LMAO. Yeah I could also guess peoples weight or age or some other thing that isn't a sensative issue 

On a serious note, I may not vote at all this year. I am tiring of the same old circus acts and expection that I buy into over-exaggerated claims of the next 4 years being Nervana (ooops, Heaven - sorry Sarah!) by everyone that has a mic stuff in front of them.

I'd like one of them to say "ok, stop me if you've heard this one before".......

I really want a third party to be a valid choice but I fear even if one got elected the 2 parties would just suddenly have lots of agreements and clam up and nothing would get done for 4 years, all the while the terrorist stay busy.......

I HATE the fear. Nothing good comes from it but it is so hard to ignore now that I got kids.

I guess a good start would be a candidate who was honest. Even if they had to admit they did some bad shit or something. Until we get one who is honest does it really matter what they say in any pre-election speech?

I do appreaciate your encouragement to not waste my vote thou - i know it is something lots of other people wish they had. I am just so tired of all the BS though....

superhawk2300 wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 9:51pm:


You!

Get a ticket....QUICK!  

Hawk dude, I know good folk when I read them, I aint letting good folk go down to a few jerkoffs because they didnt like what someone has to say about a certain subject.

Ive been here long enough to know how needs to be weeded out, and you sir, are a stand up guy with a brain far bigger than mine....LOL

Now tell the folks what that means.....LMAO  

In other words....I love ya and cant wait to meet ya!

This is a great thread.  The doors have been unlocked for an open discussion of a myriad of topics ranging from Sarah Palin, teenage pregnancy, war on terror, who ya gonna vote for, and on. 

Open discussion on any topic is good discussion.

For the record, I am a registered "Unaffiliated" voter - don't particularly like either party - we need a strong third party.

That being said:

IMHO - I thought Sarah Palin did a fantastic job with her speech.  Given the same old DC garbage, she was definitely a breath of fresh air, and will invigorate McCain's bid for the White House.  However, she is way too conservative for my liking.

I'm not Pro-life, nor Pro-abortion.  I am Pro-Choice.  Superhawk's first post also offended me, especially about the daughter needing to buy condoms.  How about her boyfriend?  Where is his responsibility in this situation?  But in reading through the thread, I thank him for clarifying his intent. 

I was born in 1946.  My mother taught me nothing about sex, urges, menstruation, birth control - nothing.  I learned from my peers and was very fortunate that I did not end up pregnant as a teen.  From the day of their births, I made a promise to myself that my daughters were going to armed with knowledge about their God given sexuality, and armed with the TRUTH.....that they WILL have those hormonal urges.....that the boys WILL also have those urges, and that things WILL possibly happen. 

When as toddlers they asked "Mom, what's that?" while pointing to Daddy's "appendage".  I told them it was a penis and that's where Daddy urinated (no cutesy names for body parts - the real thing).  At that time, that's all the information they needed.  Later on, when they inquired, they learned that Daddy's appendage was used for something else, and I told them how it was used.  I also taught my daughters that the only way to avoid pregnancy and STD's was abstinence.  I found a fantastic book for girls that described everything - nothing left out including masturbation, homosexuality, even beastuality - read it first, then gave it to them around the age of 13 to read.  Ask away, I said.

My daughters knew that no question, no topic, no confession was off limits to me and that I would answer every single question they had truthfully, without recriminations.  If I didn't know the answer, we would look it up together.  When in high school, both of them came to me telling me that they were sorry, but they were becoming sexually active.  As promised - no recriminations, and also as promised, I took them to the gynocoligist and they went on birth control pills.  I also bought them their first box of condoms and made them promise that their boyfriends would put them on.  Their father was not thrilled about this, but I was adamant - they were armed with knowledge, and with the necessary tools.

They are both in their 30's, happily married, with baby daughters of their own. 

I'm a realist.  Sarah Palin is not a bad mother.  She is the mother of a normal teenage daughter who has normal sexuality, and who was not given all the information she needed.  Sarah is just not a realist.

Sex ed in schools - absolutely yes all of it.  First teach them they are normal sexual beings and that they will experience feelings that they will have great difficulty in controlling.  Then teach them abstinence as first choice, but when that fails them, teach them protection to the utmost.

Sandy

Sandy.

Wow. You rocked the house! Most excellent!

And thanks for your honsest assesment of my post and for seeing the true intent behind my crude and clumbsy writing.

And thanks for bringing up the boyfriend part. As I man I agree the responsibilty is up to everyone involved. I also think there is a *tad* more responsibilty on the females part, due to the fact that they will carry the child and they alone get the final say if an abortion is something they will or won't do. For the man it can be boiled down to "can I afford 17% of my paycheck to be docked if this goes all the way bad? (bad being I no longer want to be with the female who got accidentally pregnant with my child)". I'm not saying it is fair, only the bottom line way it is in America, right now.

And for the record, so people don't freak about me using the word "bad" to describe the above situation; I've never heard anyone who got someone accidentally pregnant, that they did not want to be with, describe the situation on any level as positive or something they would have purposly chose (hense the "accidental" part).

Again, with the point being Palin a hypocrit or someone who cannot admit they are wrong and being a candidate for VP, the boyfriend thing is unrelatd to me for those specific points. In everyday life of course he has just as much part in it.

For the record when me and my wife got pregnant the 2nd unplanned time I blamed myself and not her. I put having my "agmentation" surgery on hold just too long I guess.....

deltadarlin wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 12:47pm:


And that means what?

What does it mean?  If that had happened to me, I would have made damned sure that my daughter wouldn't end up in the same situation.
If she taught her daughter about abstsining, did she also teach her daughter about birth control?   It's fine and it's a good idea to tell kids to wait until marriage, but it's not being realistic.  Yes, there are those who take vows of purity and keep them, but they're in the minority.

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She is not a born again Christian (and to be quite honest, that's a term I thoroughly despise).  She joined the Wasilla Assembly of God while she was still in junior high school and was a member there until 20002 when she joined another non-denominational Evangelical church.  She still attends meetings and conferences at the Wasilla Assembly of God.

Sandy,
That's what bothers me, I don't know if she can put aside her religious beliefs.   How can one seperate their core beliefs from themselves?

I guess it may be semantics but her mother taught her that abstinence was the only acceptable method of birth control and Sarah had pre-marital sex and had gotten pregnant without wanting to be pregnant.

Now that she is pushing that on the public it is “do what I say, not what I do or did." Instead of leading by example she is leading by empty words. Words she wants to apply to everyone but her and hers. To me, (and maybe it is just me) this is hypocritical. I am terrible with being told what to do by someone who wouldn’t do it for themselves, especially when they are proven incorrect. I think most people have a problem with this. It send the message that they are better than the rest of us, and the rules they make do not apply to them, but only to us poor stupid peasants.

Now history repeats itself with the family as it most often does. Seems like the “hard headed” syndrome. If this is the policy she is going to put in place, be prepared for a huge increase in teenage girls having unplanned pregnancies, at tax-payer expense.

Not exactly what I call great leadership.

And this is someone who God talks to? Again if she, as a woman of considerable means, living the American Dream, and apparently with Heavenly insight cannot execute her and her party’s beliefs to success, how will the impoverished, single mother who works 2 minimum wage jobs fare?

I am not as forgiving about the present / past comparison either. I’d hope as a middle-age married women she wouldn’t be having kids out of wedlock, so it is pretty giving to be granting her credit for that (currently practicing her beliefs or whatever).

I’d like to know how many of her children she planned and how many came “by mistake” (again, for lack of a better term only, please).

Rolo,

That's not the point. Those of us who have either had unplanned children or have children who have are not running for VP and insisting our method is the only one that should be taught.

No one here is saying abstinence shouldn't be taught. No one is saying that by teaching kids about condoms that will make them not get pregnant 100% of the time either. The issue is should these things be taught in schools and which ones. Palin wants ONLY abstinence taught in schools as the ONLY method of birth control (since it worked so well for her family, twice )

I say nothing is wrong about teaching EVERY METHOD of birth control. Teaching about somthing isn't an endorsment to use it. Teach them EVERYTHING on a fact basis. It always was and still is up to the parents to decide what values to instill in their kids.

And ultimatly in the end the child will do all the deciding anyways, which is a good reason to arm them with knowlegde of all the possible choices. Who knows how many kids plan on abstaining until a situation arises and they are no longer abstain. Maybe if they learned about other methods they would feel more confident about insisting on them at that crucial moment when it is clear they are no longer going to abstain.

I’m just going to put it out there. I have a 18 year old daughter with trisomy 23 (downs syndrome) and I applaud Sara Palin for her fortitude in bringing her Trig to fruition!

Roland.

deltadarlin wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 9:42pm:


I'm not picken darlin but "If I had an unplanned pregnancy early on, I would want my daughter to be armed with the information that she needed to possibly prevent the situation from happening" is a conflicting statement.



BTW; the guy/gal who can stop the mosquitoes form breeding will get my vote!