You hit that right on the head!  I felt the swelling of patriotism!  Good choice!

WooHoo!

Three of my favorite lines from Mrs. Palin's speech last night:
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Looks like ole Joe is so scared hes hitting the sauce....LOL  

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My fellow Americans:

As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.

I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.

I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively. And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.

Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement , but because I make people feel good.Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt. I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.

Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me.

Thank You.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

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And this puts Sarah in  a bad light... how?

She has a real family with real issues.  Just like families from California to Nebraska and North Carolina.

Her daughter made a bad choice... and is dealing with it straight up!
To drag her daughter into the debate on whether Sarah can govern is pathetic and weak.

Slammy

As a father who had 'The talk" with my 16 year old daughter after learning she was having sex with her boyfriend, I think I am in the majority of most fathers (if they have the guts to be real parents and talk straight up with their kids).  I didn't think it would change much but at least she knew I disapproved.
That daughter is now a 30 year old 5th grade science teacher.  She's married to a great guy and trying to have a family (had a miscarriage a couple of weeks ago).  She is, in my eyes, the perfect daughter.
I can see the Palin family feels the same of their daughter.  Does my heart good to see a family pull together in hard times.
Till last night I felt sorry for them, having a Down Syndrome baby.  Now I see how lucky that child is to have them as parents.


BTW - Rudy G had me rolling on the floor!

Welllll, in my opinion .... since I have two wonderful nephews who were conceived out of wedlock and I love dearly, I can't fault her for standing by her daughter (that's a family matter and families SHOULD stand by their children).

As to teaching abstinence - I'm FOR that one (it should be taught at home - sex ed should be taken OUT of schools totally as far as I'm concerned - put it back in the home and churches - but I"m from the OLD school where we KNEW BETTER!)

Now as far as being PTA president - I've done that and I have several well worn passports that have been around the world and I KNOW it's hard just talking to the "man on the street" in some countries much less the HEADS of those countries - and I sure don't think I'd be qualified (and I'm pretty confident in my abilities to take on about anything).

I think she's a nice lady and is probably a good governor from all the reports and she makes a great speech, but I think I'll wait and see how she does on the campaign trail before I draw any conclusions about her. Lipstick does wear off eventually....

Hugs BD

Lets get a few things straight.

1. My mother was 18 when I was born out of wedlock. I never met my biological father or him me.

2. Both of my kids, while born while I was married, were not planned.

3. It is not I that label having sex as a child and out-of-wedlock a mistake. I was speaking the line of the religious-right, (whichI I am opposed to) to which Sarah belongs to. I myself have had plenty of underage sex out of wedlock.

Mel, I never said the children were mistakes themselves. I can assure you I am the same as you with how I feel toward both of my unplanned children. And you were not legally a child yourself, you were an adult when you made the choice to have sex. And your mother (as far as I know) wasn't part of the relgious-right preaching that abstinence is the best policy to combat teenage unplanned pregnancy.

That being said there isn't a single person alive that can convince me that the religious-right doesn't consider a high school student getting pregnant out-of-wedlock a "mistake". Isn't their message people should not have sex at all until they are married? Much less should kids in school be having sex? If one does these things they "shouldn't" isn't that then deemed a "mistake" or "sin" in their eyes?

So the message is, that when inner-city people get pregnant as children, out of wedlock, it is one of societies big problems. Then come the "Where the hell are the parents?" and "When we do not teach about God in school look at what happens" cries. BUT when someone of means who is pretty and a candidate has a daughter who is underage and pregnant it can only be a sign of goodness and strength.

Reminds me of the Rush hypocracy. For years talk tough on throwing young men who smoke pot in jail and "throw away the key". Then he get busted for one of the most insideious drug crimes (illegal pharms are Russian Mob interest - for sure Rush funded the murder and torture of other humans), and then come the cries for prayers and healing for his "sickness".

As most studies show, the time her daughter got pregnant probably wasn't the first time she made the "mistake" (occording to the RR) of having sex out of wedlock, and there probably was some sort of drugs involved studies would show as well.

If Sarah cannot get her immediate family to follow the party line example, how can I think she can get people 'just like me" (you know, the ones with only one house, a mortgage, and fear of losing their lob in the private sector) in the rest of America to do so?

Hypocrit I say.

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From what I gather, this religious right you're talking about, is saying that only abstinence should be taught IN SCHOOL.  Isn't that what this is about?  What should, or should not, be deemed normal school curriculum??

I vote for parental education instead!!!

Melissa wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 12:49pm:


No, the issue of abstinence-only education is not what it is all about. That is less pressing of an issue compared to trying to criminalize abortion in case of rape. 

I think it does make sense to have a medical discussion of conception, contraception, STDs, and other issues in health education classes when kids hit puberty.  Having an effective sex education program is the best way to reduce venereal disease, unwanted pregnancies and abortions. 

You are right that family attitudes, community attitudes, and other things play a role. No classroom curriculum can get close to 100% effective.  But I think the evidence is that a good sex ed curriculum can make a difference over no sex-ed or a curriculum that seeks to advance particular ideologies.   

Sexual behavior is something that 99.9% of people engage in. It has health consequences. As you pointed out, many parents do a poor job with it, as there is the comfort factor.  It should be covered in school, just as we cover the issues related to nutrition, drug use, and other health issues. I think that every parent should teach their kids about the dangers of dealing with strangers on the internet, but I think schools need to do that too. Don't you?

I do think this is one of societies biggest problems.

Just because school doesn't teach them about these issues doesn't mean parents will. There are lots of stuff school teaches that people can agree and disagree about. How come it is only the issues the religious right gets on that become hot-button issues?

You still are correct Mel, (and I am sorry my post offeneded you, I hope you see that was not my intent but highlighting hypocracy was) it is ultimatly the people involved responsibility.

But also a big line of the RR is "personal accountability". Why should our tax money be used to teach these things you asked. Because it is our tax money that will help pay for Sarah's grand-daughter when her daughter files for government assitance.

No republican will complain when that happens but I bet if it was a dem they would re-raise the "kill all welfare" shouts.

I just cannot stand hypocracy. If you have a point fine. At least have thge integrity to live with it if event turn out that you wrong or it goes against you in some unforseen future.

Again if this women is so awesome as people are saying, and she could not make her Party's line work in her own house, what chance does someone who isn't so awesome (i.e. the average american). These people of privialge have all the chances and advantages that most of us do not and she still failed to live the line her people preach. And for that we are supposed to be in awe of her?

And the family thing? Please - ask Chelsey Clinton if they laid off of her. This women's failure in her own house lends directly to her ability to lead our country and is fair game. If she is going ot stand up there and bring up the kid to help show the side she wants to see than it is fair to bring up contrary points - is it not? She opened the dorr..... So far all I see is "do as I say not as I do".

Mel, I'm a generation ahead of you. Back in MY day, we didn't have sex education in schools. My parents (mom) explained what I needed to know (we had dogs) and I explained it to my friends who's parents didn't have "the talk" with them.

But we had something known as "peer pressure". Getting pregnant (and I'm not saying that sex didn't happen between teens back in those days) was just something that was an all out "no no". It was a "stigma" that went thru your whole family. I've been out of high school almost 50 years and I can still name about every girl who got pregnant while I was there. There just weren't that many.

I'm saying that we tell kids way to much in schools. On one hand we're telling them "don't do this" and on the other hand we're giving them condoms and telling them to be careful if they do. We're sending mixed messages. And parents don't object to this.

And yes, I brought my son up in a "different" world than I grew up in and I did have the "talk" with him and I never said anything when condoms were on my grocery bill (he usually did the grocery run after he got his drivers license), but I never "approved" and he knew it.

So while people can scoff at the "old days" and old fashioned ideas - they did have some merit in my opinion. But as I said before I have two very "special" nephews who were born out of wedlock and I'd take on anyone who said a damn word about their births or about their mothers.

Hugs BD