

Here's hoping that we all have a wonderful day. As for me, I had a FULL  nights sleep.

Thanks,
spiny

Title: New to the game
Post by Maar10 on Nov 9th, 2011 at 1:05pm
I am 20 years old and attending university in Boston. 2 years ago I started getting these headaches. My mother said it was because I was drinking too much or smoking too much. She said I had to get myself a healthier lifestyle. I am physically fit and a very active person. I didn't drink or smoke more than the average college kid but in the spring of last year I started to get them worse and worse so I swore off of drinking and smoking (that was about 5 months ago). I thought that was the remedy. I had no headaches all summer long. I came back to school in September and had no problems for the first month. Then I started to get them again. I figured it was stress and lack of sleep bringing them back and I had a cold at the time too. I thought dehydration may have been an issue too with the air becoming dryer. But between being captain of the sailing team, playing on the tennis team, studying engineering and taking classes I found some time to sleep and get myself more healthy. Yet the headaches have not gone away. I can feel them coming and I know there is nothing I can do about it. I drink lots of water as soon as I sense it and sometimes take Excedrin migraine pills. But its always the same. That burning behind my right eye. I become hot and uncomfortable and the pain increases until its unbearable. Surges of pain make me want to dig into my skull and pull out the pain. Getting them during class is the worst, I can't focus anymore, I sit there and cradle my head begging it to stop so that I can figure out what the professor is talking about. The ones that wake me up at night are just as bad. I lie awake for nearly an hour. Just waiting for it to go away. I get them almost everyday at some point or another. It is a godsend the days I dont have them or even the days where its shorter and not as painful. But they have been occurring so frequently lately and so intensely, I started to do some research. This wasnt just my lifestyle this was something else. Now I have found out about cluster headaches and I will have my first appointment with a doctor about them next week. Is there anything I should know or any advice you have for someone who has just started to learn about cluster headaches?

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by LasVegas on Nov 9th, 2011 at 2:18pm
Sorry to read you are suffering.  You are not alone.  Most of us here understand your pain.  The others here are educators and supporters of those who understand your pain.  You are not alone.

Get yourself some energy drinks containing 1000mg Taurine and caffeine such as Redbull, Monster, Rockstar, etc.  Chug a can as fast as you can at onset of an attack, this should help.  The faster you get the Taurine/Caffeine combo into your digestive system, the better.  Hopefully using one of these energy drinks will provide you some pain relief.

Over The Counter meds such as Excedrine, Tylenol, Aspirin, Ibufrofin have not been effective for most who reported using these OTC drugs.  In fact, pain meds such as Lortab, Percocet, Morphne, etc have not been effective for most who reported using these prescribed painkiller drugs.  OTC and Pain meds often will not only provide relief to the CH pain, but also create additional attacks, called rebound attacks.  Might consider staying away from OTC products and painkillers.

Read as much as you can about CH's.  The best info available in the world about CH's is right here on this website.

Take the cluster quiz, left side of your screen.

Read and learn and ask questions as needed. 

You will want to talk with your doctor about abortive treatments such as Oxygen therapy and Triptan medications such as Imitrex injections or nasal sprays.  Imitrex pills are generally worthless to CH survivors, as the pills take too long to abort an attack. 

Learn the Imitrex Tip-left side of your screen.

Try water therapy-left side of your screen.

Test cold and/or heat to help ease the TORTURE by the DRAGON.

You will want to speak with your doctor about your symptoms and print off that cluster quiz to share with your doctor.

Transitional meds such as a Prednisone taper and Prevntative meds such as Verapamil ahve proven very helpful for most of us who suffer.

Everybody reacts differently to meds, dosages, etc.  This is going to be trial and error.  What worked last cycle, may/not work this cycle. 

Try to keep a diary, a headache log showing times of day/night you are attacked, duration, what you did to abort an attack if applicable, possible triggers, etc.

There is so much to read and learn here that it could take days, weeks or months.  So try not to be overwhelmed trying to absorb all the knowledge at once, start with the left side of the screen and click on each of the tabs and work your way down.

Good Luck and again, you are not alone ;)

Title: Re: New to the game
Post by vietvet2tours on Nov 9th, 2011 at 2:27pm

Maar10 wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 1:05pm:
I am 20 years old and attending university in Boston. 2 years ago I started getting these headaches. My mother said it was because I was drinking too much or smoking too much. She said I had to get myself a healthier lifestyle. I am physically fit and a very active person. I didn't drink or smoke more than the average college kid but in the spring of last year I started to get them worse and worse so I swore off of drinking and smoking (that was about 5 months ago). I thought that was the remedy. I had no headaches all summer long. I came back to school in September and had no problems for the first month. Then I started to get them again. I figured it was stress and lack of sleep bringing them back and I had a cold at the time too. I thought dehydration may have been an issue too with the air becoming dryer. But between being captain of the sailing team, playing on the tennis team, studying engineering and taking classes I found some time to sleep and get myself more healthy. Yet the headaches have not gone away. I can feel them coming and I know there is nothing I can do about it. I drink lots of water as soon as I sense it and sometimes take Excedrin migraine pills. But its always the same. That burning behind my right eye. I become hot and uncomfortable and the pain increases until its unbearable. Surges of pain make me want to dig into my skull and pull out the pain. Getting them during class is the worst, I can't focus anymore, I sit there and cradle my head begging it to stop so that I can figure out what the professor is talking about. The ones that wake me up at night are just as bad. I lie awake for nearly an hour. Just waiting for it to go away. I get them almost everyday at some point or another. It is a godsend the days I dont have them or even the days where its shorter and not as painful. But they have been occurring so frequently lately and so intensely, I started to do some research. This wasnt just my lifestyle this was something else. Now I have found out about cluster headaches and I will have my first appointment with a doctor about them next week. Is there anything I should know or any advice you have for someone who has just started to learn about cluster headaches?


  Find a competent headache Doctor so as to rule out more sinister causes for headaches.

             Potter

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Nov 9th, 2011 at 4:45pm
Welcome to the board Maar, Potter is right, you need a referral to a headache specialist neurologist. If it's not CH, the faster you get a diagnosis the better. If it is CH, it'sa lifetime affliction, so time spent early on working with a specialist is time well spent!. Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

Go to the medications section of this board and read the post "123 pain free days and i think I know why." It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff, that’s providing a lot of relief for people who have tried it, it’s a long read, worth the time.

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

clusterbusters.com


Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Elise on Jan 2nd, 2012 at 11:05pm
Hi Everybody,
I am a 30 year old war veteran who has been out of the service for something like ten years (medical discharge, unrelated) I am being treated for PTSD (another super, wicked fun condition) and I am currently living in RI.
I have not been diagnosed...only diagnosed with "migraines" (HA! good joke!...I WISH they were migraines!) I am joining this sight to get advice and HELP! I don't know who to go to or what to tell them...I have realized that "these aren't simple migraines" for a little over a year now....how did I figure it out you ask? because I had one sooo bad that it made me contemplate...well, you all know what it made me think about...anyways, so I typed into google "**that thing** and migraine...and it came back with "cluster headaches - "suicide headaches" so...I read...and the more I read, the more I was like, "Oh my God, THAT'S ME!!!!!"....I'm still learning...and because I don't know and haven't known that much about these monsters until recently it has been hard for me to keep an accurate diary...especially since my doctor doesn't seem to "get it"...which, how could I expect him to if he doesn't experience these things himself...but I digress...I could not keep an accurate diary because even as late as last night while scrolling through pages online and reading I realized that there are soo many symptoms that I have that I don't even realize are symptoms...so I don't write them down...and when People tell you to write down "everything"...what does that mean exactly...but, for instance...I didn't know that other people with cluster headaches get "restless" and take part in what one site refered to as "almost autistic looking motions" and one site refered to as "the pain dance of torture"...that one made me laugh out loud! For real! I thought I was just in so much pain that I had to move around to try to take my mind off of it...I didn't realize that part of the headache was the eye watering and nose running....I just thought that I was crying silently (since when I have a bad one I go in between not crying one minute and doing the cry of the "dying cow" as my husband so lovingly refers to it, the next!) I didn't know that sweating was common! I just thought that my pain was so severe that my body was almost in a "shock" type of mode...nor did I know that a common symptom is anger...I just thought I was wicked pissed at God for letting this happen to me!...so how could I have kept an accurate diary of all of these things if I didn't know they were symptoms...what did I keep a diary of? weather, time of day, what I ate, what I drank... :-( My diary: Fail
But here's the deal, I've gone to my PCP and like I said....DON"T GET IT....what do I do? who do I need to go see? a neurologist!?!? What words do I need to use for them to understand my desperation...(years before I had ever heard the term "cluster headache" I had gone to the ER for a "migraine" and I had told the dr that I hoped it was brain cancer and that it killed me quick!)
  I also feel horrible for my kids (I have a 10 year old and a 10 month old) I can't imagine how scary it must be for the my 10 yr old to watch...I feel like I should have never had children because when I am caught up in the throws of one of these things I feel like I'm the worst parent in the world...I feel like my kids are going to be traumatized more by these then I am...watching your mom cry, scream, pound walls (because that's all I can do sometimes), rock, pace, pray for the pain to stop, sob uncontrollably and at times not be able to make coherent sentences...and never make eye contact...I can't imagine how scary that must be. Right now I take zomig for them but....that used to work...i also take (usually on the same days)...I don't know what questions I didn't answer, I hope my "history" is complete enough...but that's the basics...I'm looking for any help that anyone can give me...and honestly...just want to talk to people who understand the sheer horror of these things...because no one I know gets them. :-( not that I'd wish them upon my worst enemy....thank you, Elise

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 12:41am
Hi Elise

With complex headaches you need to work with a neurologist who specializes in headaches. Cluster Headaches (CH) are pretty rare and few doctors have much experience of them, even most neurologists.

Don't worry about having a perfect headache diary, the one I keep for my CHs has the date, day, time, duration, where I was, pain level (1-10), any medication I used and any other comments (where the pain was, what it felt like, etc.). That has been more than enough detail so far.

To diagnose CH, it is pretty much a case of doing tests, like an MRI, plus observations, looking at your diary, etc. to determine what type of headache or possibly headaches you have.

Read the excellent post by Guiseppi which is just above yours. What he wrote applies very much to you too.

Then read and read, you'll soon learn more about CHs than most doctors know.

And ask any questions you've got, people here will try to answer them.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by JackBurton on Jan 11th, 2012 at 12:28am
Hello, I am Christina, I am 32 y/o stay at home mom. I have a wonderful and sympathetic husband who also has cluster headaches but hasn't had one in 2 years with no treatments. I live in northern Ohio. I've been working with my family doctor and will be seeing a headache specialist next month. I was diagnosed with cluster headaches in the ER 2 weeks ago after a very severe migraine sent me in and when I described the pain around my eye, the doctor wanted to try O2 and since it worked he diagnosed cluster headaches.

I recently saw my family doctor and she prescribed verapamil at a low dose then titrate up, I go back in 2 weeks. She also gave me a prednisone pack and an order for oxygen at home. Home health care delivered it today and it's all ready to go. I am lucky to have good health insurance for it not to be a hassle.

I have been having severe migraines in episodic patterns for the last 3 years. Looking back some were clearly cluster headaches, and some were clearly migraines. Migraines meds have been hit or miss, what works once may not work the next time. I tried Topamax but the side effects were too severe. I've tried to keep journals, but especially over the last year the head pain has been evolving. For instance I had no migraines during summer and fall except like clockwork every month I would get a severe, writhing on the ground painful migraine that very well could have been a CH. Now the pain has come back more frequently but with unwelcome friends. I have what seems to be constant nerve pain in the back of my head and along my jaw and cheekbone (trigeminal neuralgia?)

I am healthy, and I have had multiple tests to rule out anything else. MRI/MRA of head and spine, multiple CT scans of head, bloodwork, general neuro exams. Other than seeing a headache specialist and following what my family doc has prescribed, there isn't much else I feel like I can do.

But I am still worried and confused. Isn't a cluster headache supposed to last for up to 2 hours? Mine can last up to 8 hours and beyond. I've gone to the ER so many times this year and feel like a loser doing so, but after 2-3 hours I simply cannot take the pain anymore. With a regular migraine, even a severe one, I can at least take a large dose of benadryl and fall asleep. Not these. Ugh.   


Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jan 11th, 2012 at 8:50am
Welcome to the board, sounds like your GP is on the right track and knows CH based on your initial treatment. We have several members of this board who like you are dual diagnosis, CH and migrain.

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Read this link to make sure you get the maximum benefit out of your oxygen. Pay particular attention to the masks they describe, "Non Re Breathers" and the flow rates, we find 15 LPM is a bare minimum with some going as high as 45 LPM to get relief. If any of this is confusing ask questions. My abort times run 6-8 minutes, been a total game changer for me.

Go to the meds section and read the post "123 pain free days and i think I know why" A daily vitamin/anti inflammatory regimen that's providing a lot of relief for CH'ers.

Get the hubby on board here too. Sounds like he's off cycle, but the beast being what he is, he's probbaly going to come back. Knowledge is your best defense against the beast. We'll help all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by japanzaman on Jan 19th, 2012 at 9:15am
I live in Japan and have been dealing with clusters for ten years (four cycles to be exact). I consider myself fortunate in that Prednisone has worked quite well for me in in clearing up my bouts up to date. My remission periods have also been quite long (four years and some change between the previous one and this one).

However, I understand that there are no guarantees with this disorder and I can only hope the pred helps kill this cycle (2 weeks, 7 headaches). I was first diagnosed back in Texas while at college, and the doctors here in Japan have a good understanding of the disorder and were quick to to give me prednisone this time around.

If the pred doesn't work, o2 seems like the next best bet.

The headaches for me are totally random. Sometime in the morning, sometime in the afternoon, each lasting about an hour or so.

I don't fear the pain- it's the interruption it brings to my life that I fear the most. I teach, and I've had to literally walk out of class when a nasty one came up during school. I've stood in front of elementary aged students going through an activity while on the inside I'm doing everything I can to keep from grimacing and slamming my fist into my face.

My wife is Japanese and very understanding, but she doesn't speak very good English and therefore can't read up on this disease as well as I can. Still, after watching me during a couple of my bouts, I think she gets the point!

I've lurked these boards for quite a while, usually when I'm in the middle of a cycle and promptly forget about this site after the cycle finishes. I'll try to pop in a little more this time, but hopefully not too much! ;D

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:52am
Glad ya stuck your head in Japanza! I used to HIDE from this board when off-cycle as I was convinced even thinking about CH would start another cycle! Don't feel you have to post all the time, but please visit often enough to stay up with the most recent developments in treatment. So if the pred ever does stop working....crossing my fingers that never happens to you....you'll have some back-up plans to jump to.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by japanzaman on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:12am
So far so good... had a couple of shadows but no full blown headache yet. Still, dosage is high right now so we'll see what happens over the next few days as I taper down.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by KKM123 on Jan 31st, 2012 at 8:44pm
Hello,

I am 33 and live in Hawaii on the island of Kauai. I started having headaches last year on a daily basis with worst happening evenings and mornings. Primary Doctor sent me to a neurologist. I was asked to keep a headache diary and was logging 20-25 headaches daily. I was asked to take pictures when my face drooped and my eye got red so I did.
I have gotten mri's, CT scans, and was finally diagnosed with CPH in november. I have been responsive to indomethacin but stil :)l find myself having headaches at least twice a day but not more than 5. I have tried verapamil, ultratram and topiramate. I had allergic reactions to tropimate and verapamil made my headaches worse. Today I got an occipital nerve block administered.
I have a basic understanding of treatments for EPH and CPH mostly being indomethacin. Unfortunately, My neurologist believes that I also have migraines. Kind of feel like a lab rat with all the different medications.
When the headaches are severe I have constant nausea and pain on the left side of my head mostly above my left eye. The eye redness and tearing doesnt necessarily mean I have a headache but will normally come before a bad one. When its over if feel very tired. Other then that its mostly throbbing and distracting making it hard to concentrate.

well nice to meet you all, hopefully I can get some useful advice and in time help others.

Thanks :)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 9:51am
Welcome to the board KM. Great to hear you're working with a neuro, with a complicated plate like you have, a GP would be a bit out of his element. A couple suggestions to try:

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Read this link and talk to your neuro about getting home oxygen prescribed. Since discovering oxygen, I've all but eliminated my use of imitrex. I average about 6-8 minute aborts of my attacks. When you can abort your attacks that quickly, you don't get left with those horrible shadows, that aching head feeling I believe you describe between attacks.

Go to the medications section of this board and read the link "123 pain free days and i think I know why." It's a simple daily anti inflammatory regimen, healthy for you with or without CH, and it's providing a lot of pain free time for members of the board. Cheap, healthy anyways, certainly worth a try.

Glad you found us, keep reading, knowledge is your best ally against CH!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by john76 on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 2:16pm
i live in brooklyn ny currently and this is my 3rd go round with this nonsense and its killing me. i didnt have any episodes yesterday and today i had 2 already. does this mean the cycle is almost done? im 35yo and this monster is beating the shit out of me. not on any meds because doont have much faith in them due to the inconsistencies in effectiveness. any advice? i feel like ripping my eye out.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by LasVegas on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 2:29pm

john76 wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 2:16pm:
i live in brooklyn ny currently and this is my 3rd go round with this nonsense and its killing me. i didnt have any episodes yesterday and today i had 2 already. does this mean the cycle is almost done? im 35yo and this monster is beating the shit out of me. not on any meds because doont have much faith in them due to the inconsistencies in effectiveness. any advice? i feel like ripping my eye out.


What meds and dosages have you tried that you found inconsistent?

-Gregg in Las Vegas

Title: Hi. I'm new here
Post by Brynne on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:34pm
Hi. I am a 29 yr old female. I live in N.W. Washington.  I've had CH's for the last 3 yrs. The first time I had one I thought I was going to die. I was scared that I was having an aneurysm or had a brain tumor or something. I went to the hospital and they gave me dilatin (which barely took the edge off) and told me the name of a neurologist. The CH's use to last for a month a round with a month break. But, I've been dealing with this round the last year and a half. No breaks. Its been 1 1/2 yrs without a full nights sleep. The doctors said they couldn't do anything for me because when this round started I was 5 months pregnant and then later breastfeeding. They gave me vicodin. 20 5mg pills to last 30 days. Which did nothing to ease the pain of 1-3 episodes a night. Although I did go to the hospital the first couple times after I was pregnant and they gave me an IV of dilatin.  I am a single mother with a 6 year old and a 1 yr old. Dealing with the Ch's too I'm soo sleep deprived and depressed that I usually stay at home. I'm glad to have finally found a place that understands how bad the CH's are. I hate it when I try to explain it to other ppl and they're like oh ya I've had migraines before. And I'm like NO u dont understand. The only real support I have is from my mom (who I live with), she gets up with me at night and will help talk me through the pain. I really dont think my doctor understands even though I've told him, "look childbirth rated a 3-4 max on the pain scale, the CH's rate 10+." I also get tears running down my face and redness and heat on the same side as the CH. :'(   And afterwards I'm exhausted. Now I am still having CH's but my baby is fully weaned and I dont know which medicine would be most helpful. O2 never really helped me and the side effects of prednisone are horrible for me. Imitrex seemed to help before my pregnancy but the side effects seem to last longer than the CH's. I am going to get another appt with a neurologist and see what he thinks.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:48pm
Welcome to the board Brynne, we're danged glad you found us. Read this link, Many who found oxygen didn't work were using it incorrectly, using nasal canulas, rebreather masks, low flow rates, all guarante failure. My aborts run about 6-8 minutes huffing 02, many have similar results:

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Then go to the medications section of this board and read the post" 123 pain free days and i think I know why" A simple anti inflammatory regimen, all over the counter and cheap, and healthy for you even if you don't have CH. It's getting a lot of people pain free. Start at the end and work your way back as it's a work in progress that's regularly getting tweaked. Given where you live you might really benefit from the D-3 part of the regimen.

2 preventative meds to discuss with your doctor, verapamil and lithium. Print this out and take it to your doc, he'll regognize the source:


Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.
Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

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SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented


Hang in there, there's a wealth of info here we'll all try to help you!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Franky on Feb 15th, 2012 at 4:05am
Hello.

I'm 26 and I live in Croatia. I've been having cluster headaches on and off for almost 6 years now. Both my parents are doctors so after they realized I'm not having normal headaches or migraines it was up to them to see what was wrong. With no disrespect to doctors who know what they are doing most of them in Croatia don't. I was diagnosed with CH but as it is not that common here (I was the first this doc saw, he was around my age so kinda figures).
I'm a "lucky" one I guess since the remission period of my headaches is pretty long. Most of the time it's 3 months on, 3 months off, if I’m really lucky it’s 6 months off. The headaches on average last and hour/hour and a half. Two nights ago was the worse one I’ve ever had and lasted around 2 and a half hours. Tonight it only lasted an hour and a half. Every headache turns me into a whimpering madman. No pain I’ve ever had comes even close to this.
I've had asthma attacks (not so severe) in the past and they always occur during a CH episode. I've used just a regular Ventolin inhaler, but during the "shadow" phase of CH using Ventolin only makes things worse (from what I understand due to the rapid dilation of blood vessels when I start to breathe normally). My parents prescribed me corticosteroids and that helped, but since that's not a permanent solution due to the side effects.  I am currently waiting to get Verapamil hoping it will help.
My attacks occur only during the night at 3am sharp, so my limitations as far as “normal” life is concerned are very few. Just the normal exhaustion and depression. I live alone with my closest friend lives 1 hour away but she provides social support enough for 10.
I hope I can learn more about my condition here and try to help others.

Edit: Once my grandfather tried to call an ambulance because the headache was so severe I was screaming and bashing my had against a wall (not so smart but I was out of my mind) they refused to come because "they are not sending an ambulance for a headache"

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Feb 16th, 2012 at 9:05am
Welcome to the board Frankie. Have your folks read this link:

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It's the safest, fastest abortive available to you. My aborts average 6-8 minutes just breathing pure 02. It must be used correctly or it won't work so do take the time to check out the link. Then just start reading like crazy on this board. You'll be qualified to teach your doc all the latest and greatest treatment options for CH. Glad you found us, i hope we can help you.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by dawnboo on Feb 17th, 2012 at 10:47am
Hello My name is Angela and I live in Wilmington NC. I have not officially been diagnosed but am thinking this is the most likely possibility as to my condition. I have for about 2 years in a row now out of the blue been experiencing daily headaches on one side of my head (right) right behind my eye that last all day on and off for a duration of 5-6 weeks and then also out of the blue they go away and do not return for almost another year. Through Internet research this has made me believe the clusters fit the bill the most. At this point the headaches when I am experiencing are really bad but not as severe as I have heard in some peoples stories but I am afraid mine will eventually get to that point. It scares the heck outta me. Do they normally start off moderate and then progressively get worse during each cycle?

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by LasVegas on Feb 17th, 2012 at 11:22am
Hi Angela,
Sorry to read you are experiencing such pain and frustration. 

My CH's (Cluster Headaches) started when I was 10 or 11 yrs old.  My middle school, high school, college and many of my adult years were misdiagnosed by doctors.

In 1999 I discovered this website and took the Cluster Quiz on the left side of your screen-yellow tab.  Every single question/answer indicated I had CH's and self diagnosed myself.  I brought my research from this website to a qualified headache specialist who confirmed my diagnosis.

I suggest, if you already haven't, to take the Cluster Quiz.  You should get to a headache specialist/neurologist who can confirm your diagnosis and rule out anything else that may mimic CH's and/or be an issue within your head.

Most doctors are not familiar with CH's as it is a very rare disorder.  You will need to be a self advicate by reading from this website, comprehending your knowledge and sharing your new expertise with your doctor.

Proper CH treatment includes (1) Transitional medication, (2) Preventive medication and (3) Abortive medication.

Do read and understand the value of each of these three treatments for best control of your cycle and life.

When you feel like venting, this is the place, as we understand CH pain moreso than anybody as we also suffer.

After you have clicked on all of the yellow tabs and read each of the sections of threads of topics with reply posts, do ask questions.

I found a list of recommended doctors close to Wilmington you may consider scheduling an appointment.  This list of doctors is recommended from other CH sufferers that are in your area.  The list is from the OUCH (Organization for Understanding Cluster Headaches) website.

In Newark, Delaware...
Dr. Sung Ho Bae Neurosurgical Associates

In Philly...
Dr. Steven Mandel
Dr. Stephen D. Silberstein Jefferson Headache Center
Dr. William B. Young Jefferson Headache Center

There are other recommended docs in PA listed on the OUCH website, but these should be a good start if the doc in Newark is of no interest.

Just remember, you are not alone!  Most members on this site are helpful and will offer sound advice to you.  Don't delay scheduling an appointment with a qualified headache specialist, do your own research on this website to better your understanding of CH's and start your treatment ASAP.

You will get through this! ;)

-Gregg in Las Vegas

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Feb 18th, 2012 at 9:54am
What Greg said! If it is CH...and it sounds like you may be in our select group....it's a lifetime condition. So the sooner you start working with a qualified headache specialist neurologist, the better. Mine started in my late teens, without the severe attacks, and without the clockwork like regularity that begin in my 20's and 30's. I'd really push you to continue your research on this board, but get thee to a specialist!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Jacey on Feb 18th, 2012 at 2:45pm
Hi, I'm 41 and from Yorkshire in the Uk and was diagnosed last year with clusters by my own GP who has an interest in headaches.  I was sent for various tests, MRI etc and all came up clear so was sent to York Neurology department for them to give a definite diagnosis.
It was Clusters and they put me on Verapamil which seems to damp down the attacks to a level I can cope with.  They tried me with a sumatriptan injection which worked on the headache but absolutely floored me! Nearly passed out on the floor!
I'm now on my second bout exactly one year on and so know it will last 12 weeks.  Only 5 more to go!  The verapamil is working and my Dr is now trying me with a sumatriptan nasal spray which is much better.
Having read a few posts I am going to try the ice packs for one thing, but also noticed it affected someone else's teeth.  Have suddenly found my own are very sensitive.
Just appreciate that there is somewhere like this to talk about it.  My GP is brilliant and very supportive but explain why you are stamping about crying from only one eye and everyone looks blank!  Often feel like sayin it's a migraine as that would elicit some sympathy for a change,

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by AussieBrian on Feb 18th, 2012 at 6:30pm

Jacey wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 2:45pm:
Having read a few posts I am going to try the ice packs for one thing...

Frozen peas are our friends. Also consider chugging a Red Bull-style energy drink at the first twinge of a hit. Many find it helps a lot.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Luna on Feb 19th, 2012 at 1:42pm
Hello all,

I have been a CH suffer for about 15 years. I was diagnosed at about 16 and I am 32 now. I started getting CHs when I moved to Denver from Phx during the mid 90's. Originally it was thought that I had severe sinusitis and was put on antibiotics and decongestants for many years. After I was finally diagnosed - by a PCP who actually knew his stuff - I received imitrex, o2 therapy and prednisone to help me abort CH during my cycles. I am episodic and usually go about 12 to 18 months between cycles. I was a long time smoker and drinker throughout my years of CHs. Since, I have been sober for nearly 3 years and smoke free for close to a year and a half. I am also diagnosed with adult ADHD and panic disorder, which the ladder is in remission.
I went close to 5 years without a CH cycle and thought I grew out of them. My CHs are always on the right. I have problems with excessive tearing, red eye, drooping eyelids, nasal drainage, and intense pain around the eye, temple and forehead. During my cycles I constantly blow my nose to try and release the pressure in my head. My CHs last usually 30 minutes to an hour and occur 1 to 3 times a day ( usually during the afternoon and night).

I was CH free for close to 5 years. During that time I made a lot of changes in my life. I was on an antidepressant for 4 of the 5 years that I didn't have CHs. Also, I moved to AZ and got sober 3 years ago. I lost close to 50 lbs as a result of changing my lifestyle. I went back to school and changed careers during this time as well. Before my current cycle came on, I started to get really intense allergy attacks after running outside in PHX.
Today I just finished my sec prednisone taper and I am feeling like my cycle is almost over. I saw a PCP who prescribed me cardiezem and imitrex injections to abort. He didn't go the o2 route due to insurance issues ( according to him).
I forgot to mention, 1 week before me current cycle began I weened completely off of Celexa a drug I was on for most of the time I was CH free. I have been taking Vyvanse for ADHD for nearly a year - if that helps?

I'm sure I forgot to mention something, however, I tried to be as thorough as possible.

Maybe someone has a similar story or can relate.
Have a great weekend!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Feb 20th, 2012 at 1:47am
Hi and welcome

I see that you've got prednisone as a preventive, however this should not be taken long term as it is pretty harsh on your body and long term use can result in significant issues. We normally use it as a short term preventive as a taper dose over 1-2 weeks whilst a longer term preventive, like verapamil, lithium or topomax, builds up to an effective dose. However some people with very short cycles do just use the prednisone, but this isn't too common.

I am not sure why your PCP didn't go the oxygen route as this is a lot cheaper than using imitrex injections and there are no side effects. I kill off my CHs in about 5 minutes using 25lpm as a flow rate and a non-rebreather mask.

People in the US will be able to give you better advice about dealing with insurance companies.



Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by dawnboo on Feb 20th, 2012 at 7:57am
Hi Guys thanks for the great advice I finally had to go to see a physician Saturday because the headaches were just not holding back! He prescribed me the  Oral pill form  Imitrex and is referring me to a Neurologist to follow up. I must say the Imitrex has worked wonders for me. After only a day on it the pressure and pain behind my eye is gone and upon a full blown attack once I take this it aborts pretty quickly. Must be a wonder drug. I will update you guys once I go to see the Neurologist.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Feb 20th, 2012 at 10:03am
Here's hoping the neuro you see is up on Clusters. If you like the oral form of imitrex, wait until you try the injectable...complete relief in a matter of  minutes.

Discuss oxygen with the doc, the best of the aborts in my book. Read this link ahead of time so you know the set up you need. I kill my attacks in about 6-8 minutes just huffin the 02, good stuff:

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Good luck with the neuro.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by fenian175 on Feb 21st, 2012 at 1:31pm
Hi My name is Kevin. I am 37y/o male from Pennsylvania. I have been diagnosed with clusters by my Dr. She is a neuroligist at Mt sinai school of med, center for headache and pain medicine. I am currently on Inj DHE,Depakote 1000mg twice daily,Namenda 20 mg twicw daily, verapimil 720 mg,and dilaudid 8 mg tab for pain if it works. I am in the middle of an episode that started 21/2 weeks ago. i recently had my longest attack to date lasting over 4 hrs. If i did not have my wife and son i would no longer be here right now.  :'(

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by jon019 on Feb 21st, 2012 at 7:59pm
Hi Kevin...welcome aboard!

That's quite a list of meds...makes me wonder if there are other health issues besides ch. Entirely your business...and I have no intent or desire to question your Doc's decisions...so, just some comments for your consideration.

I don't see O2...check out the Oxygen link to the left. It MAY just relieve you of this med combo...it sure did me.

Many here find that a preventative  (like  verapamil) and an abortive like zomig nasal spray or imitrex injectable are effective controls....along with an initial prednisone taper to allow preventatives time to become effective.

Again...the oxygen may allow elimination of all of that.

The reported experience of this group is that multiple meds create a situation where one does not know which are helping and which are not...it's thought that one or several...given a reasonable time frame to work...will prove out or not.

Pain killers rarely work...and have considerable negative potentials...

Best wishes...stick around and read, read, read.....we can help...

Jon




Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by lgtalley on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 3:07am
I'm not sure if my husband is a sufferer of cluster headaches but either way I feel so helpless in the quite obvious pain he is in.  It started suddenly a few nights ago around 11 at night and I had to force him to go to the ER.  He was pacing incessantly and said it felt like his right eye was being crushed.  Now I've read a pretty substantial amount of information and posts from different sites and what he was describing to me sounds exactly like what most of the people who post here suffer from too.  My husband is only 27 years old but for the last few days, he has almost noticeably aged due to his pain.  My husband is also active duty with the United States Air Force and his career is EOD, so he disarms the IED's or "bombs" that news channels talk about a lot.  He has had reconstructive surgery on both feet and ACL surgery, yet he says that this new pain in his head is the worst pain he has ever felt in his entire life.  We are afraid to tell the base doctors about what is happening because he might lose his security clearance meaning his job, and he only has 3 years left until he is out for good.  I apologize for this being so long but I wanted to explain our situation and hopefully emphasize my extreme feeling of uselessness and hopelessness towards his horrendous pain.  I would greatly appreciate any and all comments and/or suggestions about what my first step should be to help him. 
Sincerely, In Desperate Need Of Advice

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by lgtalley on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 3:15am
My husband recently was prescribed Wellbutrin about 2 months ago for mild depression.  He only took it for less than 3 weeks but about a week or two after he was off them, he suffered from what the doctor called a cluster headache.  He's been in pain for over 5 days now.  Is there any possibility that the Wellbutrin could have contributed to this sudden change?

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 10:58pm
Not sure about the Wellbutrin causing headaches, I haven't heard of it before. Sudden onset head pain is not something to take lightly. It's quite possible it's the onset of CH, but there are numerous other more serious, even rarely life threatening conditions, that need to be eliminated before a solid diagnosis can be made. All easy for me to say as I'm not looking at getting booted from my retirement with only 3 years to go.  :'(

While he is navigating the VA Medical system....can be a nightmare from other posts I've read......I'd suggest he start with what we call the Batch Regimen. A daily vitamin/anti inflammatory supplement that's helping alleviate the attacks for many. Not a cure, but even if it's not CH it's a healthy daily regimen. Go to the medications section of this board and check out the post "123 pain free days and I think I know why" For attacks, have him try chugging an energy drink, Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffiene and taurine. Many can abort or at least really reduce the intensity of an attack that way.

Keep pressing for a solid neuro work up, we always worry about teaching somebody to mask pain, only to discover we allowed a condition to deteriorate while we treated only the symptoms.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by arelvee on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:07am
Hey all, amazing to find other folks that suffer these attacks like I do,  I am a 44 yr old caucasian male living in KY USA. I have been having clusters for about 25 years. The following is my testimony.

My attacks began (I call them attacks because "headache" is a severe understatement) when I was 18 or so. at first they were fast, severe and thankfully rare. at first I thought they were like brain freeze but worse and no flavor.
Of course they soon changed into a regular thing. Once a day at 6:00 Pm Id have an attack that took 15min to reach peak then would quickly dissipate after that.

My first try at professional treatment was to go to a chiropractor, He took Xrays and found an issue with the curve of my neck bowing forward instead of backwards.
I started treatment, and although it helped my back and neck pain, it didnt seeem to have any real effect on the clustrs. I continued treatment for about a year and, found out also that I have one leg .812" longer than the other(confirmed with full length X rays). and have been wearing a shim in my boot ever since. Still little if any effect on the clusters.

My second attempt was to go to the pain center at miami valley hospital under the care of a neurologist named Dr. Demergen. He diagnosed me with "chronic cluster headaches", and started treatment with  an egot derived drug called "methergiside". Im gonna be honest I hated that crap. at first I had constriction of the arteries in my legs. I felt like  I had ran a marathon, the Doc claimed it was a common side effect and reduce the dosage 50%, I basically had 3 wks of living hell trying to get the dosage right. I ended up taking 1/4 pill 1x a day from the original dosage of 1p x3x. I went from 1 attack a day to about 5 attacks. I was extremely irritable and restless and, basically became a jerk to all my friends and family. regularly losing it and flying into a rage which is not a normal part of my personality. I quit the meds and the Doc, went back to the chiropractor and, after the first adjustment went immediately back to having my nice stable predictable 1 daily attack.

I pretty much went with my daily attack at 6PM for the next 12 years. and continued sporatic chiropractic care, with varios chiropractors.

It was after that I began seeing some relief due I believe to the repeated chiropractic care and lmprovement in my physical posture from correcting the leg length issue. A new chiropractor suggested that possibly the weight of my hair wich was waist length, may be contributing to my headaches. I scoffed at first but eventually I took the plunge and cut it all off. and it actually helped a bit. within a few weeks of the "haircut" and regular adjusments from the new chiropractor I had my first attack free day since my symptoms went chronic at age 19 roughly 14 years. I got to the point where I would be cluster free for months and at the first sign of "shadows" as Ive heard them termed here I would go get an adjustment and be attack free for a few more months. That chiropractor passed away, and I went for about a year without chiropractic care. It was the recurrence of the clusters that drove me to seek another Chiropractor and, within a week of resuming regular adjustments. I was once again attack free.

There is hope, this was not an overnight fix, it took years to get my spine in good enough condition to experience relief and, although I still occasionally have clusters they are no longer chronic, the severity is no where near the debilitating pain attacks I suffered daily for many years and, their recurrance is definitely related to neglecting my chiropractic "tune ups" as I call them.

My theory is that when muscle tension reaches a certain point it begins to feedback like a microphone set in front of a live speaker, when the microphone is moved away or turned away from the speaker the amount of sound feeding back into th mic gets below a certain threshold the feeback stops.
The chiropractic adjustments eventually result in muscle tension falling below the treshold that triggers an attack. This is only a theory and honestly it does not answer the timing issue of the daily attack. Possibly it is linked to other physiological factors I know nothing about.

It is my sincere prayer, that this can help some of you find relief or at least give some hope. I have to say I never though I would have the opportunity to share this with anyone. God bless you all and, thank you to whoever it was that started this site Im hoping to become a regular visitor and, learn even more about you all. :)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by vietvet2tours on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:53am
It's your hypothalamus.

        Potter

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by crashmoto on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:01pm
I have been diagnosed with CH's for 2 years now, I am male, age 42, 6'3", 210lbs and have suffered for 5 yrs.  My CH's started back up 2 weeks ago.  Before being diagnosed, my MD 1st started with a cat scan (negative) which led to sinus surgery. Then MRI (negative), then sleep study (no Stage 3 or 4 sleep) I was given a CPAP to try for thirty days, I felt more rested but at this stage I was in remission from CH's.  My insurance would not pay for CPAP so I bought one myself & still use weeknights.  I live in Charleston, South Carolina and my CH's usually begin at the end of February beginning of March and last for 3 months.  My MD finally did a little research and discovered that all my symptoms pointed to CH's and I was diagnosed. 

Pre-Cluster Headache Triggers/Symptoms:
1. slight headache on back of neck
2. burning sensation also on back of neck
3.  Sunlight in eyes on way home from work
4.  high humidity = achy & dull whole head headache
5.  exertion ie: bending down, sometimes sex
6.  talking loudly for extended periods
7.  Drink ie: beer  (casual drinker maybe 10 beers a yr)
8.  extended time outdoors (sun, heat , humidity)
9.  exercise
10. noise (extended loud)

During Cluster Headache: (always left side)
1. Worst pain -located above eye
2. pain -on cheek
3. pain -right by ear lobe toward cheek
4. pain -upper left jaw & teeth
5. pain -back of neck
6. eye tears (left)
7. nostril runs (left)
8. can't stand, pace, exercise
9. sensitive to light & sound
10.  sometimes sweat thru ice bags 
11. try to sit still but can't, pound legs switch, pos. regularly

Medications:

Last year: Verapamil , imtrex pills, butalbital spray & tons of Excedrin migraine

This year: Verapamil, imetrex spray and Nucynta

Baaaaaaaa Humbug!!!!!  Not sure if the Verapamil does anything.  I think the imetrex works sometimes but truthfully am I just being fooled if I don't actually go to a full CH.  The Butalbital seems to work sometimes & lessen the pain, but when CH was over, I felt drugged and need to sleep.  Hard when you have work to do.  The Nucynta is a pill and seems to take 30-40 min to kick in and has worked but geez 30-40 min is not abortive.  Then left feeling drugged again.  I have tried everything I can get my hands on & have things ready for my timely night wake-up calls sometimes 3 a night, feeling symptoms now but only get 6 sprays of imetrex per script and find myself missing taking them & getting slammed just trying to preserve meds.. 

That's pretty much my story, plus my symptoms are increasing and I need to prepare. Just my luck, it's bedtime and need to be up for work @ 4:30  ugh...

Not glad I'm not alone but it has been nice to have this site as tool for trying to kick these CH's.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:10am
Take a look at this link, these are doctors recommended by other CH sufferers who are more up to date on treating CH:

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Then check out this link on how to use high flow oxygen. My aborts run 6-8 minutes, that's from onset of symptoms to pain free, just by huffing oxygen. Great for the night time hits as it lets you go right back to sleep with no med side effects:

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Then go to the medications section of this board and check out the post "123 pain free days and i think I know why." It's a daily vitamin/anti inflammatory regimen that's providing a LOT of relief for people on the board. The best part is even if you don't have CH it's  a healthy daily regimen. If it doesn't work you're only out $5-$10 bucks!

Continue to read these boards, in no time you'll know more about CH then most of the specialists out there! Glad you found us, hope we can help you.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by crashmoto on Mar 7th, 2012 at 8:17pm
Thank you for the reply.  Columbia, SC is a bit far away to switch up Dr's.  I am satisfied with my Dr. so far since this is new to both of us.  From things I have read on this site he got the Varapimil & Imetrex right, it's the abortive that seems to be the missing cog.  I have an appointment this Friday and will be mentioning the O2, sounds like a good option.  A little concerned being a smoker but I think I can separate the 2.  Should I mention that he also put me on DexPak a 6 day series of pills 6, 5, 4, 3....  maybe to compensat for the time the varapimil take to get in your system.   The reason for the imitrex sparing is not on my Dr. it's my insurance co. putting limits on how many I can have, so now since I know the game I will be stockpiling every 5 days.  Thanks again.  -Tim

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Eliminopy on Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:37pm
Hello there, My name is Mike.  I am currently a 30 year old male living on the South Side of Pittsburgh having moved here from Cleveland Ohio.  I have been getting "migraines" for about 15 years and have not been to a doctor about them since around 12 years ago.  At that time I believed migraine meds like excedrine were actually giving me relief so the doctor told me to just continue self medicating untill it stopped working.

In the past week I have had two head aches, one on monday at about 4am (usually bedtime is around 6-6:30am)  and one on tuesday at 9am which woke be after getting to bed around 7.  I never really thought much about them, just assumed that they were migranes.  I assumed everyone attempts to shove a hair brush through the back of their head or try and dig their left eyeball out when they get headaches.  This was the first time however that my girlfriend has actually seen me go through my routine or being really scary as she said during a headache, so i decided to look them up.  Upon finding this site and others I have come to the realazation that I have clusters, man am i relieved to know its not a tumor LOL.

The biggest thing im excited about is i will probably stop eating as many excedrine migraines and instead do some research here to look for some better remedies.  One big issue is that i have no insurance and will have none for the forseeable future as we opened a Bar and need business to pick up first before any new expesnes.  So im looking for remedies or aids that are easy on the pocket book (actually excited about the freezer idea! if one can be.)

Anyways thanks for having me...

Mike

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 8th, 2012 at 5:36pm
Welcome to the board. A quick caution about self diagnosis! It's risky. There are other conditions which can mimic CH but are a bit more sinsister. We're always fearful of teaching people to mask their pain only to allow something that should be treated to reach an advanced non treatable state.  :-/Your first choice is always a complete work up by a qualified headache specialist neuro....that's best case scenario. With a lack of insurance, ouch, that bites. That being said, the "at home" cures for the pain of a CH attack:

Energy drinks. Red Bull, MOnster, any containing the combo of caffiene and taurine. Chugged down at the first sign of an attack many can abort or really reduce an attack.

Read this link on oxygen. Set yourself up with a big welding oxygen tank, a regulator and a mask, an abort will run you less then a buck a hit. I abort my attacks using just oxygen in 6-8 minutes

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For the night time wake up hits, try Melatonin. An over the counter sleep aid, available at any pharmacy or health food store. Start with 9 mg about 30 minutes before bedtime. You'll have to play with the dosing, some go as high as 18 mg to stop the wake up attacks.

Go to the medications section of this board and read the post "123 pain free days and I think I know why" A simple vitamin/anti inflammatory regimen, cost you pennies a day, and it's providing a lot of relief to CH'ers.

Finally visit our sister board:

Clusterbusters.com

Here we explore non traditional methods of dealing with CH, some legal some not so much, all providing some pretty impressive success stories.

Glad you found us, hope we can help you.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by eric67 on Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:52am
Hi all ...... I've not been on here for a while ...... well I've been in this latest bout for the past 29 months  >:(
The good news is I'm being admitted to hospital on the 19th of this month for Infusions ...... fingers crossed they have some effect !!!! I will update you to how things have gone ...... hopefully it will be good news.
Love to all
Eric

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:47am
Sounds like a crappy run Eric   :'(  Hoping the infusions help. If you haven't checked it out, go to the medications section of this board and read the post "123 pain free days and I think I know why"

It's a simple daily suppllement program, Vit. D-3, magnesium, calcium, zinc and fish oil. It's providing a lot of relief for members who are trying it. Cheap, healthy even without CH, certainly worth looking into. Hoping you can tame the beast soon.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by george ws on Mar 19th, 2012 at 4:39pm
Hi,my name is George, l am from west sussex, England,I am new to the web and it's great to find this site and people who understand how bad ch's are! Just wanted to say hello to everyone for now and Will say a bit more about myself tomorrow regarding diagnosis and treatmen,thank you  for taking the time to read this and I look forward to getting to know some of you,bye for now

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 19th, 2012 at 5:52pm
Welcome to the board George, you've stumbled on the mother lode of CH info. Also, visit this site

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It has a lot of information that is specific to your side of the pond. Glad you've found us.

Joe

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Post by angioi on Apr 1st, 2012 at 8:45am
Hi my name is Antonio and i come from Slovenia,but i work and live in Germany(bavaria).Im 30years old and i started to get CH 2011 February,i was diagnosed in december 2011(in germany) with chronical CH by my house doctor and then confirmed by my neurologist.I have from 2-4 attacks everyday with up to 6days per month pain free.My abortive meds are :
Sumatriptan 100mg
Zomig nasal 5mg which is very good for me
Pure O2 8l/min portable set when i have stronger attacks
I have also experimented with "magic mooshrums" psilocybin and was also very good for me,got 2-4 pain free days after a low dose,but i dont use them often because they are hard to get and ilegal in my country.I have also made positive experiance with taurine and coffein,ice packs or very cold water.Also i have tried Marihuana which makes me handle the pain easier, but its not good for daily use because of my job and social life.I have also stop drinking alcohol and smoking cigaretes.
As abortive meds i use Verapamil 80mg(since 2 weeks) at a dose 240mg per day,but havent noticed any good affects till this day,i still get the same amount of attacks every day.Maybe its not working for me or maybe i have to give it some more time to work?
I realy like your site and all the info that it has to offer,keep up the good work  :)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by vietvet2tours on Apr 1st, 2012 at 9:01am

angioi wrote on Apr 1st, 2012 at 8:45am:
Hi my name is Antonio and i come from Slovenia,but i work and live in Germany(bavaria).Im 30years old and i started to get CH 2011 February,i was diagnosed in december 2011(in germany) with chronical CH by my house doctor and then confirmed by my neurologist.I have from 2-4 attacks everyday with up to 6days per month pain free.My abortive meds are :
Sumatriptan 100mg
Zomig nasal 5mg which is very good for me
Pure O2 8l/min portable set when i have stronger attacks
I have also experimented with "magic mooshrums" psilocybin and was also very good for me,got 2-4 pain free days after a low dose,but i dont use them often because they are hard to get and ilegal in my country.I have also made positive experiance with taurine and coffein,ice packs or very cold water.Also i have tried Marihuana which makes me handle the pain easier, but its not good for daily use because of my job and social life.I have also stop drinking alcohol and smoking cigaretes.
As abortive meds i use Verapamil 80mg(since 2 weeks) at a dose 240mg per day,but havent noticed any good affects till this day,i still get the same amount of attacks every day.Maybe its not working for me or maybe i have to give it some more time to work?
I realy like your site and all the info that it has to offer,keep up the good work  :)

Damned good first post.

           Potter

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Apr 1st, 2012 at 9:54pm
Read this link on how to correctly use the 02. Your flow rate is way low, we start at 15 LPM and go as high as 45 LPM. Worth a read to get more benefit from your oxygen:

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Then visit our sister site,

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This is a very effective treatment regimen but it rewuires you follow a strict regimen to make it work.

Glad you found us, hope we can help you.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by justjill on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:10am
I live in texas. I am a 40 yr old woman, mother of 2, stay at hm mom. I got my first attack one night the first week of february this year. Since then, i have been pain free for about two full days. There have been pain free hours and moments in between, but only two full days.

Cluster hit at night on the right side of my head. Sinus filled up. Rt eye teared. I took two aleve and a rx allergy pill. Major cluster pain for about 30 mins. Then pain went down to migrain level and i was able to sleep. I really thought i was going to die. My husband was really scared too.

I wasnt sure what was wrong with me. I was sure it was something expensive and refused to go to the e.r. due to the high cost of our co-pay. Three days later i gave in and went to see my family doctor. He diagnosed me right off with cluster headaches. He gave me some samples of maxalt and sent me on my way. The pills worked wonders. But 6 pills didnt last very long.

I called back asking for more and a preventative. He gave me a rx for topiramate and sumatriptan tablets. Maxalt was way too expensive, even with insurance.

The topiramate is kicking my butt. I am so tired all the time. I am on my third day taking them. I waited because i thought i might be pregnant. (Baby plans have been put off for a while now.) The pills make my hands feel tingly. The small "electrical shock"type headaches have stopped but the clusters have increased. They were only on the right side of my head but now have decided to invade the left. Today and night, i have had clusters on both sides of my head.
Pills have caused confusion, word loss, coke taste bad, numbers dont make sense.

I go back to the dr on the 19th. Hopefully he will be able to make the pain go away.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Apr 15th, 2012 at 9:17am
Welcome to the board! I was just in Texas last week doing a bicycle tour through the flower fields of your "Hill Country" outside Fredericksburg, WOW!

Are you working with a headache specialist neuro yet? We have seen the best results from doing so. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis. I’ve had CH for 33 years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief. The Topirate is what he's using now, I'd suggest printing out the following and take it to your doc as this med has less of the mental side effects that seem to be hammering you with the topirate:

The first report, on using Verap., is a protocol which has gained wide acceptance.

===
Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

=======================================
SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.

=======

Okay, enough on the prevents for now.....


2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

Go to the medications section of this board and read the post "123 pain free days and i think I know why." It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff, that’s providing a lot of relief for people who have tried it, it’s a long read, worth the time.

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

clusterbusters.com


Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by justjill on Apr 16th, 2012 at 3:40am
Thanks for the info. 

I had to laugh at the part about the energy drinks.  Today my 8 yr old daughter made me a cup of coffee.  I'm not much of a coffee drinker but she loves the stuff.  After drinking it, my head felt much clearer. I think I'll be drinking more of the stuff from now on.

Today I decided to cut back on the Topomax from 2 pills a day to 1 at bedtime.  I had a pretty bad headache all day long today but no clusters.  Nothing like yesterday.  2 Advil did a pretty good job of taking away most of the pain and just left me with discomfort.  It's been almost 40 minutes after taking the Topomax and my head is already not feeling too great.  I don't think this is the drug for me.  I can't wait to go see the doctor in a few days.  I will talk to him about the new drug you suggested, and about seeing a specialist.

Thanks for all the advice.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by bobbybarks on Apr 24th, 2012 at 7:08pm
Hi Guys

I'm a brand new clusterhead and a brand new member to this website. I've just turned 32 (such a nice birthday present), married with 3 beautiful daughters, who thankfully look like their mother. I live in the North of England, in a pretty little town by the name of Barnsley.
I'm afraid I don't appear to be as strong as the rest of you during the 'dance', as I tend to go to another place without realising. The pain can sometimes become that unbearable that I either blackout or end up convulsing. My neurologist is steadily increasing the amount of topomax I am on, currently 50mg on a morning and 75mg on a night, with a view to being on 100 and 100.
Currently experiencing approximately 3 attacks a day, which is driving me insane. The pain is unexplainable to anyone who does not suffer with it, I haven't been overly enthused with my neurologist as she recommended some website to me which turned out to be a waste of time. I came across this one by chance and after reading some of the comments I felt like people on here would actually understand. Hence my registration, I'm hoping to find some friends who'll understand my situation because at the moment I kind of feel like a fish out of water!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Apr 24th, 2012 at 8:34pm
Hi and Welcome, just sorry you needed to come here.

From the description of the pain of a CH it really sounds like you've got nothing to abort a CH, which is as essential as being on a good preventive (like the topomax you're on).

Do insist on getting oxygen. Breathing pure oxygen through a non-rebreather mask at 25lpm lets me kill off my CHs in about 5 minutes or so, which is a whole lot less pain than the 45-75 minutes I used to endure (not sure how now). There is a load on info about oxygen on the left.

Also look at getting imigran injections, which can also kill off CHs in a few minutes, but you're limited to only using them a couple of times a day.

Also since you're in England, do also look at your UK group, OUCH UK - START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE. They offer forums and a helpline to make the most of getting good treatment on the NHS.

And yes, people on here really do understand CH with everyone either getting it themselves or supporting someone with it.

Keep reading and reading plus ask all the questions you can think of. You'll soon learn more than most doctors about CH.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Apr 24th, 2012 at 9:56pm
Welcome to the board, I'm with Mike. Get oxygen! Kills my attacks in about 6-8 minutes. Here's  a link with the basic info on how to use it, along with info you can print out to give your doc the info to give you a try on it:

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Do take a tour of the ouch uk site, a lot of area specific info for you to help you navigate your med system there. Glad you found us, hang in there.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by bobbybarks on Apr 25th, 2012 at 7:31am
Thanks for the quick responses. Bit concerned about having an oxygen cylinder in the house with three young children (the eldest is 6). Can they come in different shapes/sizes or tamper proof from playful children lol.
Neurologist hasn't spoken of these imigran injections, how does this work?
Is topomax the best preventative medication to be on, or is it just a case of what suits the individual? I just don't feel entirely comfortable being on such a high dosage of them and have already started with some side effects, such as weight loss (not always a bad thing I know, but I wasn't overweight to start with), pins and needles, hangover type headaches in between attacks and a dry mouth.
I've had a look at the Ouch Website too, thanks for poitning me in that direction, some helpful topics on there too.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Apr 25th, 2012 at 9:33am
Oxygen tanks come in multiple sizes, they are relatively safe if kept in their racks so they can't be knocked over. By the time my girls were in their teens they could rig a regulator on an E-Tank for daddy, gave them a feeling of having some control over the beast!

Topomax is not the first line prevent, Verapamil is the most common, you can print this out for your doc, he should appreciate it's origin:

If you haven't see this protocol, it's widely used:

Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.


    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).

=======================================
SLOW-RELEASE VERAPAMIL

Dr. Sheftell applauded the protocol for verapamil used by Dr. Goadsby and colleagues, which entailed use of short-acting verapamil in increments of 80 mg. “This method was suggested by Lee Kudrow, MD, 20 years ago as an alternative to slow-release verapamil,” Dr. Sheftell noted.

“I would agree with using short-acting verapamil, rather than the sustained-release formulation, in cluster headache,” he said. “I prefer the short-acting formulation with regard to ability to titrate more accurately and safely. My clinical experience anecdotally demonstrates improved responses when patients are switched from sustained-release verapamil to short-acting verapamil.”

Dr. Goadsby agreed that his clinical experience was similar. “There are no well-controlled, placebo-controlled, dose-ranging studies to direct treatment. This is one of those areas where clinicians who treat cluster headache have to combine what modicum of evidence is available with their own clinical experience,” Dr. Sheftell commented.


Hope this helps.

Joe



Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Saladin27 on May 16th, 2012 at 5:18am
Okay, okay, okay.... where to start??? I just found this site. Heck 12 hours ago i thought I had Migraines. I didnt know CHs existed. I didnt know anyone else on planet earth experienced what I go through. Now I know better. Because:

1.My headaches are suicidally painfull (although I tend to regret these thoughts when I feel better)

2. 40%-50% of the pain is behind my left eyeball

3.No family history of migraines

4. I look exactly like those disturbing YouTube vids of ppl with CH during an attck

5. These headaches have taken over my life

6. I get "shadows" which ruin my mood/demeanor and are like a constant horrifying threat

7.Headaches always on the left side (except maybe 1 or 2 episodes several years back)

8.Left eye tears up and eyelid droops down

9. I can probably find 10 more reasons of the top of my head. Tired of typing this part of my post. SERIOUSLY I'm a textbook case.

I'm 26. Been getting them about once a year since the age of 16. My cycles are 2 weeks long. Approx 4 CH/day. I'm in a cycle now and I'm sort of scared because usually I can "feel" that the cycle is almost over at this point (10 days in). It doesnt feel like that this time. Also a first: it has been 2.5 years since my last episode.

The only meds I've ever tried are worth squat. Advil, tylenol, tylenol with codeine, aspirin, naproxen, diclofenac potassium (voltaren), chamomille tea (lol),  etc... I've even tried tripling the "safe" dose. Doesn't make a dent on my headache. Like candy.

Yes. I'm a Soldier. I've toughed every headache for the past 10 years without any effective meds or treatment. Nobody except you guys will ever understand the significance of this.

MY QUESTION: Anyone know the fastest way for me to get a proper diagnosis in the Canadian Healthcare system? Preferably in Quebec? More preferably in Montreal? I want some Imitrex! I want some O2! I dont wanna go to sleep or face my next CH!!! HELP!!

for tonight I'm gonna try a freezing cold shower in case of an attack!! (in case right? lol) I read that on this site. I also read working out during an attack. Dont think Ill try that one. Really working out?? It'll make all the blood rush to your head. That cant be good. During an attack my pain spikes with every breath. I hold my breath sometimes dreading the moment when I'll have to breathe.

Anyways.... I have to sleep at some point right? I think Im ready to fight the beast one more time.

Once more into the fray
Into the last good fight I'll ever know
Live and die on this day
Live and die on this day
----From movie "The Grey"

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Dan Williams on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:50pm
My name is Dan.  I was diagnosed with cluster headaches about 3 weeks ago.  It started back in April on a Wednesday night.  I was awakened around 1am to the most pain that I had every experienced in my life.  To put it in perspective, I have had migraines, muscle tension headaches, sinus headaches, etc, and I knew this was exponentially worse.  My wife took me to the ER where they did CT scans and originally diagnosed me with a stroke.  Needless to say, this freaked both me and my wife out.  A week later and still suffering with the same pain, I was right back in the ER where they did an MRI and the neurologist ruled out a stroke, and told me that it was actually a cluster headache. 

What infuriated me the most about this doctor, even though he told me what I suffering from, was his total lack of empathy.  I asked him what I can do to at least lessen the pain, and he said "people get headaches, so there is not much we can do."  I promptly got another neurologist who took the time to explain what I was going though.  He prescribed verapamil, prednisone, and imitrex.  I am also taking melatonin to help me sleep at night.

I my case I have also been tracking the frequency and intensity of the headaches with a spreadsheet and this is where I found that the prednisone was having more of an impact on controlling the headaches than anything else.  Once I tapered off of the prednisone, I ended up back in the ER because the pain increased to the point that I couldn't believe.  Much worse than anything I can even describe.

I am grateful to find a resource like this and hope to contribute as much as a receive.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Saladin27 on May 24th, 2012 at 3:30am
Hi Dan, I'm just a newb here but I'd like to offer some advice anyways, at least until some of the more experienced members get to you.

First do A LOT of resesarch. Doctors are busy and they wont care as much as you (that would change if we could just give them a 10 minute taste of our headaches). Plus many of them are uninformed about CH (even neurologists). The people here are pretty much heaven sent. ask ask ask!! oh and you'll get alot more "hits" if you start your own thread.

Second: OXYGEN!! I'd rather avoid serious meds if I can abort attacks with something I breathe already. It works for most but it is necessary to have a high flowrate (15L/min or more) and a NON rebreather mask. Your meds do sound like "the basics" though.

Third, get your vitamin D3 levels checked. Apparently, most of us get these torture sessions simply because we're vitamin D3 deficient. I'm not a doctor but I'm good at math and probability. The math says: CHECK!!!!  Batch will tell you all about it.

Also, I found that Axert (almotriptan malate) which is very similar to Imitrex (sumotriptan) will actually mess with the cycle and give relief but only to make the beast come back (and he'll be pissed!!). And it made my cycle longer. Buuuut everyone is different.

A lot more tricks: Chugging energy drinks, sticking your head in freezing cold water, working out (that one's not for me), shrooms etc.....

Avoid: heat, cigarettes, weed, skipping meals, Alcohol of any kind (not even 1 drink)

Ya CH is bad, but its better than a stroke....

Good luck

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Dan Williams on May 31st, 2012 at 5:09pm
Hi Saladin27,

Thanks for the reply. Its funny you mention the vitamin D3. I was just tested and was told that I was completely deficient.  Apparently working in an office for over 10 years is hazardous to my health.  I am also starting the oxygen tomorrow, so hopefully that will make begin to make a difference. I am looking forward to a day without a headache. Its been so long since I can remember what a headache-free day felt like.

Thanks again for feedback and support.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by brandib on Jun 4th, 2012 at 10:50am
Hi Everyone,

I was diagnosed with CH in April of 2011 although have been getting them since I was 26, and am now going on 33.  I live about 40 miles from State College Pennsylvania. My family physician thought I was getting migraines, until I explained to him how my eye swells, droops, and waters.  And not to mention the excrutiating pain on just the left side.  I am also a text book case.  The only difference with me is that mine did not get significantly worse until after the birth of my 3rd child.  Another interesting fact is I did not get one headache during the 2nd and 3rd trimester of my pregnancy, which was May through October. One week after my son was born, the headaches came back and they were worse than ever.  My neurologist prescribed me Oxygen, which normally took them away within 15-20 minutes, but was not always affective.  I was not taking any medication due to the fact I was nursing.  Without hardly any relief, I went back to my doc and he prescribed me Prednisone, which worked great!  The only time I do not get headaches is when I'm on a steroid treatment.  But once the treatment is over, in about a week I start  getting the headaches again.  Now I am on 240 milligrams of Verapamil a day, broken up into 3 doses.  I have been taking this for about  3 weeks, and up until last week, my headaches are not any better.  I am hoping that within the next few weeks I will hopefully have some relief.  I have great support from my husband and family.  They are all very helpful and understanding.  I carry my oxygen tank with me wherever I go in fear of an attack when I am out.  I hate having to lug it around but I don't want to be house bound either.  I have also tried intranasal lidocaine, which did very little, and I tried Imitrex once but gave me a burning sensation in my neck.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jun 4th, 2012 at 6:18pm
Welcome to the board! Suggest you read this link just to make sure you're getting the maximum benefit from your 02:


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Many find by tweaking HOW they use 02, they can increase its effectiveness and speed up the aborts. Are you using a high flow rate and a Non re breather mask?

Next, go to the medications section of this board and read the post "123 pain free days and i think I know why." It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff, that’s providing a lot of relief for people who have tried it, it’s a long read, worth the time.

Welcome to the board, so glad you found us!

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Tussilago on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:04pm
I'm from Sweden, 27 and female.

I've been diagnosed by a senior doctor in neurology with cluster headache, basilar migraine and tension headache.
I get attacks that last anything from 15 min to normally 5-6h but have been in hospital for attacks that lasted 20-24h where I've lost movement on one side of the body, lost speech and consciousness. These stranger symptoms are explained by the basilar migraine which is an unusual and pretty nasty form of migraine.

I've tried Zomig, Imigran, different types of morphines (before they figured out what was wrong with me), am currently on bamyl and verapamile... and at this point a few days away from getting my own oxygen equipment.

It took 9 years to get a diagnosis and as I've had a lot of sceptic and negative reactions to my pain level I've avoided seeking medical help till it became absolutely impossible to not do so.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by ckev on Jun 11th, 2012 at 10:34am
I found this sight last night after dancing with the devil 3 times over the weekend. I am a 55 year old man who started getting these hellashish clusters in Nov 2010. THANK GOD my doctor recognized the symptoms and correctly diagnosed me when I saw him. (I had 2 headaches before I could get in for an appointment) I truly felt I was beginging the decent towards death - didn't know why or what - but thought that pain like this could only be leading towards the end of time for me.
He started me with one pill of MAXALT - MLT 10 MG OD tablets.
These are about $50.00 a pill with no insurance, $30.00 with - the catch is - the insurance only approves 6 every 2 weeks... I've used 6 in 2 days.
I battled these for 4 months, then suddenly, they dissappeared.came back in Nov. 2011 - but only for 2 months, and now, here is June2012 and the Devil has returned.
Knowing that all of you understand the intense amount of pain and knowing that I'm not the only one having it helps. After reading the message board for hours last night, I decided to write my Doctor a well deserved THANK YOU Letter for nailing my diagnosis on the first visit.
The MAXALT will begin to bring the pain down in about 10 minutes, and I can function again in about 20 - Oxygen helps my recovery too. I swear it feels like a year or two of life gets sucked out of me with each episode.
My heart goes out to each and everyone one and your families. Thanks for the web site.
Kevin   ckev11@yahoo.com

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Tussilago on Jun 11th, 2012 at 1:38pm
Hai chekev, have you tested stuff like the ice packages, the coffeine (red bull or other types), the vitamine D3 and omega 3 regime?

All that stuff can be obtained cheaper to add in... but is ofc NO substitute to the medicine ur pro doc wants u to use. :)

I've currently been told my own oxygen will be delivered for the first time on thursday... and it's the proper 15 litres/min flow rate stuff!

That's another thing, don't let them do to u what they did to me... "u don't need that high" and put it on anything from 2 or 3 or 6 to 16 being a total gamble.

What else? Stay strong and stick with it. ;)

U on any prophylactics?

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Budbuds Mommom on Jun 19th, 2012 at 10:32pm
Hi my name is Valerie and I live in Indianapolis, IN. I was diagnosed with clusters last week by my new headache specialist. I've thought that's what they were for a while now. Been having headaches for about 9 years now. He put me on indomethacin er 75mg 1/day, cymbalta 60mg 1/day, trileptal 300mg 2/day, gabapentin 300mg 2/day, and zanaflex 4mg 1/day. Anyone have any thoughts on these? I am able to work still but it takes all I have in me to not go completely crazy. I am having 4 to 8 headaches a day. I'm not very familiar with treatments for clusters. I'd like to see if someone in my area has clusters that could help me out. I am pretty much dealing with this by myself. I have family here but they don't understand.
Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by tw2727 on Jun 21st, 2012 at 3:15am
Hi my name is Todd and I live in NY. I have found this website to be a wealth of knowledge and want to thank everyone for the info. I'm currently a month into my cycle and I feel like its never going to end. I really can't take it anymore. I've had these headaches for over 10 years but the past few they seem to get worse. I was diagnosed last year by neuro and have Imitrex as a prescription. I have made an appt to go back because I am interested in trying the O2. I read the 123 thread and have started the Vitamin D fish oil, but 10000 ius seems high. I had bloodworm done recently and my Vit D was low. I'm trying 2500 of Vit D with fish oil. I'm 33 and I otherwise good health. Does anyone else have scalp tenderness to the touch on the side that you get your CH? I'm praying this cycles ends soon because it's driving me mad, I dread going to sleep and am worried all day about getting another one.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Budbuds Mommom on Jun 21st, 2012 at 1:37pm
I have scalp tenderness and numbness on my ch side too.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jun 21st, 2012 at 4:54pm
Welcome Todd, and welcome Valerie! Valerie, these are the docs we have listed near you who other CH sufferes have had success with:

Indiana
Indianapolis:
Dr. Robert J. Alonso
Indiana Clinic Neurology
Dr. Bette G Maybury

Merrillville:
Dr. Kathryn A. Hanlon
Northern Indiana Neurological
Dr.Larry Salberg
Northern Indiana Neurological
New Albany:
Dr. Joseph F. Seipel

Read everything you can on this board, but most importantly, get to  qualified headache specialist. there's so much available now but your basic GP is a poor bet to get access to any of it.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by jdav360 on Jun 28th, 2012 at 1:41pm
Hello Everyone...just joined today. I live in Mooresville, IN (just outside of Indianapolis). I was diagnosed with cluster headaches back in 2008 after several trips to the ER on consecutive days. Each day I thought I was having a stroke or something because the pain was so intense. I had experienced similiar pain the previous year, but had suffered through them because they were not too intense. On the second trip to the ER, the doctor on staff diagnosed me with cluster headaches, and wrote me a prescription for Norco, Imitrex self injection, and prednazone. The prescription was for only 3 doses of Imitrex, which of course I was out of in 3 days. The Imitrex worked almost instantly, and I tried to save the doses for the more severe ones (which usually occurred at night). I then called to see if I could get a refill of the Imitrex, which the doctor obliged, however, my insurance would not pay for it. The doctor referred me to a Neurologist. (sorry I cannot provide any additional specific information, this happened 4 years ago, and I did not keep track of anything back then.) I called the Neurologist, and scheduled an appointment, however they could not get me in for almost a month. Well, the "cluster period" only lasted about another 2 weeks, so I decided to cancel the appointment. After doing a little research, I decided it really wasn't worth my time to try and get into a neurologist or ER for meds when clusters were going to only last about a month. Figured I would just deal with them.

The headaches came back the next year, but not the same time of year as the previous two. The previous two years, the headaches occurred in November, so I thought maybe it had something to do with the change of seasons. In 2009 though, they started up in July, and they weren't like the previous two years. The previous two years, they started out as just an annoying pain at the same time every night. Then they would be "mild", then pretty bad, then just gone. Not this time. These came on strong immediately, and were by far the worst incidents I have had. I had to bury my head in my pillow and scream, and felt like beating my head against the wall (which I actually did one evening). The duration was 2-3 hours each night, around 11, every night, for about 2 weeks.

I have been pretty lucky since then. Until the last month, I had only had 2 occurrences of the headaches since July of 2009. In fact, I had almost forgotten about them completely until about two weeks ago. Once again, the headaches are back, and once again, the pattern has changed. I still have the most severe ones at night time, but I am having up to 4 a day now. I have been woken up in the middle of the night with them, and really there seems to be no pattern to them whatsoever.

I feel fortunate that this round so far I have only had 3 fairly severe incidents. But I do have some questions...

1. Alcohol / tabacco use. I have read that alcohol can bring these on. However, the more severe occurrences have happened when I have not had anything to drink in several days. In fact, it seems sometimes that if a headache is coming on, a few shots of whiskey nips it in the bud. Then again, on the other hand, I almost always get one when I have a few drinks. If I stop drinking, they get worse, if I keep on drinking, they don't seem to intensify. So I am really confused about the effects of alcohol on these, and if there is an medicinal benefit. Also, I am a smoker. I had an occurrence last night that was pretty severe, and the only thing that at least got my mind off of it was constantly smoking (ya ya i know I know...thats not good for you regardless...). Does tobacco use increase the risk?

2. Treatement. Ok, so whats the course of treatment for these? Is there a way to prevent them? Is there medications that actually work (besides the Imitrix, which I simply cannot afford...I am not a wealthy man and have 4 children). Should I see a Neurologist or will just a primary care physician do?

3. Can these be related to stress at all? In 2007 me and my wife seperated, in 2008, my wife left me, in 2009 there were multiple issues. In the past two months, I have had a baby (colliky at that), moved, been given hell by my HR department about taking leave to care for my son, and dealt with Post-Partum Depression with my girlfriend.

I look forward to browsing the forums and picking up as much info as possible. But since I am fairly new to this, any Information that you guys can give me right of the bat would be great!

Thanks!
Jeremiah

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Sean1973 on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 10:05am
Hi, everybody.  My name is Sean and I live in Evansville, IN.  I was diagnosed CH's by my PCP in 2008, Dr. Randal Oliver.  Fortunately for me he is a CH sufferer as well and specializes in pain management.  He immediately put me on depakote and prednisone and imitrex.  My first cycle lasted a couple of weeks.  Went 18 months between cycles, until 10/09.  That cycle lasted one month and I was given 2 occipital nerve blocks.  The second one seemed to stop the cycle. 

Next cycle didn't hit until April of this year.  Continued with depakote/prednisone/imitrex but the cycle was continuing.  Dr. Oliver told me to stop the depakote/prednisone and I again had 2 nerve blocks, only this time they didn't seem to work. 

I started with a new PCP in 2010 and he knows my history.  He put my on Elavil and Flexeril and the cycle stopped.  I don't know for sure if it was the new meds or if it was just the end of the cycle, which again lasted one month.

I'm sure somebody out there has been put on elavil.  Any pros/cons?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 2:32pm
Jeremiah, Sorry I missed your post! Definitely get to the neurologist. CH is a lifetime afflcition, it will most likely keep coming back, chainging in duration, intensity and timing. The sooner you start working with a specialist the better. There are hundreds of headache types, some which mimic CH, and it’s important to eliminate those before arriving at a firm diagnosis.

I’ve had CH for 34years, they haven’t killed me yet! You need an organized approach to managing them so they don’t manage your life. I use a 3 pronged approach, many use a similar approach:

1: A good prevent med. A med I take daily, while on cycle, to reduce the number and intensity of my attacks. I use lithium, it blocks 60-70% of my attack. Verapamil is the most common first line prevent, topomax also has a loyal following. Some have to combine lithium and verapamil together to get relief.

2: A transitional med. Most prevents will take up to 2 weeks to become effective. I go on a prednisone taper, from 80 mg to zero over a two week period to give me a break while my prevent builds up. Prednisone will provide up to 100% relief for many CH’ers but is harsh on the system and should only be used for short periods of time.

3: An abortive therapy, the attack starts, now what? Oxygen should be your first line abortive. Breathing pure 02 will abort an attack for me in less then 10 minutes, that’s completely pain free. Read this link as it must be used correctly or it will not work

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Imitrex nasal spray and injectables are very effective abortives. I use the injectables, they’re expensive, and I rarely use them, mostly just when I get caught away from the oxygen. The pill form generally works too slow to be effective for CH’ers.

Go to the medications section of this board and read the post " Anti-Inflammatory Regimen and Survey” It’s a vitamin/mineral/fish oil supplement, all over the counter stuff, that’s providing a lot of relief for people who have tried it, it’s healthy for you even without CH!

For now, get some energy drinks. Rock Star, Monster, any containing the combo of caffeine and taurine, chug it down as fast as you can when you feel an attack starting. Many can abort or at least really reduce an attack using these.

Finally, visit our sister board for “alternative” treatment methods outside of mainstream medicine. As you’ll see from all the success stories on this board, there is something to it.

clusterbusters.com


Read everything you can on this board, if you are a CH’er, knowledge is your best ally. We’ll help you all we can.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Batch on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 3:18pm
TW2727,

From the data we've collected on the anti-inflammatory regimen over the last 18 months, 2,500 IU/day vitamin D3 is likely too low a dose to build your 25(OH)D to levels high enough to prevent cluster headaches... 

Your skin makes 15,000 IU vitamin D3 in as little as 10 minutes if you go outside in a bathing suit at mid day in full sun light without sun block.

Most CH'ers who go pain free on the anti-inflammatory regimen find 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 works just fine.  Some chronic CH'ers need 20,000 IU/day...  So far, these doses of vitamin D3 have been well tolerated...

Look at the following graph of 25(OH)D response to 1,000, 5,000 and 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3.

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Based on this graph, it can take 5 months to elevate 25(OH)D to 60 ng/mL where most episodic CH'res go pain free...  at 5,000 IU/day of vitamin D3.  A dose of 2,500 IU/day vitamin D3 will not get you there.

The range of 25(OH)D concentrations reported by CH'ers who have gone pain free on this regimen or experienced a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH is 60 to 110 ng/mL.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Brew on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 10:38pm
Real, real good.

Clean up in aisle 12.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 4th, 2012 at 12:57am
It's as if he never existed! ;)

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by jdav360 on Jul 5th, 2012 at 11:09am
Joe, thanks for the reply. So it seems that I need to follow both yours and my girlfriends advice and make an appointment with a neurologist. Since it can take quite some time to get in to see them, will they still be able to diagnose the headaches even if they are not occurring at the time?

Energy drinks huh? I like those anyways! Only problem with that is these usually occur about 10-11 pm, and I get up at 4:30 for work. Those might make it a little difficult to get back to sleep.

I'll check out the link you added as well as the message boards here...looks like the best thing for me right now is just to break down and make the appoinment...

Thanks again for the reply!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Guiseppi on Jul 5th, 2012 at 11:22am
Absolutely go with the neuro appointment. Try and find a "Headache Specialist Neurologist" as headaches are a very complex and unique field of practice.

If you're not already doing so, keep a VERY detailed headache diary. When the headaches start, how fast they build, how high the pain builds, this is a great scale to use:

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How long the pain stays at peak, how fast it recedes. What type of pain, stabbing, pounding etc., where is the pain located, any secondary symptoms you observe with your eyes or sinuses, any triggers you have established, diet or environmental, what meds have and have not helped. Every detail you can think of. The primary diagnosis of CH is in the symptoms, and in the ELIMINATION of any other physical factors. So DEFINITELY  keep the appoinment with the neuro, on or off cycle.

Wishing you a short go round this cycle and a swift diagnosis.

Joe

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by brandib on Jul 16th, 2012 at 1:27pm




Thank you Joe for the reply.  I am using a regular face mask and recently had my oxygen bumped up to 15 liters per minute.  I was told they do not have concentrators that go that high so I have this huge tank of liquid oxygen in my foyer..lol.  My nuerologist recently diagnosed me with chronic cluster headache, and I am taking 480 mg of Verapamil per day, along with the oxygen.  He also prescribed me Migranal in the nasal form and also Indocin as a backup.  I have not tried the Migranal or Indicin yet.  If anyone reading this has tried either Migranal or Indicin I would love some feedback on your experiences with them.  Right now Im on day 5 of no headaches, but never go longer than 7-10 days without them coming back so time will tell if my meds are working or not. Im hoping they will.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by daydi on Jul 23rd, 2012 at 5:44pm
Hello I am Daydi, and I am from Los Angeles CA. I am a wife/mother and a grad student.  I was diagnosed 3 years ago by a neurologist, I had cat-scans, all sorts of tests and by the time they figured out what it was it went into remission. The funny thing was, he didnt know what was wrong, and my husband had to go online and find out based on my symptoms. We went back and we kept track of everything that i went through. Finally he agreed that it was CH, his problem with agreeing was becasue I am a woman, and this disease is something more commonly found in men.  This is my second cycle i was in remission for 3 years. I have tried Imatrix, topomax (which caused all sorts of other issues), verapimil,  suratriptan, I took linsinopril, and now i am on Norvacs. They have to give me small dosages of that like 2.5 of Norvacs because my blood pressure is low.  Nothing works. I take motrin, tylenol, advil and none of them work. IDK what the trigger was but I don't drink or do drugs, or smoke, I need help. I haven't tried alternative drugs or treatments and I am now ready to.
I honestly am afraid to leave my home now, they are so unpredictable.
I hope that this was enough info to get some help.


Daydi

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by HazBazUK on Jul 25th, 2012 at 7:08am
Hi. My name is Harry. I live in the United Kingdom. I'm 28 years old. I started suffering from severe headaches about 3 years ago now. It seemed to start after I left a tooth a little too long before having a root canal done on it but that may have just been convenient timing. After 3 years, 10's of doctors and dentists visits, 4 teeth being removed on the right hand side of my mouth including surgery, misdiagnosed as suffering from Trigeminal Neuralgia, and an awful lot of pain, I have now diagnosed MYSELF as suffering from cluster headache disorder. And the doctors are agreeing and finally starting to take note. About time.  >:(

While searching on the Trigeminal Neuralgia UK societys homepage, I came across the section entitled 'Other possible causes of your pain' section. I was lucky to find it. But I am so glad I did. My symptoms and profile just fit cluster headache perfectly. 28 year old male. Up until 3 1/2 weeks ago I was a smoker... (I swear the nicotine patches I am using are the cause of my current bout of headaches...). I have bouts of headaches usually lasting between 2 - 6 weeks at a time. I generally have around 4 attacks a day. They last 45 mins at a time. They only occur on the right hand side of my head and face. The pain is truly sadistic in nature. I broke 3 fingers on my right hand at the same time, and that was NOTHING compared. They mostly come at night, mostly. Usually an hour after I fall asleep. Remission will happen suddenly, and then I will forget they ever happened, until they come back. Oh, and alcohol makes it WORSE! So I am quitting drinking. And that my mean, FOREVER! (but I doubt it...  ::))

Other than these headaches I am the picture of health. A little depressed maybe. My life recently has been a bit topsy turvy. And this current bout of headaches is not helping matters. But i'm sure everything will be ok. Going back to university in september to study to be a teacher.

In terms of treatments, its early days. Painkillers I have used for a long time... But of course, they do JACK. Due to being misdiagnosed with TN I was on 200mg carbamazepine a day, up until three days ago. I am now tapering my dose off under the advice of my doctor and the new diagnosis. I had tried low does TriCyclic antidepressants as well. But to no affect. I have been prescribed Zolmitriptan nasal sprays to try and control the attacks when they occur. Had one last night, it kinda helped, I guess...  :-/  not really sure. I am seeing the doctor again on Thursday to discuss preventative medication. Like I said, I have only just been correctly diagnosed... So its early days.

No alternative treatments as yet. Early days.

In terms of limitations, I try and lead as normal life as possible. Thankfully I am an episodic sufferer. I do have remissive periods. (My heart truly goes out to any chronic sufferers out there. I cannot imagine what life must be like for you... My eyes are welling up a little even thinking about it.)  :'(

When going through a bout of headaches, it badly affects my sleeping patterns. Its obviously inadvisable to drink alcohol, at all... But i've only just found that out. So it has affected social occasions and visits to the pub on more than one occasion. It affected my relationship with my ex girlfriend (but wasn't the reason she became an ex!  :-*) because she couldn't help me and it must have been horrifying to see me pacing, whimpering and in such horrible pain at times. And when I am in a bout, I am truly TERRIFIED of the headaches. That clawing, knawing, anxious fear of having an attack... I feel my temple twinging right now even thinking about it!   :o

In terms of social support, its hard. I have family around me, and they are being very supportive. My parents live in Hong Kong. Going to see them on Friday... Should be nice. Dreading the flights though, if I have an attack! Still... we will see.

I now have a much better understanding of cluster and its treatments thanks to this website. And the excellent information contained on it. I am moving to Sheffield, UK in around 6 weeks, and they have a world class neurology centre there. I am looking forward to actually seeing a neurologist/pain specialist/headache specialist who knows about these things and can actually advise me properly. Rather than dentists/GPs who know very little.

I have started a headache diary. I have tried before but now I will be really meticulous about it. It is reasonably comprehensive. I have no idea what my triggers are really. Except for sleep and alcohol. Sometimes eating will trigger it off... but i'm not really sure what foods. Perhaps it is just the motions of eating?

Well, thats me. Hello! Thanks for being here! Its nice to know that i'm not alone, and that I finally know what I am suffering from. Its better to know than not IMO.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by kkaseygyrl on Aug 6th, 2012 at 7:04am
Hello, My name is Kasey.  I am a 32 year old married female from Pennsylvania.  I am new to this site, but not to this Hell.  A few years ago, they sent me for a C.T. of my brain, and all kinds of blood work, only to find nothing.
This time, my family doctor diagosed it right away.  Treated with prednisone and Maxault.  Well, I finished both and had no relief.  So my next step was to go to the E.R... HUGE mistake.  After 2 rounds of morphine, a round of percaset and an i.v. drip of dilaudid all the while on oxygen, they decided that this was not the correct corse of treatment.  So they sent me for a head C.T. and when that came back clear then came the lumbar puncture.  After that came back clean, they were going to discharge me with a prescription for percaset.  MY husband FLIPPED!  He said we are going on the 3rd week of these headaches and somebody has to tell us why.  So they admitted me.  They discharged me 2 days later with prescriptions for imitrex and topamax.  I was back in the e.r. the next day.  What did they do?  Gave me I.V. dilaudid!  Came back in 20 minutes and asked me how my headache was.  I said well judging from the fact that I can't feel my head, I guess pretty good.. So they sent me home, again

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by -dvb- on Aug 6th, 2012 at 10:35am
Welcome Casey,

   The ER can prove to be incredibly frustrating and nearly useless. Head over to the "Medications, Treatments, Therapies" section of the board and read the post "123 Days PF and I Think I Know Why". It is a Vitamin D regimen that alot of us are finding relief with. It's a long read, but worth the time.
-dvb

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by ni4ni on Aug 6th, 2012 at 10:16pm
Hi everyone. I am 28 male from Arkansas (40 miles from Memphis). In 2007, I started having horrible headaches. Upon checking the internet and medical journals for answers, I diagnosed myself with Episodic Cluster Headaches. At the time, I worked for a hospital so I confirmed with a negative CT and several doctor's exams. My first documented cycle lasted 10 days. My next documented cycle occurred almost one year later and lasted approximately one week. Following that, I was cluster free until last week (I know I am one of the lucky ones.) I saw my primary care physcian today. I received IM inj Decadron/Depomedrol, changed my BP med from Lotrel to Verapamil and am being referred to a neurologist. I picked the neurologist because I know he is a headache sufferer as well.

Any advice for a newbie?

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Batch on Aug 7th, 2012 at 2:57am
Casey and ni4ni,

We know what you're going through and the good news is it doesn't need to be that way.  The odds are you are vitamin D3 deficient and that deficiency is contributing to the terrible headaches you're experiencing.

See your PCP or neurologist for the lab test for 25-Hydroxyvitamin D, a.k.a. 25(OH)D.  This is a metabolite of vitamin D3 that is most frequently used to measure it's status.

The normal reference range for this diagnostic lab test is 30-100 ng/mL in the US and 50-200 nmol/L in the UK and Europe.

Most cluster headache sufferers (CH'ers), who are deficient in vitamin D3, find relief taking the following regimen of supplements.  Some CH'ers respond in 24 to 48 hours while the majority have a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH in less than two weeks.

The exciting news is 76% of the 200 CH'ers who have started this regimen have experienced a significant reduction in the frequency and severity of their CH when they've taken enough vitamin D3 and the cofactors to elevate their serum concentration of 25(OH)D into the range of 60 to 110 ng/mL, 150 to 225 nmol/L.  Most of the episodic CH'ers have gone pain free on this regimen well ahead of their normal cycle end date.  Chronic CH'ers take a little longer but they respond as well.

The complete regimen consists of the following supplements:

Most of these supplements are available at pharmacies, major supermarkets, health food stores, and over the Internet.  Citracal Plus has a similar formulation to the Kirkland brand of calcium citrate available at Costco.

Omega 3 Fish Oil - 2000 to 2400 mg/day (EPA 360
                            mg/day, DHA 240 mg/day)
Vitamin D3 *        - 10,000 IU/day
Calcium **           - 500 mg/day (calcium citrate preferred)
Magnesium           - 400 mg/day (magnesium citrate
                                    or magnesium gluconate)
Vitamin K2 ***     - 120 mcg/day
Vitamin A ****     - 900 mcg (3,000 IU) for men and
                           - 700 mcg (2,333 IU) for women
Zinc                     - 10 mg/day
Boron                   -   1 mg/day

Please see the following link for more details on dosing, dosing strategy and interactions:

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The complete regimen costs less than 30 cents a day...  If you want to see what other CH'ers are saying about their experience with this regimen, please see the following link:

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This link will take you to the most recent posts.  Work your way backwards in time by clicking on the previous page number in the green bar at the bottom of the page in the link above.

Again, we know what you're going through and this regimen has very good odds of bringing you relief and sending the CH beast on the run.

Take care and please keep us posted as you proceed.

V/R, Batch

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Stef on Aug 8th, 2012 at 2:43pm
Hi my name is Stef and I'm from Mont-Joli, Quebec. I've been diagnosed with CH about 10 years ago when I was 29.

After seeing all other ressources available concerning headaches I met a neuro at the Clinique de la Migraine in Montreal that immediatly saw the problem! I was put on Verap for preventive and Imitrex pills for abortive. Imitrex pills did not work very well since too long to be effective and gave me some little heart problem...

I've been having spring and fall cycle for the 7 years following the diagnosis and then pain free for almost 2 years but the beast came back last year and since I moved eastern Quebec I had to get a new family doctor that did'nt know anything about CH so I educated her on what I knew about it and was put on prednisone 80mg tapper and verap 480mg for preventive and nasal spray Zomig as an abortive that work best if taken at the first sight of an attack which is not always easy since I'm getting twice a day; one around 7pm and the other around 6am...  This recipe worked great last year but I had another cycle that started about 6 weeks ago that ran for about 4 weeks with only 1 attack/day which is not familiar to me that was harder to broke with the current recipe! And talking about harder to broke, last monday IT came back again but this time the pain moved from the left side to the right side of my head which always does at the fall cycle and got attacked at least twice a day sine then with Kip7-8 attack... So back on 80mg prednisone tapper, 480 verap and a good supply of nasal spray Zomig to get rid of them, but this time I've loaded the fridge with water and energy drinks to see if those will work for me to abort attacks...

As you can see I'm not a newbie to CH or this site but I've tend to forget this site like the pain when it left for almost 2 years... like all the periodic sufferer are doing!

It's nice to see this site is still up and running and that the same people that were here 2 years ago to help are still devoted to this cause!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Melissa on Aug 9th, 2012 at 10:58pm
Hello to everyone!  Glad to see so many educating their doctors and taking control of their life back!

I'm sorry for your pain, but so glad you found us.  Hopefully something you find here will help you!  I know it has me.

Take care,
:)Mel

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Post by in_rainbows on Aug 14th, 2012 at 4:33pm
Hey folks
I haven't yet formally been diagnosed with CH, but finally been referred to a headache specialist today.  I had my first bout of headaches in June 2003, I can remember the first one thinking I was having a brain hemorage or something.
Although I'm not that great at keeping records I typically get one bout a year usually in late spring to early summer lasting around 6 weeks, with one headache per day, mostly around 830pm (although 10am is starting to be a new favorite). Occasionally I will get one around 1am although much less frequently. Usually, if untreated will last 2-3 hours with all the other typical symptoms, intense unilateral pain, blocked nose on same side, eye watering heavily etc etc.

Over the years I've visited a lot of different GPs explaing the exact symptoms without ever a mention of CHs but every other diagnosis of tension headaches migraine etc etc, probably a lot my own fault as I've never been persistent enough about getting treatment, and then they're gone for another year and lifes great again and i completely forget they even exist.

Current bout started July 27th and been daily since then, was prescribed zomig nasal 5mg which has been working great most of the time but been told I can't have anymore due to possible side effects, i have 6 left which I'm going to try to not use unless i have to, could be several weaks until I get to see a specialist & I'm all out of ideas...

I'm from Northampton, UK btw

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Texas14 on Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:44pm
Name is tex, I've been fighting the "demon" 20 years and counting. Reading some of the others descriptions make me smile/cry knowing there is others out there dealing with this same crap!!! Diagnosed when I was nine, I remember my first episode..... Banging my head into the wall screaming like I was going to die, little did I know 20 years later some days I pray and beg for it. I am one of the "lucky" peeps that are chronic... Longest stretch was 2 years of two a days followed by three months of re-mish. I know we all have our own ways of fighting the beast, although light weight UFC gloves combat the self inflicted black eyes (not kidding). I guess I don't think I need advice since what works for one rarely works for all. I hope everybody finds this message well and in between attacks. Thanks for the vent and hope to chat soon!

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Dan O on Aug 19th, 2012 at 11:09am
I am a 50 yr old male who has been suffering from clusters for about 10 yrs.  I live near Boston, Mass and have been diagnosed by a neurologist, Dr Lieberman, since 2004.  I have tried imitrex, zomig, sumatripan, verapamil, indomethacin, oxygen and many other meds but get little to no relief, as the majority of my headaches come on at night while asleep, thus missing the window of the "onset".  Recently tried massage therapy.  It seemed to help a bit at first but the headaches continue on.  If nothing else it was extremely relaxing even if it didn't last.  As I get older, they are more frequent, more severe and I get up to 3 a day when in a cycle.  My cycles generally last 5 weeks.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Ricky on Aug 23rd, 2012 at 5:50pm
Hi everyone,
        My name is Ricky McConnell, I am 42 years old and live in Murfreesboro Tn. I was diagnosed four years ago with cluster  headaches. I get them about twice a year right now. It has been a year since my last cycle, and i am going thru one now. I am taking Isometh-D-ChloralPhenz-Apap. It is used for migrane sufferers i think. I usually get two or three headaches  a day, mostly 2 hours after i go to bed, around 1-2 am. The ones in this cycle seem to be worse than the last. Does anyone know if they get worse the longer you have had them ? I just found this sight today and i look forward to maybe finding a more effective drug or treatment.

                            Ricky

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Hamby on Aug 24th, 2012 at 10:53am
Hi Everyone.  I live in Columbus, OH, am a 41 year old male and have 3 kids.

I was diagnosed yesterday (23Aug2012) with CH by my primary care doctor.  She is scripting me a steroid taper, but she hasn't called it in yet (been to CVS twice now).  I hope to go get it this morning  >:(.  I am also going for an MRI of my head.

In 2001, I had a few of these headaches over a 2-3 week period.  My doctor at the time diagnosed me with migraines and gave me Imitrex.  Over the years I have had periods where I had these headaches, but never like the current episode, so I didn't seek additional treatment or care (although I went to the ER a few times).

So, 9 days ago I started having these headaches.  They are always the same in presentation, but the time of onset has varied a little.  I have had 12 of them in the last 9 days.  Essentially, they are behind my left eye, cause tearing and a runny nose.  The pain is sharp, like a knife.  It takes 20-40 minutes to ramp up to maximum intensity and then lasts about 1-2 hours.  Then they are gone as fast as they arrived.  I'm completely pain free between headaches.

The timing does vary.  I have had 3 during the day, all 3 starting at about 2 pm.  The nighttime ones come between 9pm at the earliest to 2am at the latest.  But most have come between midnight and 1am.  They wake me from sleep.

As of now, I am tired from interrupted sleep.  It is affecting my work productivity.  I feel hazy or fuzzy, like my memory is affected.  I miss work when the headaches come during the day.  And I have constant anxiety that another episode is coming.

I am new to CH's and am a true newbie.  I've heard of them before and know there are often referred to as Suicide Headaches.  Now I know why.  I lurked yesterday in the forums and tried to find online info.  But, this is all very overwhelming and anxiety producing.

I've taken all the OTC meds, but nothing helps.  I even had a few percocets (3) left over from an old surgery.  They didn't help either - in fact, all they did was ensure that I couldn't sleep after my headache was over. 

I have seen treatments in the forum here and may ask for O2.  My only question at this point is:

Do steroid tapers often work?  How long do they take to work?

Thank you so much.  I am grateful to have a place to find support.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Aug 24th, 2012 at 3:36pm
Hi Hamby

CH is something that most people need to work with a headache specialist for as it's pretty rare and even most neurologists just don't have the training or experience in this area.

A steroid taper will normally be pretty effective in a day or two at blocking off CHs, however you should be starting a longer term preventive, like verapamil, lithium or topomax in this period which gives it time to build up to an effective dose before the steroid taper completes.

Your experience with OTC meds is very common. Even the strongest narcotic painkillers hardly touch the pain of a CH, which is why we try to abort our CHs as quickly as possible using something like oxygen or imitrex injections.

You've found a place where everyone does understand CH. Keep reading and asking questions.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Hamby on Aug 26th, 2012 at 12:19am
Thank you Mike. I will be calling my primary doctor on Monday to get a neurologist referral. I see on the Ouch website that there is a doc in my town who is recommended.

I started my steroid taper on August 24th. 24mg methylprednisolone. Dose is tapered by 4mg per day for 6 days. I do not have a script for any preventative therapy. I had a CH last night despite my first dose of the taper. Now I'm afraid to go to sleep.

Thank you for the advice. This is a great website

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by amtphd on Aug 31st, 2012 at 9:04pm
Hi. I have been a member for a while, but without posting. I am headache free at the moment, so it seemed like a good time to put down the basic info. I am 55, live in Guelph which is just west of Toronto in Ontario Canada. I have suffered from episodic cluster headache for many years, but of course it was not diagnosed for some time. I've had sinus surgery (useless) and a myriad of allergy pills, stress pills etc. I read about cluster one day about 12 years ago and asked my then new family doctor. He's great. He said "I'm not an expert, but it sounds reasonable." He sent me to a neurologist who confirmed.
When I am in a cluster cycle I get hit about 90 minutes after I go to sleep. I take verapamil while in cycle and zomig during attacks. I am a big believer in oxygen, it has been a life saver for me. I am lucky I guess that now the headaches don't reach the 8-10 level, they peak at a wildly uncomfortable but coping possible levels. My cycles last about 6 weeks and then disappear for 12-18 months. The gap seems to be getting longer (fingers crossed).

I have started the vitamin D program Batch suggested. I had been taking D for a while, but have upped it and added the other factors. I have not found the red bull approach helps, but I drink a lot of coffee so perhaps it is hard to make a difference.

I have found that at this point the cycles are horrible, but I can keep working and during the day function reasonably well. I am, just tired. The nights are horrible, but with O2, verapamil and zomig I have reduced the hits to one or maybe 2 a night.

I came out of my last cycle at the end of June, so I am hoping for a long break, but I am always curious about what is going on in the cluster world.

Sorry for a long post, but I tried to be thorough.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Clusterman59 on Sep 11th, 2012 at 3:52pm
Hey Guys, I am going to attempt to tell you a bit about my Cluster history and Meds... Right now I am being treated by Dr.Gene Kallenberg President of family medicine at UCSD San Diego California. He has been treating me for about 8 years for 17 operations I had all major and has been treating me for my Clusters for 8 years as well. I am now using topirimate 400mg daily with some success and pure 02 for several years now. Both the 02 and the topirimate are not working well anymore.
In the past I have used prednisone, ergomar, and my Dads a dentist and gave me novacaine blocks all with no success and imitrex with good success but was only offered tablets and with 20+ clusters daily they thought it was to dangerous to take so much of it . I was never offered injections....This was about 5 years ago and I don't know if they were available. Before Dr. Kallenberg I suffered because in the beginning when i was 15 till iwas 30 i was never diagnosed properly and was told I had some kind of "Super Migrain" thats exactly what the neurologist said and prescribed codine??? That did nothing but give me horrendous rebound headaches so what I ended up with was going to a hypnotist who taught me self hypnoses and and taking 200 excedrin weekly and getting ulcers I had 3 by the time I was 30. I then went into a 3 year remission and when they came back i now get them every year from April to Oct.
Guy's I am scared out of my mind! The clusters I am getting now are so much worse! Over the last year they have gradually have gotten worse and worse and especially over the last three months and last night was the kicker!! I thought my eye was bleeding and nose and was partially blind even in my other eye?? that is a new symptom and has happened twice now were I can't see 6" in front of my face and I was on the ground screaming which I used to do all the time when i was a kid but learned to hold in the screams, but not these clusters just way to powerful!, also duration is a bit longer than normal. Normally they last about 15 to 30 minutes and the last 10 have lasted about 30 to 40 minutes.
What do you think is happening to me? Do you think it's time for a specialist? From what I have read I thought Clusters were supposed to get better with age not worse?

John Fletcher 4459 Clairemont Dr.
San Diego, Ca. 92117
858-886-7805

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Mike NZ on Sep 12th, 2012 at 4:01am
Yes, it's time to see a neurologist who specializes in headaches to get an understanding of what is happening and why, then the right treatment for you now.

CH durations do vary, lasting up to 3 hours for some when not aborted, so durations of 40 minutes are not exceptional.

For your oxygen use, have you read the oxygen instructions on the link on the left? (START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE)

It is pretty common for CH to change over time, however when there are significant changes it is well worth getting a doctor to review things.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by AvonAng on Sep 12th, 2012 at 11:53am
Good morning, all. My name is Angie and I say good morning because it is 8 am here in Tacoma, WA.  In the last four years, I have had periods of headaches/migraines off and on and have been diagnosed (or misdiagnosed) with a sinus infection.  My attacks happen for a period of 3-5 weeks usually separated by 6-8 months of relief. Usually prescribed an antibiotic with a pain killer such as hydrocodone and an over the counter medication like Mucinex. As of my recent attack, I began my research into my symptoms. Which has brought me here to you.

As a smoker, it was easy for me to believe that it might be a sinus infection although I never ran a fever and my lymph nodes were never swollen. My attacks usually occurred around stressful situations, ie. a big revenue audit, husband being laid off, etc. I've even went as far as to go to the dentist and had him remove a wisdom tooth here and there. I have no more wisdom teeth, not much stress, and was very frustrated when the attack I am now in, was diagnosed (again) as a severe sinus infection.

My headaches started three weeks ago just as that. Tolerable pain, two to three times a day, that usually went away within a half hour or so with the use of Ibuprofen 800. Then it happened. I awoke one night at 11:30pm with a pounding ache in the left side of my face that forced me out of bed to find relief. I grabbed a handful of IB800's (2 or 3 - I don't remember), a piece of toast, and an cold pack from the freezer. I keep these on hand at all times. As I sat there on the couch, rocking back and forth with this ice pack on my head in the dark, I cried.  What the hell is wrong with me? Not again?

I have tried to retrace my steps in the past weeks to see if I could relate the attack to something I did, ate, or was around that could have triggered it.  Finally, 45 minutes later I drift off only to be awaken 2 hours later with the same agonizing, throbbing, pain in the left side of my face. Again, more IB800, screw the toast, and a fresh cold pack and off to rock myself to sleep in the dark, alone, with only my tears to remind me "I'm still awake".

By the 3rd time I awoke (roughly 2 hours later), I knew that this was only the beginning of what I had feared. It is going to be this way for a couple of weeks. One week later, I knew I'd better go to the doctor. But, it was Labor Day. Doctor is golfing, or something... luckily my husband works as an engineer for a local hospital and around 8pm, he was driving me into the ER. The diagnoses? You guessed it. Severe Sinus Infection! Ug.

I was on Augmentin, Naproxen, and he even gave me Vicoden for the pain. Only 6. As the rest of the week went on, so did the attacks. At first the Vicoden helped after a half hour of taking it. I really thought they should make this stuff legal! I wasn't getting a 'high' off it, it was just going straight to the center of the pain and allowing me to cope, feel normal. 6 didn't last that long.

My father-in-law is suffering from degenerative disk disorder and he just so happened to have all the Vicoden I needed. He gave me 8 after calling him one morning in dire pain. It is Wednesday (9/5) now. My poor husband (who doesn't know how to fix me) went to RiteAid and picked me up a netty pot, still thinking it was a sinus infection. (If you ever use a netty pot, it is weird your first time. :o )

By Saturday morning of last week, he was driving me to an Urgent Care Clinic as the pain was so severe I was now vomiting, exhausted, and experiencing chest pains. He even asked if I knew I was only crying out of one eye?! Strange, didn't notice that before as I try to hide my pain and discomfort from my family. This doctor, Leigha, took an EKG to rule out heart attack, and began probing into my headache history. She asked my husband if the left eye (the side that hurt) always drooped like that.  After all was said and done, she mentioned the words "Cluster Headaches".

I have to say, after reading up on them, it fits the bill.  I have an appointment on 9/19 with a neurologist who specializes in headaches and migraines. By the way, that doctor did not prescribe me Vicoden, instead she prescribed Tordahl (sp) and gave me an injection right then and there. 

Since this, I have had fewer attacks. I even slept through the night on Monday! It's not over as I awoke with one this morning at 3:30am and again at 5:30am.  My last attack lasted 2 1/2 hours. Again, crying, I came to the computer to find possible home remedies as my body seems to becoming numb to the Tordahl (sp) and that is when I found clusterheadaches.com.

I don't know if anyone will read this, but I do know that I feel better knowing that there's sufferers out there like me. It also feels good to write it  down. I will keep you informed of my journey and if any offers of relief come my way, I will definitely share them. May pain free days come swift and thank you to all who contribute and support.

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Clusterman59 on Sep 12th, 2012 at 1:07pm
Hey Mike nz!
One thing I forgot to mention that I used to use all the time during the dark years  was Niacin It was a big factor in my self treatment for my Clusters....If i could pop 200mg of niacin quickly enough and get the "Flush" from the niacin then it would have a dramatic affect on my Cluster. Not always getting rid of it but lessening the pain by 50% and maybe 20% of the time it would get rid of the cluster completely so it was significant........Johnny

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Jnote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 3:41pm
     OK I think I am posting in the right spot now lol. My name is Jason. I am terrible at punctuation and spelling so get used to it lol.
     I just went to the dr. for the first time concerning my headaches. I dont have any medical conditions. My dr. was not surprised by my headaches and immediatly started asking all the questions I wanted to hear. Like when I get them, how long they last and so on. He said o2 is the best way for ch relief. But he dosent want to start there. He put me on fioricet. My first night on it was last night and no headache.....but that means nothing to me at the moment. Tonight I think I will wait to take fioricet until the headache shows it's ugly face and see what happens.
     I used to get these when I was younger (around 15). They dissapeared for years, and now this is my second fall season in the chicagoland area with these headaches. I dont remember them being as bad as they are but maybe I just dont remember.
     Before going to the dr. I stopped with the drinking and I dont bother with the mary jane anymore, which seemed to be a huge trigger.
     I have read a lot of posts here and I am still convinced that I suffer from ch's. I am supposed to go to a after party with my gf this saturday night and I am already looking for a way out of it :(. She feels helpless while I am rolling around in bed moving my feet back and forth. While she rubs my neck and back she says "Am I helpng? Is there really anything I can do?" I say yes your doing great. Just having someone there helps out a bunch. What also helps is knowing about the ch's.
     This is my first time taking notes on how long the headaches last when they start and so on. I really want to get on top of this since losing sleep is really killing me at work. Anyone have any comments on fioricet? Keep in mind that I am a newb ty. 8-)

Title: Re: Newbies. Help us...help you
Post by Linda_Howell on Sep 13th, 2012 at 4:38pm
Since I was the one to start this thread along with Bob Johnson, I just have to say that this thread has deviated FAR from it's intended purpose.

We started this thread ONLY to alert newcomers to Please, please, please let us know where you live.  There is a reason for that.

We have sufferers all over the globe.  Bill Mingus has updated a place where sufferers could find a doctor in THEIR area.  That is what this was all about.  We wanted all newcomers to add their city and state.  No addresses or anything like that.  Just a place on each and every persons profile where we could help them find a sufferer recommended doctor for them.   The 29 pages here are NOT what Bob Johnson and I had in mind at all.  There are forums for newbies, forums for ch specific, forums for medications where you should post your questions to get answers.   The General board is for the fun stuff.  The stuff to make us laugh...because we need that too.

PLEASE just use this as an 'alert' to place "where you live" on your profile.

  Because all the posts here would be better served if placed in the right forum and much better seen by others and answered, I will lock this thread.   As I said..we just want the newcomers to add where they live in their profile so we can help them find a doctor if that is what they need, or maybe another clusterhead in their very own city to meet up with.

Thank you.  Linda Howell


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