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Cluster Headache Help and Support >> Medications, Treatments, Therapies >> Erenumab http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1589031527 Message started by Bob P on May 9th, 2020 at 9:38am |
Title: Erenumab Post by Bob P on May 9th, 2020 at 9:38am
Our findings support the efficacy and tolerability of monthly erenumab 140 mg as a preventive treatment in patients suffering from both migraines without aura and CH. We speculate that erenumab could represent a low‐risk alternative for CH patients (with or without comorbid migraine) who did not tolerate common CH preventatives therapies or for whom the therapies were not successful. Certainly, randomized trials are needed to confirm these observations and we hope that our data, showing a delayed therapeutic effect only with the highest dose of erenumab (140 mg/month), can be taken into account in designing future trials.
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Title: Re: Erenumab Post by John2 on Jun 9th, 2020 at 1:23am
40 yrs CH, this one didn't work.
I could see how it would benefit in migraine, but in CH, it knocked maybe a whisper off a scream. Good luck with it. |
Title: Re: Erenumab Post by Batch on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:57pm
There are three facts, CHers and migraineurs need to understand about trying to prevent CH or migraines with monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) developed to neutralize Calcitonin Gene-Related Peptide (CGRP) - basically why they don't and won't work to prevent CH or MH.
1. It's been well established in several studies, at least two by none other than the good Dr. Peter Goadsby, that CGRP is expressed (synthesized) primarily from within neurons of the trigeminal ganglia. In order for any anti-CGRP intervention to down-regulate/suppress CGRP, it must enter these neurons. 2. Size Matters. Monoclonal Antibodies have a molecular mass of 150,000 Daltons (150 KDa). The fenestration (windows) through the blood brain barrier (BBB) a.k.a., the arterial capillaries and microvasculature in the brain and in particular, within the trigeminovascular complex) have a maximum window size that allows molecules no larger than 400 Da to pass from the bloodstream through the BBB into brain tissues and neurons. As the monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) have a molecular mass of 150,000 Da, they are 375 times too big to pass through the BBB. If these mAbs can't get to the site of action where CGRP is expresses/synthesized, there's no way it can stop this process or completely prevent CH or migraine. What appears to be happening is these anti-CGRP mAbs are lowering serum CGRP concentrations and this is possibly why there are slight reductions in migraine days as small amounts of CGRP is also expressed elsewhere in the body outside the CNS that's protected by the BBB. 3. As usual, Big Pharma is so interested in profit it focused only on CGRP. It turns out there are three other neuropeptides responsible for the neurogenic inflammation and pain we know as CH or migraine. They are Substance P (SP), Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide (VIP) and Pituitary Adenylate Cyclase-Activating Polypeptide (PACAP). You can google these peptides if you don't believe me. The anti-CGRP mAbs made by Big Pharma do NOTHING to suppress SP, VIP or PACAP so there's no way they can completely prevent CH or migraine headaches. On the other hand, vitamin D3 has a molecular mass of 385 Da and 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D3, a.k.a. 25(OH)D3 has a molecular mass of 400 Da. Accordingly, both vitamin D3 and 25(OH)D3 pass through the BBB and enter neurons in the trigeminovascular complex where they are hydroxylated to 1,25(OH)2D3, the genetically active vitamin D3 metabolite that down-regulates the expression (synthesis) of CGRP, SP and VIP. They also enter neurons within the pituitary gland to down-regulate the expression of PACAP. So much for today's lesson in molecular biology as it applies to cluster and migraine headache. Take care, V/R, Batch |
Title: Re: Erenumab Post by Hoppy on Jun 13th, 2020 at 12:32am |
Title: Re: Erenumab Post by The Thinker on Nov 28th, 2020 at 12:54am
Hello Batch. I have been reading this post back and forth over the last couple of days, I am firstly wanting to tip my hat off to you for your contributions - you’re explanations are fantastic.
I’m wondering if you are following any developments in the research and clinical trials of both CGRP (eptinezumab) and PACAP (ALD1910) monoclonal antibody medicines and if there is a good place to keep an eye on developments in this area? It sounds promising - albeit I think I’ll stick with the down regulation properties of vitamin D3 for now, certainly things look hopeful for the future; there seems to be a lot of research and interest in studying these neuro peptides and their relation to neurogenic headache disorders at the moment. From following your posts and your sheer dedication in understanding the CGRP cascade, it appears to me this is the holy grail of understanding cluster headache, and again I thankyou for imparting your knowledge SIR - I know there are thousands of people grateful for it, myself included. |
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