Thats right, pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.

Ya gotta love the typical right wing bumper stickers though.  The one on the left says "Bomb them all, let God sort them out".  The one on the right says "Choose Life"

I find it kind of surprising that the constitution party's official stance is against abortion.  Personal freedom is the base of the party.

Charlie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 7:37pm:


I wish I was as wise as Charlie. I apologies if my comments offended anyone. While in my early 20's a girlfriend of mine aborted without my knowledge. It wasn't until we broke up that I learned of it. I don't have a child of my own, and the knowledge that the one chance that I did have was thrown away the way that it was cuts me to the bone. I regret my words, but not the feelings behind them.

Be well.

OK, I’ll take a try at this quandary.

I was raised Catholic and went to parochial schools from 3-8th grade and so have several thoughts on the particulars of the matter.

First off, it is an unsavory topic as Charle has pointed out and he is right in saying that the topic has totally ruined politics by driving a wedge into the voters thereby keeping the right man for the job from the job. Being able to achieve nothing has become the stay these days!

Now when it comes to life there is a compassion factor involved and most all people have lost the ability to discern the difference between compassion and survival. If an animal is a pest or taking your food, destroying your property ect., then its open season to me and I’ll be the first one to sign up for firing squad duty!

I do believe in the death penalty and think it should be done in a timely manor.
If I were on the block, I would never let them kill me with IV’s and catheters strapped to a gurney. If given a choice, I would sign up for the Gary Gilmore plan.

The problem with abortion is no one can decide the matter for everyone, and everyone cannot decide for the individual. I personally disagree with abortion by D&C (unless the mother will die, and they usually can take them cesarean section today), and any doctor that aborts a fetus in the second and third trimesters should be stoned to death!

I also think a woman should have the right to a first term abortion even though I disagree with it, I would not stop some one else with my moral ineptitude.

The main problem is that it is up to the individual states to set the laws locally and the law changes at the state line allowing for many misdeeds to occur.

The women who pushed this in the 60’ are the same ones wishing they had some grandchildren today so in a way many of them have changed in their thinking also.

So, I say if it’s that important, get it on the national referendum and vote on it again.
Then when it comes out 45-55, maybe our generation get past this dead issue and move on to making the world a little bit better for the children we have now.

Roland……..

ClusterChuck wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 11:12am:


Nice thought, Chuck, but it's too bad that hasn't happened. Someone has to get personal, and the thread degrades.

I would never judge anyone that had to make this choice, whether they decide to keep their child or abort. 

Abortion is not right for me. and my beliefs, I never thought about it, because in my eyes the choice was already made by a power larger than me.  I was a mom at 17 and gave birth to a hero...

Not everyone feels this way, and I understand all situations are different.

ree

My neighbor is an Episcopal minister. Many years ago I agreed to help his wife volunteer at their pregnancy clinic during my summer break. The girls took a pregnancy test, results were back shortly but we kept them there for an hour counseling chastity, knowing results were negative (the girls didn't know yet). They already had sex! In my view point, this was the time to counsel birth control.  If the results were positive we counseled adoption. There are so many Christian organizations out there ready to help. Abortion was never an option. If none of this was acceptable and they had their heart set on keeping the baby, then they helped the mom for the coming months. We gave them donated furniture, took them to appointments, ect. I was very frustrated at the chastitiy attitude, although I understood being a chuch organization there probably was no option. I did not like the attitude of no abortions, even in the case of rape. They said a women who aborts a baby who has been concieved from rape now has to endure a double abuse. I personally can not imagine what it would be like to have life grow in me that was conceived in such a violent way. As much as I was impressed by the help and assistance, I shortly quit because of these anti abortion and lack of birth control counseling. That experience will stay with me for the rest of my life!

Charlotte

yipes !!! My lovely wife of 19 years and I just took a little weekend get-away in celebration of my birthday and our anniversary, and I get home to see this thread. I gotta say, i can find "something" to agree with in EVERY post! and something to DISagree with in every post. Folks, this is a fruitless argument, we might as well debate the prettiest color. As long as there is sex,,, there will be abortions, legal or not. Love, religion, sex, "morals", these things will ALWAYS cause wars and people will ALWAYS die. This is the world we live in, Jesus couldnt change it, and Hitler couldnt either.!! Live your life to the best of YOUR ability, treat others the way you would have them treat you, and,,,,,,,"smile, laugh, and be naked as much and as often as you can!!!!!!!!!                  Tuck

This is such a hard subject to voice an opinion on because it is murder  and people do not like it to be stated as such, hide it under the word abortion. no matter what the reason, right or wrong a baby is being killed because it is not wanted, it should be seen as that

I am like  Paul, in my younger days I agreed with  abortion (murder), it was a womans right to do as she pleased with her body, no questions asked, if she wanted to use abortion (murder) as contreception so be it.

Now I have grown up I do not agree with it at all, with special exceptions, life choice between mother or child, why should both die if one can be saved.  otherwise  I cannot agree at all, even for rape, the child can be adopted out.  Once pregnant there is no easy way out of the situation, it cannot be washed away , pretended it never happened, so why kill the life of the unborn baby for the mistake of the mother and father.
There is always other options and help available,.

I am for life - live and let live

Charlie

deltadarlin wrote on Aug 24^th, 2008 at 7:16pm:


This was my point earlier when I stopped helping out at the clinic. I just couldn't understand how abstinence could be the focus on a girl who was already sexually active. The girls who had negative pregnancy tests sure were lucky and I really felt it was our responsibility to make them more careful with birth control, not tell them don't do it!

Charlotte

cash5542 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2008 at 7:22pm:


I hear that point, MamaChar.  Taxpayers fund the clinics (or the non-profit churches(wink-wink)) and the clinics are supposed to do the parenting. 
A parent should know where their kid is, and reduce the possibly of drug/alcohol/sex use.  You certainly cant have the clinic calling all these kids to make sure they are home and safe every nite.
Parents are abstinent.  Therein lies the problem.