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DNC Trashes US flags at Invesco field!
Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:43pm
 
Fresh out on the news is a story about the DNC throwing out US flags (in the trash I think) at invesco field after Obama’s speech.

If this proves to be true it will really show the country how they (the DNC) respect the principals of the people, and they want to represent YOU!

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Did that piss you off as much as when the Republicans trashed the flag?

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BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:54pm:
Did that piss you off as much as when the Republicans trashed the flag?



I am not aware of the incident you speak of but my answer would be yes! Anyone who disses my flag or country pisses me off....
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 1:22pm
 
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BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:54pm:
Did that piss you off as much as when the Republicans trashed the flag?



I am not aware of the incident you speak of but my answer would be yes! Anyone who disses my flag or country pisses me off....


It's that damn left wing media!!

Here's one of the President stepping on our flag in memory of the victims of 911:

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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
$, is that a joke or what? You'r gona post a pic of a F'n rug?
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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 1:49pm
 
Its not a rug, its a door mat.....you know, the things that are meant to be stepped on.....LMAO!  Grin
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B$, this is me putting my money where my mouth is!

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I guess I'm a contributer now. Smiley
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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:12pm
 
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$, is that a joke or what? You'r gona post a pic of a F'n rug?


Stepping on the flag is not desecration?

In my opinion, stepping on it or defacing it is the just about the worst thing you can do to a flag.  

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Its not a rug, its a door mat.....you know, the things that are meant to be stepped on.....LMAO!  

Exactly, Jonny.  He is using the memory of 9/11 and the American flag to wipe his feet.


Hey, Rolo, what did you contribute to?




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Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:14pm
 
Reportedly after the conventions, the Democrats threw out thousands of paper flags, while the Republicans recycled thousands of paper flags. Big Fucking Deal, unless you are an extreme environmentalist.

Oh, I noticed that McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin on TV the other day ... haven't you wing-nuts established that as proof of being anti-American? 
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Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:18pm
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:12pm:
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$, is that a joke or what? You'r gona post a pic of a F'n rug?


Stepping on the flag is not desecration?

In my opinion, stepping on it or defacing it is the just about the worst thing you can do to a flag.  

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Its not a rug, its a door mat.....you know, the things that are meant to be stepped on.....LMAO!  

Exactly, Jonny.  He is using the memory of 9/11 and the American flag to wipe his feet.


Hey, Rolo, what did you contribute to?



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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:21pm
 
monty wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:14pm:
Reportedly after the conventions, the Democrats threw out thousands of paper flags, while the Republicans recycled thousands of paper flags. Big Fucking Deal, unless you are an extreme environmentalist.

Oh, I noticed that McCain wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin on TV the other day ... haven't you wing-nuts established that as proof of being anti-American?  


Thats fine monty but what does it say to the rest of the world when they see the pic of the flags in the dumpster!

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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:29pm
 
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Thats fine monty but what does it say to the rest of the world when they see the pic of the flags in the dumpster!

Roland. Roll Eyes


Good question - why are they Republicans so eager to show those pictures to the world?  How many people never would have thought about this if you didn't post?  Aren't you trying to use bogus patriotism issues as a political weapon?





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Good question - why are they Republicans so eager to show those pictures to the world?  How many people never would have thought about this if you didn't post?  Aren't you trying to use bogus patriotism issues as a political weapon?







Not at all, I just don’t like the dissenters riding on the coat tails of patriots who gave them a right to free speech!
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Reply #13 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:46pm
 
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Not at all, I just don’t like the dissenters riding on the coat tails of patriots who gave them a right to free speech!


First, your attempts at characterizing one party as patriotic and the other as unpatriotic is transparently partisan and pathetic.

Second, the right to free speech was not given or granted to me by anyone - it is an inalienable right. If someone took risk or made a sacrifice to protect that right, I am grateful. But no party gave me that right, and Americans of all shapes, sizes and colors have worked to keep Americans free.
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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:49pm
 
Would Barak Obama campaign organizers be a better descriptor for you indulgence? Wink

PS; Monte, if you don’t know how blessed you are to be a us citizen, then you belong with the rest of the lemmings! Huh
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Roll Eyesmonty wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:46pm:
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Not at all, I just don’t like the dissenters riding on the coat tails of patriots who gave them a right to free speech!


Second, the right to free speech was not given or granted to me by anyone - it is an inalienable right.  


Tell that to a soldier that had his legs blown off!
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Reply #16 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 4:22pm
 
monty wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:46pm:
[quote author=447572646E616E6263070 link=1220719386/0#12 date=1220729826]

Second, the right to free speech was not given or granted to me by anyone - it is an inalienable right. If someone took risk or made a sacrifice to protect that right, I am grateful. But no party gave me that right, and Americans of all shapes, sizes and colors have worked to keep Americans free.


Ah yes, free speech. I remember that. Didn't that stuff end back in the 60s?

The following was written after that RNC in 2008, not the DNC in 1968....

Lockdown in St. Paul


Adam Turl describes the police-state tactics used to squelch dissent
in Minneapolis and St. Paul during the Republican National Convention.

September 5, 2008

THERE WAS a criminal conspiracy engulfing Minnesota's Twin Cities
during the Republican National Convention (RNC)--but it didn't involve
masked anarchists, as mainstream media outlets warned.

The real conspiracy was a plot by 30 federal, state and local law
enforcement agencies to repress dissent and protests under the rubric
of "national security" and the "war on terror."

The repression caught in its wake antiwar protesters,
environmentalists, pacifists, anarchists, socialists and reporters--in
short, anyone who might show (or report on) signs of dissent against a
government waging two barbaric wars while it can't even provide health care to its own people.

As of the late afternoon before John McCain's convention speech
September 4, at least 320 people had been arrested in the previous
five days--on the street or in police raids. At least 16 of them faced
felony charges, and 47 others faced serious "gross misdemeanor"
charges. Other reports put the number of felony arrests as high as
120--at least five of them involving minors.

As of September 3, many of those arrested remained in jail, held
illegally beyond Minnesota's 36-hour limit on detention without formal
charges. Reportedly, many prisoners hadn't been allowed to meet with
lawyers or make phone calls--and some prisoners were said to be
holding a hunger strike in protest.

Outrageously, eight people have been charged with "second-degree
furtherance of terrorism," "conspiracy to riot" and "commit civil
disorder." Not one of them was charged with any actual act of violence
or property damage.

Government documents show that their organization, the RNC "Welcoming
Committee," along with other activist groups, had been
investigated- -and infiltrated- -over at least the past year, with the
help of the FBI and FBI-led Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force.

As Indymedia observed: "Based on past abuses of such informants by law
enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police
informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence,
and to also act as provocateurs in raising, and urging support for,
acts of violence."

Despite flimsy or nonexistent evidence, over the Labor Day weekend,
several homes and activist meeting centers were raided. Computers,
cell-phones, e-mails, political pamphlets and protest plans seized,
and dozens of people were arrested.

These first raids occurred before any protests had even been held in
the Twin Cities. As Glenn Greenwald observed on Salon.com:

"Just review what happened yesterday and today. Homes of college-age
protesters were raided by rifle-wielding police forces. Journalists
were forcibly detained at gunpoint. Lawyers on the scene to represent
the detainees were handcuffed. Computers, laptops, journals, diaries,
and political pamphlets were seized from people's homes. And all of
this occurred against U.S. citizens without a single act of violence
having taken place, and nothing more than traffic blockage even
alleged by authorities to have been planned."

Bruce Nestor of the Minnesota chapter of the National Lawyers Guild
noted that "conspiracy to riot was the charge used against the Chicago
Eight in 1968 as part of a politically motivated prosecution. ..These
charges are an effort to equate publicly stated plans to blockade
traffic and disrupt the RNC as being the same as acts of terrorism.
This both trivializes real violence and attempts to place the stated
political views of the defendants on trial."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

THE RED herring of "terrorism" was used as a cover for rampant
violations of activists' civil liberties--beginnin g with the
"pre-emptive" arrests, raids and harassment prior to the protests.

For example, police in the Twin Cities impounded a bus owned by the
family of Delyla and Stan Wilson for "safety violations" after pulling
them over on Interstate 94--prior to the large Labor Day march on the
Xcel Center, the site of the convention.

Police began tailing the Wilson family--who were leading a
demonstration in favor of sustainable gardening, recycling and water
conservation- -after deciding that their gardening and environmental
tools could be used as weapons. Responding to accusations that the
police took the Wilsons' bus to stifle dissent, police Sgt. William
Palmer said the family was "free to go to the protests," but they
"just can't drive this bus to get there."

Another group of activists from the organization Earth Justice were
detained on their way to the protests, and their bus seized by police.
And on August 31, police tailed and then detained activists who had
been attending the Veterans for Peace (VFP) conference at the Ramada Inn in Bloomington, just outside the Twin Cities.

Law enforcement personnel also surrounded a house where members of Eyewitness-- a group that had successfully fought unjust arrests from the Republican convention in New York City in 2004--were staying.

Police escalated their tactics from harassment to outright brutality
during largely nonviolent direct action protests on Labor Day.

When protesters tried to block traffic leading into the Xcel Center,
the cops attacked protesters with chemicals and projectiles. According
to the Coldsnap Legal Collective, "With no provocation, police have
indiscriminately used rubber bullets, concussion grenades, and
chemical irritants to disperse crowds and incapacitate protesters."

A Coldsnap spokesperson told reporters that prisoners were denied
medical treatment as punishment, including one arrestee with
hemophilia, another with asthma and yet another with a broken finger.

According to the Wall Street Journal, police responded to protests
with "pepper spray, tear gas, smoke canisters and what they call
'distraction devices' that give a loud bang and a flash of light..." A
member of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) who witnessed some of the violent police attacks told reporters that police were "treating [U.S.] civilians like you would Iraqis."

Parts of the city did seem to be occupied by an army. According to the
New York Times, as "the protests grew, scores of National Guard troops in riot gear and gas masks fanned out around" the Xcel Center, while "[p]olice helicopters buzzed over St. Paul...Humvees painted in
fatigue green ferried water to police officers...and city dump trucks
were used to block traffic on some streets."

The Times reported that Jerah Plucker, a documentary filmmaker, was
swept up by police--along with several others--while listening to
music in a park along the Mississippi River. "Over the loudspeaker
[the police] are saying, 'You are being arrested.'" Plucker told
reporters. "They're telling us, 'Sit down, put your hands on your head."

Many others--both protesters and bystanders-- had similar experiences. A 17-year-old youth was arrested trying to get into a concert on Monday on Harriet Island. He was soon released, but not before his photo was broadcast on television identifying him as an "anarchist" bent on "disrupting the convention."

Dylan Asplen was charged with "felony riot"--and spoke to his mother
on the phone from jail. His mother, Annette told reporters that they
"arrested him for walking down the street. He said he didn't do
anything. I am so mad, you have no idea...It's a police state."

Keith Smith, a teenager from Menomonie, Wis., told reporters he was
beaten by police and then released without any medical treatment.
Minnesota Public Radio (MPR) reported that, "sitting in his home in
Menomonie, he lifted his shirt and displayed what appears to be a boot
print on his right shoulder... He also has scrapes on his arms, chest
and hip."

Anita Betancourt, speaking outside the Ramsey County Law Enforcement Center days after Monday's arrests, told MPR she was waiting for her 19-year old daughter, who had been in the Twin Cities to protest the war and convention because her brother was serving in Iraq.

As MPR reported, Betancourt's daughter told her mother in a phone call that "the police just shot her and arrested her, and she was just
standing there. She told Betancourt that everything-- all of a
sudden--was just chaos all around her. They started pushing and
shooting people, and the gas and pepper spray and all that stuff."

Attorney Matthew Ludt--who has represented some of arrestees--told MPR that "not only were they trying to keep demonstrators, protesters,
people who want to get their message across off the streets...they
swept up everybody else, which was bystanders as well as journalists. "

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

REPORTERS APPEAR to have been systematically targeted by law
enforcement during the protests. Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman was arrested and physically assaulted September 1 and charged with obstruction of a peace officer, as were DN! producers Sharif Kouddous and Nicole Salazar.

Kouddous and Salazar were reporting on one of the protests against the convention. Goodman was then arrested for the "crime" of asking after her wrongfully arrested colleagues. According to an emergency alert from DN!:

"During the demonstration in which the Democracy Now! team was
arrested, law enforcement officers used pepper spray, rubber bullets,
concussion grenades and excessive force against protesters and
journalists. Several demonstrators were arrested during this action,
as was a photographer from the Associated Press."

Other independent journalists were also arrested, including
Chicago-based freelance reporter Nathan Weber, who was thrown to the ground and received blows to the back of his head. Four journalists
from a student newspaper in Kentucky were detained as well. The
student-journalists were charged with rioting while covering Monday's
protests. Like Weber and the DN! producers, the Kentucky students
showed their media credentials- -but were arrested anyway. One was
still in jail as of September 3.

The escalating repression and arrests continued for the rest of the
week. This included hundreds of riot cops in full gear lining the
streets of the permitted Poor People's March September 2 to try to
intimidate the marchers.

On September 3, following a Rage Against the Machine concert at the
Target Center, 102 people were arrested for the "crime" of marching
through the streets and chanting about "democracy." According to
reports, police fired "two rounds from what appeared to be either a
beanbag or a pellet gun" and pepper-sprayed people as they left the
concert.

Even before the concert began--at around 7 p.m.--an activist
campaigning for presidential candidate Ralph Nader was arrested
outside the Target Center. His crime? Informing people about an
upcoming Nader campaign rally.

The point of the raids--and the repression since--is clearly to
intimidate radicals and progressives. But the issues that led
thousands to protest the Republican convention in the Twin Cities--as
well as the Democratic National Convention in Denver--aren' t going
away. Nor are the growing expectations that something must be done to address these injustices.

If we are to continue organizing and speaking out, we must stand
behind all the victims of this police conspiracy to stifle dissent.

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I especially appreciate the government stopping those damned gardeners before they got to the convention. Thanks to the patriot act, we can keep these sure terrorists out of our political process.

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Reply #17 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 4:26pm
 
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$, is that a joke or what? You'r gona post a pic of a F'n rug?


Stepping on the flag is not desecration?

In my opinion, stepping on it or defacing it is the just about the worst thing you can do to a flag.  

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Its not a rug, its a door mat.....you know, the things that are meant to be stepped on.....LMAO!  

Exactly, Jonny.  He is using the memory of 9/11 and the American flag to wipe his feet.


Hey, Rolo, what did you contribute to?



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PinkFloyd, We don't care what your point is when your throwing bottles and being unruly in Minnesota. Your ass is going to jail!

That’s just the way it is.

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PinkFloyd, We don't care what your point is when your throwing bottles and being unruly in Minnesota. Your ass is going to jail!

That’s just the way it is.

Rolo.. Wink


Yeah, I can understand. I'm sure those gardeners, waving their watering buckets and shouting "up with lettuce" was a very frightening experience for the good folks of Mn.

My point was that it would be nice if the respect for the people and the rights that a flag represents, was as important to everyone, as the flag itself.
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Pinkfloyd wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 5:01pm:
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PinkFloyd, We don't care what your point is when your throwing bottles and being unruly in Minnesota. Your ass is going to jail!

That’s just the way it is.

Rolo.. Wink


Yeah, I can understand. I'm sure those gardeners, waving their watering buckets and shouting "up with lettuce" was a very frightening experience for the good folks of Mn.

My point was that it would be nice if the respect for the people and the rights that a flag represents, was as important to everyone, as the flag itself.
Sad

Bobw


And I totally agree with what you say! I did not go down to the convention nor did I want to. There may have been issues not covered by the local news because they did not want to besmirch the local constituents.

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Pinkfloyd wrote on Sep 6th, 2008 at 5:01pm:
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PinkFloyd, We don't care what your point is when your throwing bottles and being unruly in Minnesota. Your ass is going to jail!

That’s just the way it is.

Rolo.. Wink


Yeah, I can understand. I'm sure those gardeners, waving their watering buckets and shouting "up with lettuce" was a very frightening experience for the good folks of Mn.

My point was that it would be nice if the respect for the people and the rights that a flag represents, was as important to everyone, as the flag itself.
Sad

Bobw


Let me be the one.....Are they legal or invaders of this country?.....the  lettuce pickers I mean......huh?
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Reply #22 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 1:08am
 
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[Let me be the one.....Are they legal or invaders of this country?.....the  lettuce pickers I mean......huh?


If I had said, a bunch of welders, shouting "up with acetylene" would you have asked that question?

It really depends on who said "up with lettuce" as to whether or not you have a problem?
<geeesh>

Don't worry jonny. It was a bunch of good American citizens that were there to promote sustainable gardening. Wanting to teach people how to grow their own food on small plots of land.
Something that we all might need to do if this economy continues to beat up everyone without a 50k limit on their American Express card.

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Reply #23 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 2:03am
 
AWESOME!!! An argument about a bunch of paper flags in the trash in a country where you have the right to burn the U.S. flag.  Really!!!  Are we even sure it was a "certain party" throwing the flags away, or was it maybe the staff at the facility of "the party" doing the awful deed? 

Although, it nice to see petty finger pointing is still alive and kicking, it would not be an election year with out it.  Keep up the good work Jonny... Huh
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