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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #75 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 12:12pm For those making comments on what Sarah Palin "thinks" about abortion, please direct me to a reliable source which states what she has said about it? I have yet to see anywhere that she is anti-abortion when it comes to rape, incest or threat of a womans health.
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Reply #76 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 12:48pm

Melissa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2008 at 12:12pm:

For those making comments on what Sarah Palin "thinks" about abortion, please direct me to a reliable source which states what she has said about it? I have yet to see anywhere that she is anti-abortion when it comes to rape, incest or threat of a womans health. Undecided

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This subject already got beat worse than a horse on the right to life thread.......... Roll Eyes

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Reply #77 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 1:30pm

Mel,
Got this from the Huffington Post, "In November 2006, then gubernatorial candidate Sarah Palin declared that she would not support an abortion for her own daughter even if she had been raped. Granting exceptions only if the mother's life was in danger, Palin said that when it came to her daughter, "I would choose life.".

Palin also stated that she would fund Abstinance Only programs in schools, She stated, "The explicit sex-ed programs," she added, "will not find my support.".

Look here to see her positions on other issues

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Jonny Ex Member	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #78 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 1:37pm Palins 17 year old is carrying a child right now.
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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #79 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 1:59pm Carolyn, do you have the link to the Huffington Post quote?
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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #80 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 2:03pm Ok, um, Carolyn? I checked out HuffingtonPost.com and when I clicked on the "Sarah Palin" link, I could not BELIEVE the the front page! It was like reading the Star or Globe.
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Scenario: Some scumbag rapes a Woman, she gets pregnant and has a bad time with it and her life is in danger, she still would have to have this child even if it meant she was going to die? WTF kind of thinking is that?

Pat Roberston & Co. and some Catholics would say that it's God's will and make her go through the thing.

Mel. Her very stong opposition to abortion is on a lot of columns and even here in The Buffalo News yesterday:

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She lost me with her saying that she supports teaching creationism in public schools and the moronic notion of abstinance only. She probably believes that unless your organization forbids the use of condoms, you don't get your aids medicine or care packages.

Bleaugh.

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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #82 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 3:12pm Charlie, nice cartoon page, lol at ontheissues.org, it says this: Praised by pro-life groups for keeping Down syndrome baby. (Aug 2008) Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008) Pro-life. (Nov 2006) Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006) So...which is it??
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Reply #83 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 6:05pm

I don't understand your question Mel.

On this link.... it's new to me today. I was interested in this guy's cartoons because The Buffalo News usually has good stuff and is left of center. Warren Buffet owns the thing.... Anyway, I rarely surf; even politics. I didn't look very deep at first because dialup is so damned slow. Any place that links me to Leonard Pitts, gets my attention. He's one of my favorite columnists.

If you don't know her abortion position, watch PBS or CSPAN. I have to now that I have only very basic cable which doesn't have stuff like CNN......anyway, all the PBS and CSPAN yakkers discuss it.

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Reply #84 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 6:34pm

Charlie wrote on Sep 1^st, 2008 at 2:54pm:

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Scenario: Some scumbag rapes a Woman, she gets pregnant and has a bad time with it and her life is in danger, she still would have to have this child even if it meant she was going to die? WTF kind of thinking is that?

Pat Roberston & Co. and some Catholics would say that it's God's will and make her go through the thing.

Mel. Her very stong opposition to abortion is on a lot of columns and even here in The Buffalo News yesterday:

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She lost me with her saying that she supports teaching creationism in public schools and the moronic notion of abstinance only. She probably believes that unless your organization forbids the use of condoms, you don't get your aids medicine or care packages.

Bleaugh.

Charlie

Evangelicals and catholics wouldn't use "God's will" since rape is not within God's will. Their point would be that life begins at conception and that no human is less than another no matter how conceived or who the parents are. Thus the way a child was conceived, the potential for handicap, or hardship on the mother because of the fact it was not her fault she got pregnant would not be a reason to kill a baby. This is a common misconception.

Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception but be OK with abortion in cases of rape?

Just want to clarify that point. I am not debating the merits of the argument but clarifying the actual rationale behind their beliefs.

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deltadarlin CH.com Alumnus Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 3823 Downsville LA Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #85 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 7:51pm Here you go mel. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or
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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #86 - Sep 1^st, 2008 at 8:08pm Quote: Evangelicals and catholics wouldn't use "God's will" since rape is not within God's will. You're no doubt right about Catholics anyway. Sorry about that. Charlie
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Reply #87 - Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 12:31am

Melissa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2008 at 3:12pm:

at ontheissues.org, it says this:

Praised by pro-life groups for keeping Down syndrome baby. (Aug 2008)
Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)

So...which is it??

Mel,

Aren't those all very consistent? Pro-life does not rule out pro-contraception. She sounds like she has a long record of being 'on the record' and being consistent. At least with her, you know who you're voting for (or against).

I like consistency. If I had to choose between Obama and, say... Charlie

I'd have to go with Charlie. I haven't seen Charlie ever waver from his views.

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FramCire wrote on Sep 1^st, 2008 at 6:34pm:

[quote author=745F56455B5E52370 link=1219796802/75#81 date=1220295272]
Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception but be OK with abortion in cases of rape?

Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception and then say ' Kill them all and let god sort them out" ?

That seems a little inconsistent to me, but I'm just a loony west coaster.

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Reply #89 - Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 12:51am

BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 12:38am:

FramCire wrote on Sep 1^st, 2008 at 6:34pm:

[quote author=745F56455B5E52370 link=1219796802/75#81 date=1220295272]
Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception but be OK with abortion in cases of rape?

Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception and then say ' Kill them all and let god sort them out" ?

That seems a little inconsistent to me, but I'm just a loony west coaster.

I honestly don't know a truly religious christian who says your quote about innocent children. Are there pro-life people saying to kill all children and let God sort them out?? That would be very inconsistent.

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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #91 - Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 1:37am Quote: Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception but be OK with abortion in cases of rape? I give up. I never wrote this.......unless it's part of a quote that I can't find. Charlie
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Charlie wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 1:37am:

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Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say life begins at conception but be OK with abortion in cases of rape?

I give up. I never wrote this.......unless it's part of a quote that I can't find.

Charlie

In your post there was a quote about the rape scenario. My comment was replying to that.

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It can be extremely difficult within this new forum to edit a post that has multiple quotations from other posters and get the proper things credited to the proper people.

When a quote is attributed to the wrong poster, I'd bet a dollar that the person doing the quoting isn't doing it maliciously.

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Reply #94 - Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 8:32am

For the first time in my life since I started voting, I think I'm going to have to sit this one out. There is not one candidate who I feel reflects my values and viewpoint.

And yes, Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. According to the news this morning, she is marrying her 18 year old boyfriend and they are going to live happily ever after (please note the sarcasm here).

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deltadarlin wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 8:32am:

For the first time in my life since I started voting, I think I'm going to have to sit this one out. There is not one candidate who I feel reflects my values and viewpoint.

And yes, Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. According to the news this morning, she is marrying her 18 year old boyfriend and they are going to live happily ever after (please note the sarcasm here).

I don't know if I have ever found a candidate (especially in a National election) who reflects my values and viewpoints. I have always voted based on who I thought would do a better job or in many cases who would do a less horrible job.

At least her daughter's pregnancy lays rest to the rumors that the Palin's youngest child was actually her daughter's kid. had that rumor been true, it would have been one heck of a hollywood type moment.

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Melissa wrote on Sep 1^st, 2008 at 12:12pm:

For those making comments on what Sarah Palin "thinks" about abortion, please direct me to a reliable source which states what she has said about it? I have yet to see anywhere that she is anti-abortion when it comes to rape, incest or threat of a womans health. Undecided

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"She would not seek out this issue. She feels like there are several other issues that are paramount to the future of the state," said Curtis Smith, spokesman for the Palin campaign.

Smith said Palin is opposed to abortion, but believes an exception should be made if the health of the mother is in danger.

That's the only exception Palin would make, though, Smith said.

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It can be extremely difficult within this new forum to edit a post that has multiple quotations from other posters and get the proper things credited to the proper people.

When a quote is attributed to the wrong poster, I'd bet a dollar that the person doing the quoting isn't doing it maliciously.

Yes, I've recently messed up a quote - the author now appears only as a hash string of random numbers, and when there are nested quotes, it is easy to mess up the quoting if trying to remove some stuff seen as irrelevant.

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BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 12:57am:

I havent heard it said about children. I hear it frequently regarding people who live in the middle east.

The phrase is a bastardization of an old order given by a Cistercian commander when the town of Beziers was put to the torch by the Catholic church for harboring Cathars. One soldier was asked how to tell the Cathars from the townsfolk, he was told "Kill them all, God will know his own."

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Brew Ex Member	Re: Liberal Free Speech Only Applies If You Agree With Reply #99 - Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 10:35am deltadarlin wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2008 at 8:32am: According to the news this morning, she is marrying her 18 year old boyfriend and they are going to live happily ever after (please note the sarcasm here). I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that this is impossible?
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