New CH.com Forum
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl
Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications,  Treatments,  Therapies >> Migraine Meds don't do JACK
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1365956857

Message started by KHeller on Apr 14th, 2013 at 12:27pm

Title: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by KHeller on Apr 14th, 2013 at 12:27pm
Just venting a frustration.
I am starting a new cluster period, just like every spring; and this morning I tried the Zomig that my doctor was SURE would help.

Jack.squat.

She own't listen to me and give me oxygen.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Brew on Apr 14th, 2013 at 1:20pm
Find a new one.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Bob Johnson on Apr 14th, 2013 at 2:12pm
LOCATING HEADACHE SPECIALIST

1. Yellow Pages phone book: look for "Headache Clinics" in the M.D. section and look under "neurologist" where some docs will list speciality areas of practice.

2.  Call your hospital/medical center. They often have an office to assist in finding a physician. You may have to ask for the social worker/patient advocate.

3. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE; On-line screen to find a physician.

4. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE Look for "Physician Finder" search box. They will send a list of M.D.s for your state.I suggest using this source for several reasons: first, we have read several messages from people who, even seeing neurologists, are unhappy with the quality of care and ATTITUDES they have encountered; second, the clinical director of the Jefferson (Philadelphia) Headache Clinic said, in late 1999, that upwards of 40%+ of U.S. doctors have poor training in treating headache and/or hold attitudes about headache ("hysterical female disorder") which block them from sympathetic and effective work with the patient; third, it's necessary to find a doctor who has experience, skill, and a set of attitudes which give hope of success. This is the best method I know of to find such a physician.

5. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE NEW certification program for "Headache Medicine" by the United Council for Neurologic Subspecialties, an independent, non-profit, professional medical organization.
        Since this is a new program, the initial listing is limited and so it should be checked each time you have an interest in locating a headache doctor.
=============

And print out the PDF file, below. Use it as a tool to discussi treatment options with any doc you see.
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=THERAPIES-_Headache_2011.pdf (96 KB | 16 )

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Mike NZ on Apr 14th, 2013 at 3:45pm

KHeller wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 12:27pm:
She own't listen to me and give me oxygen.


Did she say why she wouldn't give you oxygen?

I'd be looking for a new doctor if one refuses to listen to me.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by KHeller on Apr 14th, 2013 at 4:02pm
Thank you so much for the provider listing on this page, I found one really close to me and will give him a call tomorrow (since it's Sunday.)
I have only seen my GP so far and, honestly, I think she's just stumped as to what to do for me.  I mentioned oxygen to her at my last appointment and she just said that was controversial as to whether or not it helps.  I don't care if it's controversial, at least let me try it!
Hopefully the doctor listed on the OUCH website in my area will be more helpful.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Brew on Apr 14th, 2013 at 5:43pm
There's nothing controversial about it. She just doesn't want to do any homework.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by KHeller on Apr 14th, 2013 at 6:03pm
Off topic, but BREW - love the Ayn Rand quote.  I'm a big fan.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Brew on Apr 14th, 2013 at 7:19pm
Oxygen, at 25 lpm or greater, through a non-rebreather mask - or simple hyperventilation with a demand valve system - is the safest treatment we have available.

When you get a minute, please check the following thread. The vitamin D3 regimen has brought complete relief to right around 80% of the people who try it, present company included.

START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Mike NZ on Apr 15th, 2013 at 1:59am
Oxygen has also been shown to work in numerous trials with the results published in peer reviewed publications.

Nothing controversial about it at all, other than what the flow rate should be with older research tending to have lower flow rates than the later ones.


Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by thierry on Apr 20th, 2013 at 1:54pm
Hi KHeller, sorry to hear that the zomig doesn't work for you, i thought it worked for everybody. It works for me, i take it (2.5mg fastmelt tablet) at the beginning of an attack and the attack melts away. However I have joined this site about 6 weeks ago and came across Batch's vit D3 regimen, it seems to work for so many people that i gave it a go, I am now on day 23 of the regimen and have now been pain free for the last 8 or 9 days. My spring cycle usually lasts until the end of may or even sometimes until mid-june, the regimen seems to have stopped the cycle. Maybe you could try it too.
All the best.  :)

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Dan S. on Jan 13th, 2014 at 1:55pm
KH, I know your post is about 9 months old but if you're on or they hit again in Spring and you're reviewing try Rock Mountain Neurology.  I live in the Denver area as well and have been a patient there (for about 8 years) when my previous Neurologist retired.  They get it and will get you what you need.

Though hope they don't return! 

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Mike R on Jan 17th, 2014 at 3:57am
My doc won't give me oxygen either.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by thierry on Jan 17th, 2014 at 8:32am
Get another one!

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Hoppy on Jan 18th, 2014 at 1:06am
K wrote,
I mentioned oxygen to her at my last appointment and she just said that was controversial as to whether or not it helps.  I don't care if it's controversial, at least let me try it!

Hi K,
Oxygen and the vitamin D3 regime is the go here. PM Bob
Johnson for a Headache Specialist in your area.

Hoppy.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by Mike NZ on Jan 18th, 2014 at 3:42am
Multiple scientific papers have been published in peer reviewed medical journals which is the gold standard for medical research. Google Scholar will find many of these articles - START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or RegisterEND PRINTPAGE

Just looking at the first three:


Quote:
Response of cluster headache attacks to oxygen inhalation
L Kudrow - Headache: The Journal of Head and Face Pain, 1981 - Wiley Online Library
SYNOPSIS Fifty-two randomly selected patients diagnosed as having either active episodic
or chronic cluster headaches were evaluated for symptomatic response to oxygen
inhalation. At the onset of attacks, 100% oxygen was administered through a facial mask ...
Cited by 262 Related articles All 4 versions Cite Save

Treatment of cluster headache: a double-blind comparison of oxygen v air inhalation
L Fogan - Archives of Neurology, 1985 - Am Med Assoc
Lance Fogan, MD, MPH\ s= b\ Nineteen men, aged 20 to 50 years, were treated in a double-
blind crossover study comparing oxygen v air inhalation at 6 L/min via nonrebreathing face
masks for 15 minutes or less, for up to six headaches. Patients scored their own degree of ...
Cited by 232 Related articles All 7 versions Cite Save

Human in vivo evidence for trigeminovascular activation in cluster headache Neuropeptide changes and effects of acute attacks therapies
PJ Goadsby, L Edvinsson - Brain, 1994 - Oxford Univ Press
... suggests that CGRP release is related to the mechanism of the headaches and not ... both elevated
in the cranial venous blood of patients with an acute spontaneous cluster headache. The
termination of the attack with either sumatriptan or oxygen brings about normalization of ...
Cited by 430 Related articles All 5 versions Cite Save


I've bolded the number of citations for each paper, which is where another scientific paper references the original paper. A high number is an indication of how influential the original paper is. Anyone doing research would give their right arm to get as many citations as these (I was very pleased to get one paper into double figures).

Also note the dates too, with one going back 33 years.

This is not a controversial area by any means.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by seaworthy on Jan 20th, 2014 at 10:47am

Quote:
Migraine Meds don't do JACK


Your a little off base stating this in general terms. In fact many drugs intended for migraine treatment are used successfully to treat clusters.

Its the dosage that changes, not the med.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by neuropath on Jan 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm
Zomig won't help you to kill an attack. If melted under the tongue and washed down with a double espresso and a red bull the best kill time I managed was 20 mins. No point in other words.

Migraine meds help when you use them correctly. Imitrex for killing an attack near immediately. I sometimes use Zomig if I need a 5-6 hour guaranteed PF window. For air travel, if I am desperate for sleep or have a meeting I need to stay PF in. Needs to be taken at least 30 mins before green zone time.

Get yourself a few imitrex for your handbag and some O2 tanks for home and office. Further and most importantly, read about the prevent medications available.

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by jon019 on Jan 20th, 2014 at 3:40pm
Zomig NS 5mg is my abort of last resort...99% effective for breakthroughs...if O2, energy drinks, perhaps verapamil and Vit D don't work.....

Best

Jon

Title: Re: Migraine Meds don't do JACK
Post by thierry on Jan 21st, 2014 at 10:26am
Hi Neuropath,
Yes Zomig can take 20 to 30 minutes to kill an attack, but it is better than having to go through the whole attack which can last a couple of hours or more. I used to take and took it for years before i started on the D3 regimen. I always have some on me but I have not needed it since the almighty D3.
All the best
Thierry   :)

New CH.com Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.4!
YaBB © 2000-2009. All Rights Reserved.