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Sep 2nd, 2008 at 11:26am
 
Alabama government ready to charge it's employees an extra $25 dollars in health care per month while, in my opinion, trying to fix a problem they created in the first place.

"There are folks walking around with diabetes and hypertension that don't even know it, and it's just a matter of time before something catastrophic happens to them," Ashmore said. "If we can get people to manage their health, we'll have healthier employees and less healthcare costs."

If AL were serious about finding solutions to the health care 'crisis' in governmental ranks they'd simply stop offering it to employees. Add the reduced expense to employee's salary and let them shop the free market for their own care.

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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:14pm
 
And what about all the employees that suddenly would be without coverage and unable to get coverage because the insurance companies considered them too big a risk? Seems like a few people would save $25, but others would be shafted.  

And those who did get coverage, but had exclusions for all their previous conditions?  "Mr. Smith, you had a heart attack a few years back, so we are going to exclude any and all coverage related to your heart ... but if you are lucky enough to get cancer or a stroke, you will be fully covered, as you have no history of that."

Doesn't sound like a solution to me.  And what's to stop private companies from charging people based on obesity?  Would it be less objectionable if private companies charged an extra $25 or $100 to overweight people that they thought were higher risks?



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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 1:58pm
 
Exactly the point Monty! Companies should charge people on their inherent risk whether it's smoking, eating, or anything else. Health care is not and should not be a 'right' but the responsibility of the individual.

Folks would compelled to take better care of themselves on the whole if there were personal responsibility (payment in this case) directly involved. With employer pool provided care those who take decent care of themselves are penalized by having a higher overall contribution to subsidize those who don't. Fine with me if you want to do whatever and put whatever in your body. Not fine with me if I'm forced to pay for someone else's decisions.

To really get in trouble with entitlement people I say ditto for school taxes. Person A has 3 kids all in government school and person B has none. Yet B has to pay 75% of his property tax bill in school taxes to subsidizes the decisions of A? What a long way we've come from individual freedom.

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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 3:57pm
 
Ok - I am for the idea of responsibility and financial sticks and carrots. But what about pre-existing conditions if we all strike out on our own as individuals? If all of us went out and sought insurance coverage on the 'free' market, some of would be denied coverage by every insurer and those of us who did get a policy would have cluster headaches and anything remotely related defined as a 'pre-existing' condition (not covered).  I wouldn't be surprised if apnea were excluded as it tends to occur with CH so often. Same might hold true of PFO heart problems. Sorry, Clusterheads, NO SOUP FOR YOU!

The health insurance market will never be an ideal, free market. No ease of entry, ease of exit. Imperfect information, especially on the part of the consumer. And the insurance companies hire armies of lawyers, analysts and drones who's purpose is to write loopholes in policies and deny people benefits and increase profits.  A completely de-regulated market would only make that situation worse. Eliminating employers pools would only make things worse.
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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 5:56pm
 
It's money and encouraged by the evil health insurance companies. They only want to insure the healthy.

Of what we think of as unfair taxes.....the school tax for all of us is probably the most sensible. It's healthier, safer, and more productive for the country to have good schools and it works. It may not seem that way of course.

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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 7:10pm
 
Good Point Charlie!

This goes much deeper than eating one to many cheeseburgers per week!

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Reply #6 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:50pm
 
Yeah, there are lots more pork barrels to trim than school taxes. I do not know about you but I would not want to live in a world where people didn't give thier kids any schooling.

Think of all the money for parks, boat ramps, baseball stadiums, football stadiums, Wal-Marts, oil company kickbacks, un-nessesary roads, surveys on how much a cow farts, "vouchers" to go to church, ice delivered to gov employees offices each day, 15 dollar screws that cost 15 cents, sending outdatd PCs to Costa Rica, WI's TWO govenor mansions - the list is gigantic.
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Reply #7 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 9:56pm
 
Oh yeah, there is this little thing that is falsely called a war around here that is sucking a record amount of money from the average tax payer.

The ironic thing is that in the past a war was GOOD for the economy and much in the past was made about the US entering wars just to bolster its economy. Now days our leaders can't even get that right.

Record number of tax dollars (creating a record deficent from a record surplus for the first time in history) not helping the average tax payer at all, who is probably looking at losing his job soon. Suspciously enough an oil company has recorded the ALL TIME RECORD PROFIT for ANY US COMPANY recently (and the earnings are less than they projected and they are dissapointed about it).

Each year the US wastes enough money to feed and provide every American with healthcare.
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