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Jun 30th, 2008 at 9:53pm
 
I have suffered from CH for about 10 years. Just when I think they are gone, THEY ARE NOT!

My most recent attack started 3 weeks ago and is progressively getting worse with each day. My doc restarted me on verapamil 240mg but this has brought no ease. Imitrex seems to shorten the length of pain but always leaves me with a shadow every morning.

My attacks are like clock work always at 1:30am. I have found that if I stay awake past this time occasionally I am not affected at 1:30am  and instead they occur around 5am(about 1-2 hours after I fall asleep).

Any words of advice?
Jun 30th, 2008 at 9:52pm
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 10:30pm
 
hey crab-

sorry you're suffering, but welcome to the site.  I too when in cycle get my hits at night- about 1-2 hours after falling asleep. Its such a pain!

many of us here take verapamil but many take higher dosages than 240.  I was taking 660 mg during my last cycle- at 480  i was still getting random hits so neuro put me on 160 extra at bedtime.   That did it for me- no hits -

What kind of trex? injects, pills , nasals?  Injects seem to act the quickest for me- can abort in about 5-10minutes- injecting yourself takes some courage at first  Undecided but in time no worries-   You may want to ask your doc about Frovatriptan ( an abortive)-  takes about an 1 hour to kick in but can give you up to 26 hours of pf time-  kind of used like a preventative - can't mix triptans though -so no imitrex and frova at the same time

Some have found success with taking some melatonin at night before bed to avoid the nighttime hits- anywhere between 6-12 mg.  Also- get yourself some red bull or any other energy drink that contains at least a 1000 mg of Taurine-  Red bull has stopped many a HA from ramping up for me.  Also two cups of strong black coffee has killed some hits too


Also read all you can about oxygen-  i am not the expert in that area- but it is a miracle for many in terms of a safe cheap abortive-  others will be along to help in that area- 

Read everything you can - you may need to help your doctor help you.  Hoping you have some painfree time soon!

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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 10:50pm
 
Thanks Kelly

Last year I used oxygen but this year I am having a very hard time getting the insurance to approve it. I am taking the imitrex pills, I have had the shots in the past and usually have to go to the er for the shots. The insurance will only give me one box a month vs the pills I get 9 tablets per month.

So with the red bull which I love to drink should I use that before bed or at time of the attack?
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 11:16pm
 
For the red bull- suck it down when you have a strong shadow or when you feel a HA coming on-  I've never used it as a preventative before bedtime- only when a ha is coming on or strong shadowing-  

Can you get a physician override on your trex?  I have blue cross blue shield that limited the amount of trex i could get and my doc faxed an override to the insurance company that allowed me to get more trex-  If i had to have trex and could only  choose between nasals or pills to abort( assuming you couldn't get enough injects of course)- i'd go with the nasals just for the quicker relief- Pills take so long to abort - but i certainly understand that something is better than nothing when you are pain-
ultimately if my insurance co  allows it with the override the shots are the quickest -

You may really want to check out Frova- It helped me immensely this cycle- I was having rebound ha from so much trex-that i stopped it altogether and just did frova 1x per day with the verapamil-  My doc gave me an 8 samples -  worked wonders-

Also while out of cycle- some stockpile abortives- doing that myself right now - so that i don't have to deal with the insurance company hassles ( just a tip for the future)

There are other ways to get o2 if insurance company won't approve- again not the expert here- ( where are BATCH and the others?)  Some folks use welders oxygen-  do a search of previous posts on this site regarding that or wait for the o2 experts to steer you right in that area!

Hoping you have a PF night-  hang in there and read all you can!  sounds like you have a doc that has some sense- Hopefully you work with him to get you painfree
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Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2008 at 2:35am
 
Sorry you have need of this site, but a big welcome to you now  you are here.

I hope this site helps you as much as it helps me

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Reply #5 - Jul 1st, 2008 at 3:42am
 
If it's just a question of paying for the 02 it's relatively cheap. For a while my insurance wouldn't cover it and i was out of pocketing it. $4.50 a month e-tank rental, $11.00 each time  filled them. An e-tank would buy me 6-8 attacks so it was money well spent.

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Reply #6 - Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:17am
 
Agree, you're Verap a bit low. Print give to your doc (from one of the old men of CH).


Headache. 2004 Nov;44(10):1013-8.   

Individualizing treatment with verapamil for cluster headache patients.

Blau JN, Engel HO.

    Background.-Verapamil is currently the best available prophylactic drug for patients experiencing cluster headaches (CHs). Published papers usually state 240 to 480 mg taken in three divided doses give good results, ranging from 50% to 80%; others mention higher doses-720, even 1200 mg per day. In clinical practice we found we needed to adapt dosage to individual's time of attacks, in particular giving higher doses before going to bed to suppress severe nocturnal episodes. A few only required 120 mg daily. We therefore evolved a scheme for steady and progressive drug increase until satisfactory control had been achieved. Objective.-To find the minimum dose of verapamil required to prevent episodic and chronic cluster headaches by supervising each individual and adjusting the dosage accordingly. Methods.-Consecutive patients with episodic or chronic CH (satisfying International Headache Society (IHS) criteria) were started on verapamil 40 mg in the morning, 80 mg early afternoon, and 80 mg before going to bed. Patients kept a diary of all attacks, recording times of onset, duration, and severity. They were advised, verbally and in writing, to add 40 mg verapamil on alternate days, depending on their attack timing: with nocturnal episodes the first increase was the evening dose and next the afternoon one; when attacks occurred on or soon after waking, we advised setting an alarm clock 2 hours before the usual waking time and then taking the medication. Patients were followed-up at weekly intervals until attacks were controlled. They were also reviewed when a cluster period had ended, and advised to continue on the same dose for a further 2 weeks before starting systematic reduction. Chronic cluster patients were reviewed as often as necessary. Results.-Seventy consecutive patients, 52 with episodic CH during cluster periods and 18 with chronic CH, were all treated with verapamil as above. Complete relief from headaches was obtained in 49 (94%) of 52 with episodic, and 10 (55%) of 18 with chronic CH; the majority needed 200 to 480 mg, but 9 in the episodic, and 3 in the chronic group, needed 520 to 960 mg for control. Ten, 2 in the episodic and 8 in the chronic group, with incomplete relief, required additional therapy-lithium, sumatriptan, or sodium valproate. One patient withdrew because verapamil made her too tired, another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome, and the drug was withdrawn. Conclusions.-Providing the dosage for each individual is adequate, preventing CH with verapamil is highly effective, taken three (occasionally with higher doses, four) times a day. In the majority (94%) with episodic CH steady dose increase under supervision, totally suppressed attacks. However in the chronic variety only 55% were completely relieved, 69% men, but only 20% women. In both groups, for those with partial attack suppression, additional prophylactic drugs or acute treatment was necessary. (Headache 2004;44:1013-1018).
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