Change we can believe in.

Yes, it's a slogan that works.  Of course it works.  It works even when 80% of the people who buy into the slogan have no frikkin idea what this man intends to change.  The other 20% DO understand, and they are the far, far left.

We have people who are going to vote for Obama because he isn't Bush.

We have people who are going to vote for Obama because he isn't a Republican.

We have people who are going to vote for Obama because he isn't white.

Whenever anybody questions his close associations with people like Wright, Ayers, Farrakhan, Rezco and many other criminals and Anti-Americans, the only response is to misdirect and point fingers at Bush.

He promises to raise all taxes.  Death taxes, income taxes, capital gains, fuel taxes, cap & trade, etc.  He promises to give bribes (sorry, handouts?) to poor families.  He promises to punish hard working Americans for being successful.

It's a radical left wing platform, there is no other way to describe it.  And he is a racist of the ugliest kind.  God forbid you point out that he is black, because that makes you a racist, but he can bring it up whenever it suits him.

Hail to the (soon to be) chief.

Kevin, I think you nailed it... Obama knows all he has to do is promise 'change' and all of the people who (justifiably) feel screwed right now will say "hell yes, I'm for change" and will fall right in line.  They have no idea what they are voting for because they do not care.  They want change. They are going to get it.  God help us all.

Maybe everything will be all better when I don't need to work and the government will provide me with everything I need.  100% dependence on government is the only answer that works, right?  Does anybody remember what the Declaration of INdependence was all about?  Does anyone care anymore?

Charlie, you are a smart man.  You give a lot of thought to your answers and I respect that.  I do not agree with you that Americans don't take care of their own (if they are able).  If it were not for the government taking so much of my income, I could give even more than I do to my church, my family, my community and the charities I support.  I would bet that for every $1 taken from me by this inefficient and corrupt system, maybe a penny goes to a worthy cause.  It's a broken system, and the answer isn't to have them taking even more of my money to waste.  The answer is LESS government programs, giving the people the ability to do what they used to be able to do, PROSPER.

McCain has some screwed up policies as well, but he is not in the camp that says government can do it better than I can, and that's where I draw the line.  Government should not encumber it's people unnecessarily.  Safety nets are fine, but when you make the system so that it punishes the people for doing the right thing, something is wrong.  Just look at welfare... have more babies, get more checks from the government, but don't try to get married and start a real family because they'll take your checks away... and don't get a job, God forbid... perfect example of the government destroying the opportunity to prosper, not providing a helping hand.  They MAKE people dependent on them and then keep them down.

I am not stupid enough to think I'm changing anybody's mind here... just venting because I DO see the light at the end of the tunnel and it's an oncoming train and I can't do anything about it.  America has lost its compass.

stevegeebe wrote on Aug 13^th, 2008 at 7:59am:


Thank you, Steve!

If you folks dont believe this trailer then go to Youtube and watch parts 1,2,3,4,5 and so on!

Fubar is so fucking RIGHT on this!

WATCH DAMIT!

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This thread is just as bad as the partisan infighting in the capitol building in DC.

We as Americans need to get back to basics and start voting for the right man for the job even if that guy may be a little left.

I have and will always be an independent voter and patriot of the freedom to do so!

I personally don’t give a shit if the guy disagrees with my philosophy as long as he does what the common man who put him there wants him to do.

Rolo………

Paul98 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2008 at 2:22pm:


Here is where I get stuck, facts.  Facts shouldn't be so debatable but whether Davis was any card-carrying member is not a fact.  Nor is it any fact Davis was a mentor to Obama.

Paul98 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2008 at 6:45am:


Not really though, Obama never stated anything of the kind.

May be a little left?

Seriously?  What, then, would you define as 'far' left?

This is exactly why the next election scares the bejesus out of me.  Our educational system and media have convinced our youth (and a good amount of non-youth) that the 'far left' is a cuddly kitten, ready to give you pleasure and sustenance for the rest of your days.

Pawns.

Freedom is in peril.

All references to this lead back to Cliff Kincaid.  The article wonders why big media doesn't pick up the story.  Kincaid is highly ignorable, he has a problem with truth when it interferes with the duties he is paid to do.  It's a nice paste, paperclip, staple, and rubberband relationship he's concocted, unsurprisingly an unsubstantiated one.
  With sources like blogs and communists, far be it for any propaganda to be inherent during U.S. election time.

Obama never stated anything of the kind.

Learning something is true allows less levity than having the desires of belief construed, which is Kincaid's job.

Charlie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2008 at 6:33pm:


But, have any of them opened their house to hold a fund raiser for you?

Whats that guys name that was a member of "The weathermen"?

You know, the cop killing group!

Thats Obamas buddy, lives right up the street from him!

Charlie wrote on Aug 14^th, 2008 at 7:01pm:


If that was meant for me, Charlie.......it dont answer shit about what I asked!

If not, cool  

To bad you dont have broadband, Charlie. You wont be able to watch this documentery on Obamas friend.......try googeling "the weather underground".

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They killed a cop here in Mass that had 13 kids!!

Wiki is the last site I would quote.

A German dude emailed me and asked me to get ahold of Fletcher so Wiki could use one of his CH drawings (Wiki insisted).

When I could not contact Fletcher I told the German dude that I thought Fletcher would want his drawing there........thats all it took to get that drawing on Wiki.

I dont trust anything on that site, if I can second hand ok for that drawing to go up.....its all shit to me!

Blimey, we're in trouble now.