To All,

The following might be of interest given the growing hysteria over the coronavirus. The coronavirus, enterovirus (colds and flu) and rihinovirus (colds) responsible for upper respiratory infections are all about the same size and shape with the same propensity and mechanism for spreading.

Accordingly, for the CHers on the anti-inflammatoy regimen, adding a gram or two of vitamin C a day can help. For CHers and Supporters not taking this regimen, taking at least 5000 IU/day vitamin D3, 1000 mg/day Omega-3 fish oil and 1 to 2 grams/day vitamin C can help immune systems combat upper respiratory viral infections.

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For reference this combination of vitamins and minerals has an NNT of 2 in preventing viral infections.  The NNT = The Number Needed to Treat to prevent one case of the viral infection.  From CDC data, the best matched flu vaccine has an NNT of 12 to 40.

Take care,
V/R, Batch

Some additional information on what to do to help avoid a corona virus infection from an Integrative physician:  Dr. Brownstein ND, Jan 26 2020

"Wearing a mask will not help protect you from becoming ill with any viral infection—corona virus included. I would check that off the list."

"As for getting the flu shot? Fugetaboutit. It won’t help corona infections and there was a study which found an increased risk in non-influenza infections, including coronavirus, in those that received the trivalent flu vaccine."

"First, it is important to maintain optimal levels of nutrients, particularly vitamins A, C, and D."

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I've been following this a little bit and while some say the masks are useless at preventing coronovirus others say they may help and so possible protection is better than no protection.

A common opinion and important consideration, however, is that those wearing masks are less likely to spread an infection they may not even know they have.

As an aside, we've a very popular beer here in Oz called VB and an honest hangover is oft referred to as "VB virus".

I wonder what the makers of Corona beer think about the name of this new beastie.

A caller on Rush Limbaugh yesterday said a 2008 study of people with Schizophrenia were given large doses of vitamin D3 and none of them contracted the flu for over a year.  I checked clinicaltrials.gov.  They were given 50,000 IU/week of vitamin D3 (an average of~ 7100 IU/day) for 3 months.  That makes my point about taking the anti-inflammatory regimen in spades!  President Trump echoed Rush's comments later yesterday

A long-time friend and fellow fighter pilot asked about putting the CoVid-19 pandemic in perspective, so here are some facts and figures that do just that.
Comparisons:

• Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu.
  

• SARS (November 2002 to July 2003): was a coronavirus that originated from Beijing, China, spread to 29 countries, and resulted in 8,096 people infected with 774 deaths (fatality rate of 9.6%). Considering that SARS ended up infecting 5,237 people in mainland China, Wuhan
  

• Coronavirus surpassed SARS on January 29, 2020, when Chinese officials confirmed 5,974 cases of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). One day later, on January 30, 2020 the novel coronavirus cases surpassed even the 8,096 cases worldwide which were the final SARS count in 2003.

• MERS (in 2012) killed 858 people out of the 2,494 infected (fatality rate of 34.4%).
  

How contagious is the Wuhan Coronavirus? (Ro)

The attack rate or transmissibility (how rapidly the disease spreads) of a virus is indicated by its reproductive number (Ro, pronounced R-nought or r-zero), which represents the average number of people to which a single infected person will transmit the virus.

• WHO's estimated (on Jan. 23) Ro to be between 1.4 and 2.5.

• Other studies have estimated a Ro between 3.6 and 4.0, and between 2.24 to 3.58.

• Preliminary studies had estimated Ro to be between 1.5 and 3.5.

• An outbreak with a reproductive number of below 1 will gradually disappear.
  

• For comparison, the Ro for the common flu is 1.3 and for SARS it was 2.0.
  

My take on all this remains the same.  My hair has yet to catch fire and we’re all taking the anti-inflammatory regimen with at least 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 or a capsule a week of the Bio-Tech D3-50 50,000 IU water soluble vitamin D3.  We’re also taking 2 to 4 grams/day of the liposomal vitamin C.

As you’ll see in the following charts, the spread of the CoVid-19 continues. CDC now says it’s WHEN not IF it spreads across the US.  It’s the blue fog of war and what we don’t know that causes the most angst.  For example, we know the seasonal flu has an endpoint usually when the Spring and Summer sun comes out and the UV in sunlight attenuates viral aerosols and surface virus drastically lowering the rate of infection.  As the CoVid-19 causes an infection spread by aerosols and close personal contact like seasonal influenza, I suspect we will see a drop in the rates of CoVid-19  infection starting in late April to early May depending on the latitude and elevation where you live.  That is just a SWAG on my part.  SWAG=Sophisticated Wild-Ass Guess.

On the brighter side there appear to be some beneficial outcomes as a result of the CoVid-19 pandemic.  Supply chain managers are now starting to source needed supplies from here in the US and US suppliers are ramping up production.  Nowhere is this more important than the medical and pharmaceutical supplies as most of the Rx medications are presently manufactured and packaged off shore in China, Myanmar and Vietnam.

There are three RCTs in progress using a vitamin C IV drip to treat pneumonia and other life-threatening conditions arising from CoVid-19 infection.  The results from these studies will be HUGE as Big Pharma will not be able to blow them off.

The equities markets stabilized for a while today then they fell.  It appears movements are being generated by Day-Trader/Hedge Fund managers.   They wait for a morning gain the sell short and buy back early the next day.

Now for a few charts on the CoVid-19 pandemic from WORLD O METER at the following link:

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The first two charts show total rate of CoVid-19 infection (linear and logarithmic) and rate of CoVid-19 infection outside China where South Korea has the most (linear and Logarithmic.)

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The slope of the curve appears to be flattening - not a great great sign, but promising

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The slope of the curve appears to be increasing - Not a good sign

The following chart lists death rate by age.  This is about what we expected last week.

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The following chart lists death rate by comorbidity.  Again, what we expected last week as these comorbid conditions tend to insult/weaken the immune system.

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The take away here is outside China and Korea, the CoVid-19 death rate is very low. That is a very good sign.

There still remain unanswered questions like is China giving us the real story and not reduced numbers.  Unfortunately, I have the same question about the CDCs numbers as there have been very few genetic tests for the CoVid-19 infections in the US.  Moreover, the CDC limits these tests to people suspected of having the CoVid-19 infection who had either traveled to China or who were on the cruise ship quarantined in Japan.  The CDC also shipped out defective CoVid-19 test kits that give false positive and false negative readings so are useless.  Now they want $2.5 billion to develop a CoVid-19 vaccine….

For thems that follow things like this, do any of you recall the Zika scare from 2016?  The CDC was given $2 billion to develop a Zika vaccine… no Zika vaccine delivered to date and still no shrunken Zika heads to be found.  What did they do with the $2 billion dollars?  Hmmm… The way I see it, Big Government Bureaucrats are not to be trusted… Need I remind you about the deep staters at FBI and DOJ?

Bottom line...  Keep taking the anti-inflammatory regime and at least 2 grams of vitamin C/day.  If you're not taking this regimen... you should.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...  Is 50 cents a day too munch?

Take care,

V/R, Batch

I hope it wipes out politicians who ban Psychedelic medicine as Psychedelic is the only thing that works for CH

earthbee wrote on Mar 1^st, 2020 at 8:20am:

I hope it wipes out politicians who ban Psychedelic medicine as Psychedelic is the only thing that works for CH

Wishing a slow and painful death upon politicians who disagree with you goes against all the religious concepts you've been sprouting in your previous posts.

You're also pushing psychedelic and illegal mind-altering drugs as the only effective means of combatting this dreadful disease.

This is not only monstrously wrong,  it's dangerous.

There are many wonderful treatments available to ClusterHeads so you may care to read further around our little site looking for such wonders as Oxygen,  some really interesting natural diets that are giving great results,  and even our Vitamin D3 regimen which is showing sensational success.

Or just stick with your gods, your shamans, and your opioids. 

We'll be here later to help if you want us,

Brian down under.

Well said Brian.

I have asked the Moderators to remove that disgraceful post.

Peter.

Monday 2 March, 2020,

First the good news:  Today the stock markets gained back a third of what they lost last week and the CoVid-19 test kits started shipping out last Friday.

Now for the other news: 103 infected in the US and 6 dead as of 21:00 PST Monday.   Unfortunately this is just the beginning as many more will follow in both categories in the daze to come now that the test kits confirm the growing number of CoVid-19 viral infections.

Four of the six deaths in Washington that occurred in the Seattle area, were community dwelling seniors at a managed care nursing facility East of Seattle.  I expect the number of deaths to the CoVid-19 virus at that facility to go up over the next few days as it's clear the infection was spreading for more than a week before they implemented containment measures and the staff started wearing protective garments and face masks.

The first case in the US with the CoVid-19 virus recovered from the first phase of CoVid-19 infection then went back to school.  10 days later the second phase of CoVid-19 infection started so he was shedding virus at school for a few days before going back into quarantine. They closed the school when his second phase of infection started, but it appears there will be more cases of community spread CoVid-19 infection.

Taking 3 grams/day vitamin C and at least 5,000 IU vitamin D3 will help prevent CoVid-19 infection and should lessen the severity of this infection should it occur.  At least this is something proactive we can do besides following the CDC recommendations to wash our hands, cough into a tissue and avoid crowds.

The CDC has yet to acknowledge the 50 Ton shipment of vitamin C to Wuhan China.  Doctors there in China are getting their ducks in a row, treating CoVid-19 patients with plenty of vitamin C.  Not so for the CDC.  They're off on a lark trying to find an Rx antiviral treatment and a vaccine that will take over a year from phase 1 testing completion before it's available to the public.  It sure looks like the CDC has a Big Pharma mentality.  Maybe it's just me, but this sure looks bad for the CDC with vitamin C and vitamin D3 looking them in the face.

Take care,
V/R, Batch

Hi All!  It's been a while since I've posted so that means things have been going very well.  I still check in on occasion to see if anything new and exciting is happening in the CH world so when checking in today I had to comment on this post.

Batch, thanks for keeping us updated on COVID-19.  I'm a HUGE Rush Limbaugh fan and listen each day at lunch.  To be honest, this virus has got me a bit antsy but when I see the numbers laid out as Batch did in his post it is a bit reassuring.  (Although I will admit to going to the grocery store and doing a little "stocking up" -- probably watched the movie Contagion too many times.  It's a great movie but it really hits a little too close to home about now  :) ) 

I'm a little skeptical myself of the accuracy of info coming out of certain countries.  Has anyone seen the map by Johns Hopkins University that shows the number of cases reported by region?  Tell me what you think. I tried to post the link but I don't think it's working.  Sorry about that!


I did pick up some Vitamin C while at the grocery store.  About 3 weeks ago, my MIL came down with the flu.  My husband was around her quite a bit and showed some minor symptoms of the flu.  It's my guess that he shared the flu bug with me.  My husband and MIL get the flu shot each year, but with me having MS I usually do not.  (The live virus vaccine is not safe for those with MS)  So the flu jumped on me like "white on rice".  After being given Tamiflu and spending 3 days in bed, I was finally able to go back to work.  My thoughts going forward are that I will start getting the flu shot and the Vitamin C certainly can't hurt!

One last observation...this virus has definitely made it clear that companies here in the US should be manufacturing their products right here at home.  Being the good, US-born-and-raised citizen/patriot that I am, I don't like relying on another country to provide us with the things that are needed in this type of situation.  Maybe this is a wake-up call for the US. 

Batch, please keep up the posts.  Between you, Rush, President Trump and VP Pence I know you're doing your best to keep us safe, informed and our hair from catching on fire.   ;)

Much love & PF wishes to all!

Payg

Hey Payg,

Thanks for the kind words.  The major cluster of COVID-19 infection in Washington state is in the greater Seattle area 20 mile due East of us.  Unfortunately, it appears the virus is spreading as expected.  The people hardest hit are in a community dwelling managed care facility in Kirkland where the outbreak spread for over two weeks before they imposed containment measures and CDC test kits arrived.

I have my entire family and close friends taking 3 grams/day of vitamin C.  One gram with breakfast, lunch and dinner.  The little ones are getting vitamin C gummies three times a day.  They're all taking at least 5000 IU/day of vitamin D3.

If you have family or friends living in a community dwelling managed care facility, I would take them some vitamin c and vitamin D3. 

You won't hear anything about vitamin C or vitamin D3 as a possible CoVid-19 viral infection preventative from the CDC or anywhere else in HHS for that matter.  That's going to be a problem for President Trump at some point.  Doctors in Wuhan tried to let us know what to do when they took delivery of 50 Tons of vitamin C last week... but that news went unnoticed by the national news media.

Take care and hang tough, we'll all get through this.

V/R, Batch

Hi Batch...hope you're doing well. I'm doing fine so far. Almost two months since your original post.

I'm interested in all things regarding the immune system, and so grateful for the anti-inflammatory regimen. I thought I would pass along an article about  Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai and his suggestions regarding an immune approach to the CoVid-19. You may have already heard of him. He has the President's ear, and the suggestions in this article overlap a lot of what we already know from our regimen. I'm not sure about the vitamin A suggestion for healthy people. It seems a bit large, at least for long term use, but he seems on the right track. Here's the link:

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Stay well!
Patti

Well I guess it's all about how good you immune system is. I know there a lot of people who can be a carrier of a virus but never to be sick with it. 

Hey Batch,

Great to hear from you. 

Any thoughts on adding 15-30mg of Zinc to the regimen to further strengthen the immune system?

I've already mentioned on here earlier, that 10mg of zinc and 1000mg of vitamin C a day, can boost your immune system against the coronavirus, but did you know that vitamin D plays a big part in your immune system, one large white top mushroom contains 100iu of vitamin D, but if you put it in the sun for 8hrs, that grows to ten's of thousands iu of vitamin D. Stay safe.

Cheers Hoppy

Hoppy wrote on Apr 4^th, 2020 at 1:28am:

..but if you put it in the sun for 8hrs...

Hey, Hoppy.  Do you peel them first?  Also,  does cooking them afterwards spoil any of the good work you've done?

I've some loverly mushrooms I was going to have this evening but I'll put them outside in the morning instead and do something special come dinner time.

Thanks for the hint.

Hoppy wrote on Apr 4^th, 2020 at 1:28am:

one large white top mushroom contains 100iu of vitamin D, but if you put it in the sun for 8hrs, that grows to ten's of thousands iu of vitamin D. Stay safe. Cheers Hoppy

Hoppy...thanks so much for this information--new to me!

Here's a link to more about this:

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Patti

To All,

I apologize for not keeping this thread updated more frequently.  I was chastised by a few CHers over at clusterbusters for scaring the crap out of them with some of my posts about the SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 infection it causes, so throttled back on my posts as there was a more pressing matter at hand. 

The pressing matter that has consumed most of my time and had me running around the clock for the last month sending daily emails and posts trying to get Fox News and the White House web site to do what the President Trump's COVID-19 Task Force is not doing...  Telling VP Pence, President Trump and the public that in addition to the hand washing hygiene, social distancing and shelter in place put out by the CDC, that it is okay and strongly encouraged for people to voluntarily start taking 3 grams/day vitamin C (1g three times a day), at least 5000 IU/day vitamin D3 and 50 mg/day zinc to help prevent a COVID-19 infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

This is going to be a long post so grab a cup of coffee now then come back and try to absorb what comes next.

The good Dr. Anthony Fauci, and his side-kicks, CDC Director Redfield, HHS Secretary Azar are part of the problem. They represent Big Pharma's Medical Evidence Mafia and the good Dr. Fauci is the head Consigliere.  The other part of the problem is all the talking heads including the doctors that come on TV parrot Dr. Fauci and the CDC saying the same things.  The total absence of any mention of common sense nutritional medicine alternatives is stunning.

Even the Office of Dietary Supplements at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) says it is essential to take zinc as it helps the immune system fight off invading bacteria and viruses.  Yet nothing about this from Dr. Fauci or the CDC.

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If you think I've slipped a cog or I'm having a senior moment, check out the bio for HHS Secretary Azar...  He served as a K Street lobbyist for Big Pharma and was also President and CEO of Eli Lilly American Division...  Hmmm... ya think there just might be a bias towards pharmaceutical interventions for the COVID-19 infection and a conflict of interest regarding nutritional medicine?

The only exception has been a couple segments with Dr. Oz where he let it slip, albeit sotto voce, that vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc help the immune system fight off viral infections.

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The President's COVID-19 Task Force is apparently influenced by Big Pharma towards pharmaceutical solutions for the COVID-19 pandemic given the exclusion of alternatives as there has been a total absence of nutritional medicine including the use of vitamins and minerals capable of strengthening the immune system to help it fight off viral infections. 

Moreover, as vitamins and minerals can do this as well if not better than patented pharmaceuticals for less money and no adverse side effects, the Big Pharma will do anything to prevent this from being known by the public.  Remember the Big Pharma business case is built on the following:  There is no profit in dead or healthy people.

Dr. Fauci's adamant stance on testing for COVID-19 infection and total lack of alternative measures we could take at home while we wait 18 months for a vaccine is costing thousands of lives needlessly.  His stance is also denying President Trump with the game changer he desperately needs to stem the rate of COVID-19 infection.

There is absolutely no question that in a perfect world, Dr. Fauci is correct with his point of view.

The problem is this ain't a perfect world with the COVID-19 pandemic.  WE ARE AT WAR WITH A VIRUS THAT FOLLOWS ITS GENETIC CODE TO INFECT CELLS, MULTIPLY AND SPREAD TO OTHER HOSTS TO INFECT AGAIN... AND AGAIN! 

Doctors, nurses and first responders are dying from this infection.  Hospitals in NY are already at triage with doctors making life and death decision on who is most likely to survive and who is not, if placed on the limited number of ventilators. Yet word on the benefits of this simple regimen is not getting out to any them or the rest of us.

Vitamins and minerals do not require the medical evidence dogma of rigorous Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3 RCTs for safety and efficacy like pharmaceuticals.  These vitamins have well known safety profiles and they've proven effective in reducing the rate of viral infections like colds, seasonal flu and even wild type corona virus.

Accordingly, it's only logical that this regimen of vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc has the potential for stopping the SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 infection.  There's no risk or harms so nothing lost by telling the public about this vitamin and mineral regimen and everything to gain if this regimen prevents COVID-19 infection and saves lives.

As the COVID-19 Task Force is not telling VP Pence or President Trump about the very safe and effective use of zinc, vitamin D3 and vitamin C that could help prevent COVID-19 infection, I've launched a daily missive to every address I can find for Fox news and posted a message to President Trump daily at the White House website on this topic.  So far, there's been no evidence my efforts are working.

Here is where all of you at CH.com can help.  Go to the White House website at the following link and send a message to President Trump.

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In the first window you'll see Message Type: Select "Contact the President, then fill in the rest of the blanks until you reach the window titled: What would you like to say?  Fill it with the following message or your own words with the same meaning:

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"Dear President Trump, please tell the people of our great Nation that it is okay to voluntarily take 3 grams/day vitamin C, 5000 IU/day vitamin D3 and 50 mg/day zinc to help avoid a COVID-19 infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Your COVID-19 Task Force is not telling VP Pence or you about this safe and effective regimen and it is costing thousands of lives. Why? is another question.

We can take this vitamin and mineral regimen now without FDA approval or guidance by the CDC. It is readily available. This is the game changer you need to start the beginning of the end of the COVID-19 pandemic."
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Please send the above message daily. I've sent something like this message several times a week, but I'm sure the intern reading my messages hasn't a clue as to their importance.  However, if 50 to 100 messages come in daily with the same message, the odds go up, these messages will go up the pecking order until they find their way to the right people in the White House and hopefully to President Trump.

Now for the rest of this post.  For those of you coming late to this thread, please make sure you are taking at least 3 grams/day vitamin C split 1g three times a day, at least 5000 IU/day vitamin D3 and 50 mg/day zinc. I take upwards of 12 grams/day vitamin C and the 50 mg zinc on top of the 11 mg zinc in Kirkland Adult 50+ Mature Multi.

I also ordered a 1 Kg bag of powdered vitamin C and use it to refill a bottle of Fruit Fresh.  It's used to keep pears and peaches from turning brown when canning. It's also ascorbic acid (vitamin C).  It costs $5 and holds 141 grams of vitamin C so that works out to 3.5 cents/gram.  The 1Kg bag of powered vitamin C costs $31 so that works out to 3.1 cents/gram. A 1000 mg tablet of vitamin C at Costco sells for 8 cents.

I realize a Kg of vitamin C sounds like a lot, but it's less than a 3 month supply for a family of four.  That said if you put a dash in a glass of fruit juice, water (tastes great), screwdriver, bloody mary, virgin mary or margarita, it goes a lot faster. You'll find the Fruit Fresh at your local supermarket in the canning section at eye level above the Ball canning jars.

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Rationale for taking this daily regimen:

This combination of vitamins and mineral is one of the most important things we can take to boost our immune systems and prepare them to fight off COVID-19 infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  Vitamin C is a great antioxidant and it's also a potent antiviral that kills cold and flu virus on contact.  Accordingly, there is good reason to expect it will kill the SARS-CoV-2 virus as well. 

The following graphics tell the story better than any thing I could say

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The vitamin C (ascorbic acid) serum concentration needs to be maintained as high as possible with frequent dosing throughout the day to provide this protection.  As vitamin C is water soluble, any excess not taken up by cells is dumped over the side in urine.

Zinc physically blocks the SARS-CoV-2 virus from gaining entry to cells lining the lung's alveoli by blocking the ACE 2 receptors on these cells.  Vitamin D3 does its thing strengthening our immune system cells and mediates the immune response that has been found to run overtime during COVID-19 infections causing massive buildups of T-Lymphocytes (Killer T-Cells) in the lungs that have been physically eating cells infected and killed by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

There are three videos well worth watching while hunkered down at home.  The first link takes you to a video called "Battlefield Cell" by Curiosity.  It's a fascinating visualization of what happens inside a cell infected by a virus, an enterovirus in this case.  This process is the same for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

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The second link takes you to a wonderful video presentation by Dr. Linus Pauling titled "Preventing Illnesses and Diseases with Vitamin C." He was 92 at the time.

His theories and papers on high dose vitamin C had critics from Big Pharma and their acolytes coming out of the woodwork claiming he was a snake oil salesman for vitamin C.  When he died at age 93, he still had two more individual Nobel prizes than any of his critics and he had outlived most of them.

Linus Pauling won two individual Nobel Prizes. He won the first in Chemistry for his work involving the quantum mechanics of electrons, protons and neutron geometry as well as the nature of the chemical bond and its application to the elucidation of the structure of complex substances. (My degree was in Chemistry.). He won his second individual Nobel prize for Peace.  He helped stop above ground nuclear bomb testing.

This video will take you into the realm of orthomolecular substances, i.e., vitamins.  He explains they are not toxic at any dose and that substantially higher doses are needed to prevent and treat diseases than the RDA listed by the Institute of Medicine.  This should sound familiar for those of you taking the anti-inflammatory regimen.

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The third link below will take you to a brutally frank home video presentation by a doctor explaining how the SARS-CoV-2 virus is transmitted/shed, how it enters the respiratory system, infects cells lining the lung's alveoli and the chain of events that follow.

What this doctor left out of his presentation are the rescue protocols needed as soon as a COVID-19 patient is hospitalized and before the infection progress along the following: COVID-19 infection => Pneumonia => Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) => Sepsis, Sepsis Shock and Cytokine Storm => Multiple Organ Failure (MOH) => Death.

The three rescue protocols are (1) Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc,  (2) IV Vitamin C (IVC) protocol and (3) Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine (HAT) Metabolic Resuscitation protocol.  These three rescue protocols have greater efficacy if started as soon as there's lung involvement requiring hospitalization.  I would also opt for oral zinc and 50,000 IU/day vitamin D3 with any of them.

This video can be very disturbing, so when it's over, take a deep breath, let it out slowly and relax.  There are two things you need to remember at this point.  Pandemics always end and this one will be no different. 

The second thing to remember is our immune systems are far more powerful in protecting us from viral infections than any man made pharmaceutical or vaccine.  It's been doing this for thousands of years before modern medicine and vaccines or we wouldn't be here today.  Accordingly, as you're taking the vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc, your immune system is healthy and ready protect you from the SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 infection.

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As always, take care, keep me posted and hang in there.

V/R, Batch

It is a damned shame that this site -- which has done so much good for so many CH sufferers -- has now become the personal blog for someone who spouts this kind of nonsense.  I encourage people to do their own research and check the "facts" that are presented here before you give these claims any credence at all. 

Traveller wrote on Apr 4^th, 2020 at 4:55pm:

It is a damned shame that this site -- which has done so much good for so many CH sufferers -- has now become the personal blog for someone who spouts this kind of nonsense.  I encourage people to do their own research and check the "facts" that are presented here before you give these claims any credence at all.

The same policies that allow Batch to post his theories and opinions here are the very ones that allow you to post yours. Just FYI.

Personally I like to gather different opinions and theories. I obtain news reports from many diverse sources. I've found that no one source for ANYTHING is ever 100% right.....or 100% wrong. Everyone has bias, even those that try not to. It's human nature.

Bottom line to me can be found in one of the quotes here in my profile: “We see what we believe, not the other way around." That applies to everyone....realize it or not.

Traveller,

What IS damn shame that you didn’t provide some well reasoned alternative arguments, rather than just sniping.

Would you like to give it a try?

Peter.

Batch,

Can't too much zinc lead to a copper deficiency?

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As requested. 

1.  If you want the full, unvarnished version of the history of Linus Pauling, including his totally disproven claim that Vitamin C will “eradicate the common cold completely” and “cause a 75% decrease in cancer” read the following. 

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2.      The Vitamin C myth addressed. 

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3.      The Orthomolecular Hoax.

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Of course, these will all be dismissed as attacks by “Big Pharma”—the same industry that saves millions and millions of lives each year, but is a favorite target of conspiracy theorists like the author of this thread.

This is potentially dangerous stuff.  Despite the moderators claim that it is just opinion, the author of this thread is advocating that people use disproven and unproven methods to protect themselves against the Corona virus, and then suggesting that they communicate this nonsense to the White House.  It has absolutely no place on a site that is devoted to helping CH sufferers.  It should be taken down.

This site over the years has hosted more remedies, cures and suggestions than I could ever hope to remember.

We've had pepper-sprays, goji berries, melatonin, LSD and magic mushrooms, oxygen, religion, and the list goes on and on.

Some of these have been found wanting while others have gone on to become extremely effective therapies that are helping many.

It's up to everyone to look at all the information available and make their own decision about what's most suitable and just because I'm atheist doesn't mean for a moment I'd tell another CHead not to pray.

Take the best,  forget the rest.

I just came across this video regarding vitamin D and respiratory infections.  It's done by a British doctor and nurse educator which means it's a little less likely he's related to Batch.

Nor does he knock Big Pharma or anyone else and I found it to be quite sensible and re-assuring.

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This is kinda interesting. Living in Seattle where this virus established it’s first toe hold in the US I’ve found myself yelling at the TV for the past month or so. So many lost opportunities to be proactive have been lost and now we find ourselves have to be reactive to every changing situation. Why was the CDC was so slow to develop a test, why the CDC wouldn’t let the people running the Seattle Flu Study (they found the first case in Seattle with their own test) continue their testing. Why were they telling the public that face masks were ineffective at preventing an infection but now they’ve done an about face on that recommendation. That recommendation was based on supply rather than science. Why did they say it was not transmitted by aerosols (45 people out of 60 were sickened in a 2.5 hour choir practice where they purposely did not touch each other and spaced themselves out and said no one was coughing or sneezing....just maybe aerosols????). A friend of ours said today “we’re fighting two pandemics, one’s a virus the other is stupidity”.
    Where I’m going with this is just simple good old plain common sense. If the info coming at you doesn’t make sense don’t follow it. The president says something about chloroquine and the next day people are downing aquarium cleaner and dying. For God’s sake people use your head, it is the best tool you have.
    Wood smoke has a particulate size just slightly bigger the this virus and it floats in the air for a very long time just fine so common sense says wear a mask. Common sense says wear gloves, wash your hands, keep your distance. We were told only visibly sick people were spreaders, guess what? Wrong again. Common sense says anyone could be a carrier so any harm in erring on the side of caution?
   Vitamins. Anyone disagree that they’re essential to the performance of our bodily functions and shortages are detrimental to our health. I hope not. Most have been well studied to the point we have well established RDA’s. Some like
vitamin C move through our system very fast and are easily depleted. If my diet isn’t well balanced how do I know I’m ingesting enough?  Common sense suggests a multivitamin isn’t going to hurt you, taking extra vitamin C isn’t going to hurt you. Vitamin D is only made by exposure of bare skin to the sun. Up here where I live we tend to be a little short on that commodity so adding that to my diet only makes sense. I gotta tell ya, nothing in Batch’s post is going to hurt you and very likely will help if you’re lacking in those areas. The age category that my wife and I fall into along with the comorbidities we have put us at high risk and I can see absolutely no harm in taking a few extra vitamins. Common sense says that “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”. I’m good with a little insurance that my body has the tools to perform up to snuff.  😷😋.  Sean

Sean, Good post.

While the jury is out about the value of face masks, there are a couple of points that need to be highlighted.

The wearer of a face mask will more than likely get little protection, as the virus can enter the Trachea via the eyes. So, far more valuable is...don't touch your face, mask or not.

However, the real value of the mask is protection of others from the wearer. As the incubation period is between 7-14 days, during which time you are contagious, if you wear a mask, you are reducing the spread to others, to a large degree.

The basic precautions still remain paramount...Distance, couch or sneeze into a tissue, wash hands thoroughly for a minimum of 20 seconds, stay home, if at all possible.

On the Vitamin side of things, it is not possible to overdose on Vit C, so whether it helps you immune system or not, it can’t hurt to take it.

The Vitamin D advice has slowly been seeping out into the mainstream for a few years now. A crisis like Covid 19 brings an impetus on scientists to look for protections and cures with increased urgency.

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Stay safe and well,

Peter.

Thanks Peter, All true and the eyes are one area that’s difficult to protect unfortunately as goggles can’t be homemade very well. I like to compare us to machines sometimes, a well oiled, tuned up and well maintained engine runs better. We both consume oxygen to oxidize fuel, we’re like little furnaces forcing an average of 8 liters/minute of air through our lungs. We filter the intake of both furnaces and engines. Filtering the air we breathe just makes sense. The one place we really don’t want that virus is deep into our lungs where it can go to work immediately.
  😊 Sean

To All,

Sorry to be so slow.  I spent the last 36 hours trying to get my email send function back online and have yet to achieve success. I can receive emails but not send.  Attempts to reset futile. Nobody home at AOL due to the lock-down and I suspect I've had malicious intrusion in my account at the host.  On top of that, the bird dogs on my router firewall and Macbook Pro have also alerted a few times over the last week so don't be surprised if I drop off the net completely.

Everything I've read over the last two months leads me to conclude susceptibility to COVID-19 infection is no different than cluster and migraine headache.  It's due to deficiencies in vitamin D3 and very likely zinc and vitamin C.

On to the latest.  The following list of supplements represent the best available information I can find on nutritional preventatives we can take on top of the items put out by the CDC to prepare us for exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  This list of supplements comes from Dr. Ron Hunninghake, MD, Chief Medical Officer, Riordan Clinic, Wichita, Kansas.  He suggests taking them as an immune-boosting strategy to his staff and patients in the Riordan Clinic system.  See. START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

1.  Vitamin C: 1,000-2,000 mg, 3-4 times a day (to bowel tolerance)
2.  Vitamin D3/K2: 1,000 IU, twice daily
3.  Vitamin A: 10,000 IU, per day
4.  Zinc Picolinate: 30 mg, twice daily with food
5.  Selenium: 200 mcg, 1-2x daily with food

(Note: please implement BEFORE getting ill if possible.)

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For CHers presently taking the anti-inflammatory regimen shown above, all you really need to do is double the Kirkland Adult 50+ Mature Multi by taking one tablet in the morning with breakfast and the second with the evening meal and you've got everything in the above list covered with the exception of the vitamin C. 

I ordered a 1 Kg bag of powdered vitamin C from amazon in early February and use it to refill the Fruit Fresh shaker I keep on the kitchen counter.   For a family of four, a 1 Kg bag of powdered vitamin C is a little less than a 3-month supply at 3 grams/day per person.

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I put a dash (1/4 teaspoon = 1 gram) of vitamin C in juice or water at least 3 times a day. (Be sure to stir it for a while as it is slow dissolving).  For happy hour, I add it to a screwdriver, bloody marry or margarita and my favorite, a Tequila Sunrise.  Joyce does an Emerald Lagassie "Bam!" or two on fruit cocktail or fresh fruit. 

One of the Bio-Tech D3-50 50,000 IU water soluble vitamin D3 capsules a week gives you 7100 IU/day vitamin D3 so you're in great shape on that count.  It's still a good idea to pick up some 30 mg or 50 mg zinc tablets.  Zinc picolinate has the highest bioavailability.  However, its availability on amazon is starting to run low so I wouldn't delay in placing some on order.  If it's out of stock, zinc gluconate is also acceptable.

Understanding the rationale for zinc is important.  It interrupts the SARS-CoV-2 virus spike that gains access to cells lining the lung's alveoli at the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE-2) receptor on the cell walls.  (You can google "ACE-2" for some great graphic details on the SARS-CoV-2 virus infection process).  If the virus does gain access to the cell nuclei, zinc enters infected cells to stop the virus RNA from replicating.

I would also add Resveratrol or better yet the Resveratrol analog, Pterostilbene as it has a significantly higher (4 X) bioavailability.  Like zinc, Pterostilbene inhibits the replication of SARS-coronavirus (SARS-CoV) by inhibiting the RNA-synthesizing activity of SARS-CoV polymerases.  I ordered some from amazon yesterday.

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Our immune system is the only weapon we have in preventing and treating viral infections effectively. It's been protecting us from viral infections for thousands of years before the advent of modern medicine and vaccines or we wouldn't be here. 

Keeping our immune systems healthy with proper nutrients is key.  Antiviral interventions like acyclovir are largely ineffective as they only slow the rate of infection. Vaccines are also relatively ineffective in preventing viral infections.  They also insult the immune system making us more likely to be vulnerable to other pathogens.

Most of us have watched enough of the daily COVID-19 pressers to hear about hydroxychloroquine.  I have a degree in Chemistry and spent the better part of two years studying organic chemistry so I'll decipher this drug for you.  For starters, hydroxychloroquine is basically a man made analog of naturally occurring quinine (used to treat malaria) with a hydroxyl [OH] group added on one end of the quinine molecule, a chlorine atom on the other end and a rearrangement of a Quinine ring.

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A very sharp molecular virologist analyzed the hydroxychloroquine mechanism of action in treating COVID-19 infections and found this drug releases available zinc from a binding protein.  Accordingly, taking zinc is likely a reasonable alternative if hydroxychloroquine is not available. (I'll take it anyway along with 50,000 IU/week vitamin D3, vitamin C, zinc and Pterostilbene).  There are likely going to be shortages of this drug until production ramps up.

The mechanism of action for vitamin C in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 infection is relatively straight forward.  Vitamin C is a potent antiviral so it destroys the SARS-CoV-2 virus on contact.  Vitamin C not used by cells in the body gets filtered by the kidneys and pumped over the side in urine.  It has a biological half-life of roughly 30 minutes, so we need to dose frequently during the day to maintain its serum concentration as high as possible.

The rationale for taking vitamin D3 is also straight forward.  It mediates (controls) immune cell activity through genetic expression.  Genetic expression is the same basic mechanism of action that helps vitamin D3 prevent CH and MH.  Researches have found there's a huge rush of immune system killer cells and T-killer cells to the lungs during a COVID-19 infection.  The killer cells literally eat and digest the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the T-killer cells eat the infected lung cells.

This process creates a lot of cellular waste build up in the alveoli making breathing even more difficult.  When this happens the inevitable pneumonia caused by a COVID-19 infection that has already made breathing difficult, progresses to Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS).  At that point patients expend so much energy trying to breath, they tire out and slow breathing and this causes blood oxygen content to drop.  This is the point when patients are placed on a ventilator, essentially to breathe for them.

Available clinical data from two gold standard RCTs indicate these two rescue protocols are safe, effective and the needed formulations are readily available.  The first is IV Vitamin C (IVC) and the second is the IV combination of Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine (HAT) Metabolic Resuscitation protocol.  Both of these protocols have the greatest efficacy if started as soon as the COVID-19 patient is hospitalized.  They have also shown efficacy over placebo after the patient has been intubated and placed on a respirator as illustrated in the following graphic from the IVC RCT.  You need to ask the CDC why they refuse to recommend this treatment protocol.

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There are more than a few experts in nutritional medicine who opine survivability of these two rescue protocols could be further improved with oral vitamin D3 and zinc upon hospitalization along with continued oral vitamin C following the IVC.

God forbid any of us come down with COVID-19, so I'll tell you what I intend to do should this happen.  As soon as there's any indication of an infection, I'll call my PCP and immediately start loading vitamin D3 at 50,000 IU/day, double the vitamin C and Pterostilbene.  As soon as it appears the infection is causing difficulty breathing, I'm headed for the ER.

Upon hospital admission I will voice my preference for either of the IVC or HAT rescue protocols.  It's important to have this preference entered on the admission documentation as no members of the family will be allowed in the ER or ICU.  Moreover, should the COVID-19 infection progresses to the point where a respirator is required, they'll shove a tube down your trachea and you will not be able to talk. 

So much for a worse case event.  I'm confident, the above preventative protocol should reduce the probability of infection and should it occur, it should be relatively mild.

I ventured out Monday to pick up some fresh veggies and staples and was pleased to see Costco had 15 full pallets stacked with Charmin TP, but no paper towels or tissues.  Our local Safeway shelves for paper products were still completely bare with the exception of a few boxes of tissues that were marked one to a customer.  Safeway was out of vitamin C and zinc, but there was still vitamin D3 on the shelves.

In summary, we are at war with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the COVID-19 infection it causes.  SARS-CoV-2 is a novel (first time seen) virus that does not behave like wild-type coronavirus.  Data from case studies indicate this virus was likely engineered as a chimeric, weaponized virus possibly at the BSL-4 facility in Wuhan, China with gain of function.  The gain of function appears to include a higher rate of infection than wild-type coronavirus and the capacity to encapsulate to avoid detection with RT-PCR tests and reemerge 5 to 8 days after recovery (as indicated by normal chest X-Ray and negative RT-PCR test), shedding virus once again.  This may answer the apparent second wave function seen in other countries.  Senator Cotton thinks the same way.

We are at war with a strand of RNA guided by a genetic code to invade host lung cells, replicate, kill the cell and spread to other cells then move on to other hosts again and again.

There are no Rx medication approved by the FDA for use in treating this specific virus as it wasn't sequenced until 10 Jan 2020 and wasn't ID'd with a name by the WHO until 12 Jan 2020.  The HHS, CDC and FDA are regulatory organizations.  Nowhere in their respective mission statements does it say suggest alternate treatment modalities for diseases like COVID-19 if no FDA approved treatments are available.  The CDC did know from a 2010 research paper, the combination of  zinc plus a zinc transport molecule (ionophore) that facilitates zinc’s entry into cells efficiently impairing the replication of RNA viruses, like the SARS-CoV coronavirus. However the CDC fails to acknowledge papers like this because they don't meet the strict rules of medical evidence developed by the medical evidence mafia, Big Pharma's enforcement arm.

Accordingly, the CDC and FDA appear to be content to let Americans die from COVID-19 while issuing passive mitigation guidance for hand hygiene, social separation, lock-down and confusing mask requirements while they wait for the much heralded COVID-19 vaccine 17 months from now.  You need to ask Why?

On the vaccine topic, the CDC's own data on vaccine efficacy for influenza indicates an NNV of 71 for the average flu vaccine.  (NNV = Number needed to vaccinate to prevent one case of the flu).  This means that 70 of the 71 vaccinated with the flu vaccine have no protection for infection by flu virus.  See: START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

This begs the pregnant question, what is an acceptable NNV for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine we'll see in 17 months after the needless loss of lives from COVID-19?

With the exception of my intended actions should the fit hits the shan, everything in this post has published references.  I'm just the messenger. 

My motivation in starting this thread is simple.  I joined CH.com on a mission to provide information on safe and effective nutritional measures we can take to prevent cluster and migraine headache.  That information has always been coupled with the caveat to see your PCP/GP should you decide to put this information into action. In late January of this year, that mission changed.  Now my information outreach is focused on nutritional measures we can take to save lives.

Accordingly, If any of you find this PSA thread and my posts so inappropriate for this venue you're moved to protest, live with it or don't read this thread.  If you do decide to post in protest, please tell us why trying to save lives, particularly, the lives of fellow CHers and dear friends, is not on your list of "Things To Do".  I would just as soon have you here pitching hissies a month from now when this pandemic drops to a dull roar than not.

Take care,
V/R, Batch

Batch,

Thank you. 

May you and all your loved ones stay safe and well.

Peter.

Thank you Batch! Stay well.

Patti

Interesting video.  I'm hearing a lot of what I've been saying for years...  You decide.

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Dear Batch,

I appreciate your work on O2 therapy and Vitamin D3. But that appreciation cannot deter me from disregarding with you about some false facts you've said in this post.

I'll just cover some of them in this reply, quoting your corresponding paragraphs:


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

To All, Sorry to be so slow.  I spent the last 36 hours trying to get my email send function back online and have yet to achieve success. I can receive emails but not send.  Attempts to reset futile. Nobody home at AOL due to the lock-down and I suspect I've had malicious intrusion in my account at the host.  On top of that, the bird dogs on my router firewall and Macbook Pro have also alerted a few times over the last week so don't be surprised if I drop off the net completely.

I'm sincerely very worried about the somewhat paranoid comments you said in your first paragraph. "A malicious intrusion in my account at the host" is clearly an exaggeration.


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Everything I've read over the last two months leads me to conclude susceptibility to COVID-19 infection is no different than cluster and migraine headache.  It's due to deficiencies in vitamin D3 and very likely zinc and vitamin C.

There's no reference nor support for such an important asseveration.


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Understanding the rationale for zinc is important.  It interrupts the SARS-CoV-2 virus spike that gains access to cells lining the lung's alveoli at the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE-2) receptor on the cell walls.  (You can google "ACE-2" for some great graphic details on the SARS-CoV-2 virus infection process).  If the virus does gain access to the cell nuclei, zinc enters infected cells to stop the virus RNA from replicating.

Come on!!! Zinc alone will interrupt the virus spike accessing our cells?? That simple??

Another thing: the virus never gains access to the cell nuclei. It doesn't need to. It just enters the cytoplasm and makes ribosomes work for it since when they get access to mRNA (the payload the virus injects into the host cell), ribosomes tend to replicate it right away.

Look for at wikipedia: Viral replication


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Our immune system is the only weapon we have in preventing and treating viral infections effectively. It's been protecting us from viral infections for thousands of years before the advent of modern medicine and vaccines or we wouldn't be here.

The latter cannot be uttered seriously by anyone.

Our immune system didn't protect us well enough in the past. Your are forgetting all the past pandemics. Some of them
killed millions of people. And don't forget measles. And don't forget smallpox, that was eradicated thanks to the vaccine made from human science. The list is too long for this post.

You're forgetting the high rate of infants death before vaccines and before medicines were invented and produced in the last decades.

Look at the rate the human population has increased in the past centuries. It's because of vaccines and medicines. Before them, our immune systems only protected us from some infections, in a not always safe way.


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Keeping our immune systems healthy with proper nutrients is key.  Antiviral interventions like acyclovir are largely ineffective as they only slow the rate of infection. Vaccines are also relatively ineffective in preventing viral infections.  They also insult the immune system making us more likely to be vulnerable to other pathogens.

Please Batch. For the people like me, that respects you a lot, don't say again that "Vaccines are also relatively ineffective in preventing viral infections".

That's like saying the earth is flat. One simple fact: why smallpox is a nightmare from the past for Homo Sapiens?


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Most of us have watched enough of the daily COVID-19 pressers to hear about hydroxychloroquine.  I have a degree in Chemistry and spent the better part of two years studying organic chemistry so I'll decipher this drug for you.  For starters, hydroxychloroquine is basically a man made analog of naturally occurring quinine (used to treat malaria) with a hydroxyl [OH] group added on one end of the quinine molecule, a chlorine atom on the other end and a rearrangement of a Quinine ring. A very sharp molecular virologist analyzed the hydroxychloroquine mechanism of action in treating COVID-19 infections and found this drug releases available zinc from a binding protein.  Accordingly, taking zinc is likely a reasonable alternative if hydroxychloroquine is not available. (I'll take it anyway along with 50,000 IU/week vitamin D3, vitamin C, zinc and Pterostilbene).  There are likely going to be shortages of this drug until production ramps up.

We need many more scientific studies and research to be pretty sure that hydroxychloroquine works well. Don't forget that at least one man died because he and his wife took it without medical advice.

Look for nbcnews: "man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166"

Advising the intake of hydroxychloroquine in this post, without saying its toxicity threshold, could lead to the death of any of our fellow CHs.


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

The mechanism of action for vitamin C in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 infection is relatively straight forward.  Vitamin C is a potent antiviral so it destroys the SARS-CoV-2 virus on contact.  Vitamin C not used by cells in the body gets filtered by the kidneys and pumped over the side in urine.  It has a biological half-life of roughly 30 minutes, so we need to dose frequently during the day to maintain its serum concentration as high as possible.

It is not that simple, that "Vitamin C is a potent antiviral so it destroys the SARS-CoV-2 virus on contact".

No, things are not that simple. I'm so sorry.


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

In summary, we are at war with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the COVID-19 infection it causes.  SARS-CoV-2 is a novel (first time seen) virus that does not behave like wild-type coronavirus.  Data from case studies indicate this virus was likely engineered as a chimeric, weaponized virus possibly at the BSL-4 facility in Wuhan, China with gain of function.  The gain of function appears to include a higher rate of infection than wild-type coronavirus and the capacity to encapsulate to avoid detection with RT-PCR tests and reemerge 5 to 8 days after recovery (as indicated by normal chest X-Ray and negative RT-PCR test), shedding virus once again.  This may answer the apparent second wave function seen in other countries.  Senator Cotton thinks the same way.

Conspiranoid theories like this one are terrible.

The same thing (in reverse direction) are saying some Chinese...

This virus is just the expected mutation of coronavirus that many scientist feared. It was a matter of time. It is not an engineered virus. Just a new mutation of a family of coronaviruses known to man since many decades.

Don't forget that Chinese scientist were those who first decoded the viral RNA and published it to the whole world.

An interesting site worth visiting, to see how this virus is still mutating around the world:

Look for nextstrain dot org


Batch wrote on Apr 8^th, 2020 at 12:39pm:

Accordingly, the CDC and FDA appear to be content to let Americans die from COVID-19 while issuing passive mitigation guidance for hand hygiene, social separation, lock-down and confusing mask requirements while they wait for the much heralded COVID-19 vaccine 17 months from now.  You need to ask Why? Take care, V/R, Batch

The terrible fact, is that more than a hundred thousand of US people will die because of the slow response from their federal government, that was more worried about the economy and wall street and less worried about human lives.

Don't forget that that government was saying that this was not different from common cold, or just another flu.

Only a few weeks ago social distancing was parodied as an exaggeration.

It's not coincidence that the hardest hit country in the world by this virus, is commanded by people that didn't hear WHO warnings, that emerged since January.

And the list goes on and on...

And don't forget that a vaccine will not defeat this virus. It will only give us immunity from it for the future. What will really
defeat this virus is the hypothetical treatment that human science is yet to find. Some prospects are promising, and could be working as early as September this year. It's a work in progress.

Before that treatment, we have to take care of ourselves and the people around us. Staying at home when possible.

Please, take care all of you. Whichever mechanisms you decide to take, do it seriously, and accepting the consequences.

The part of you statement in bold text is incorrect.

Quote:

We need many more scientific studies and research to be pretty sure that hydroxychloroquine works well. Don't forget that at least one man died because he and his wife took it without medical advice. Look for nbcnews: "man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166"

From the article you referenced:

Quote:

An Arizona man has died after ingesting chloroquine phosphate — believing it would protect him from becoming infected with the coronavirus. The man's wife also ingested the substance and is under critical care. The toxic ingredient they consumed was not the medication form of chloroquine, used to treat malaria in humans. Instead, it was an ingredient listed on a parasite treatment for fish.

This person died because he ingested a product intended for fish, not the malaria drug that has been touted as a treatment for the virus.

Racer1_NC:

Indeed, you're right. That statement was incorrect. The man didn't take the same substance.

But the warning remains the same: avoid self medication without medical advise. And unless we're in the worst stage of this virus and without any other treatment possible, we must wait until more studies are developed, with more cases, and with the right control groups.

Hey hey!! It’s been a long time. Shouldn’t have left you, without a dope line to step to😉. I have added Selenium, Milk Thistle, and Turmeric to the regimen, as well as the Keto diet (since Sept. 2018). The anti-inflammatory regimen helps with building a bulletproof immune system, so I have not followed any propaganda this news is pushing dealing with Covid-19. Stay healthy, my friends!!!

Johnstrong - How can you build a "bullet proof immune system" against the corona virus if you have do not have antibodies against the virus?

Hey Traveller,

Great question.  The following immune-boosting strategy gained by taking the following nutritional medicine regimen suggested by Dr. Ron Hunninghake MD, Chief Medical Officer, Riordan Clinic, Wichita, Kansas to his staff and patients in the Riordan Clinic system helps boost the innate part of our immune system.  This is our first line of defense against the SARS-CoV-2 virus when we have no antibodies for this virus.

• Vitamin C: 1,000-2,000 mg, 3-4 times a day (to bowel tolerance)
  

• Vitamin D3/K2: 5,000 IU, twice daily
  

• Vitamin A: 10,000 IU, per day
  

• Zinc Picolinate: 30 mg, twice daily with food
  

• Selenium: 200 mcg, 1-2x daily with food
  

(Note: please implement BEFORE getting ill if possible.)

The following video explains how the SARS-CoV-2 virus enters cells lining lung alveoli to cause COVID-19 and how vitamin D3 helps prevent this from happening.

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Vitamin C is a potent antiviral that destroys virus on contact.  This is why it's important to maintain the highest vitamin C serum concentration possible by frequent dosing throughout the day.

Zinc helps boost the adaptive part of our immune system by boosting production of memory T-Cells in the thymus.  These cells develop the antibodies that have IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) that physically cling to target virus enabling them to be physically eaten by Killer T-Cells.  These memory T-cells encode the recipe for these specific antibodies into their DNA so that when they replicate, their offspring carry forward this recipe providing us life long immunity to that specific virus.

Zinc also works with vitamin D3 to help prevent SARS-CoV-2 virus from entering the ACE-2 receptor on cells lining our lung alveoli and when zinc enters these cells, it prevents this virus from replicating.

Watching the following video titled "Battlefield Cell" by Curiosity will provide a fascinating look into the battle taking place daily within the cells lining our respiratory tract and lining the lung's alveoli.  In this video the attacking virus is called the enterovirus responsible for colds and flu in some people but the processes you'll see are much the same for attacks by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

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Take care and please keep us posted.

V/R, Batch

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In fact, there is no scientific evidence that any supplement—vitamin C, vitamin D, prebiotics, or probiotics—can help prevent or speed recovery from COVID-19, according to Harvard. The Centers for Disease Control goes on to state this: "There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for COVID-19."  START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

So a small and obscure Kansas clinic --"a nutrition-based health facility" -- outweighs the overwhelming analysis and recommendations of medical experts at Harvard and the CDC.  The sources you cite are all part of the fringe "orthomolecular" movement, and should be taken as such. There is no sound, accepted, or proven evidence for these claims, which give people a false sense of security.

Hey Nicolás,

I appreciate and applaud your right to a healthy debate on the content of posts made on this website.  However, in the case where you openly discount my descriptions of vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc as false, there are more than ample examples my comments are valid.  I've taken them from open source medical literature, the molecular biology of these vitamins and minerals and from RCTs.

Accordingly, when attempting to obviate, dismiss and otherwise discount the content of my posts in this thread as untrue or false, please have the courtesy of providing readers with the "Evidence" my comments are incorrect.  I'll be more than happy to do the same.

In addition, if you're attacking the validity of nutritional medicine as being somehow less effective than pharmaceuticals, then I suggest we have a healthy debate in another thread.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Hey Traveller,

The following link will take you to nine (9) gold standard RCTs (randomized, placebo controlled and blinded) listed in ClinicalTrials.gov as proof with real medical evidence that vitamin C is effective in treating the Sepsis that occurs as a result of COVID-19 infection.

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Note: you'll need to copy the entire link and paste it in your browser to retrieve the cited RCTs

You'll find further evidence of safety and efficacy of Vitamin D3 and zinc in treating Sepsis at the following ClinicalTrials links:

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The following link will take you to a list of completed studies registered in ClinicaTrials.gov dealing with the use of vitamin D3 to boost immune functions.

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Yes, I can hear your retort now. You'll claim none of these RCTs were targeted against the SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 infection it causes.  While that is true as the SARS-CoV-2 virus wasn't identified until early January 2020 and not sequenced until a few days later, there are no such studies completed at this point.  There are however, a long list of RCTs registered in ClinicalTrials.gov targeted specifically at the SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 infection.

That said, Sepsis as a result of any infection be it COVID-19 or seasonal flu is still Sepsis.  That fact cannot be disputed.

Dr. Paul Marik's IV of Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine (HAT) metabolic resuscitation protocol has saved hundreds of lives of people with severe sepsis/septic shock.  He has an amazing video at the following link about the HAT protocol.  Watch Dr. Marik's face when he asks "What Happened?"

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The next link gives ICU nurses; perspective of the safety and efficacy of the HAT protocol.

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The goal of this thread is to provide information like this to readers in the hopes of helping save lives.  If you wish to contest these posts, please tell readers why you don't support this same goal.

Moreover, please provide the medical evidence in the form of peer reviewed RCTs that the use of nutritional medicine is unsafe and ineffective.  Two can play the medical evidence game.  In the history of the FDA's Adverse Events Reporting System, in operation since 1991, there has yet to be any deaths directly attributed vitamin C or vitamin D3.  That cannot be said for NSAIDs  (aspirin, Tylenol, ibuprofen, etc ), monoclonal antibodies like Humira (adalimumab) and the Statins.

Again, as I have offered Nicolás, please let us take discussions and debate on the merits of nutritional medicine to another post. The links you provided are classic examples of the medical evidence mafia at work trying to preserve Big Pharma's bottom line profits by dissuading people from taking vitamins and minerals as a valid hedge against infection as being unsafe and ineffective.

Finally, before you make a another dissenting post in this this thread, do yourself and readers a favor by perusing through the following vitaminDwiki.com link of 88 health problems either prevented or successfully treated with vitamin D3. Nearly all have gold standard RCTs as medical evidence as proof of safety and efficacy.

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Take care,

V/R, Batch

None of the links posted support your claim that Vitamin C kills the Corona virus on contact.  They do support claims that Vitamin C and others are useful in treating the symptoms of C-19; I have never disputed that.

The reason I contest these posts is that they are laden with unproven claims, and can offer people a false sense of security.  I am sure you sincerely believe that you are helping to save lives, but the reality is that you are spreading misleading and unproven assertions that could ultimately prove harmful if people accept them at face value. 

You are an adherent to “nutritional medicine.”  Nothing wrong with that.  But like others long before you, you make unfounded claims about the efficacy of the system(s) you support. 

I am done contesting.  Hopefully a few of us have raised enough legitimate questions about what you propose to lead people to do their own research and to follow the guidance of legitimate medical professionals.

   The ability to communicate ones thoughts and intentions clearly with no misinterpretations can be a difficult task, living with the same woman for four plus decades has taught me as much.😆🤣.  I was once asked what I preferred for dinner, rib steak or tacos, I chose steak and a week or so later I overheard her tell a friend that I didn’t like tacos.....say what? I said no such thing! Racer nails it when he says “we see what we believe!”
    So to be sure, I went back and reread this entire thread and not once do I find a reference that a vitamin therapy will prevent or cure Covid 19. I do find multiple references that a vitamin regime may help one’s immune system to accomplish it’s purpose.  To date the only advice the established medical community has offered is how to avoid exposure, some of that advice is wise and follows common sense, other advice has been misleading and some of it just plain wrong. But I haven’t heard any advice from that same community about keeping and staying healthy so that in the event we do become exposed to the virus we stand a fighting chance of surviving the infection.
     The medical community is learning how to deal with the virus as they go, previously established protocols are now failing and new ones are being learned...for example 80% of patients being intubated are dying, a simple oxygen therapy is proving to much more effective. This is just to say the established medical community isn’t always right and common sense should prevail when deciding what we as individuals can do to increase our odds of survival.
    If one does becomes infected the first line of defense is your immune system so let’s keep that bugger healthy. This thread is about line of thought, nothing more, nothing less. If people are inferring more than that I really don’t where it’s coming from.    Sean

Hey Traveller,

Thank you for the clarification.  In other words, you're concerned about proof of the actual mechanism of action by which ascorbic acid stops virus.  By that I take it you have no problem with people taking vitamin C to help prevent colds and flu.  If this is the case, it would appear logical and reasonable that people could take vitamin C to help prevent COVID-19.  Don't you agree?

You were correct in voicing your concern about the validity of my assertion that vitamin C takes out virus on contact.  You're right.  I didn't provide the required proof for that assertion.  If this is what all your quibbling is about, perhaps the following graphic will satisfy your concerns.

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○, HSV-1; ▵, influenza virus; □, poliovirus.

It comes from a peer reviewed article titled Antiviral effects of dehydroascorbic acid in the journal of Experimental and Therapeutic Medicine, Published online 2010 Aug 26. doi: 10.3892/etm.2010.139.

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"These results clearly show that dehydroascorbic acid (ascorbic acid hydrolyzes in aqueous solutions) inhibits the multiplication of viruses of widely different structures (regardless of whether they are enveloped or non-enveloped, double-stranded DNA- or single-stranded RNA-genome) and also that it inhibits virus multiplication whether the replication and transcription of the viral genome occur in the nucleus or in the cytoplasm of the infected cells." 

If my response above still isn't sufficient proof of safety and effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and treating viral infections, please see the following link.  It will take you to a selection of articles and research from the medical literature that are educational and helpful in considering the use of Vitamin C.

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I hope this answers the mail.

Take care

V/R, Batch

I'm all in favour of honest and spirited discussion on matters such as these, as is happening here, and it's also a timely reminder that people really should look at all angles to allow them to make a properly informed decision.

Should be more of it.

I think it is also fair to say, that you can’t believe everything you read on the internet. I was also told by a statistics professor that you can take a set of data and manipulate it to further your viewpoint.

Brian,

As usual, you're the voice of reason.  Accordingly, in order to lighten things up a bit in this thread, I came across several examples of DIY face masks intended to prevent the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 

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I know... another tasteless blond joke.  However, I married a blond and she thought the above photo was very funny.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

True story,  Batch.  I coughed on my laptop last night and it immediately started running an anti-virus scan.

Scarey stuff!

Brian,

Thanks mate, I needed that touch of humor this morning to start the day on a happy note.  Have a bonzer day.

V/R, Batch

Another benefit of taking zinc.

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Edited to add: From my own observation, I've found another benefit from taking 50 mg/day zinc.  Vision in my one good eye improves significantly.  I still need cheaters for close work as the plastic lens they put in during Cadillac surgery is set for 20/20 at 20 feet.  Even then I still need to bump the font size so I can proof my posts without zooming in and out all the time. :o

Of course zinc hasn't been through a gold standard RCT as a treatment or prevent against the SARS-CoV-2 virus and COVID-19 infection... but then nothing (no pharmaceutical, vitamin or mineral) has passed this milestone at this point 

That said, there's no issue with the safety of zinc or that of vitamin C, vitamin D3 and the rest of the vitamins and minerals people take.  All are classified as "GRAS."

GRAS is an acronym for the phrase Generally Recognized As Safe, Under sections 201(s) and 409 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) and Title 21 → Chapter I → Subchapter B → Part 182—SUBSTANCES GENERALLY RECOGNIZED AS SAFE, U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR).

Where things get itchy and sticky from a legal perspective, involves claims of health benefits.  This is where Big Pharma and their medical evidence mafia lobbyists on K street have written laws for Congress to prohibit such claims unless proven valid by a very complex set of rules laid out in the FDAs Guidance for Industry: Evidence-Based Review System for the Scientific Evaluation of Health Claims. 

This guidance outlines the FDA's approach to the review of the scientific evidence for health claims that meet the significant scientific agreement standard (SSA) and qualified health claims.  This is a multi-million dollar multi-year process that requires at least two prospective gold standard RCTs (randomized, placebo controlled, and blinded to avoid bias) that still faces final adjudication by a select board at the FDA, likely loaded with medical evidence mafia. 

If you think I'm kidding, this is exactly the process used to deny CHers on Medicare coverage for oxygen therapy as an abortive treatment for CH.

Bottom line, we are not prohibited from taking vitamins and minerals, we just can't claim they have health benefits in terms of efficacy preventing or treating any specific disease. 

Accordingly, talk to your PCP/GP about taking vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc, then you decide...

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Dear Nicolás,

Not to pick an old scab, but your comments about the SARS-CoV-2 virus being a natural mutation appear to have been overtaken by events.  The evidence I collected indicated the SARS-CoV-2 virus was a weaponized chimeric likely developed in the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, China appears to be approaching validity. 

If you didn't catch the news yesterday morning, Sec State Mike Pompeo has gone well beyond the theoretical in this "conspiracy theory" and is now in agreement with Senator Tom Cotton and calling for China to fess up about the involvement of the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, China with the origin of SARS-CoV-2 virus. 

This brings up another interesting factoid that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at the NIH, under the previous administration, funded (contract number R01AI110964) the Biosafety Level-4 (BSL-4) lab in Wuhan, China to the tune of $3.7 million.

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NIAID just so happens to be run by none other than Dr. Anthony Fauci, MD, Director, NIAID.  Dr. Fauci would have known about this as it's likely he was briefed on and approved NIAID funding of external organizations like this. It would be interesting to hear his rational for that funding.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Batch, I noticed mainstream media is discussing a link between a vitamin D deficiency and one’s susceptibility to the virus particularly in dark skinned people. Muy interesting.  Sean   

Sean,

Correctamundo!  Muy interesting and spot on.  Unfortunately it's still sotto voce at this point, but at least it's out there and in the mainstream media.  Let's hope this fact gains greater attention.  Thanks for the tip.

I did some checking this morning and found the following related information.  The first chart comes from the Brookings Institution.   It's a nonprofit public policy organization based in Washington, DC. Its mission is to conduct in-depth research that leads to new ideas for solving problems facing society at the local, national and global level.

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In Illinois, Blacks represent about 16% of the state but 30% of people diagnosed with COVID-19. In Chicago, Blacks represent 70% of people who have died from coronavirus. North Carolina, South Carolina, and New York show the same pattern with slightly smaller gaps. Among the four states shown below, Blacks are 74% more likely to contract coronavirus than their percentage of the state. These disparities are likely to continue as the virus spreads to new areas. The coronavirus has not even hit rural America hard yet, where many counties do not even have a single hospital bed.

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Source: BlackDemographics.com
In Louisiana, Blacks represent about one-third of the state population but 70% of COVID-19 deaths. Most of these deaths are centered in the New Orleans area. Blacks in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, represent roughly 45% of diagnoses and over 70% of deaths related to COVID-19.

This second set of charts come from a study titled Prevalence of Vitamin D Deficiency and Associated Risk Factors in the US Population (2011-2012), Parva et al., Cureus, 2018 Jun; 10(6): e2741.

Data analyzed in this study were collected through National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), specifically from a population of 4962 participants, age ≥20 years, who were hospitalized between 2011 and 2012. This cohort was stratified to divide the population into patients that were vitamin D sufficient (>50 nmol/L) versus patients who were vitamin D deficient (50 nmol/L). The risk factors were compared between the subpopulations in 2005-2006 and 2011-2012.

(My Comment:  50 nmol/L = 20 ng/mL.  CHers with a 25(OH)D3 serum concentration this low had the CH beast jumping real ugly several times a day/night.  Moreover, if the deficiency cutoff was up at 75 nmol/L (30 ng/mL) were most nutritionists and vitamin D3 experts say it is, the percentages would be even higher).

Of the 4962 participants interviewed in this study by NHANES 2011-2012, 1981 (39.92%) were vitamin D deficient (serum levels less than 50 nmol/L), a proportion that has remained consistent since 2005-2006, when NHANES found 40% of the population to be vitamin D deficient (Table ​1).

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When comparing this vitamin D deficient population to the remaining 2981 participants with sufficient vitamin D levels (greater than or equal to 50 nmol/L), several statistically significant correlations were found, each of which are illustrate below (Table ​2).

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And yes...  I can hear the purists claiming correlation does not indicate causality...  Painfully true.  That said, I'm just the messenger, but this should be a wake-up call to African-Americans and people with dark skin all over the world who are likely unimpressed with the technical differences between significant correlation and causality.

Take care and thanks again,

V/R, Batch

Certainly the figures appear higher for black people than white but how much of that is susceptibility and how much is lifestyle related?

Certainly here in Oz our aboriginal people live in very close-knit communities and just one infection would be an epidemic overnight.

Has this aspect been considered as part of the over-all count?

Good Morning Brian,

Great questions.  Unfortunately there was no apparent attempt to isolate lifestyle as a correlating factor in this NHANES study.  We can however, use existing data in the second chart as secondary indicators of lifestyle.  For example Poor Health, Obesity (BMI>30) and low milk product consumption all had a p-value <.0001 so these results are not due to chance.

Edited to add:  The susceptibility is due to the low vitamin D3 status.  Sufficient vitamin D3 would have helped the immune system fight off infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  Without sufficient vitamin D3, the immune system over responds to infections, particularly lung infections sepsis/sepsis shock and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) found in most hospitalized COVID-19 patients.  Sepsis is also the leading cause of death in COVID-19.  See:

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Without sufficient vitamin D3 to mediate the immune system, it over responds and too many killer T-cells, helper T-cells and macrophages migrate (chemotaxis) to the lung's alveoli triggering what is called a cytokine storm.  This is where the immune system's white blood cells release signaling molecules called cytokines, that further increases inflammation.

These cytokines include interleukin-1 (IL-1), IL-12, and IL-18, tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-α), interferon gamma (IFNγ), and granulocyte-macrophage colony stimulating factor (GM-CSF). The net result is a huge buildup of immune system cells and dead cells killed by the SARS-CoV-2 virus clogging the alveoli preventing the effective exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide. This is followed by progressive multiple organ failure (MOF) and death.

One of the more effective treatments for sepsis and septic shock, no matter how it is caused, is an IV of the HAT metabolic resuscitation rescue protocol.  This IV contains Hydrocortisone, Ascorbic Acid and Thiamine (HAT).  It is infused four times a day for at least 4 days. 

Dr. Paul Marik MD, discovered this protocol in 2016.  Watch his face when he asks "What Happened?" as he explains this lifesaving protocol's use in treating ICU patients with sepsis and septic shock.

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The following video of ICU nurses explaining how sepsis patients respond to the HAT IV protocol is also telling.

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As if the tragic loss of thousands of lives daily to COVID-19 weren't bad enough, the real tragedy as I see it, is failure of CDC, FDA and the White House Coronavirus Task Force to acknowledge the existence of vitamin C, vitamin D3 and the HAT metabolic resuscitation rescue protocol as effective interventions to COVID-19. 

You need to ask yourself, are all these experts really trying to save lives with their guidance?  It's inconceivable these experts don't know about these lifesaving interventions for COVID-19.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

To All,

Here’s some suggested homework for the weekend.  It’s likely you weren’t doing much that’s more important with respect to the COVID-19 pandemic.  Have the kids and grandkids watch these videos and you’ll be able to write off home schooling health education in the process.

The following videos are by Dr. Eric Berg, DC and Dr. Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.  (Dr. Patrick’s PhD is in biomedical science and she’s an acknowledged expert in nutritional health).  Neither are medical doctors, nor do the claim to be one and they’re not selling vitamins, only providing information about their importance to our immune systems. 

This is why I find their presentations so refreshing, fact filled and free of the medical evidence mafia BS that is allowing thousands of deaths daily to COVID-19 without offering a single intervention… only the promise that the vaccine will be here in 17 months. 

You decide if the time taken to watch the following videos was well spent.

Take care,
V/R, Batch

Dr. Berg’s videos:
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Her description of the importance of vitamin D starts at 24:52

As for the discussion I missed, about being questioned about having a bullet proof immune system, the mindset we need is prevention. Not Abortives, which is something the media is preaching. For example, I went to the Vitamin Shoppe this morning and they were out of Zinc supplements, just like how grocery stores are out of toilet paper and paper towels. Ended up getting a multivitamin, which helps me. I also got a supplement, N-Acetyl Cysteine, that supports lung function. Ick Zyrowski, who has a channel on YouTube that I’m subscribed to, posted a video about NAC this morning. Take a look, if you like. One love ❤️!

Nick Zyrowski, I meant

Hey Johstrong,

I'm with you...  Prevention is key and helping our immune systems prevent SARS-CoV-2 virus infection, COVID-19 with vitamin D3, vitamin C and zinc is the first step. 

Unfortunately, too many people are not taking this step as thousands are becoming needlessly fatalities to COVID-19 daily.  They should have received the HAT metabolic resuscitation rescue protocol for the sepsis and septic shock that was killing them, but didn't... Why?

Take care,

V/R, Batch

   Minimizing the spread right now is crucial but even if we see a big drop in spread soon this is just the beginning of what going to last at least a year or two. Probably the biggest reason to reduce spread would be to lessen the the load on our hospitals and care providers but in the end I’d guess 30% to 50% of us are going to to get infected. As we attempt to return to some kind of normalcy in the not too distant future it will start to spread again and again and we’ll be chasing hotspots all over the world. I hope I’m wrong but I’m not counting on it so the best thing I can think to do is reduce my susceptibility to the virus.  Lessening the seriously ill will also reduce the load on our caregivers. Those people already need a break.
  Sean

Hey, Batch!

In my assessment, it’s more profitable to keep people in a Abortive lifestyle rather than a preventative one.

Hey Johstrong,

Your last post has me a little confused.  I don't sell anything and I don't own any stock in vitamin companies nor do any members of my family.  I'm not a doctor so I do not diagnose, prescribe or otherwise treat people. 

What I do is provide information outreach about safe and effective nutritional methods of controlling cluster and migraine headache with vitamin D3 and its cofactors.  That has changed since early February where I now provide information outreach on nutritional methods of boosting immune systems with vitamin D3 and its cofactors. 

It's clear from several recent studies and research papers that the primary cause of death from COVID-19 is sepsis and septic shock due to weak immune systems.  People who are vitamin D3 deficient, a 25(OH)D3 serum concentration ≤ 20 ng/mL (50 nmol/L) tend to have weak immune systems.

What people do with this information is between them and their PCP/GP.  I'm just the messenger.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Sean,

Your assessment is spot on.  As soon as we break the lock-down, people with naive and weak immune systems will be infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus and come down with COVID-19. 

That doesn't need to happen if the public was told that taking vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc was an immune-boosting strategy that would help avoid infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus or at least lessen the extent of infection. Of course people would need discuss this with immune-boosting strategy with their PCP/GP before stating.

The problem is nobody is telling the public about this immune-boosting strategy.  The CDC, FDA and the White House Coronavirus Task Force have said nothing about nutritional interventions people could take to boost their immune systems or even pharmaceuticals for that matter. 

All we hear is guidance on hand hygiene, social distancing, shelter in place, gather in groups no larger than 20, and confused guidance on wearing face masks. Not one word about nutritional or pharmaceutical interventions.

Experts at the CDC, NIH and the White House Coronavirus Task Force appear to be content to wait 17 more months for a vaccine and that the deaths of over a thousand Americans a day here in the US is just an unfortunate result of the COVID-19 pandemic.  Please tell me if you see this any differently.

Even the President ran into headwinds from the "Experts" in the White House Task Force by suggesting hydroxychloroquine.   He finally had to pull rank on the FDA to waive the off label use restriction on hydroxychloroquine.  His comment to take zinc caused another furor.  That said, people were listening...  You can't find a bottle of zinc tablets anywhere.

In another life, I spent 24 years in the Navy as an Officer and fighter pilot.  My last shipboard tour was Gun Boss/Weapons Officer on USS Kitty Hawk (CVA-63).  In preparation for that tour of duty, I attended a required classified seminar on NBC warfare. The visiting lecturer for biological warfare came from the Fort Detrick biological defense program were they research highly infectious pathogens including virus.

The data they collected on weaponized virus indicated the pandemic they would cause in a heterogenous population like the US, would end on its own accord no matter what people did and that the likely life cycle of such a pandemic was two to three months. 

During that time, people with naive (no related antibodies) and weakened immune systems would die.  Some would become infected, but likely survive developing antibodies for the weaponized virus while others with strong immune systems would become infected, but never know it being asymptomatic and also develop antibodies.  This would build a natural herd immunity that would prevent a future outbreak by this same virus. 

I see this playing out today.  We're effectively a month and a half into the US outbreak of COVID-19 and if you'll check the worldometers.info website at the following link and scroll down to the graph of Daily New Cases, the number of new cases of COVID-19 in the US has just started to drop.  That would tend to indicate to me, the US COVID-19 pandemic will likely drop to a dull roar by mid to late May. All the CDC guidance has done is lengthen the cycle.

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Again, this rate of infection could be cut significantly, if people started taking vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc to boost their immune systems.  The video links I provided earlier today explain this in detail.

The issue we face now is how to get this information out to the public so we can end this lock-down and get our great Nation back to work and kids back to school without needless loss of life.  The CDC, FDA and White House Coronavirus Task Force have done nothing like this and I doubt they will. 

That leaves the President to spread this news.  Of course he will need to do a CYA and tell people to discuss this with their PCP/GP, but the word would be out and that would be huge.  He could even bring Dr. Rhonda Patrick, PhD or Dr. Paul Marik, MD on TV to explain how effective vitamin C, vitamin D3 and zinc could be in saving lives in the ICU and ending the COVID-19 pandemic here in the US.

Does anyone have any bright ideas on how to make this happen?  I've been sending messages like this to the White House web site and email to the TV networks daily to no avail.  That said, I'll keep trying.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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As a side note....I'm almost positive the virus has been here longer than anyone cares to admit. My two adult daughters and myself had the symptoms way before the supposed patient one in the US. Neighbor across the street, my lawyer's college age daughter, people where I work, all with much the same symptoms. Some on the mild side, some on the "it kicked my ass" side.

For myself, six weeks, 3 trips to the doctor and multiple medications seemed to finally "cure" it. My doc didn't really know what to call it at the time but "bronchitis sounds as good as anything" was his answer when pressed. Only problem with that assessment is that was unlike any bronchitis I've ever experienced.

I do know when the antibody test is readily available around here I will be the first in line.

Good morning, Batch! Happy Sunday to you 😊

My apologies for the confusion, as it was not my intention. What began for me seeing health in the Abortive and Preventative aspects began in May 2014, when I began seeing a doctor for my cluster attacks. The first visit, I was prescribed with Sumatriptan. I was informed that in the onset of an attack, use the spray and it shall abort the attack. T the time, I was more concerned with attacking the beast than putting a foreign chemical into my body, so I was game to try. However, it’s success rate was in the 50% range due to the least amount of times an attack was stopped for the day, the times it came roaring back after some hours, and times where the attack got angrier and grew worse. So, I’m back to receive another refill after going through the given refills like water (only 6 sprays in a box). So, my doctor prescribes me Verapamil. When he explained the research showed that Verapamil (blood pressure medication) prevents cluster attacks, I felt I had an Eureka moment. Though I was bummed to be 31 at the time and taking a blood pressure medicine, I was stoked to get me life back from the beast. This was in the middle of June 2014. At 80mg thrice a day, it busted the cycle only for the beast to come  roaring back at the end of August 2014. Now, I’m double dosing on Verapamil which leading to suffering from Constipation the week of Thanksgiving 2014. Fast forward to an cluster attack in September 2015 while on the phone with my then girlfriend, did a real breakthrough happen. She found this website, reached out to you, and had us both researching the anti inflammatory regime. At 80% efficacy, I felt like, in the words of our president, “what in the hell did I have to lose”? So, she bought me all the vitamins and minerals you suggested and, almost immediately, did it provide me the release of the beat. Once again, a preventative measure. You did state the importance of probiotics, in times of allergy season that you would need Benadryl since the serum goes toward any inflammation in the body. You also recommended Turmeric Curcumin, which I still take, and Vitamin C. Though I still had reminders that the Beast hadn’t totally walked out of my life, the regimen worked like gangbusters. And, still does to this day. When I got on the Keto diet on September 25, 2018, I began following Dr. Eric Berg on YouTube and had another Eureka moment when he stated that some of vitamins and minerals (K2, Mg, Ca) in the regimen is what the body needs to stay in Ketosis. That explained how some people began to lose weight once they started the regimen. This cemented the preventative lifestyle for me. If I understood how body can run like a well oiled machine, then I can give it what it needs rather needing prescribed narcotics that has unhealthy side effects, ie living an abortive lifestyle. Now, here we are in the times we are in with COVid-19. Dr. Berg, along with Dr. Nick Zyrowski, left YouTube videos explaining their opinions about the virus and what individuals can do to prevent viral infections. What they suggested is to boost your immune system. I’m not able to leave links to the videos since I haven’t posted here in a while, per administrator. I have listened to the Corona Virus task force on the news at work before being moved to work from home. All the media is pushing to to wash your hands, wear masks, and to await a vaccination that medical researchers are feverishly working on. Which sounds good in theory, but why not also tell people to load up of vitamins and foods that will bolster your immune system so that you won’t be susceptible to the virus, like Dr. Berg, Zyrowski, and Shiva🤔? My thoughts on why is that the need for people to stay at the mercy of vaccinations and medicine is more profitable for those at the mercy of big pharma’s graces than saving lives. In short, big pharma needs people to live an abortive lifestyle because big pharma would not be able to function if we all lived a lifestyle of prevention. Also, where was “wearing masks” when pollution was a major issue back in the day (poor air quality still exists to this day) or when cold/flu season is killing people, along with the importance of washing our hands? Do I believe social distancing is helpful? Most certainly do. Do I believe in wearing masks? Yes. I also believe staying home until all this blows over (getting your groceries delivered, video conferencing with friends and families) while cleaning up your diet and resting is more essential. To sum it up, I only get one body. I would rather preserve it by living preventatively rather than letting vaccinations be the end all be all. I’ve read up on the Spanish Flu. People will say that vaccinations have prevented another Spanish Flu event. However, no one talks about the nutrition before the Spanish Flu hit, just like nutrition isn’t being discussed in the media during COVid-19. A poor nutrition can weaken your immune system by robbing your body of its nutrients, making you prone to infections. With all that said, I appreciate what you have done, are doing, and will continue to do, Batch! You’ve given what has helped you in order to help others and I can not thank you enough. Because of you, along with Julie (the person who got me on this site), I’ve learned the importance of researching suggestion rather than blindly following expert opinions.

Racer1_NC wrote on Apr 19^th, 2020 at 12:29pm:

For myself, six weeks, 3 trips to the doctor and multiple medications seemed to finally "cure" it. My doc didn't really know what to call it at the time but "bronchitis sounds as good as anything" was his answer when pressed. Only problem with that assessment is that was unlike any bronchitis I've ever experienced. I do know when the antibody test is readily available around here I will be the first in line.

Me too Bill. I had a very suspicious bronchitis thing last year, which was unlike anything I have ever experienced. I never get bronchitis. When I realized how unusual it was, I hit it immediately with extra D3, C and zinc for many days. Even then, it took much longer to go away than my usual viruses. Maybe we will eventually get the truth as to when it actually arrived. I can't wait for an antibody test.

Racer,

I caught a blip on the news about random COVID-19 antibody test results around 03:30 this morning Pacific Time, but my VCR 1-hour timer was already maxed out so I couldn't replay or record it. I did hear a talking head, I suspect from the CDC, say preliminary antibody test results like this are unreliable as most of the commercial antibody test kits for COVID-19 are not FDA approved.

It should be obvious that if a COVID-19 antibody test process proves valid and is accepted as an approved test by the FDA, having a high percentage of the population pop positive with COVID-19 antibodies indicating immunity and no other indications of infection, shoots big holes in the requirement to vaccinate the entire population.  Accordingly, I suspect the FDA is going to be stingy with their approvals of these antibody lab tests as too many people with antibodies capable of life long immunity against COVID-19 doesn't fit their narrative that a COVID-19 vaccine is the only acceptable solution.

In checking further, it appears the comment about unreliability of some COVID-19 antibody tests has merit.  The leading antibody test comes from Vibrant America. 

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It measures three antibodies against four proteins for a 12-point matrix and what appears to be the most sensitive and specific test for a COVID-19 as illustrated in the graphic below. 

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Of course it costs $149 a pop and Vibrant America is still awaiting FDA approval.  In addition, I've not seen where this lab test is covered by the blanket coverage legislation.

Some of the initial testing with the Vibrant America antibody assay was done last week by a Dr. Haas on 24 patients.  18 were negative and most of them were surprised as many had some of the COVID-19 symptoms.

The other six had various positive patterns across the 12 data points. One had the antibodies and was no longer infected or shedding. Five of the six tested positive for the antibodies. Unfortunately these five had active COVID-19, but were asymptomatic, i.e. "Typhoid Mary" types who appeared healthy, but were shedding virus like big dogs. 

The interesting feature of this 12 -point matrix is they can pair assays for the three antibodies IgM, IgG and IgA to clinical observations to measure when the test subject contracted COVID-19.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Hey Johstrong,

Thank you for the clarification. I'm with you and we're on the same page. I've watched  Dr. Eric Berg's videos on COVID-19, virus, inflammation, little known facts about vitamin D3 and found all were fascinating well prepared and very educational.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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There's more important news from two recent papers about COVID-19, it's severity and vitamin D3 status.

The first paper is titled,

Evidence that Vitamin D Supplementation Could Reduce Risk of Influenza and COVID-19 Infections and Deaths.
Grant WB et al. Nutrients. 2020 Apr 2.

It provides a detailed analysis of role of vitamin D3 in viral infections including COVID-19.

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The second paper comes from the following link titled:

Vitamin D supplementation could possibly improve clinical outcomes of patients infected with Coronavirus-2019 (Covid- 2019) Mark M. Alipio

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This is a preprint letter that has not been peer reviewed.  It provides data from a case study.

Cases were all confirmed for COVID-19 and were grouped as follows:

1. Mild - presenting with mild clinical symptoms and no diagnosis of pneumonia

2. Ordinary - presenting with fever, respiratory symptoms, and a confirmed diagnosis of pneumonia

3. Severe - cases with hypoxia and respiratory distress

4. Critical - cases with respiratory failure requiring intensive care

Vitamin D levels were grouped as follows:

• Normal - vitamin D level of 30 ng/ml (75 nmol/L) or above

• Insufficient - vitamin D level between 21-29 ng/ml (51-74 nmol/L)

• Deficient - vitamin D level below 20 ng/ml (50 nmol/L)

What were the findings of this study?

The average vitamin D level of all 212 cases was 24 ng/ml (59 nmol/L). 

Of all COVID-19 cases:

• 49 (23%) cases were categorized as mild, with an average vitamin D level of 31 ng/ml (78 nmol/L)
  

• 59 (28%) were categorized as ordinary, with an average vitamin D level of 27 ng/ml (68 nmol/L)
  

• 56 (26%) were categorized as severe, with an average vitamin D level of 21 ng/ml (53 nmol/L)
  

• 48 (23%) were critical, with an average vitamin D level of 17 ng/ml (43 nmol/L)

• 86% of all cases among patients with normal vitamin D levels were mild, while 73% of cases among patients with vitamin D deficiency were severe or critical

For each standard deviation increase in vitamin D level, the odds of having a mild case compared to a severe case were 7.94 times more, and the odds of having a mild case compared to a critical case were 19.61 times more

All outcomes were statistically significant

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The following chart comes from a related NHANES study comparing vitamin D3 status by race/ethnicity.

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CHers taking the anti-inflammatory regimen have an average 25(OH)D3 serum concentration around 80 ng/mL. :)

The following chart comes from the study I've been running for the last 8 years of CHers taking the anti-inflammatory regimen with 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 plus the cofactors shown in the first photo below.  This chart illustrates the Normal Distribution and Cumulative Probability of lab results from 313 CHers participating in this study for their serum 25(OH)D3 concentration after ≥ 30 days on this regimen.

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The following normal distribution chart for baseline serum 25(OH)D3 comes from the same vitamin D3 study I've been running.  It illustrates the normal distribution of lab results for 25(OH)D3 reported at baseline from 313 CHers before starting the anti-inflammatory regimen with 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 plus the cofactors.   

You'll note that the mean 25(OH)D3 serum concentration from my study is the same 24 ng/mL as in the above case study.

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The bottom line should be clear.  Keep your immune system functioning properly with sufficient vitamin D3 and cofactors and the SARS-CoV-2 virus will have a hard time making you come down with COVID-19.

Take care,
V/R, Batch

Here's another excellent paper on the topic du jure Sean found.

Individual risk management strategy and potential therapeutic options for the COVID-19 pandemic

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The authors missed the connection between hydroxychloroquine and zinc where Hydroxychloroquine acts as an ionophore to transport zinc across cell membranes  lining airways and lung alveoli.  Other than that, the paper provides a sound strategy and very thorough coverage of therapeutic options.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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An antibody test checks the amount of certain antibodies called immunoglobulins (Ig) in your body.

Antibodies are proteins that your immune cells make to fight off bacteria, viruses, and other harmful invaders. The immunoglobulin test can show whether there's a problem with your immune system.

Some conditions cause your body to make too many or too few immunoglobulins.

Having too few immunoglobulins in your blood gives you a greater chance of getting infections. Having too many could mean you have allergies or an overactive immune system.
Types of Immunoglobulin

Your body makes a few different types of immunoglobulin antibodies, including these:

Immunoglobulin A: IgA antibodies are found in the mucous membranes of the lungs, sinuses, stomach, and intestines. They're also in fluids these membranes produce, like saliva and tears, as well as in the blood.

Immunoglobulin G: IgG is the most common type of antibody in your blood and other body fluids. These antibodies protect you against infection by "remembering" which germs you've been exposed to before.

If those germs come back, your immune system knows to attack them. Your doctor can test for IgG to figure out whether you've been infected by certain kinds of bacteria or virus.

Immunoglobulin M: Your body makes IgM antibodies when you are first infected with new bacteria or other germs.

They are your body's first line of defense against infections. When your body senses an invader, your IgM level will rise for a short time. It will then begin to drop as your IgG level kicks in and increases to protect you long-term.

RT-PCR Test for actual SARS-CoV-2 Virus.  Reverse Transcription Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) is a laboratory technique combining reverse transcription of RNA into DNA and amplification of specific DNA targets using polymerase chain reaction. It is primarily used to measure the amount of a specific RNA, in this case, the SARS-CoV-2 virus responsible for COVID-19.

The two major diagnostic labs here in the US, Quest Diagnositics and Lab Corp offer both tests.  The advantage of having these two test are peace of mind when going back to work or kids back to school, if you're positive for the SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and negative for the RT-PCR test for an active COVID-19 infection, meaning you're not shedding SARS-CoV-2 virus so you're not a threat to anyone. 

The other good reason for the antibody lab test is you'll be able to tell the Globalists and Medical Evidence Mafia to "Bug Off" when they try to mandate you take their COVID-19 vaccination next year. 

Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. This year's flu season is shaping up to be possibly less severe than the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season's 34,200 flu-related deaths.  Just remember, this is the same CDC whose "Experts" sent out thousands of  faulty RT-PCR test kits in early February contaminated with live SARS-CoV-3 virus reagents.

The following chart illustrates the number of deaths by week due to flu over the past few years.

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The important thing to remember here is there was an FDA approved flu vaccine for each of these years. You tell me how effective you think these vaccines were.

Once again, I'm not a doctor, I don't diagnose, I don't treat and I don't prescribe.  I'm just the messenger.  I will tell you what I take. It's illustrated in the following photo.

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With the exception of the Bio-Tech D3-50 that I take once a week, I take the rest of the supplements shown here daily.  In addition, I bumped my vitamin C from 3 grams/day to 6 to 8 grams/day in January and I also added 50 mg/day zinc along with a tablet of Quercetin daily.  My entire family and many close friends are taking the exact same supplements.

And no, I don't own stock in any nutraceutical companies.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

The video at the following link will not prevent people with low vitamin D3 status from being infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus nor will it end the lock-down any sooner for most of us. 

It will however, provide a chronological chain of events leading to the probability that the SARS-CoV-2 virus originated in the BSL-4 (Bio Safety Level 4) lab in Wuhan, China, why the SARS-CoV-2 virus is so much more infectious than wild-type coronavirus and possibly how we got into this mess.  It’s likely we will never know for sure if this is the case any time soon.  Accordingly, plausibility is up to the reader of this post.  I’m just the messenger.

The video is a documentary from The Epoch Times titled, "Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Virus."  It unearths facts that mainstream media has largely ignored.  Please click on the following link and watch this video first, then continue reading the rest of this post.

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Once you’ve watched this video, move the progress slider back to 23:45 and click the play button.  You’ll hear from the author of this video, that on 16 October 2014, the Obama administration, worried about the threat to public health from gain-of-function (GOF) research into SARS, MERS and influenza like virus, announced through the National Institutes of Health (NIH), it was suspending (US taxpayer’s) funding for similar GOF research.  That funding pause included funding to Doctor Shi Zhengli’s research project at the BSL-4 lab Wuhan, China. 

This is where a collaborative effort had been underway with Dr. Ralph S. Baric, a professor at the University of North Carolina, to conduct genetic engineering of SARS like Coronavirus in bats.  Doctor Shi Zhengli worked with Doctor Ralph S. Baric, University of North Carolina together with others, published an article in a 2015 edition of Nature Medicine.  In the article they discussed bat coronaviruses that showed potential for human emergence.

Dr. Baric runs a BSL-3 lab at the University of North Carolina and partnered with the biopharmaceutical company Gilead Sciences Inc. on a broad-spectrum antiviral drug called remdesivir, an adenosine analogue, which inserts into viral RNA chains, causing their premature termination.  Honestly… I don’t make this stuff up.  You connect the dots. I’m just the messenger.

The following reports and links unravel this funding.  Upon closer examination, this funding came from a contract let by the National Institutes of Allergy & Infectious Diseases (NIAID). For reference, NIAID is run by none other than Dr. Anthony Fauci, MD, who has been the Director at NIAID since 1984 under six different Presidents.

Statement on Funding Pause on Certain Types of Gain-of-Function Research  October 16, 2014

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The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy announced today that the U.S. government will undertake a deliberative process to assess the risks and benefits of certain gain-of-function (GOF) experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in order to develop a new Federal policy regarding the funding of this research.

During this deliberative process, U.S. government agencies will institute a pause on the funding of any new studies involving these experiments. For purposes of the deliberative process and this funding pause, “GOF studies” refers to scientific research that increases the ability of any of these infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets.

NIH has funded such studies because they help define the
fundamental nature of human-pathogen interactions, enable the assessment of the pandemic potential of emerging infectious agents, and inform public health and preparedness efforts. These studies, however, also entail biosafety and biosecurity risks, which need to be understood better.

For those of you who may not be familiar with this topic, gain-of-function research refers to any modification of a biological agent — like viruses or bacteria — that gives it new or enhanced activity, such as the ability to infect a host. While research on factors that could increase transmission or infection can be important for informing prevention strategies, some information from these studies might also be misused for harmful purposes.

Potential Risks and Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research: Summary of a Workshop. 2015 Apr 13

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“Ultimately, GoF studies, which enhance viral yield and immunogenicity, are required for vaccine development.”

The Contract: 

Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence
Award Number: R01AI110964
ORGANIZATION: NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY & INFECTIOUS DISEASES (NIAID)
OPDIV: NIH
AWARD CLASS: DISCRETIONARY
AWARD ACTIVITY TYPE: SCIENTIFIC/HEALTH RESEARCH (INCLUDES SURVEYS)
AWARDEE:
ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE INC 1200 LINCOLN AVENUE PROSPECT PARK, NY 10001

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Contract Statement of Work (SOW): 3. Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.

Issue Date FY: 2019 ( Subtotal = $661,980 )
Issue Date FY: 2018 ( Subtotal = $581,646 )
Issue Date FY: 2017 ( Subtotal = $597,112 )
Issue Date FY: 2016 ( Subtotal = $611,090 )
Issue Date FY: 2015 ( Subtotal = $630,445 )
Issue Date FY: 2014 ( Subtotal = $666,442 )
Grand Total All Awards = $3,748,715

Upon further research, I found that NIH (NIAID) has been doing business with Ecohealth Alliance Inc. since 2002 as illustrated in contract dollars awarded since that date.  They have between 50 and 100 employees and are located in Prospect Park, NY. Given their location, they would hardly be conducting recombinant DNA gene splicing of infections virus.

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It's a common practice of many small business government contractors, to “Pass Through” actual research like this to other organizations like Universities and other entities with the requisite facilities and skill sets to do this kind of work.   Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to expect this contracted work and funding found its way from Ecohealth Alliance Inc., to Dr. Baric at the University of North Carolina and Dr. Shi Zhengli at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, China.

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I was a Technology Consultant specializing in research and development as well as field testing of advanced hand-held combat systems, on several government contracts at Booz Allen Hamilton for the better part of 15 years since September of 1991.  Accordingly, as a government contractor, I’m very familiar with government contracting practices. 

These government contracts always have “Deliverables” spelled out in the contract Statement of Work (SOW).  These deliverables are typically in the form of “goods and services” including research and engineering and always, written reports.  Although Dr. Fauci would not have signed the contracts to Ecohealth Alliance Inc, he would have been well aware of NIAID funding for Extramural Research like this and a likely recipient of written reports of such contracted activities.

This begs the rhetorical question, “What did Dr. Fauci know and when did he know it?”  Not a word of any of this has come out in any of the White House pressers with Dr. Fauci leading the White House Corona Virus Task Force.  One might expect, after 36 years receiving reports of studies on infectious virus, that somewhere in the pile of paper, there's a pony... in this case, an effective intervention.  I’ll leave any further discussions and thoughts on this topic up to your own cogitation.  I’m just the messenger.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Good afternoon, family

I just finished my first run of the video, as well as reading the 2014 article of the funding pause. Very interesting. I will read the links you left and let my curiosity dig further, Batch. I’m sure my digging will lead to more research. Take care, y’all

Here's a thinker that jumps right out of the COVID-19 stats.  We pat ourselves on the back because we're doing so great during the COVID-19 pandemic by testing, hand hygiene, a country-wide shutdown and social distancing (while destroying the greatest economy in history in the process).

However, compared to India, the world's second largest population, it has a population density 11 times greater than the US.  We test for COVID-19 31 more times per million than India, yet India has a COVID-19 death rate of 0.7/million and the US death rate is 179/million, 242 times greater than India.   

Why is that? What do the Indian people know that we don't?

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India has excellent doctors, many were trained here in the US, but they don't have a National Healthcare system like ours.  At best, they have Brahma-care.

Some will argue our medical reporting system is far superior to that in India and that may be true.  However, I've a hard time thinking our medical reporting system is 200 times better.  Me thinks it's Turmeric (Curcumin).  There is hardly a meal made without this spice in India.

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It turns out there's a recent gold standard randomized RCT of Turmeric (Curcumin) titled, Effects of phytosomal curcumin on anthropometric parameters, insulin resistance, cortisolemia and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease indices: a double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial by Cicero et al., Eur J Nutr. 2020; 59(2): 477–48.

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The title of this study may be a little misleading. However, it's important to note the conditions listed in this study are part of the Metabolic Syndrome.  Nearly all of the hospitalized COVID-19 patients suffer from the Metabolic Syndrome that also includes a weakened and dysfunctional immune system that ultimately for the critical cases, results in sepsis, septic shock, and cytokine storm followed by multiple organ failure and death.

Hmmm . . . Maybe we should start taking some Turmeric (Curcumin).

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Batch,

Christine and I have been taking it daily for a couple of years. Don’t know if it is a factor in helping to avoid Covid 19 and I’m not putting it to the test.

But it can’t hurt, just like Vit-C, D3, Zinc etc.

Following the hand washing, mask, distancing recommendations AND taking good dietary supplements to support your immune system may not save our lives, but we sure as hell are improving the odds.

The same applies to Cluster Headache.

Better to have an arsenal, than rely on one arrow.

Stay safe everyone,

Peter.

"...and the US death rate is 179/million."

Batch,  you are making us Aussies and Kiwis feel lousy because we can't even manage 4 deaths per million of population.

Your  'greatest-economy-in-the-history-of-the-world'  must know something we don't.

Yes, I know...  It appears our CDC is trying to make all this look as bad as possible so they can mandate COVID-19 vaccinations when the FDA finally approves a vaccine.  Until then they may have a finger on the scale per the following...

The US Gov. Health Statistics Agency Directs Hospitals to Confirm Suspected COVID-19 Deaths As Confirmed...

A document has surfaced revealing that the government's own health statistics agency is now directing hospitals to define deaths merely suspected to be linked to COVID-19 as confirmed on death certificates.

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I've not seen the comparison with historical data, but it looks like there haven't been any deaths attributed to the seasonal flu since the pandemic hit here in the US.  No deaths due to pneumonia either.

You've just come off one of the hottest summer seasons in history down under so I'm thinking most Australians have developed sufficient cutaneous vitamin D3 to keep their immune systems healthy enough to fight off the SARS-CoV-2 virus and prevent the COVID-19 infection.

It also looks like Australia is out of the woods with respect to the pandemic cycle as new cases are dwindling.

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Many African countries and others in equatorial regions have zero deaths due to COVID-19 so I suspect cutaneous vitamin D3 is playing a preventative role there as well.

As long as the beer supply holds, I think we can make it...

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Getting back to the Metabolic Syndrome...  and why so many COVID-19 patients who have this syndrome die...

The Metabolic Syndrome is a constellation of medical conditions that include (from Wikipedia): abdominal obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, and low serum high-density lipoprotein.  These conditions are also closely associated with the increased risk of developing Type 2 Diabetes and Cardiovascular Disease.

For those of you who downloaded the initial anti-inflammatory regimen CH and MH preventative treatment protocol I posted at the following link on vitaminDwiki in January of 2017, you may recall the section on diet being an integral part of preventing cluster headache.

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I've updated the latest version of this treatment protocol with the following: 

Diet has become an integral part of the anti-inflammatory regimen. A growing number of studies using the Atkins-Ketogenic diets are proving effective in reducing the frequency of CH and MH.

These diets are best started with a 24 to 36 hour fast to burn excess glycogen stored in the liver. When the fast is complete, avoid all sugars including fruit juices high in fructose. Avoid all wheat products including bread, pasta, cookies, cakes and pizza...

I know...  yada yada yada...  I can hear it now...  He's just a 75-year-old retired Navy fighter pilot and not a doctor...  so what does he know?

Well... my organic chemistry is a bit dated, but I do recall the biochemistry of sugars and carbohydrates...

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Now he's really lost it.  Well...  It wouldn't be the first time...  That said, watch the following video.  It brings a little biochemistry,  clinical research, public health, politics and and a lot of nutrition into a compelling presentation titled "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" by Dr. Robert Lustig, MD, Professor of Pediatrics Division of Endocrinology, UCSF.

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Once you've watched this video, you'll see where the Metabolic Syndrome puts people behind the 8-ball when they come down with COVID-19.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Speaking as a cluster head living the Keto lifestyle, I appreciate the post. The diet has helped the regimen keep me ahead of the beast

Here's another well worded essay on IV Vitamin C being used to stop the SARS-CoV02 virus and rapidly heal COVID-19 infections. The dose is 6,000 mg/day to 16,000 mg/day up to as much as 24,000 mg/day vitamin C administered IV 4 times a day for 4 to 7 days.

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Hospitals that start vitamin C infusions upon admittance of COVID-19 patients report 100% success rates.

Now, ask yourself, have you seen anything about IV vitamin C  (IVC) infusions in the news?  I think not.  Big Pharma and their political action arm, the Medical Evidence Mafia, have succeeded in bamboozling the illiterati in the press and TV networks to downplay and attack articles about vitamin C and vitamin D3 as "fake or unproven coronavirus remedies." 

In the case of vitamin C and vitamin D3 RCTs, this is nowhere near the truth.  There are several gold standard, randomized, placebo controlled and blinded RCTs for both vitamins that provide real proof with real medical evidence of safety and efficacy so there is nothing fake or unproven about the use of these vitamins and minerals to boost immune system functions and in the process help prevent viral infections or in treating the leading cause of death in COVID-19 patients, Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), Sepsis/Septic Shock and multiple organ failure (MOF).
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Phase I safety trial of intravenous ascorbic acid in patients with severe sepsis
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There's a long list of studies and papers on the topic of treating viral infections and the pneumonia that frequently follows with vitamin C at the following link:
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Effect of Cholecalciferol Supplementation on Vitamin D Status and Cathelicidin Levels in Sepsis: A Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Trial
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Impact of High-Dose Vitamin D3 on Free Plasma 25-Hydroxyvitamin D Concentrations and Antimicrobial Peptides in Critically Ill Mechanically Ventilated Adults
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There are 10 completed gold standard RCT using vitamin D3 to treat Metabolic Syndrome at the following link:
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Among COVID-19 patients, Respiratory failure remained the leading cause of death (69.5%), following by sepsis syndrome/MOF (28.0%), cardiac failure (14.6%), hemorrhage (6.1%), and renal failure (3.7%). Furthermore, respiratory, cardiac, hemorrhage, hepatic, and renal damage were found in 100%, 89%, 80.5%, 78.0%, and 31.7% of patients, respectively.
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Unfortunately, it's not just the news networks that are downplaying any health benefits from vitamins.  Big Government and in particular HHS, NIH, CDC and the FDA avoid mentioning anything positive about vitamins like the third rail.  There hasn't been a peep out of the White House Coronavirus Task force on the topic of vitamins as a prevent or treatment for COVID-19 or any other viral infection for that matter. 

The lead talking head of this task force, Dr. Anthony Fauci waxed eloquently on the mitigation steps to "flatten the curve," hand hygiene, social separation and hunker in place.  He was also upbeat on initial Remdesivir clinical trial results until recently.  Not  a peep out of him or the news media over the results of the first RCT of Remdesivir now that the results are out... and for good reason...  It didn't work.

First placebo-controlled RCT on remdesivir for COVID-19. Wang et al:  Remdesivir in adults with severe COVID-19:  a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicenter trial
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"The primary endpoint was time to clinical improvement (defined as discharge from hospital or as improvement by 2 points on a six-point ordinal scale of disease severity).  There was no difference in this endpoint:"

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In a second study of Remdesivir published in the NEMJ were there were  initial flowering terms of efficacy.   The Pros from Dover (from the Movie M.A.S.H.) at EMCrit and PulmCrit see it differently.  EMCrit is an online venue and BLOG for physicians who practice Emergency Medicine.  PulmCrit exists within the EMCrit structure.   

The EMCrit Mission Statement:  EMCrit is devoted to Maximally Aggressive Care: Maximally Aggressive Curative Care and Maximally Aggressive Palliative Care

To that end, we bring the best evidence-based information from the fields of critical care, resuscitation, and trauma and translate it for bedside use in the Emergency Department (ED) and the Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

You find these EM physicians in the ER at most hospitals and in all hospitals with a Level 1 Trauma Center.  Here's how PulmCrit rates the study in the NEMJ.

PulmCrit – Eleven reasons the NEJM paper on remdesivir reveals nothing
April 11, 2020 by Josh Farkas
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Note:  I've included comments for the first two reasons.  You'll need to click on the above link for additional
details.  Dr. Farkas dismantles the Gilead study using real medical evidence requirements and in doing so turns the table on Gilead showing once again, Big Pharma cannot be trusted when running RCTs on their own patented pharmaceuticals.  The Medical Evidence Mafia should have thrown the BS flag at this study, but instead has remained quiet.  They know this study was a sham so have avoided calling any attention to its results.

#1.  Lack of a control group
Lack of any control group makes it extremely important that the patients were selected in an unbiased fashion, representing an average group of patients with COVID-19.  Unfortunately, this wasn’t the case…

#2.  Cherry-picking Patients
The manuscript is extremely coy regarding how many patients applied to use remdesivir and how this application process worked.  For example, there is no documentation of how many patients applied.  There is no data comparing characteristics of patients included in the study versus patients denied medication.  Given lack of any control group (#1 above), lack of transparency about this selection process is stunning.

The fact is that Gilead excluded many patients at a higher likelihood of dying (e.g., patients on vasopressors or patients with renal failure).  The manuscript doesn’t mention vasopressors, but this was an exclusion factor in the United States. Thus, it seems that the selection process may have been designed to capture patients maximally likely to recover, rather than patients maximally likely to benefit from remdesivir.

#3.  Loss of patients due to “no post Day 1 clinical data”

#4.  Lack of defined sample size or stopping rule

#5.  Lack of a primary endpoint

#6.  Lack of information about the subjects

#7.  Inclusion of many patients who weren’t very ill

#8.  Delayed administration of Remdesivir

#9.  Outcomes weren’t that awesome
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#10.  Possible signs of harm are obscured without a control group

#11.  Heavy involvement of pharma
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Patient selection was performed by Gilead.  Funding was provided by Gilead.  Subsequently, the manuscript was largely written by professional writers employed by Gilead.

Over fifty doctors are listed as the co-authors.  This author pool obviously has the talent and knowledge to draft an original manuscript.  Why couldn’t they write the manuscript on their own, without professional help?  Gilead probably didn’t want them to write an original and bias-free manuscript.

• This publication is grossly flawed, with many sources of bias. Overall, it reveals no meaningful information about Remdesivir.

• Like any new medication with unclear side-effects, Remdesivir should be subjected to RCTs.

• Gilead is a multi-billion-dollar pharmaceutical company, with ample resources.  We are in the midst of a pandemic, with an abundance of COVID patients.  There is no excuse for Gilead not to perform a well-powered, double-blind RCT. Hopefully such studies will be forthcoming shortly.

• Until an RCT is performed, further compassionate use of remdesivir probably isn't justified. This may simply represent a distraction when managing these extremely complex patients.
  

Regarding vaccinations. The following link will take you to the FDA's list of licensed vaccines.

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Nowhere in this list will you find vaccines for HIV, SARS, MERS or any of the wild-type coronavirus.  There are likely several reasons why no vaccines have been developed for these virus, but that doesn't stop Dr. Fauci and White House Coronavirs Task Force or the news media from beating the drums about a clinical trial of a COVID-19 vaccine that just stared.  They're even shifting the goal posts away from the initial 18 months to conduct the necessary "disciplined and rigorous testing" to a potential September release for emergency use.

If you want a fascinating insight to what goes on in the ED treating COVID-19 patients, watch the following webinar by Dr. Scott Weingart, MD, founder of EMCrit at the following link:

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My impression after watching these two videos of ED professionals exchanging experiences with COVID-19 patients presenting with baffling symptoms they've never seen and don't understand reminds me field hospitals in Vietnam.  In a word, M.A.S.H.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

In keeping with the theme of this PSA, providing important news and facts we all need in dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic, the following link will take you to the "PlanDemic" Movie.

It does a far more thorough job of connecting the dots I've been picking away at since January in this PSA thread.  It provides a coherent presentation of disturbing facts I fear too many may find difficult to comprehend. 

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Big Pharma has been an easy target of my missives.  As the news plays out about corruption at the highest levels of the FBI and Department of Justice, pointing the proverbial finger at the Deep State movements in Big Government becomes an easy thing to do.  After watching the PlanDemic Movie, I think you'll find it easy to see there's a far more evil Deep State operation in play in HHS, NIH, CDC and the FDA.

If you're like me, you're asking what can I do?  In this case the simple answer is to operate from a position of strength.  We vote.  Accordingly, sending this link to your Senators and Representative with the following note is a good way of starting the ball rolling to correct the problems pointed out in the PlanDemic Movie.

Dear Senator or Representative.  After watching the PlanDemic Movie, are you part of the problems identified in this video or, are you part of the solution to start fixing these problems.  Failure to take action in Congress to start fixing these problems is an admission you're part of the problem.

Take care and remember, there are too many in Big Government who do not have your health and safety as their mission.

V/R, Batch

Sorry for the wild goose chase.  It appears Youtube, Vimeo and Facebook all fell victim to censorship so pulled the PlanDemic documentary. 

Fortunately Brighteon.com is censor-proof so still has this documentary available at the following link.

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What is very telling is the rapid explanation for the removal of this documentary is loaded with facts that could only have come from NIH and Dr. Fauci at NIAID.  Again, I've not found anything in this documentary that is obviously untrue.  There is no doubt, Dr. Fauci has spent over $12 million of tax payer dollars on coronavirus research since 2002 and more recently on "Gain of Function" at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, China, with contracts worth $3.7 million since 2014.

Statement on Funding Pause on Certain Types of Gain-of-Function Research  October 16, 2014

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The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy announced today that the U.S. government will undertake a deliberative process to assess the risks and benefits of certain gain-of-function (GOF) experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in order to develop a new Federal policy regarding the funding of this research.

During this deliberative process, U.S. government agencies will institute a pause on the funding of any new studies involving these experiments. For purposes of the deliberative process and this funding pause, “GOF studies” refers to scientific research that increases the ability of any of these infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets.

NIH has funded such studies because they help define the
fundamental nature of human-pathogen interactions, enable the assessment of the pandemic potential of emerging infectious agents, and inform public health and preparedness efforts. These studies, however, also entail biosafety and biosecurity risks, which need to be understood better.

For those of you who may not be familiar with this topic, gain-of-function research refers to any modification of a biological agent — like viruses or bacteria — that gives it new or enhanced activity, such as the ability to infect a host. While research on factors that could increase transmission or infection can be important for informing prevention strategies, some information from these studies might also be misused for harmful purposes.

Potential Risks and Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research: Summary of a Workshop. 2015 Apr 13

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“Ultimately, GoF studies, which enhance viral yield and immunogenicity, are required for vaccine development.”

The Contract:

Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence
Award Number: R01AI110964
ORGANIZATION: NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY & INFECTIOUS DISEASES (NIAID)
OPDIV: NIH
AWARD CLASS: DISCRETIONARY
AWARD ACTIVITY TYPE: SCIENTIFIC/HEALTH RESEARCH (INCLUDES SURVEYS)
AWARDEE:
ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE INC 1200 LINCOLN AVENUE PROSPECT PARK, NY 10001

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Contract Statement of Work (SOW): 3. Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.

Issue Date FY: 2019 ( Subtotal = $661,980 )
Issue Date FY: 2018 ( Subtotal = $581,646 )
Issue Date FY: 2017 ( Subtotal = $597,112 )
Issue Date FY: 2016 ( Subtotal = $611,090 )
Issue Date FY: 2015 ( Subtotal = $630,445 )
Issue Date FY: 2014 ( Subtotal = $666,442 )
Grand Total All Awards = $3,748,715

Upon further research, I found that NIH (NIAID) has been doing business with Ecohealth Alliance Inc. since 2002 as illustrated in contract dollars awarded since that date.  They have between 50 and 100 employees and are located in Prospect Park, NY. Given their location, they would hardly be conducting recombinant DNA gene splicing of infections virus.

Statement on Funding Pause on Certain Types of Gain-of-Function Research  October 16, 2014

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The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy announced today that the U.S. government will undertake a deliberative process to assess the risks and benefits of certain gain-of-function (GOF) experiments with influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses in order to develop a new Federal policy regarding the funding of this research.

During this deliberative process, U.S. government agencies will institute a pause on the funding of any new studies involving these experiments. For purposes of the deliberative process and this funding pause, “GOF studies” refers to scientific research that increases the ability of any of these infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets.

NIH has funded such studies because they help define the
fundamental nature of human-pathogen interactions, enable the assessment of the pandemic potential of emerging infectious agents, and inform public health and preparedness efforts. These studies, however, also entail biosafety and biosecurity risks, which need to be understood better.

For those of you who may not be familiar with this topic, gain-of-function research refers to any modification of a biological agent — like viruses or bacteria — that gives it new or enhanced activity, such as the ability to infect a host. While research on factors that could increase transmission or infection can be important for informing prevention strategies, some information from these studies might also be misused for harmful purposes.

Potential Risks and Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research: Summary of a Workshop. 2015 Apr 13

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“Ultimately, GoF studies, which enhance viral yield and immunogenicity, are required for vaccine development.”

The Contract:

Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence
Award Number: R01AI110964
ORGANIZATION: NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY & INFECTIOUS DISEASES (NIAID)
OPDIV: NIH
AWARD CLASS: DISCRETIONARY
AWARD ACTIVITY TYPE: SCIENTIFIC/HEALTH RESEARCH (INCLUDES SURVEYS)
AWARDEE:
ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE INC 1200 LINCOLN AVENUE PROSPECT PARK, NY 10001

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Contract Statement of Work (SOW): 3. Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.

Issue Date FY: 2019 ( Subtotal = $661,980 )
Issue Date FY: 2018 ( Subtotal = $581,646 )
Issue Date FY: 2017 ( Subtotal = $597,112 )
Issue Date FY: 2016 ( Subtotal = $611,090 )
Issue Date FY: 2015 ( Subtotal = $630,445 )
Issue Date FY: 2014 ( Subtotal = $666,442 )
Grand Total All Awards = $3,748,715

Upon further research, I found that NIH (NIAID) has been doing business with Ecohealth Alliance Inc. since 2002 as illustrated in contract dollars awarded since that date.  They have between 50 and 100 employees and are located in Prospect Park, NY. Given their location, they would hardly be conducting recombinant DNA gene splicing of infections virus.

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It's a common practice of many small business government contractors, to “Pass Through” actual research like this to other organizations like Universities and other entities with the requisite facilities and skill sets to do this kind of work.   Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to expect this contracted work and funding found its way from Ecohealth Alliance Inc., to Dr. Baric at the University of North Carolina and Dr. Shi Zhengli at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, China.

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I was a Technology Consultant specializing in research and development as well as field testing of advanced hand-held combat systems, on several government contracts at Booz Allen Hamilton for the better part of 15 years since September of 1991.  Accordingly, as a government contractor, I’m very familiar with government contracting practices.

These government contracts always have “Deliverables” spelled out in the contract Statement of Work (SOW).  These deliverables are typically in the form of “goods and services” including research and engineering and always, written reports.  Although Dr. Fauci would not have signed the contracts to Ecohealth Alliance Inc, he would have been well aware of NIAID funding for Extramural Research like this and a likely recipient of written reports of such contracted activities.

This begs the rhetorical question, “What did Dr. Fauci know and when did he know it?”  Not a word of any of this has come out in any of the White House pressers with Dr. Fauci leading the White House Corona Virus Task Force.  One might expect, after 36 years receiving reports of studies on infectious virus, that somewhere in the pile of paper, there's a pony... in this case, an effective intervention.  I’ll leave any further discussions and thoughts on this topic up to your own cogitation.  I’m just the messenger.

Take care,

V/R, Batch
It's a common practice of many small business government contractors, to “Pass Through” actual research like this to other organizations like Universities and other entities with the requisite facilities and skill sets to do this kind of work.   Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to expect this contracted work and funding found its way from Ecohealth Alliance Inc., to Dr. Baric at the University of North Carolina and Dr. Shi Zhengli at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, China.

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I was a Technology Consultant specializing in research and development as well as field testing of advanced hand-held combat systems, on several government contracts at Booz Allen Hamilton for the better part of 15 years since September of 1991.  Accordingly, as a government contractor, I’m very familiar with government contracting practices.

These government contracts always have “Deliverables” spelled out in the contract Statement of Work (SOW).  These deliverables are typically in the form of “goods and services” including research and engineering and always, written reports.  Although Dr. Fauci would not have signed the contracts to Ecohealth Alliance Inc, he would have been well aware of NIAID funding for Extramural Research like this and a likely recipient of written reports of such contracted activities.

This begs the rhetorical question, “What did Dr. Fauci know and when did he know it?”  Not a word of any of this has come out in any of the White House pressers with Dr. Fauci leading the White House Corona Virus Task Force.  One might expect, after 36 years receiving reports of studies on infectious virus, that somewhere in the pile of paper, there's a pony... in this case, an effective intervention.  I’ll leave any further discussions and thoughts on this topic up to your own cogitation.  I’m just the messenger.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Another take...

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Hey CDog,

Of course, there are usually two sides to a story like this.  What makes all this very interesting is the timing of the reclama to the PlanDemic documentary.  Youtube pulled PlanDemic as I was watching it. In less than an hour, there was a lengthy list of arguments refuting points made in the documentary.  The same thing happened on Vimeo the following day.  I don’t do Facebook as a rule, but it appears the same reclama popped up there a day later, when Facebook pulled this documentary. 

The only thing they didn’t refute was the good Dr. Fauci’s association with the BSL-4 lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.  Except this point was a sotto voce white wash with no facts or numbers.   The fact Dr. Fauci has been funding the BSL-4 lab at the Wuhan for research developing coronavirus strains with “Gain of Function” from 2014 through 2019  to the tune of $3.7 Million on the first contract and with a second $3.7 million dollar contract from 2019 until it was cancelled on April 24, 2020 in response to public outcry.

On closer examination, it’s clear the good Dr. Fauci has been funding efforts like this since 2002 at three BSL-4 labs here in the US until the Obama administration ordered a halt to such research in 2014.  Undeterred, the good Dr. Fauci let a contract with the Wuhan Institute of Virology to continue this gain of function research on coronavirus through a small business contract with ECOHEALTH ALLIANCE INC.  It's in the CBD.

My previous post provides the evidence from the NIH website and contracting data from the commerce and business daily (CBD) where the White House paused this “Gain of Function “ research in 2014 as being too dangerous to the public.

What’s amazing about these reclamas is there’s no way in hell the illiterati running these social media and responsible for censoring this documentary, could have known all the details made in these reclamas point-by-point.  They had to have had help from knowledgeable sources.  It doesn’t take a member of Mensa to connect the dots.  The source was clearly the good Dr. Fauci or his minions at NIAID or NIH.

And guess what?  This is clearly the case from the link you sited as it points out. “A statement emailed to NPR from the National Institutes of Health, which oversees Fauci's NIAID, stated: "The National Institutes of Health and National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases are focused on critical research aimed at ending the COVID-19 pandemic and preventing further deaths. We are not engaging in tactics by some seeking to derail our efforts."

NPR is hardly a source of objective reporting, particularly when the target of their articles is about President Trump.  Scott Neuman cited un-named sources in some of the argumentative cases.

The claim that Dr. Anthony Fauci filed for patents on the topic of Dr. Mikovits’ paper appears to have merit.  A patent search of the USPTO turned up at least seven patents with Anthony Fauci listed as a co-inventor filed around the time Dr. indicated.

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I’ve listed three of these patents below:

Patent: Immunologic enhancement with intermittent interleukin-2 therapy, Inventors:  Lane; H. Clifford (Bethesda, MD), Kovacs; Joseph A. (Potomac, MD), Fauci; Anthony S. (Washington, DC)
Filing Date:  May 19, 1993, Patent Number 5 419900

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Use of antagonists of the interaction between HIV GP120 and .alpha.4.beta.7 integrin
Inventors: Arthos; James (Bethesda, MD), Goode; Diana (Bellingham, MA), Cicala; Claudia (Bethesda, MD), Fauci; Anthony S. (Bethesda, MD)
Filing Date December 7, 2006, Patent Number 9441041, 9193790

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Use of antagonists of the interaction between HIV GP120 and .alpha.4.beta.7 integrin.  Inventors:  Arthos; James (Rockville, MD), Goode; Diana (Bellingham, MA), Cicala; Claudia (Bethesda, MD), Fauci; Anthony S. (Washington, DC).  Filing date 7 December 2006. Patent Number:

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It’s also clear the good Dr. Fauci knew about the efficacy of Hydroxychoroquin as both a prophylaxis and treatment for SARS-CoV virus infections as early as 2005.  So, this begs the question, Why did he jump in the middle of President Trump’s comments live on TV about the use of Hydroxychoroquin and zinc? 

Fauci knew about HCQ in 2005 -- nobody needed to die
Monday, April 27, 2020
Bryan Fischer
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Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread
Published online 2005 Aug 22. doi: 10.1186/1743-422X-2-69
Martin J Vincent et al.
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Regarding Dr. Mikovits’ arrest, given the NPR account is essentially hearsay with no actual arrest record as evidence,  I’m inclined to play a safe and say it’s entirely possible it happened as she described it.  You know of course, the Department of Justice and the FBI, are all good guys (and gals) with white hats who would never do anything illegal…. Well… not so fast on that count. 

We have the FBI lovers Peter Strzok and Lisa Page who set up a perjury trap for General Flynn having already tapped his phone line and had the entire call with the Russian Ambassador recorded.  And then there’s the Roger Stone case where on Jan. 25, 2019, where more than a dozen armed FBI agents conducted a pre-dawn raid on Roger Stone's home in South Florida and took into custody one of President Trump's closest longtime confidants.  Of course, reporters from CNN just happened to be there with cameras running for the pre-dawn raid.  A show of force like this is an example of extreme prejudice designed to scare the crap out of their intended targets and anyone else associated with them.  Leaking it to the press makes it look legal.  Not!

Accordingly, the way I see it, the PlanDemic documentary has more fact than fiction.  As this appears to be the case, why would the good Dr. Fauci order these reclamas?  The simple answer is money, power and a feeble attempt to cover up an even bigger problem.  I see this first segment of the PlanDemic documentary as the tip of the iceberg with more to follow.  I look forward to the next segment.

The way I see it, and my opinions won’t even get you a cup of coffee, we’ve been witness to a deep state operation at HHS gone horribly wrong.  In simple terms, as I connect the dots, taxpayer dollars funded the development of the SARS-CoV-2 virus thanks to the efforts of the good Dr. Fauci.  I won’t attempt explaining the motivation.  That said there are some troubling indications.  This photo appears to have been taken right after Waxman and Pelosi passed legislation that funded NIH to the tune of $20 million earmarked for research by Redford and Fauci.

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Moreover, if and when a COVID-19 vaccination is approved by the FDA, I think it is only proper and fitting the following four people be at the head of the line for the first vaccinations, followed by the head of the FDA and Secretary HHS.  Refusal by any of these people should be grounds to declare this vaccine as ineffective and possibly dangerous.

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Again, this is just my opinion, so let’s watch how all this plays out.  The good Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redford will be testifying before Congress by teleconference this week.  I for one will be watching.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Another take...


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And another...

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Another shredding of this conspiratorial nonsense.

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You're all wrong because this virus was created right here in Australia by those bloodthirsty, non-vaccinated baby-eaters of the New South Wales rugby league team.

The State of Origin football series is coming up and they'll do anything to get out of being thrashed yet again by us decent and honest Queenslanders.

Rugby League? No, Rugby Union

CDog wrote on May 11^th, 2020 at 11:32pm:

Rugby League? No, Rugby Union

CDog,  Rugby Union is a bastard of a game played by gentlemen.

Rugby League is a gentlemen's game played by bastards.

Another take and another take still don't necessarily add up to fact.  Jason Puckett's (TEGNA) article lacks any real verifiable proof.  TEGNA is digital media and marketing services company who sells articles to the highest bidder.  In this case, Big Pharma. 

Accordingly, TEGNA is part of the disinformation campaign against the PlanDemic documentary.  Remember, Big Pharma stands to suffer $Billions in lost revenue should the PlanDemic documentary prove factual.  They’re not really worried about your health, only their bottom line.

Scott Neuman is a mouthpiece reporter for the left leaning NPR.  Accordingly, I’m inclined to discount most of what they put out on any topic and in particular topics involving politics or Republican administrations.  Neuman's previous article on this topic was feckless.

The Daniel Funke, PolitiFact Staff Writer article on the PlanDemic documenatry is specious at best. As Funke is a Google News Lab Fellow, that makes anything he writes suspicious.

As the topic has apparently shifted to Rugby, I'll put my money on the All Blacks.  I watched them open a can of Whup Ass and jump ugly on the United States men's national rugby union team 29 to 19.  I think we were lucky the All Blacks didn't run the score up.

Nice try.  Take care,

V/R, Batch

A perspective...  It's a little hard to read, but COVID-19 deaths come in 4th.

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Good morning, CH family! Happy Friday’s Eve to you😀

For those who care quick to dispel someone as a conspiracy theorist, May I pose 3 questions to you?

Why is it normal to use shaming language against a person when all they are doing is asking how, and if, you’ve tested your hypothesis? Why is it that I can find videos on Judy Mikovits via YouTube that depicts her as a conspiracist but the Valuetainment video of her being interviewed by Patrick-Bev David (which I watched three weeks ago) was removed from YouTube? Why is Dr. Rashid Buttar, a great friend of Judy Mikovits, being labeled as a conspiracy theorist when he is Google searched (he also did an interview with Patrick-Bev David on Valuetainment’s YouTube channel)?

My point is this. When labeling someone as a conspiracy theorist, the objective is to destroy their credibility so that the people who are easily swayed will remain obedient to the labeler. For example, you would question the loyalty of a person if you told them a lie and they believed it off the strength of your “credentials”, credentials being a loved one, a person with a doctorate, etc. Therefore, a diabolical individual would have to keep lying to said individual in order to maintain their control for fear that the person would leave them, highlighting the already known premise that the diabolical has no power.

To conclude, they are people in this world who understand the hows and whys of 2+2=4 (the Shepherds) whereas others just went along with it without wanting an explanation (the flock). So if we have the right to free speech, why censor someone who throwing up “conspiracy theories”? Wouldn’t you rather want your followers to research the conspiracist to see that they’re liars or is it that you know you’ll lose your influence over the flock because you know the flock has no loyalty just as much as they have no backbone?🤔

   Soooooo...just who am I supposed to believe? I’m hearing on mainstream media over and over and over again that just because you received an antibody test (and assuming it’s a trustworthy test) and it came up positive, don’t assume you’re protected from the virus just because you had it once already. Say what?! Somebody correct me if I’m wrong please but isn’t that the goal of the vaccine they’re so desperately working on? To cause your body to create antibodies to fight off the virus if one gets exposed? I’m absolutely no expert on the topic but aren’t  the antibodies your body created to fight the real virus in the first place just about the best ones you could have? 🤔🤔🤔. Sean

   I guess I wasn’t done venting yet! People that have recovered from covid 19 are being asked to donate plasma so their antibodies could be extracted and be used to aid very sick patients recover from the virus. From what I’ve heard on mainstream media this method is being met with a great deal of success. So what gives? The amount of contradictory info out there from supposedly trustworthy sources is getting to the point that nothing I’m hearing on the news can be trusted as the real truth.
😖😖. Sean

It's a big decision,  Sean,  because there's those who believe everything they read while others read only what they believe.

I met a man who told me outright he believed only what he could see and I told him that while I've never seen my anus,  I do believe I have one.

Hopefully things will sort themselves out soon and we can return to some sort of normality but in the meantime it's simply a matter of staying safe and helping those you can.

Only better days ahead,

Brian down under.

A very interesting and timely discussion.  The mounting evidence has taken the notion of the SARS-CoV-2 virus being man made beyond the theoretical.  The following adds a number of facts worth considering.

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Why Is Protecting COVID-19 Origin Narrative so Important?
by Dr. Joseph Mercola   May 24, 2020

Video on link above.  Download Interview Transcript

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

The manufactured anthrax crisis of 2001 initiated the PATRIOT Act, one of the most severe compromises of our personal freedoms up to that point. Now, the COVID-19 pandemic is being used to take away even more freedoms

It appears influential virologists are protecting the narrative that SARS-CoV-2 arose naturally, and did not originate from a lab in China or elsewhere, even though their scientific justification for that conclusion is faulty

Strong evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 cannot be the result of a natural mutation

The National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), under Dr. Anthony Fauci’s leadership, has funded gain-of-function research on coronaviruses for about two decades

Efforts to develop coronavirus vaccines have failed for two decades, as the vaccines tend to cause paradoxical immune enhancement resulting in damaging and lethal cytokine storms

The Patriot Act Ws passed in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11th.  But ... don't let the facts get in the way of your radical, conspiratorial, Anti-Vaccine views.

Traveller,

I happen to think the Patriot Act is very appropriate as it applies to the COVID-19 Pandemic. You should read it, in particular (Sec. 411).  Sec. 411 Includes within the definition of "terrorist activity" the use of any weapon or dangerous device.  "... false documentation or identification, weapons (including chemical, biological, or radiological weapons), explosives, or training for the commission of a terrorist activity; to any individual who the actor knows or reasonably should know has committed or plans to commit a terrorist activity; or to a terrorist organization (with an exception for lack of knowledge)."

Perhaps you missed the news that Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement about his affiliation with Communist China.  And then there's my favorite - Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China.  Hmmm...

I'm not Anti-Vaccine in my views.  I am convinced that a healthy human immune system is the best, most effective and safest defense against viral infections as there is more than sufficient medical evidence as proof.  Basically, the genes for human immune system have evolved with the human genome over thousands of years successfully defeating virus that have evolved right along with the human genome long before the advent of modern vaccines or you and I wouldn't be here.

That said, I am vigilant and highly critical of movements to vaccinate people with unproven and potentially dangerous vaccines that have not been through a rigorous process of real scientific study and peer reviews.  I want to see the actual raw data from the animal studies, Phase 1, 2, and 3 clinical trials that follow the Gold Standard: Randomized, Placebo Controlled, Blinded RCTs including the efficacy and safety with detailed descriptions on the number and nature of adverse events.

Let's take Moderna’s mRNA-1273 vaccine as a case in point.  We've all seen the "promising" preliminary results from the Moderna study of mRNA-1273, but what have we actually seen or been told?

For starters, mRNA-1273 is not a vaccine.  Vaccines are typically developed by "attenuating" live virus.  The attenuation process involves processing the live virus with formaldehyde to "pickle" or kill the virus (making it incapable of replication) first before injecting the attenuated virus into test subjects.  The attenuated virus is then recognized as an invading antigen by the innate immune system, our first line of defense against a threatening antigens and it develops antibodies for that antigen.

The Adaptive immune system takes over next with memory B cells and T cells that not only remember this particular antigen (virus), they also encode into their DNA the instructions to express the antibodies for this virus.  As these memory B cells and T cells replicate, they pass on to their offspring, the genes needed to express the same antibodies so we have a long-term memory (and immunity) to this particular virus and how to express the needed antibodies to destroy it.

As a side note, unless you were born on or before 1949 and vaccinated with the Polio Vaccine, you didn't experience the terrifying problem of knowing which polio vaccine you received.  In 1955 I was vaccinated with the Polio vaccine except we didn't know at the time if the vaccine we received was the original Salk vaccine or the vaccine produced by Cutter Laboratories. 

Cutter Laboratories was licensed to produce the same Salk Polio vaccine in 1955 except their cook book approach to producing this vaccine failed to properly attenuate the polio virus.  As Wikipedia explains,  they produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus.

"Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio. The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths."  So much for the safety of vaccines...

It might interest you to note that the director of the microbiology institute lost his job, as did the equivalent of the assistant secretary for health. Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare Oveta Culp Hobby stepped down. Dr Sebrell, the director of the NIH, resigned.  I'd like to see some of this happen today.

Getting back to Moderna's mRNA-1273 vaccine study.  The use of mRNA to make people immune to a virus is so new and so different, it's a horse of a different color when compared to vaccines.  It's so different, it's more like a pink unicorn with wings.  mRNA (messenger RNA) is a string of genetic code spun off host DNA that must be read by cellular ribosomes to produce proteins. Basic mRNA vaccine pharmacology defines mRNA as the intermediate step between the translation of protein-encoding DNA and the production of proteins (antigens) by ribosomes in the cytoplasm that may convey immunity.

The problem with the mRNA development process is the incredible complexity of its genetic code and its propensity to produce unintended results.  While mRNA vaccinations can be rapidly developed and mass produced in a matter of a few months, it's going to take many years of carefully detailed, documented and peer reviewed monitoring of initial test subjects vaccinated with this mRNA to ensure there are no long-term harms.

So where are we with the Moderna mRNA-1273 test results?  For starters, this study was not done to the RCT Gold Standard.  The study was titled: Safety and Immunogenicity Study of 2019-nCoV Vaccine (mRNA-1273) for Prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 Infection (COVID-19). 

It was Non-Randomized, it had Sequential Assignment, it was Open Label so had no Placebo Control or Blinding and therefore, by the rules of medical evidence, very susceptible to bias by the investigators.  This simple fact should have the Medical Evidence Mafia throwing the Red Flag as any results from an "Observational Study" like this cannot be used as justification for clinical use for the general population.

So what do we really know at this point other than this study was not done to the RCT Gold Standard.  There were no animal studies. The good Dr. Fauci at NIAID, NIH, HHS, who cosponsored this study, waived ferret and primate study requirement. (Not only did he move the Goal Posts, he also changed the rules of medical evidence). That alone should be a show stopper. 

Available study results indicate the mRNA-1273 "vaccine" resulted in dose dependent increases in immunogenicity (antibodies) across the three dose levels, and between prime and boost within the 25 µg and 100 µg dose levels.produced Covid-19 antibodies in all 45 participants.  That is all well and good, but it is not evidence of immunity to SARS-CoV-2 virus.

However, although Moderna did not release its clinical trial study raw data, its press release, which was loaded with inconsistencies, did acknowledge that one volunteer in the 100 µg dose group and three volunteers in the 250 µg dose group (20% of high dose group) developed Grade 3 systemic events defined by the FDA as “Preventing daily activity and requiring medical intervention.”  So much for vaccine safety and potential for harms...

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What remains unknown?  There's still no data on real immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus and there is obviously no long term safety data.

I realize that a person totally sold on the safety and efficacy of vaccines finds facts to the contrary so confusing to the point that these facts are best ignored.   That said, should you be discerning and interested, the following links about mRNA vaccines are worth reading.  Hint. These are not AntiVAX links:

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Take care,
V/R, Batch

Even though you have posted videos from known Anti-Vaccine advocates, I’ll take you at your word that you are not yourself an Anti-Vaxxer.

But when you get your news from dubious websites (like the Falun Gong Epoch Times)  you too can “find facts to the contrary so confusing to the point that these facts are best ignored.” (your words, not mine).

1.      You specifically stated above – “The manufactured anthrax crisis of 2001 initiated the PATRIOT Act, one of the most severe compromises of our personal freedoms up to that point.”  This is patently false.  Whether one supports or opposes the Patriot Act it was occasioned by the September 11th terrorist attacks, not the anthrax crisis.  BTW, I am guessing that the families of the 5 people who died from those attacks might view them as something other than “manufactured.”

2.      You offered a video by known Anti-Vaccine radical Joseph Mercola.  He is a leading proponent of the completely disproven theory that vaccines cause autism and has been cited by state and federal authorities on a number of occasions for making false and misleading claims about treatments and products he supports.  He has closed his “medical” practice to focus solely on his website after falsely alleging that he had found a cure for autism.  Hard to believe that anyone could cite him as a credible source on anything.

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3.      Finally, the fact that China (and other nations) frequently attempt to steal American industrial technologies (including medical/research technology) is nothing new.  The student you are concerned about was arrested with vials of cancer cells.

“Under questioning, court documents say, Mr. Zheng acknowledged that he had stolen eight of the samples and had replicated 11 more based on a colleague’s research. When he returned to China, he said, he would take the samples to Sun Yat-sen Memorial Hospital and turbocharge his career by publishing the results in China, under his own name.” START PRINTPAGEMultimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to or END PRINTPAGE

I will agree 100% with your statement that, “There's still no data on real immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus and there is obviously no long term safety data.”

This is why we test these things.

Traveller,

Let's start where we agree.  Yes, there needs to be a complete clinical trial of any vaccine to include animal studies, Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3 RCTs done to the gold standard, i.e., randomized, placebo controlled and double or triple blinded RCTs, to help minimize bias.  That said, as nearly all of these studies are funded by Big Pharma and their shills in Big Government like the CDC, FDA, NIH and their parent organization, HHS who are loaded through the revolving door with Big Pharma operatives, there will still be a bias.

There is more than ample evidence that this full range of studies is not done for the annual seasonal flu vaccine and it hasn't been done, at least at this point, with the present clutch of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.  What is done is any new flu vaccine developed for the prevailing seasonal flu virus, usually originating in China, where this new vaccine is added to an existing flu vaccine that was previously approved/licensed making it trivalent or quadravalent there by obviating the rigorous testing schema and allowing the FDA to approve and license it in a matter of a few days... not 18 months.   

The proof for this comes from none other than the good Dr. Fauci, MD, Head of NIAID, who clearly stated it would take a minimum of 18 months to adequately test any new vaccine through animal studies, Phase 1, 2, and 3 RCTs before being  licensed and approved for use by the general public.  This is clearly not being done for the annual seasonal flu vaccine.

I will also agree that the Patriot Act costs us dearly in lost freedoms.  That said, it came in response to 9/11 so I have  no idea where you dredged up the bit about the anthrax crisis of 2001. That wasn't in my last post either.  More obfuscation and diversion?

As for the rest of your post, my last post provided the results of my own research, so it should be obvious to the least casual observer that you've dredged up organizations who hold different views on the safety of vaccines parroting the same tired old obfuscation and diversionary tactics to discredit any opinions contrary to those held Big Pharma and the Vaccine Industry.

I welcome open debate on these topics, just don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

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Taking the following supplements is an immune boosting strategy that will help you avoid viral infections including COVID-19 a lot faster (for a lot less) than waiting for a vaccine that may or may not work...  Lots of real medical evidence at the link above to back up this up.

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One Bio-Tech D3-50 a week at a cost 23 cents/capsule (3 cents a day) is a small price to pay for improved immune system health and peace of mind. The rest of the supplements above make vitamin D3 work even more effectively.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Mercola has raised Quackery to new heights.

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Even the Center for Science in the Public Interest (no friend of Big Pharma btw) has asked the FDA and the FTC to take action against Mercola's fraudulent and dangerous claims.  From their letter to the FDA of. July 21, 2020:

I. MERCOLA GROUP IS A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH


Dr. Joseph Mercola is the owner, president, and director of a number of active companies, foundations, and nonprofits.11 Through its website and other marketing, Mercola Group sells hundreds of supplements, foods, food additives, oils, creams, spices, herbs, books, electronic devices, clothing, and other “alternative” health products promoted as cures or treatments.12

According to Mercola Group, its website, Mercola.com, is the world’s “#1 most visited natural health website” and is viewed by “millions of people daily.”13 Mercola Group sells millions of dollars in products annually, including, for example, as much as $5.3 million worth of tanning beds between 2012 and 2016.14 Through his businesses, Dr. Mercola has amassed a personal fortune, reported to be in excess of $100 million.15

Mercola Group also frequently disseminates false and misleading claims via its website, such as a 2011 article asserting that vaccines can cause breast cancer.16 Of late, Dr. Mercola has focused his misleading and dangerous advice on COVID-19. He is, for example, preemptively downplaying the effectiveness of potential COVID-19 vaccines, and even warning the public that any potential vaccine would likely be deadly. On a podcast posted April 5, 2020, Dr. Mercola told listeners complete falsehoods about the risks of vaccines, saying: “For every life being saved by a vaccine, you may have another 10, 20, 100 people who are either killed or permanently injured as a result of that vaccine.”17 Dr. Mercola also endorsed his guest’s view that people would probably be dragged from their homes and vaccinated against their will.18

Mercola Group’s false and misleading disease claims about COVID-19 are really just a thinly-veiled and self-serving attempt to sell its products. But they pose a unique threat at this moment, given the Group’s reach and audience size. Consumers that use Mercola Group’s products based on its illegal disease claims, and false and unsubstantiated claims, that the supplements will help protect them, may engage in activitiesthat increase risk of illness for themselves, and spread the coronavirus to other people..

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CPSI has also published an excellent table summarizing Mercola's false and illegal claims -- far too long to re-produce here. 

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Nice try Traveller.  Once again you've missed the mark.  Mercola didn't do the study illustrated in the first graphic.  As it appears your thousand words are contrary to the evidence presented in this graphic, please elucidate and try not to use the Big Pharma propaganda.

If you keep posting dangerous material from known quacks and frauds, I'm gonna keep calling you out. 

And of course we all know that the Center for Science in in the Public Interest is a Big Pharma front, right?

Hmmm,

Traveller, as this is an open forum that encourages debate, you're clearly entitled to your opinion.  That said, once again you have failed to address the topic. Instead you've gone off on a cut and paste rant with Big Pharma propaganda in an obvious attempt to obfuscate the fact that there's a clear correlation between the severity of COVID-19 infection (including death) and a vitamin D3 deficiency. Moreover, you should see about getting some glasses.  Nowhere in the 185 listed sources and references for the subject article, Vitamin D in the Prevention of COVID-19, will you find the name "Mercola." Accordingly, your feeble attempt at being the thought police has little merit.

William B. Grant, Ph.D., Carol L. Wagner, M.D., Cedric F. Garland, Dr.P.H., F.A.C.E. and Lorenz Borsche, Ph.D. the Co-Principal Authors of the subject paper are hardly quacks or frauds.  These four experts have over a hundred peer reviewed studies and papers on vitamin D3 between them so are way out of your league.  Unless you're willing to put up your CV, you'd best debate me.

I'll open the bidding...  Please tell the readers of this thread why you think they shouldn't take vitamin D3 or vitamin C.

Cogito, ergo sum.

Take care,
V/R, Batch

So let me get this straight -- you deny posting a link in your post above (Reply 100, yesterday at 1:17am) to an article/advertisement by Mercola?  Really? 

Read This Link Today - Before the Second Wave Hits

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Yes! The vitamins Batch has listed, are good for your immune system in combatting common viruses, and also combatting CH's, but to put them in the same context as the coronavirus, you are treading on dangerous waters, because theirs a lot of fake news out there, including what I've read, that vitamin D can stop you getting the coronavirus  :-/.

Cheers Hoppy

Hoppy,

You're correct! Vitamin D3 is very important as a preventative for cluster headache and for a healthy immune system.

A good picture is worth 1000 words
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The following graphics come from the study of the anti-inflammatory regimen that's been running for nearly 10 years.  The before and after normal distribution curves of 25(OH)D3 lab results from the 320 participants tell the story as does the third graphic illustrating favorable responses to this regimen.

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That said, the ice is a lot thicker than you think.  While it's true there are several studies concluding vitamin D3 helps reduce the frequency of viral infections like colds and flu, as of February of this year, there were no published RCT results or case studies of vitamin D3, Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) and/or vitamin B1 (Thiamine) being use to treat COVID-19.   

All that has changed. The vitamin B, Vitamin C and vitamin D3 genies are out of the bottle as a result of their use in treating COVID-19 in the ER and in several studies.  This has Big Pharmas and their acolytes running around with their knickers in a wad.  There's so much positive information (medical evidence) already coming out of existing studies using vitamin B1 (Thiamine), Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) and Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) as interventions for COVID-19 that Big Pharma will never be able to get these vitamin genies back in the bottle.

As of 22 July 2020, there were 20 RCTs using vitamin D3 as the intervention for COVID-19 and 3 studies where vitamin D3 is being used as the preventative.  See the following link for details and a whole lot more on vitamin D3 and COVID-19.

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Of course Traveller will likely pitch a hissy fit because Mercola is listed at least a half dozen times in the hundreds of links at the above VitaminDWiki web page.  He thinks nothing of walking on my first amendment rights with comments in this thread bordering on defamation and libel, but then as the self appointed thought police, he thinks its okay to render his form of censorship.  Bottom line, Traveller is unable and unwilling to enter an open debate in this forum on the merits of taking vitamin D3 and its cofactors as an immune boosting strategy to help prevent viral infections.

Getting back to the context you mentioned...  I'm not a doctor so I do not diagnose, I don't prescribe, I don't treat, and I don't recommend any course of treatment.  I'm just the messenger.  What I do is provide the best information available on the benefits of vitamin D3 and its cofactors in preventing CH and more recently the benefits of vitamin C, vitamin B1, zinc and quercetin.  I leave any actions up to the reader and their PCP/GP or neurologists so they can do their own risk benefit analysis, then take action accordingly.

On the topic of risk benefit analysis, a review of the FDA's Adverse Events Reporting System (FAERS) that's been running since Jan 1997 has some interesting data.  I did queries where the subject intervention was the primary suspect resulting in Death since Jan 1997.  I've also provided links to these query results.  As you will see in the case of vitamins, there were other drugs involved and in most cases, the vitamin interventions were given to patients with existing serious medical conditions.

Cluster Headache and COVID-19 Nutritional Interventions

Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol)   Zero Deaths
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Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid)       8 Deaths
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Omega-3 Fish Oil                  Zero Deaths
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Methyl Folate                        Zero Deaths
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Magnesium                           6 Deaths
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Vitamin K2                            Zero Deaths
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Zinc Picolinate                       Zero Deaths
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Quercetin                              Zero Deaths
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Cluster headache pharmaceutical Interventions

Verapamil                             More than 100 Deaths
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Sumatriptan Succinate           More than 100 Deaths
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Predinsone                            More than 1,000 Deaths
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COVID-19 Pharmaceutical Interventions

Hydroxychloroquine               More than 100 Deaths
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Bottom line...  The way I see it, there is no downside to taking the above vitamins and minerals as by any measure, their safety profile at the doses we take to prevent CH is excellent with no harms.  Moreover, the upside potential for a reduction in rate of viral infection by taking these vitamins and minerals is good.

Accordingly, readers have two choices.  They can do nothing more that follow the CDC's passive COVID-19 measures of hand and face hygiene, masks, social distancing and hunker in place taking their chances of avoiding a COVID-19 infection while they wait for a vaccine that may or many not be effective, OR... they can play a safe, be proactive and take the immune boosting anti-viral vitamins and minerals.  They can do this at home.  No Rx required.

It's anecdotal at this point, but I've gone out to several CHers who have been taking the anti-
inflammatory regimen for more than a few months on the topic of COVID-19.  All reported a significant reduction in flu infections and none have experienced a COVID-19 infection as far as they know. 

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I tested negative for the COVID-19 RT-PCR assay in early June in preparation for a fishing trip to Pelican, Alaska.  I'm scheduled for another COVID-19 RT-PCR lab test tomorrow in preparation for the annual Batcheller Family Salmon Fishing Derby in Ketchikan, AK that starts on Saturday.  I'll keep you posted.

On the topic of COVID-19 vaccines, the link below will take you to a fascinating and illuminating discussion on youtube between Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Alan Dershowitz on COVID-19 vaccines.

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Again, I'm just the messenger...

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Hmm, I took Hoppy’s post as the regime can help CH and the immune system, but be careful saying it can prevent/cure COVID 19. Perhaps I or you read it wrong.

Hey CDog,

My last should have addressed Hoppy's "Thin Ice" admonition - meaning be careful extrapolating favorable results in lowering the rate of viral infections like influenza to COVID-19. 

Please read through in information at the following VitaminDWiki link and decide for yourself if there's sufficient evidence to take the immune boosting strategy illustrated below to prevent COVID-19.

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V/R, Batch

Just for the record Batch -- neither you, nor I, nor anyone else have a First Amendment Right to post on a private website or social media.  The "rights" to post on a privately owned and operated website or social media platform are determined solely by the owners of said sites/platforms.  If you don't like being challenged, don't post.

G'day Batch, having read through your posts on COVID19, and the links on vitamin D3, together with the other cofactors, which is keeping my CH's at bay, together with a healthy immune system, and hopefully, although their is no COVID19 here in WA at present, but should their be a second wave, maybe it could help you from getting a more severe case of the coronavirus if you caught it.

Cheers Hoppy

Hoppy,

Copy all.  Glad to hear the coast is clear of COVID-19 in WA.  The Perth - Fremantle area is one of my favorite liberty ports.  Many fond memories.

I'll be off the net for the next 6 days fishing for Salmon near Ketchikan, Alaska.

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V/R, Batch

Batch, lots more wild fish oil coming your way then  :)

Good Luck, Hoppy

Greetings fellow CHers and Wonderful Supporters.

I’ve not updated this thread for many reasons. Most of them involve being able to provide readers of this thread with the most current and accurate information available on the Wuhan coronavirus, its COVID-19 infection, its interventional and preventative treatments.  That time has come.

Rather than bore you with the knowledge I’ve gained in the above topics regarding vitamin D3 and the immune system with one of my usual long-winded posts, I suggest you watch the two following videos to prevent your lips from getting tired.  I'm confident you’ll find these two videos will provide valuable information the Big Pharma, the CDC, FDA and Big Government are not telling you.   You be the judge.

Watch the first 24 minutes of the video at the following link.  It’s presented by Dr. Ryan Cole, MD, a board certified pathologist from Idaho who understands the human immune system and the fact that vitamin D3 is critical in maintaining an immune system capable of protecting you from infection by all virus including the Wuhan coronavirus that causes COVID-19. 

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This next link takes you to the second video that features a presentation by Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, a virologist and vaccine advocate, who points out very real and lasting health problems that are already arising from mass vaccinations with the present COVID-19 mRNA biologics (NOT vaccines by medical definition).  It starts with a presentation on surgical masks we are forced to wear by Del Bigtree, an Emmy Award winning producer on the CBS talk show “The Doctors.”  He also provides plain language commentary and examples interspersed throughout Dr. Vanden Bossche’s video presentation.

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Finally, real medical evidence of efficacy becomes fact when multiple, well-designed gold standard RCTs conducted by different organizations, conclude the same or similar results for a given intervention for the same disease.  In this case, the use of vitamin D3 as an intervention for COVID-19.  The following links at VitaminDWiki.com will provide this very real medical evidence.

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COVID-19 treated by Vitamin D - studies, reports, videos

As of March 14 this page had:  34 trials,  5 trial results,  15 meta-analyses and reviews,   49 observations,   31 recommendations,   48 associations,  85 speculations,  43 videos   see related:   Governments,   Health Problems,   Hospitals,  Dark Skins,   26 risk factors are ALL associated with low Vit D,   Recent Virus pages   

Fight COVID-19 with 50K Vit D weekly

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Hi Batch, because, being on the vitamin D regiment, and reading reports of the vaccine triggering their CH's, in some folks, and no coronavirus community transmission here down under. So, I for one won't be getting the jab.

Cheers Hoppy

Hey Hoppy,

That's great news that there have been no community transmissions down under!  That indicates the Ro (R naught) is less than one - by definition, the pandemic is over down under.  Dr. Cole said the same thing in his video.

My wife and I have no intention of getting the jab.  The same goes for my extended family of over 70 relatives. These mRNA biologics are still experimental and there are far too many unanswered questions about the studies, like what was in the placebos and no animal challenge studies where the vaccinated animals were exposed to the virus the vaccine was developed to prevent infection.  Moreover, there is no information on long term harms.

All of my relatives have been taking the anti-inflammatory regimen since 2012 and are remarkably healthy.  Three of them have had a brush with the Wuhan coronavirus and remained very healthy.  My niece thought it was a minor short-lasting cold and the other two, my son and his wife, remained asymptomatic.  They were not aware they'd been infected until they had the assay for the immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies specific to the Wuhan coronavirus and both were positive.

Take care and thanks again for the good news from down under.

V/R, Batch

Hello All, I just stumbled on another news article about D3’s potential to aid the bodies response to COVID 19 particularly for POC. 30ng/ml was thought to be sufficient but those with 40ng/ml or more faired much better.  So I thought I might come back and revisit this thread to see any updates....I thoroughly enjoyed rereading this entire thread😊.   Thanks, Batch 
    It might be interesting to learn from fellow clusterheads that are following the D3 regime to see how they have faired with COVID 19. Speaking for myself, I have had two known close exposure events in the recent past but suffered no consequences. Did the D3 regime help? Who knows? But I’m sticking to it.    Sean

Hey Sean,

Great question.  I can provide the following as an indication of how well the anti-inflammatory regimen has helped prevent serious infection by the Wuhan coronavirus.

Over the last 4 months, I've had at least three members of my family, and possibly 3 others, all of whom have been taking the anti-inflammatory regimen for many years, have a brush with the Wuhan coronavirus.  All have remained remarkably healthy.  One thought it was a 4-day cold that ended with no after effects.  I suggested she see her PCP/GP for the COVID-19 Immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibody assay.  She finally got an appointment three weeks later and the results came back positive. The other two were completely asymptomatic so had no idea they'd been infected until their COVID-19 IgG antibody assays came back positive.  None of them have had the COVID-19 mRNA jab.

The really wonderful part of all this is these three members of my family now have a natural immunity to the Wuhan coronavirus.  They can also carry the results of a positive assay for the COVID-19 IgG antibody indicating natural immunity to COVID-19 to help being forced to have the COVID-19 mRNA jab.

Granted, this is anecdotal in terms of medical evidence.  Nonetheless, it is impirical evidence with verifiable laboratory assays as proof.

The best and most current data on vitamin D3 and COVID-19 can be found at vitaminDwiki.com at the following link.

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COVID-19 treated by Vitamin D - studies, reports, videos

As of March 30 the page had:  34 trials,  5 trial results,  16 meta-analyses and reviews,   49 observations,   34 recommendations,   54 associations,  86 speculations,  43 videos   see related:   Governments,   HealthProblems,   Hospitals,  Dark Skins,   26 risk factors are ALL associated with low Vit D,   Recent Virus pages   Fight COVID-19 with 50K Vit D weekly

As you browse through this treasure trove of valuable information from real scientists that will keep you healthy, you'll come across the following:

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A couple factoids:

In the history of the FDA's Adverse Events Reporting System (FAERS), there have been ZERO deaths attributed to Vitamin D3.

CDC Update: Between Dec. 14, 2020, and Mar. 5, 2021, 31,079 reports of adverse events were submitted to VAERS, including 1,524 deaths, 5,507 serious injuries and 390 reports of Bell’s Palsy.

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Bottom Line:  Our immune systems are the safest and most effective protection we have against viral infections. Moreover, supplementing with 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3 or weekly with 50,000 IU of vitamin D3 is critical to maintaining a healthy immune system with respect to COVID-19 outcome as the above vitaminDwiki links indicate.  25(OH)D3 lab data from the online survey of 313 CHers taking the anti-inflammatory regimen are illustrated in the following normal distribution chart.

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Again, Dr. Ryan Cole's presentation at the following link says it all.

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V/R, Batch

April 9, 2021 - The FDA's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting Systen (VAERS) data released today showed 56,869 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 2,342 deaths and 7,971 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 1, 2021.

More Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Clinics Hit Pause — 18 People Suffer Reactions at N.C. Site, 4 Hospitalized

North Carolina paused two vaccine sites Thursday, as Colorado, Iowa and Georgia also reported adverse reactions, but CDC said no cause for concern...

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) analyzed the vaccine lot used at the PNC Arena and UNC sites and recommended J&J vaccinations continue, according to WSOC-TV, a Charlotte news station. The CDC is not telling health departments to stop vaccinations, the agency said in a statement.

2,977 people were killed in the 9/11 attack on World Trade Center.   Draw your own conclusions.

I'm sticking with 10,000 IU/day vitamin D3, all the cofactors plus zinc, Quercetin, vitamin C and Ivermectin.  You'll need to see your PCP/GP to get an Rx for the Ivermectin.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

And the anti-vax propaganda keeps on coming.  Took me awhile to extend the percentage out on an Excel sheet, but for those that want the reality -- that is 2,342 deaths out of 178 million doses administered for a percentage of .0013157%.. If counted per person vaccinated the percentage is .003444%.

Hey Traveller,

Interesting response.  As the source of the Wuhan coronavirus - COVID-19 vaccine adverse reaction data I posted came from the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), I take it you're calling the CDC purveyors of anti-vax propaganda.   Or are you insinuating that in providing this CDC information, that some how I'm the purveyor of anti-vax propaganda?

It might interest you and readers of this thread, that earlier today (13 April, 2021), the CDC and FDA have hit the pause button on use of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine.

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Joint CDC and FDA Statement on Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine

The following statement is attributed to Dr. Anne Schuchat, Principal Deputy Director of the CDC and Dr. Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research.

For Immediate Release: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 Contact: Media Relations (404) 639-3286

As of April 12, more than 6.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen ) vaccine have been administered in the U.S. CDC and FDA are reviewing data involving six reported U.S. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot in individuals after receiving the J&J vaccine. In these cases, a type of blood clot called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) was seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia). All six cases occurred among women between the ages of 18 and 48, and symptoms occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination.

CDC will convene a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) on Wednesday to further review these cases and assess their potential significance.

The good Dr. Fauci was on TV today to give his spin on the CDC's halt of  Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine.  He basically said wait to see the results from the ACIP meeting. He did point out that the probability of the clotting problem from the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is very low - like less than one in a million.  The math here is simple, no excel or calculator needed with six cases resulting from 6.8 million vaccinations

Bottom line, there is still a lot we do not know about these experimental COVID-19 vaccines. 

Along that line, please watch the following video of Dr. Richard Flemming, MD, PhD, JD, titled A 2-1/2 hour Masterclass on SARS-CoV-2 with Host Miles Johnston (UK) at the following link.  Dr. Flemming connects the dots and in the process reveals a sobering and very disturbing image of what to expect as a result of mass vaccination with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.  This is exactly the kind of information members and guests here at Clusterbusters need to see.

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Dr. Richard Fleming says the vaccine companies own data, from Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson, all show they make zero difference in stopping COVID-19. The Emergency Use Authorization data “shows there is no difference.” However, there are real risks from getting vaccinated.

” . . . we’re seeing risk popping up across the board and they’re all inflammatory and blood clotting, and it’s affecting not just people with a comorbidity, it’s affecting the people that, normally were healthy, and they’re being overwhelmed and because their immune systems work, they’re making antibodies to these these vaccines. And let’s remember two things. First off the spike protein is not naturally occurring, its is gained a function. It is crossing the blood-brain barrier, and we know in the animal models of these spike proteins, we know that in the humanized mice they develop spongiform encephalopathy which is, for the general public, is Mad Cow Disease.

We also know that in the rhesus macaque models, that about two weeks afterwards they develop Lewy bodies in the brain and inflammation, and Lewy bodies are what cause Alzheimer’s and a number of neurologic disorders. And those numbers translate into about a year-and-a-half for human beings to see the same consequences.

So no statistically significant benefit from the very UAE document that are posted, not mine, the companies, inflammation of blood clotting occurring with it. Lewy bodies, mad cow disease, and nothing that suggests a benefit. It’s an experimental drug yet people are not signing informed consent so they’re taking part as participants in the experimental group.”

Take care,

V/R, Batch

“Or are you insinuating that in providing this CDC information, that some how I'm the purveyor of anti-vax propaganda?”

I’m not insinuating anything.  I am calling it exactly what it is -- anti-vax propaganda.   .0013157% is a number so minute that only someone with an anti-vaccine agenda would have the gall to cite it, and then use 9/11 as a comparative standard.  Frankly it's disgraceful. No scientist nor honest rapporteur would ever dream of citing a death figure without identifying the universe from which it is taken.  Someone trying to discourage people from taking the vaccine would. 

Then, they might cite as a source, a convicted Felon…

You seem to have neglected to point out that your source below – Richard M. Fletcher, is a felon convicted of Heath Care and Mail Fraud.  In case you missed it, below is the FBI press release, and another article noting his flawed and faulty methods and conflicts of interest.

Lastly, why do you persist in calling Covid-19 the “Wuhan Virus?”  Don’t you think there is enough anti-Asian violence and bigotry going on in this country now?   You make reference to Mad Cow Disease.  Why not call it the British Disease?

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United States Attorney Joe W. Stecher and the United States Department of Health and Human Services and the Federal Bureau of Investigation announce the following information for the attention of the media:
Event Triggering this Release: Dr. Richard M. Fleming was sentenced today in Lincoln, Nebraska, by the Honorable Richard G. Kopf to five years probation with six months home detention, including electronic monitoring, and ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $107,244.24 for the felony offenses of health care fraud and mail fraud. Fleming pled guilty to those charges on April 23, 2009. Fleming lived in Papillion, Nebraska, at the time of the crimes, and now lives in Reno, Nevada. He is currently licensed to practice medicine in Missouri and Iowa, and as a part of his plea agreement in the case he agreed to a lifetime exclusion from participation in any federally-funded health care benefit program.

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On second thought: A man of many talents — with a spotty scientific record
Richard M. Fleming may be a man of many talents, but his record as a scientist has been spotty. Fleming, who bills himself on Twitter as “PhD, MD, JD AND NOW Actor-Singer!!!”, was a co-author of short-lived paper in the journal Clinical Cardiology purporting to find health benefits from a diet with low or modest amounts of fat. The paper came out in late September — just a day before the Food and Drug Administration banned Fleming from participating in any drug studies. Why? Two prior convictions for fraud in 2009.
It didn’t take long for others to begin poking holes in the new article. One researcher found multiple errors in the data and noted that the study evidently had been completed in 2002. The journal ultimately retracted the article, citing “concerns with data integrity and an undisclosed conflict of interest by the lead author.” But Fleming, who objected to the retraction, persevered. On Nov. 5, he republished the study in another journal — proving that grit, determination, and a receptive publisher are more important than a spotless resume.

Batch wrote on Apr 13^th, 2021 at 7:48pm:

Hey Traveller, As the source of the Wuhan coronavirus - COVID-19 vaccine adverse reaction data I posted came from the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), I take it you're calling the CDC purveyors of anti-vax propaganda.

Hi Batch.
It very well may be propaganda, but not in the direction most might think. A study from 2010 indicated that vaccine reactions may be extremely under-reported. "Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events
and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)."
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This would suggest much higher numbers of negative reactions to the jabs.

-Patti

Scientific Review Concludes Nutrition Could Play Role In Community-Based Approach To COVID-19

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A new scientific review published in the journal Nutrients examines whether nutritional supplementation can blunt the inflammatory response in COVID-19. Taking the form of an overview of systematic reviews looking at vitamin D, vitamin C, melatonin, and zinc, the authors found that all four of these natural substances have anti-inflammatory actions and that they could represent a useful and viable approach to the pandemic. Recognizing the need for support from national and public health systems and noting that no specific drug has proven to be beneficial against the progression of COVID-19, the authors conclude that nutritional supplementation could play a role within a community-based medicine approach. 

NOTE:  The only thing many of us disagree on with this finding is the doses are too low based on several COVID-19 RCTs.  The following photo was my selection of supplements early in 2020 as anti-inflammatory immune system boosters.  I added melatonin in December.

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The basic anti-inflammatory regimen that helps prevent CH and MH has most of these same supplements.  This regimen is so safe and healthy for us, I've had my entire family taking it since 2011.  That includes three grand babies who were bathed in maternal vitamin D3 from conception through breast feeding because their mothers (my daughter and niece) have been taking this regimen since 2011.  These kids have T-Rex immune systems, they don't get sick.

So far, at least 10 members of my family have had a brush with the Wuhan coronavirus. They're none the worse for wear and all have recovered nicely.  4 were asymptomatic - didn't even know they'd been infected until results from the COVID-19 IgG antibody tests came back positive.  4 thought is was a mild 2-day cold, one lost her sense of smell (It's coming back slowly) and 1 described it as a full fledged cold that lasted a week.  All have confirmed COVID-19 IgG antibodies and none of them have had the COVID-19 jab. 

Watch for studies on CD8+ T Cells as strong indication of natural immunity to COVID-19.  The following is a good example.

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Striking difference identified between mRNA vaccination vs. SARS-CoV-2 infection immune responses

There is also a very informative paper published April 6, 2021 by the AMERICAN INSTITUTE for ECONOMIC RESEARCH that asks the pointed question "If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?" at the following link:

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This article also addresses the question "How Much Protection is Really Being Conferred (by the COVID-19 mRNA jab)?"

If one is to make a compelling argument for administering this new mRNA vaccine in the first place and in particular to those who have already had and recovered from Covid-19, the protection offered by the vaccine must be examined very carefully and realistically. Both Pfizer and Moderna have said that their vaccines are highly effective. As an example, Pfizer has claimed that the efficacy of its vaccine, 95%, is based on the following: according to their report, there were 8/18,310 (0.044%) cases of Covid in the vaccinated group versus 162/18,310 (0.88%) in the placebo group. We agree then that these data can be used to calculate a relative risk reduction of 100(1-(0.044/00.88) = RR 95%. This appears to be a very dramatic effect! However, the absolute risk reduction is only 0.88%-0.044% or 0.84%. A log difference in efficacy! Why would anyone, particularly someone who has already had Covid-19, rush to take any therapy that also has potentially severe adverse outcomes (including death), when the absolute reduction in risk from the disease is less than 1%? Why? The data is not being presented to the public in a manner to correctly inform the public for their optimal decision-making.

If we extrapolate the overall benefit of the vaccine in the broad population at risk of death, the Oxford Center estimated the Case Fatality Rate of 1.4%. Thus 1.4(0.88/100) =0.012%. In short, the absolute benefit to the population at large is a miniscule 0.012% or 12 per 1,000 individuals and not 95 per 100 as advertised in the mainstream media and their experts.

Given the data gathered above, we must caution about the broad application of this policy that might endanger people without the requisite available knowledge of the risks and benefits.

I'll add one more factoid to the above.  In the history of the FDA's Adverse Events Reporting System (FAERS) running since 1991, there has yet to be a single death directly attributed to vitamin D3 or Vitamin C, yet in the 4 months of the EUA for the mRNA COVID-19 biologics, there have been over 3,000 deaths attributed to these mRNA "vaccines."

I realize there are a few who will interpret this post and me as being Anti Vaccine.  Not true.  I am Anti-Bad Medicine.  For the few that think "Bad Medicine" doesn't exist, they're whistling past the graveyard.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Let me see if I can help summarize the latest Anti-Vaccine propaganda posted above.

1.      There is a chance that if you contract Covid, a vitamin regimen will help you ride out the disease which has thus far taken the lives of almost 600,000 Americans.

2.      We shouldn’t take the vaccine because a staggering percentage of .002% of those vaccinated may have died from the vaccine.

3.      Some members of the author’s family have survived Covid exposure without taking the vaccine.

There you go folks.  Anti-Vaccine propaganda at its finest. 

And here is some research on the highly discredited Vitamin Salesman Dr. Matthias Rath (quoted by the poster) if you are interested. 

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Nice try Traveller.  Dr.Rand Paul asked Dr. Anthony Fauci the following question in a live televised Senate hearing today.

‘Did the NIH fund gain of function research at Wuhan bio-lab!’

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As you'll see, Rand Paul asked other pointed questions that Fauci waffled.  Readers of this thread can come to their own conclusions after watching the video link above. 

I'm just the messenger and so far since I started this thread, history is proving I've been posting valid information.

The message I want to get to readers of this thread is keep your vitamin D3 status above 40 ng/mL to help avoid serious infection from the Wuhan coronavirus that was developed with gain of function research and weaponized at the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, China.  You can do this by following the published version of the anti-inflammatory regimen at the following link. 

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For those of you who have had the COVID-19 jab or who are considering it, be sure to keep you vitamin D3 status up with a 25(OH)D3 serum concentration above 40 ng/mL.

I also suggest you switch to the Bio-Tech D3-50 and Methyl Folate+ as illustrated in the following photo of what I take and suggest to others.

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Several COVID-19 studies indicate the higher the 25(OH)D3 serum concentration the better.  80 ng/mL is a good number to shoot for.  I've had my entire family taking the anti-inflammatory regimen since 2011.  I've also had them taking the modified version as an immune boosting strategy to help prevent serious viral infections.  So far it's working just fine.

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As you can see, the immune boosting version contains 50 mg/day zinc picolinate and at least 800 mg/day Quercetin.  There are several studies that have found Ivermectin, an Antiparasitic, very effective as a prophylactic and treatment for COVID-19.  You'll need to ask your doctor/PCP for an Rx for Ivermectin.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

So Batch.  You state above that “…history is proving I've been posting valid information.”

You have posted several times a graphic from an Indonesian study (attached) which purports to show a clear and strong link between Covid-19 deaths and Vitamin D levels, and have used this several times to suggest that Vitamin D can help prevent COVID-19.

Are you aware of the following?

A)      This article has been withdrawn.

B)      The Indonesian Government and the hospital where the alleged research took place has denied that this “doctor” Raharusun performed any research at the hospital cited, and has not even been able to confirm that he exists (note: his supporters say he died in March of 2020).   One might think a medical doctor capable of leading a study like this might have left a footprint somewhere…

C)      None of the named researchers cited in the original article can be found, nor have they ever been cited in any medical/science/research articles either before, or since the publication of the original article.

D)      Your go-to site for all things vitamin D (vitamindwiki.com) has reproduced the graphic you frequently post with the header “COVID-19 in Indonesia – suspected data fraud – May 2020”.

E)      A well-known German supporter of Vitamin D (Lorenz Borsche) who originally re-posted and helped spread the fraudulent study has now recanted and is refunding donations he solicited in support of the Indonesian “doctor’s” work. 

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You like to call yourself a messenger, saying you post this kind of information only so others can make up their own minds.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  You claim you have posted valid information – this is beyond laughable.  You routinely post proven falsehoods, cite as credible sources quacks, frauds, convicted criminals, people whose medical licenses have been suspended, vitamin salespersons, and others from the very fringes of credible medical/scientific analysis -- and as seen above -- from studies that apparently have never taken place.

Will you now publicly withdraw your posts citing this fraudulent study, and admit that you posted it either knowing it was fraudulent, or did not bother to first check its veracity?



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Traveller,

You just don't get it.  What happened to the Indonesian study was a classic example of Big Pharma and Big Government pressure to obfuscate, minimize and discredit any research concluding benefits of treatments involving vitamins and minerals as an intervention for COVID-19.   They use the classic tactic of attacking the messenger - just like you, but avoid an open dialog on the actual data.  Unfortunately, Dr. Prawodo Raharusun, the lead author and Principal Investigator for this study, passed away so could not defend his study findings.

Had you gone past the "gotcha" headline statement and read the statistical analysis of the Indonesian study by Lorenz Borshe and Dr. Bernd Glauner who published this information at the following link, you would have seen they found the Indonesian study consistent with many others involving vitamin D3 as an effective intervention for COVID-19. 

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Bottom line, in your attempt to discredit me by referencing the above link, you just shot yourself in the foot.

I'm confident the majority of readers following this thread will find the results from completed studies of vitamin D3 at the following link as an intervention for COVID-19 with the same consistent theme as the Indonesian study.

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As of 12 May 2021 there have been 34 trials,  5 trial results,  17 meta-analyses and reviews, 56 observations, 34 recommendations, 53 associations, 86 speculations, 44 videos   see related:   Governments, HealthProblems,  Hospitals, Dark Skins, 26 risk factors are ALL associated with low Vit D,   Recent Virus pages Fight COVID-19 with 50K Vit D weekly (Sound familiar?)   Vaccine problems.

Perhaps the best example for this discussion can be found at the following vdmeta.com link:

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As far as Fauci goes, his responses to Senator Rand Paul's questions in the Senate hearing regarding NIH and NIAID funding to the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, China for gain of function research, signal the beginning of the end for him.  Of course NIH and NIAID let contracts that funded gain of function research at the BSL4 lab in Wuhan, China. You can find receipts for these contracts all over the place. No amount of carefully parsed words to avoid direct answers to Senator Paul's questions are going to hack it.

When you're ready to discuss the facts about vitamin D3 studies and its efficacy as an intervention for COVID-19, please let us know.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Ah, the Big Pharma canard.   Every time you get called out (and caught) you hide behind the Big Pharma accusation instead of addressing the facts. 

Here is the FACT:  There is no evidence whatsoever that the study actually took place. In fact, there is ample evidence to conclude that the original article is a fraud, and is so noted on VitaminDwiki.com -- hardly an agent of Big Pharma.

Are you really trying to defend a study which didn't take place? With a doctor and staff no one has ever heard of?  At a hospital that doesn't take Covid patients?  You do know that the hospital has denied the study took place at their facility, and have no knowledge of the doctor who authored the study, right?  And yet you defend the study? 

Are you aware the purported gravestone picture of the allegedly deceased doctor has been removed from posts by Lorenz Borshe?  Why do you suppose that is?  Why did Borshe shut down his fundraising effort for "Doctor Raharusuna" and refunded the contributions he had received?

Tell us do you have any standards which you use to judge the veracity of the articles you cite/post?  How can any reasonable person be expected to believe anything you post when you try to defend a study that clearly did not take place?

Can you answer any of these questions?

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I don't know whether Batch is truly an anti-vaxer or merely a sceptic looking for answers while he and his family have been lucky in not catching any nasty viruses.

Neither do I know whether our good friend Traveller is some rabid conspiracy theorist or a genuine enforcer of truth and justice,  intent only on ridding the internet of false and dangerous information.

Either way,  I follow both their posts and opinions with great interest as it exposes me to sides of the story I might not otherwise see,  allows me to assimilate all that information and avenues of enquiry,  so I can make a properly informed decision in my own right.

Discussions like this are important and I truly thank all concerned.

 

I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I am against the practice of forcing people to take part in a clinical trial of an experimental biologic without being provided an informed consent form listing the potential health hazards before being jabbed.

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And now Fauci is pimping for Pfizer over a new therapeutic to treat COVID-19 that in all likelihood is an Ivermectin knock-off.

It doesn't take a genius IQ to read between the lines.

Ha!  A guy who regularly cites fraudulent studies and well-known anti-vaxers claims he is not an anti-vaxer.  Laughable.  No surprise that you would continue to attack a genuine public health expert like Fauci while holding out quacks, frauds, criminals, and doctors who don't exist as your favorite "experts."  It's obvious to anyone who can read what your agenda is.  Why not just admit it, and quit pretending you are something you are not.

Vitamin D3 deficiency has been proven in Covid related mortality. A majority of people who died with Covid ,excluding the elderly, were obese. Diabetes is a comorbidity that is often associated with obesity. My husband, 62 with high blood pressure, and I contracted Covid this March. We have been on the CH regimen for years (he is not a sufferer). We added Quercetin, C, and Zinc last March. We sailed through and came out even stronger than before. This is no coincidence. The combination of supplements strengthened our cells and did not allow the virus to penetrate and replicate. No loss of smell or taste, no cough, no nothing except a little anxiety caused by external information. No one we know was following our protocol and those who contracted Covid had far worse symptoms and a longer recovery period. The American diet, insulin resistance, and the lack of exercise certain vitamins (mostly D3) are indisputably the main factors in poor outcomes for the Covid infected. BTW, my husband took Hydroxychloroquin for 4 days following infection. One more thing... 6 months later and our antibodies are going strong. Whether or not you choose to take the vaccine, the above plan  is necessary to fight off the virus. Anyone who doesn't believe that the healthier your lifestyle is, the better your outcome will be. How come Dr. Fauci has not once mentioned the importance of losing weight, exercising and eating better?  It's all masks and vaccines with him.

My opinion is we are best served here debating the benefits of Vitamin D, C, Zinc, B and their counterparts.

These on their own merits are so so important, and as we all know, not just for Cluster Headaches, but for just tremendous immune support in general.

Once we start getting into Paul/Fauci/Vaccines/Ivermectin/Hydroxycholoroquine, I feel that we lose the plot here.

I've personally recommended a lot of people (as recently as today) to these forums, and hope that they gain (at minimum) the knowledge that I gained, and find some relief.

Forever grateful.

Hey Jackiegirl and Eeallen,

Excellent comments!  The list of well designed RCTs, Systematic Reviews and Meta-Analyses with impressive numbers of test subjects and referenced studies provide strong medical evidence that sufficient vitamin D3 and cofactors with responding serum 25(OH)D3 concentrations above 50 ng/mL (125 nmol/L) provide a very real level of protection against viral infections including the Wuhan coronavirus and its growing number of mutant strains.

One of the more recent systematic reviews was prepared by Linda Benskin, PhD, RN, SRN (Ghana).  Linda is what you might call a Super Nurse with academic credentials and real world experience caring for people in undeveloped countries that exceed most physicians.  The following link will take you to her latest published work.  It's titled,  THE INFLUENCE OF VITAMIN D ON COVID-19 OUTCOMES Chapter 4 of Covid-19 and Nutraceuticals: A Guidebook - Benskin Sept 2021

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The section titled "Biological Plausibility: How vitamin D’s known mechanisms of action relate to Covid-19" is particularly interesting.  This is heavy technical reading with attention to detail discussing the many ways vitamin D3 protects us from the destructive effects of the Wuhan corona virus, but one would expect nothing less from a consummate professional and scientist.

Linda also cares for headache sufferers at UT Houston.  She's found the anti-inflammatory regimen CH and MH preventative treatment protocol to be as effective in controlling CH and MH as we have.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

Batch,  the vitamin D regimen might be all very good when it comes to protecting the individual from infection but how does that help when it comes to eliminating,  or seriously suppressing,  a disease like Covid while offering neither the individual nor the community any sort of immunity from it?

It's herd immunity,  mostly through mass vaccination,  that has pretty much rid the world of so many devastating and deadly pandemic diseases like polio, tuberculosis, diphtheria, small pox, measles, whooping cough and so on and,  while your plan of attack might be wonderful for each individual person who uses it,  I can't see how it's going to stop this disease on a world scale as it offers no mass immunity at all.

It might protect you,  but it protects no-one else,  so I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this aspect.

Cheers and beers,

Brian in Oz.

For those interested in the other side. 

Remember, the Vitamin D Crowd has been claiming for decades that Vitamin D will cure everything from Acne to Stroke, and all points in-between. 

1.  Study: Vitamin D won’t limit risk, severity of COVID-19 (May 2021)

“The evidence says that your long-term, usual nutritional status of vitamin D has no effect on whether or not you get COVID-19 and how severe the case is,” said Bonnie Patchen, a doctoral student in the field of nutrition and member of the Cassano Research Group. “That suggests vitamin D supplementation is unlikely to be an effective public health strategy to slow the spread of COVID-19.”

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2.  Insufficient evidence for vitamin D use in COVID‐19: A rapid systematic review (Aug. 2021)

“As a practical implication, the use of vitamin D associated with SC seems to provide some benefit to patients with COVID‐19. However, the evidence is currently insufficient to support the routine use of vitamin D for the management of COVID‐19, as its effectiveness seems to depend on the dosage, on the baseline vitamin D levels, and on the degree of COVID‐19 severity.”

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3.      Can Vitamin D Help Protect against COVID?  (June 2021)

“Some studies suggest an impact, particularly for those who are vitamin-deficient. But for now, the jury is out.  “Given the results of Neale’s large-scale study and the modest benefits found in Martineau’s latest meta-analysis, it seems unlikely that vitamin D will prove to be a critical ingredient in fending off COVID-19 or modulating its severity.”

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4.      Vitamin D: The truth about an alleged Covid ‘cover-up’  (April 2021)

“Many studies have shown an association between vitamin D and Covid outcomes, but the evidence is largely observational - meaning it looks at what happens to people with higher and lower levels of vitamin D without controlling for other factors.”

“One particular paper from the University of Barcelona has attracted attention, claiming to be just this type of study.  It suggested vitamin D had staggering success, with an 80% reduction in intensive care admissions and a 60% reduction in Covid deaths.
It was widely shared online. But it has since been removed from the Lancet's preprint server over "concerns about the description of the research", and it is now being investigated.”

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Cue the attack on “Big Pharma…”

Putting the three papers aside that have been withdrawn, Alipio's, the fraudulent paper from Raharusuna & Glicio's, there is a still 6 legitimate published RCT's and 12 RCT's with results to be published and more registered not yet completed RCT's looking at this - ongoing concurrent investigation will hopefully clear the matter up for ya'll!

The data from Cochranes systemic review looking at Vitamin D and COVID-19 is there for all to review and make your own interpretation, and whilst I have a confirmation bias given D3 has worked for my cluster headache for some time, in looking at the data and the commentary on this analysis - my question is not that the data isn't there and are you selling snake oil, its more - is the data in regards severity of outcome showing a correlative or causative connection, without jumping to a conclusion I think its exciting and I look forward to seeing the data in the coming papers.

I found Chris Masterjohn's review of Cochranes paper insightful, its an interpretation and I certainly have questions remaining like the U curve in the data as levels elevate above 60ng/ml - why.

I'm also keen to understand why none of these studies are looking at Vitamin D alongside Vitamin A + K, zinc, magnesium.

There is sure to be some relevant data included in these studies already and about to be published that will be relevant to us folks with cluster headache and so I believe it is important that the discussion continues in these patient circles.

For anyone that is like woah, this stuff is too hard to understand, Ninja Nerd Lectures brought the data together in a fantastic keynote presentation explaining Vitamin D's pathways in influencing immune system function in respect of COVID-19.

Ninja Nerd Lectures - Vitamin D, Covid-19
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Cochrane Living Meta-Analysis of COVID-19 and Vitamin D
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Chris Masterjohns Review of the Cochrane Reports Data-set
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Virginia Hospital Found In Contempt Of Court, Subject To $10k Per Day Fines After Denying Patient Ivermectin

It's a funny old world when a judge knows more about medicine than the doctors and hospitals know and can write prescriptions for a drug widely believed to be useless in preventing or treating a disease and with shocking side-effects thrown in for free.

Little wonder it's banned in most countries for use against covid.

Mind you,  this is being reported by dailywire.com whose reputation leaves much to be considered when it comes to facts, truth or anything related.

AussieBrian wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:

It's a funny old world when a judge knows more about medicine than the doctors and hospitals know and can write prescriptions for a drug widely believed to be useless in preventing or treating a disease and with shocking side-effects thrown in for free. Little wonder it's banned in most countries for use against covid. Mind you,  this is being reported by dailywire.com whose reputation leaves much to be considered when it comes to facts, truth or anything related.

Hey Brian! I hope you are faring well. I hear parts of Australia are teetering on the verge totalitarian loss of individual rights based on medical "safety". I'm praying for all of you. You either didn't read the article, or you have a child's understanding of the US legal system. Some judges here still follow our Constitution, and the ruling reflected that. The judge didn't need a medical degree to comprehend the offense. When governments and corporations get as massive as ours, the corruption is also massive. Hospitals here receive tons of money for covid patients. We have a saying...follow the money. I hope your country finds a way to take back its liberties.
Stay well, mate.
-Patti

Just as a matter of curiosity Patti, since you suggested that Brian has a "child's understanding" of the US legal system, can you help us by citing from your "adult understanding" what article of the Constitution the hospital might be violating in the above case?  Lots of people like to claim Constitutional rights that don't exist.  Does a patient have a Constitutional right to receive a specific, dangerous drug that a hospital deems unfit treatment for the disease it is treating?  If so, please enlighten.

If only it was that simple, take a pill and she'll be right mate, even being fully vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting COVID 19, and passing it on to others, but on the upside, they say being fully vaccinated you won't die from it  :).

Cheers, Hoppy

If you're a parent, grand parent, uncle or ant of children, please watch the video of Dr. Malone at the following link.  He provides sound reasons why children should NOT be vaccinated for COVID-19 with the mRNA gene therapy.

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Take good care of your kids,

V/R, Batch

Traveller,

Under Virginia law, every patient has the right to receive treatment deemed appropriate for them by their attending physician, and terminally ill patients have the right to try investigational medicines that their treating physician recommends.

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Take good care of your kids,

V/R, Batch



I read the transcript then took a couple of minutes to google Dr Malone MD.

His credentials leave much to be considered.

Quacks, frauds, and studies that never took place.  This is the staple of Batch and his fellow anti-vaxxers.  How many lives have these fools and charlatans cost?

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19,886 lives lost as of 3 Dec 2021

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No one should be surprised that you would mis-use VAERS data to support your radical anti-vax agenda;  you regularly report studies that don't exist.  Is there any doubt that the anti-vaxxers are purposely flooding the VAERS system with fake reports?  In the early 2000s, an anesthesiologist falsely reported he had been turned into the Incredible Hulk by the flu shot, and the report appeared in VAERS.

For those that care to know the truth:

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

Finally, the inclusion of a picture of a child to reinforce your stream of misinformation is just sad.

Batch wrote on Dec 16^th, 2021 at 2:13am:

Traveller, Under Virginia law, every patient has the right to receive treatment deemed appropriate for them by their attending physician, and terminally ill patients have the right to try investigational medicines that their treating physician recommends.

Your quote above seems to have been lifted verbatim from the second paragraph of a press release by the Front Line Covid Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC). 

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The FLCCC has, as one of its leading members, the infamous Dr.  Stella G. Immanuel, whose most outstanding contribution to modern medicine appears to be her claim that various gynecological maladies are caused by unconscious sex with demons and witches.  She also claims the US has been using Alien DNA to treat human health issues, and that the government is “growing demons” and intentionally mixing human and demon DNA. 

I wouldn’t trust these people to prescribe aspirin, but heck, if they are your go to source for medical and legal opinions that’s clearly your right.

Traveller,

Perhaps you could be so kind and tell us what you think is an acceptable death rate for the experimental COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy.

I worry more about what the death rate would have been if we had no vaccine therapy.

Fauci couldn't or wouldn't answer that question. 

Surely you could give us your best estimate of an acceptable death rate from the Experimental COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy.

Here's another question for you.  A 5-year old girl has all the eggs (oocytes) in her ovaries she was born with, one to two million oocites.  Can you tell us there will be no harm to the girl's oocites from the Experimental COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy?

As at the 17 December 2021, their were 801,037 confirmed deaths in the US due to COVID 19  :(

Hoppy

And despite all the death, pain, and immense financial costs of the disease, Batch and his Anti-Vax Crusaders continue to attack the most effective means we have to address this pandemic with lies, mis-information, and now diversion.  Time and time again we have countered his lies, and all he can do is ask "when did you stop beating your wife" questions.  It is beyond disgraceful.

Here in Western Australia we have had 1,110 confirmed COVID 19 cases with 1,089 recovered and 9 deaths. We now have an 80% fully vaccinated rate, and living the new normal life.

Hoppy

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Pfizer Vaccine Clinical Trials Poorly Designed From the Start, Analysis Shows

The Canadian COVID Care Alliance assembled a presentation that demonstrates how Pfizer’s purported randomized placebo-controlled, double-blinded study veered away from methodologies that would have definitively answered questions about the vaccine’s safety and efficacy.
By
Madhava Setty, M.D.

Here are a few key points from the CCCA presentation:

   Initial data demonstrated a high relative risk reduction of infection yet this amounted to an absolute risk reduction of only 0.84%. It is the absolute risk reduction that determines the risk-benefit ratio required to make informed decisions around inoculation.

   Early unblinding: Several months before publishing six-month observational results Pfizer opted to offer its product to those participants who received the placebo. By eliminating nearly all participants in the placebo wing Pfizer effectively closed the curtain on its experiment because long-term comparisons can no longer be made.

    All-cause mortality and morbidity, the only sensible outcomes to use in determining efficacy and risk, were not considered. Indeed, all-cause mortality was higher in the vaccinated group after six months.

    Severe adverse events outnumbered cases of severe COVID prevented after six months of observation.

    Trial participants were not reflective of the most vulnerable members of our population — more than 50% of people dying from COVID are 75 years of age or older. This age group made up only 4.4% of trial participants. Also, 95% of those who have died from COVID had one or more comorbidities. Nearly 80% of trial participants had none.

    Not every trial participant was tested for COVID. Asymptomatic or paucisymptomatic (presenting few symptoms) cases were missed.

Questions regarding unblinding and data integrity

The CCCA presentation also resurrects a puzzling observation mentioned in a briefing document Pfizer submitted only to the FDA’s Vaccine and Related Biologic Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) of the FDA, but nowhere else — including the widely cited summary of the trial reported in New England Journal of Medicine.

According to the document, 3,410 participants were suspected from their clinical presentation of having COVID but they were excluded from efficacy calculations because a diagnosis could not be confirmed through PCR testing.

The CCCA presentation presumes this large group of participants was never tested. The wording in the VRBPAC briefing document is indeed vague, stating the participants were “not PCR-confirmed” in one sentence and “unconfirmed” in another.

Assuming Pfizer’s investigators followed their study protocol, these participants were in fact tested. Yet that forces us to accept that more than 3,400 participants who had symptoms of COVID were suffering from other illnesses, not COVID.

In other words, there were 3,580 participants who clinically presented with COVID (3,410 suspected and 170 confirmed). Of these, more than 95% tested negative. This is difficult to accept in a group where clinical suspicion is high.

However, with no further testing by the investigators, we are left to accept these numbers as reported.

Note:  The a pdf download of the CCCA briefing deck is at the the following link.  Draw your own conclusions.

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Now for some really great news!

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, December 20, 2021

NO DEATHS FROM VITAMINS

Safety Confirmed by America's Largest Database
by Andrew W. Saul, Editor

OMNS (Dec. 20, 2021) The 38th annual report from the American Association of Poison Control Centers shows zero deaths from vitamins. Supporting data is in Table 22B, p 1476-1478, at the very end of the report published in Clinical Toxicology. [1] It is interesting that it is so quietly placed way back there where nary a news reporter is likely to see it. The AAPCC reports zero deaths from multiple vitamins. And, there were no deaths whatsoever from vitamin A, niacin, pyridoxine (B-6) any other B-vitamin. There were no deaths from vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, or from any vitamin at all.

On page 1477 there is an allegation of a single death attributed to an unspecified, unknown "Miscellaneous Vitamin." The obvious uncertainly of such a listing diminishes any claim of validity.

There were no fatalities from amino acids, creatine, blue-green algae, glucosamine, or chondroitin. There were no deaths from any homeopathic remedy, Asian medicine, Hispanic medicine, or Ayurvedic medicine. None.

Zero deaths from vitamins. Want to bet this will never be on the evening news? Well, have you seen it there? And why not? After all, over half of the U.S. population takes daily nutritional supplements. A Harris Poll showed that for American adults, the number is 86%. [2] But let's just use the low number. Should each of those people tale only one single tablet daily, that still makes close to 170,000,000 individual doses per day, for a total of well over 60 billion doses annually. Since many persons take far more than just one single vitamin tablet, actual consumption is considerably higher, and the safety of vitamin supplements is all the more remarkable.

Throughout the entire year, coast to coast across the entire USA, there was not one single death from a vitamin. If vitamin supplements are allegedly so "dangerous," as the FDA, the news media, and even some physicians still claim, then where are the bodies?

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Batch wrote:   "There were no deaths from any homeopathic remedy..."

I question this statement as an outright lie.

People are dying continuously here in Australia due to reliance on homeopathic mumbo-jumbo rather than seeing a doctor.  Children of homeopathic parents are dying,  even pets are dying,  because of a belief in this nonsense.

Doubtless the same is happening in other countries.

"A husband and wife were jailed today for the manslaughter of their baby, who died after they chose to use homeopathic remedies rather than conventional medicine to treat her severe skin disorder."   Cause of death was septaecemia and malnutrition and daddy was a lecturer in homeopathy.

I know a woman who did a four year degree in homeopathy,  which meant she could write prescriptions for diseases she'd diagnosed,  but didn't know the difference between a primary headache and a secondary headache.  Couldn't pick a migraine from a brain tumour and those of us here know where that danger lies.

I challenge the statement outright but those who are unsure may choose to google  "death by homeopathy".   Makes for interesting reading.

The "Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame?"  Now that is funny.  About time you mixed a little humor into your Anti-Vax propaganda.  Thanks for the laughs.

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Brian wrote, I question this statement as an outright lie.

People are dying continuously here in Australia due to reliance on homeopathic mumbo-jumbo rather than seeing a doctor.  Children of homeopathic parents are dying,  even pets are dying,  because of a belief in this nonsense.



"A husband and wife were jailed today for the manslaughter of their baby, who died after they chose to use homeopathic remedies rather than conventional medicine to treat her severe skin disorder."   Cause of death was septaecemia and malnutrition and daddy was a lecturer in homeopathy.

I doubt very much it's the homeopathic remedies that's killing people, its more because they refuse to seek tried and proven medication from a health professional.

Hoppy

Avoiding proper medical care is part of the homeopathic remedy,  part of their cure.

I had to drag a homeopath screaming out of the bush to get a tropical ulcer attended to before she lost her foot and lower leg.  Her medical training hadn't mentioned such things,   she'd refused to see a doctor as part of her  "professional training and preference"  and was treating it with ti-tree oil.

Her biggest concern was her patients hearing of her desertion to the cause as their beliefs were such a huge part of her remedies.

People certainly have died from homeopathic remedies,  or become vastly more sick than was necessary,  hence my rare appearance on this thread because such statements can't go unchallenged.

Vitamin A has killed many people....it is highly toxic.

Peter.

Yes! If you abuse it, instead of following the recommended dosage on the bottle label, or ignoring what dosage your doctor prescribed to take.

Cheers Hoppy

G'day,  Hoppy,  and these replies are in direct response to Batch's claims about zero deaths from vitamins or homeopathy.

Batch wrote,  "AAPCC reports zero deaths from multiple vitamins. And, there were no deaths whatsoever from vitamin A, niacin, pyridoxine (B-6) any other B-vitamin. There were no deaths from vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, or from any vitamin at all."

Our good friend Peter510 suggests this might not be entirely true and I've already replied about unnecessary deaths due directly to homeopathic remedies.

Alternative therapies may well be wonderful but such erroneous and dangerous statements about the value of vitamins and homeopathy must be challenged because neither have any true science to back them up.

As mentioned above,  people have died as a result of these  'remedies'.

Indeed Brian,

My point is that it is dangerous to make a general statement implying that the use of Vitamins is benign. They are not.

A certain Pharmaceutical company did the same when promoting OxyContin and we all know where that lead.

Of course we would hope that most people will stay within the recommended dosages for any treatments, but the fact is some don’t, and the consequences can be dire.

I’ll take this opportunity to wish everyone here a very happy and pain free New Year. Let’s hope 2022 is better than the previous two years.

Peter.

"The CDC has finally admitted that the PCR test cannot differentiate between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. So now we officially know why the common flu disappeared during the COVID pandemic."

Multiple sources including the CDC 

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My only comment here is a simple question.  Would you ask your doctor to give you the 2019-2020 Flu Vaccine?

Rationale:  The COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy, hyped as a vaccine, was developed based on the Alpha Variant of the Wuhan coronavirus. That virus has clearly mutated and is not in circulation.  The Delta variant is the real killer and it is being overtaken by the Omicron variant presently increasing its circulation.  Can you connect the dots?

By the way, it appears some are quoting me incorrectly so let’s get the story straight.  I've NEVER said  "There were no deaths from any homeopathic remedy..."  All I did was quote the OMNS article about the 38th annual report from the American Association of Poison Control Centers shows zero deaths from vitamins.

I did this as the Lame Stream Media would never mention this.

I just checked the FDA's Adverse Events Reporting System (FAERS) at the following link for the last two years and there was one death listing Vitamin A as the primary suspect.  My comment - That entry looks questionable given the symptoms.

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Finally, our friend Traveller frequently calls me an Antivaxxer.  I am not!  What I am is Pro Choice.  In simple terms, what I want is the Liberty and Freedom of Choice, with the emphasis on LIBERTY and FREEDOM - Not a Mandate! 

I also think our immune systems are the only real virus killers and we need to keep them boosted to provide maximum protection against antigens including the Wuhan coronavirus and all its mutants.  It takes vitamin D3 and all its cofactors to keep our immune systems healthy. 

If you understand the function of vaccines, you know they can never be effective without a fully functioning immune system.

In closing -

" We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"

  Declaration of Independence.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Preamble - Constitution of the United States

Take care,

V/R, Batch

"Finally, our friend Traveller frequently calls me an Antivaxxer.  I am not!  What I am is Pro Choice.  In simple terms, what I want is the Liberty and Freedom of Choice, with the emphasis on LIBERTY and FREEDOM - Not a Mandate!"


You were spouting lies, misinformation, and promoting quacks and frauds long, long before the idea of a vaccine mandate ever arose.  It started with your very first nonsense on this thread, and has continued with dozens of your large font "Look At Me, I Am Important" posts.  Own up to your position.  It's all there in black and white and anyone can see it.

Hey Traveller,

Thank you for quoting me correctly.  As this is a free and open forum, you're entitled to your opinion and I celebrate that freedom.

Here's mine.  I think there are a few members of this forum who are suffering from a form of Hypnosis called  “Mass Formation Psychosis” (a.k.a., Mass Psychosis).  It is caused by fear and an unending barrage of propaganda and fear porn put out by Big Government, Big Pharma and their shills in Big News media with a constant narrative 7 X 24 than brain washes the individual to oppose anyone who challenges the official narrative - and asks questions like "Where is the real science? 

You can find a discussion and definition of "Mass Formation" by Professor Mattias Desmet at the following link.

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Perhaps another explanation and discussion of "Mass Formation" by Dr. Robert Malone at the following link is easier to understand.

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My questions are simple like if the COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy is so effective, why are more people dead from COVID-19 this year than last year?  And oh by the way, you can't blame the un-vaccinated as none had the vaccine in 2020 where there were fewer COVID-19 deaths.  Moreover, if the COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy is so safe, why are close to 20,000 recipients dead within 10 to 15 days of the jab? Where are the results of animal studies of the COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy?  Why has the FDA classified and sealed the Pfizer documentation on their RCT of the COVID-19 mRNA gene therapy until 2076?

"The agency this week told a court that it had found about 329,000 pages of responsive information, but that it would like to release just 500 pages each month — giving it until 2076 to complete the request."  Now that's slow rolling the FOIA process big time!

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Why?  What is so damning in the Pfizer RCT data that We the People cannot have access to it?

Why are physicians who have spent their entire careers saving lives banned from providing early treatment of COVID-19 patients with FDA approved medications that are proving to be effective treatments?

I invite any and all to enter discussions on any of these questions.  I will also continue to provide relevant topics of interest to this thread.

Take care,

V/R, Batch

G'day Batch, my daughter and her boyfriend who live in Melbourne with his parents and are all fully vaccinated and have now caught COVID 19 "Delta strain" but not having to go into hospital, so maybe the jabs have saved them from a more serious outcome.

Cheers Hoppy

"I'm not anti-vax.  I'm pro-choice."

I know a pro-choicer with two teenage kids who really want to get their vaccinations but he won't allow it.

So much for choice.

And apparently those of us who believe in actual science -- and not frauds and quacks -- are now part of some vast mind-control experiment perpetrated by the media and the medical profession.  It must be a damned powerful process -- they even got Trump!

Two years, and a vast amount of information available from other websites for everyone here to get their take on covid from. I think that's enough banter of it here. Please move on.

Thank you.