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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Demand valve/regulator recommendation? http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1389293637 Message started by slacker032 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:53pm |
Title: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by slacker032 on Jan 9th, 2014 at 1:53pm
What demand valve and regulator combo are you guys recommending these days and from which supplier?
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Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by CHMatt on Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:25pm
I have the Carnét demand valve and am very happy with it. Much faster and more reliable abort times than I used to get via a traditional non-rebreather mask system.
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Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by slacker032 on Jan 11th, 2014 at 7:55pm
Thanks Batch. Just for clarification, are you saying the Carnet demand valve itself is $475-550 or is that that total for the Carnet plus the Flotec regulator?
Also, you said with that Flotec regulator, I wouldn't need a demand valve but wouldn't it save me from wasting oxygen or if I'm misinformed about how a demand valve works? I've currently got one of those Harbor Freight regulators and my interest in a demand valve was partially because I was aiming for more oxygen efficiency. |
Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by Batch on Jan 11th, 2014 at 8:46pm
Slacker,
You need a regulator with a DISS fitting and a demand valve so you're looking at around $650 to $700 for the combo... Regarding efficiency in oxygen consumption... I've developed a relatively new procedure and breathing technique that will work with a demand valve and equally well with a regulator capable of 15 liters/minute, a welder's O2 regulator and even an oxygen concentrator capable of 15 liters/minute... It involves hyperventilating with room air then breathing high concentration oxygen. The ratio is roughly 3 to 1 room air to oxygen. The breathing technique is called hyperventilating at forced tidal volume capacity. You start by forcibly exhaling room air as fast as possible until it feels like there's nothing left in your lungs to exhale... At that point you do an abdominal crunch like doing situps and you hold the squeeze until your exhaled breath makes a wheezing sound for 2 to 3 seconds. This exhalation technique will squeeze out another half to full liter of exhaled breath. As that last tidal volume of exhaled breath is highest in CO2, you're blowing off CO2 much faster than normal... As soon as you've squeezed out that last volume of exhaled breath, inhale room air rapidly and fully then repeat forced exhalation followed by the rapid inhalation and forced exhalation two more times. At that point you inhale the 100% oxygen from a demand valve or Cluster O2 kit with 3-liter reservoir bag and hold it for 3 to 5 seconds then start the entire sequence again. 3 breaths of room air at forced vital capacity followed rapidly by one full inhalation of oxygen. If you're using this procedure properly, you should experience the symptoms of paresthesia... a very slight tingling or prickling of the fingertips, lips, face or back of the neck. You also might experience a slight dizziness. I suggest you stand while using this breathing technique and procedure to help ventilate the lungs more effectively. If you do get dizzy, lean against a wall. If you feel too dizzy, sit erect in a straight back chair and avoid hunching over your knees as this will restrict lung ventilation. I've found this procedure and breathing technique is equally effective as the oxygen demand valve method of aborting cluster headaches. The secret to hyperventilating with room air and oxygen lies in the fact that this process blows off CO2 faster than your body generates it through normal metabolism... This in turn pushes your system into respiratory alkalosis... with an elevated arterial pH. Blood hemoglobin has a higher affinity for oxygen as pH rises (the Bohr Effect), and this results in around an 11% increase in hemoglobin oxygenation so using this technique super oxygenates blood flow to the brain and in particular, the arteries and capillaries in and around the trigeminal ganglia triggering the rapid vasoconstriction that's needed to abort CH rapidly . Adding the affect of a reduced arterial CO2 that results in additional vasoconstriction, using this procedure and breathing technique. This procedure and breathing technique results in very rapid aborts with either a demand valve or standard regulator with cluster O2 mask kit. If you manage your oxygen flow rate properly, the above procedure will consume 75% less oxygen/abort. Practice this procedure and breathing technique with room air and you should start feeling the symptoms of paresthesia after 3 to 4 cycles... Hope this helps... Take care, V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by slacker032 on Jan 11th, 2014 at 8:52pm
Great info. Thanks again Batch.
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Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by gaulstone on Apr 19th, 2017 at 1:40am
For anyone wanting the latest info on that Flotec Regulator. I reached out to get a current quote to place an order.
Model: RR510-200T1 RH, 1.4", 3000 PSI Gauge @ 300 degrees CGA 540 Hex Nut & Nipple Assembly (Oxygen) One DISS-1240 Check Valve No Body Options Green Anodized Body Large Diameter Knurled Knob Window @ 0 & Hose Barb @ 180 No Flowmeter Options Green Anodized Body 1-60 range (1^2^3^4^5^6^10^15^25^40^60) srw Current price for one unit is: $224.55 - The price drops for multiple units. Shipping is extra. Payment by credit card is extra. I tried sending an email to Ashley but it got sent back. You should now just email: flotec@floteco2.com If there is a better option out there these days let me know. Otherwise I'm going to place my order with them for the one above. |
Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by gaulstone on Apr 20th, 2017 at 1:11am
Thanks Batch and Don. I'm placing my order for the Flotec. I already use the cluster mask from the site. May consider the demand in the future.
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Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by gaulstone on May 13th, 2017 at 2:56am
Received my Flotec. Tested it out. Works great. I only need the barb valve for now.
One question though - if you hook up to the DISS does air automatically stop flowing to the barb? I don't see any way to switch between the two. If I get an on demand I'm trying to figure out how air stops coming out of the barb. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. |
Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by Batch on May 14th, 2017 at 1:52am
Just set the flow rate to zero and oxygen will stop coming from the barb fitting...
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Title: Re: Demand valve/regulator recommendation? Post by gaulstone on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 11:24am
Thank you Batch! Makes sense. PS- Just got my levels checked and have started up the D3 plan.
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