IE BOL-148 Bromo-LSD or something similar?  From my understanding this stuff is non-hallucinogenic but is completely identical.  I emailed the Entheogen Corporation (Massachusetts-based biopharmaceutical company) expressing interest in their study of the effects of the chemical on cluster headaches, but have not received a reply.

Cheers

No.

Not yet, but there's a faint light at the end of a distant tunnel! ;)

Joe

elliott wrote on Jan 25^th, 2012 at 10:35pm:

IE BOL-148 Bromo-LSD or something similar?  From my understanding this stuff is non-hallucinogenic but is completely identical.  I emailed the Entheogen Corporation (Massachusetts-based biopharmaceutical company) expressing interest in their study of the effects of the chemical on cluster headaches, but have not received a reply. Cheers

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If you are interested in getting involved with studies being done on Bromo, then contact Dr. Halpern at McClain  Hospital in Massachusetts.

Sansert 2mg tablets, available by RX only from Canada. Check into that. It is LSD. Correct me if I'm wrong. And hold on to your hat during the first 24 hours if you take this! 2mg tablets three times a day is a trip! (Each tablet seems equal to about 1/3 of a recreational dose of LSD). Too bad it didn't help me. And THIS CAN NOT BE MIXED WITH DHE, Methergine, OR ANY TRIPTAN DRUGS !!

I4B

Imitrex4Breakfast wrote on Apr 15^th, 2012 at 5:33pm:

It is LSD.

No, it's not. It's molecular structure is similar to LSD, but it has been altered so as to minimize the hallucinogenic experience. In doing so, the makers created a compound that will cause fibrosis of the heart valves, lungs, and kidneys if the user doesn't take a one-month holiday for every six months of use.

Also, as you've probably experienced, it has to be taken every day - not like LSD, where the user takes one dose, then waits 5-7 days before taking another (if it's needed at all).

VERY hard on the body.

sansert scared the crap out me...i experienced real bad trips with it....but didn't scare away the CH.


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Brew is correct, Sansert is very similar to LSD on the molecular level.

Not to be taken lightly, as long term use DOES have serious side effects.

I must admit I did  mistakenly take two doses close together, and did get a little trippy, in my case music sounded much better...  :D... I don't recommend it as a long term prevent.

I did use it years ago, and I did receive relief, but you can only be on if for short periods of time and then off for a period of time.

It also must be a script from an MD to be purchased the United States from Canada. Not all that hard to do with a Neurologist who is aware of it's limitations and uses.

I think it, as well as LSD derivatives should be clinically studied as it could very well help a lot of us.

Actually, I had it (methysergide maleate) made by a compounding pharmacy shortly after it was no longer manufactured by Sandoz for distribution in the US. I think you can still get it that way.

I do agree. I shouldn't have written that "It is LSD", but it is very closely related and most likely the closest thing to the real thing you'll get LEGALLY (Unless somehow you can get into a trial with Harvard and/or M.A.P.S.)

Coca Cola or Pepsi ??  :D

I4B

Thanks for checking.  Please keep us updated.  I would looooooove to find something like this.

Louise

I've always thought of it as: Sansert is to LSD as "Magic Mushrooms" are to DHE-45.

"Things that make you go ... Hmmmm?!"

I4B

Edited to add: Brew does know his cluster meds! I do recall them (years ago) saying that you can only take Sansert for 6 months at a time then a 'break' is needed. They were too afraid for me to try it again after Imitrex came out for fears that I would still use Imitrex while on Sansert ... and they said that could be deadly and wasn't worth the risk. Also, many other drugs cause those same side effects, including DHE-45 and quite possibly "magic mushrooms" (Scarring of the heart valves) since they are both powerful vasoconstricting ERGOT meds.

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Also, many other drugs cause those same side effects, including DHE-45 and quite possibly "magic mushrooms" (Scarring of the heart valves) since they are both powerful vasoconstricting ERGOT meds.

Perhaps. I'm not quite sure about that with the psilocybin from fungus. I'm of the opinion that the ones that can cause lasting damage are generally the ones that man has tinkered with.

Another thing to consider - none of the psychoactive treatments are ever taken daily. The "keys" from the medicine fit into the the "locks" in the brain receptors and stay there for awhile, not allowing any more "keys" to fit in. Which is why if you ate shrooms on a Friday and again on a Saturday, you'd feel very little if any effect on Saturday.

If you take the psychoactive meds closer than 5 days apart, you're just wasting the stuff.

Imitrex4Breakfast wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

Also, many other drugs cause those same side effects, including DHE-45 and quite possibly "magic mushrooms" (Scarring of the heart valves) since they are both powerful vasoconstricting ERGOT meds.

The scarring of the heart valves is coming from the stimulation of the 5HT-2B serotonin receptors, not neccesarily from vasoconstricting ergot meds...Although most of the tryptamine hallucinogens people use for busting, as well as methysergide and most ergot drugs "agonize", or stimulate, this receptor.  Like Brew was pointing out, the hallucinogens you don't take often enough to cause this effect, while methysergide definitely does it. 

Interestingly enough, Lisuride, a Parkinsons med made from LSD does the exact opposite--it is a 5ht-2b antagonist and has been shown to be able to be taken daily with no risk of fibrosis.  All the data I have seen about it make it seem like it has good promise for clusters and very few side effects.  My Neuro said he would prescribe it, but unfortunately I found it is only available in New Zealand.  It just wasn't making enough money around here.

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