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Reply #50 - Sep 9th, 2008 at 6:59pm
 
I read through some of them Jonny, and unfortunately, ran into major lies (that I know for a fact weren't true), so, it makes me wonder how many more of them are false (not that it matters, I'm not voting for Obama anyway).
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Reply #51 - Sep 9th, 2008 at 7:54pm
 
I guess the reason I respect our flag is that people have the right to burn it or discard it.  They can wear it or tattoo it.  They can put in on a cake, cut into it and eat it and they can put it on a doormat and walk all over it.

I guess our flag is great in my mind BECAUSE we can do all those things and we don't think that our flag IS WHAT IS GREAT, it is a symbol of what is great.

OK, with that said... burning the flag always seems quite ironic.  The freedom you are expressing by burning it is exactly what the flag stands for.  In a way, you show the greatness of the symbol by trying to destroy it.

Anyhow........ back to the debate on politics where you can vote for a young guy with so little experience or a really old guy who might leave a person in charge with even less experience.

BTW, I agree with the comment that 2000 McCain wouldn't WANT to vote for 2008 McCain, but he would.  I feel very much in line with 2000 McCain, which leaves me voting AGAIN for the greater of 2 lessors.

BTW, if I voted just on ads, I would vote for Obama.  His ad with the Bush/McCain hug is hilarious.

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Reply #52 - Sep 9th, 2008 at 8:07pm
 
FramCire wrote on Sep 9th, 2008 at 7:54pm:
back to the debate on politics where you can vote for a young guy with so little experience or a really old guy who might leave a person in charge with even less experience.


Can you tell me how much executive experience Obama has? Wink
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back to the debate on politics where you can vote for a young guy with so little experience or a really old guy who might leave a person in charge with even less experience.


Can you tell me how much executive experience Obama has? Wink


I was referring to Washington experience.  Honestly, as much as I like Palin, I have no idea why McCain thinks she is the right person for the VP job.  It seems more like a political move to court younger voters and women voters than it is picking a person READY for the job.

On the other hand, I don't think Obama is right for the job either.  That is the point behind my comment and at least Obama picked a person with experience to help him while McCain didn't pick a person ready to be President (Mccain is 70+ so this matters).  If you wish to nitpick whether Palins time as governor of Alaska is technically more experience than Obama..... go right ahead.  Winning that point wont win a single vote for either side and is of little consequence when realizing that McCain picked a VERY POOR choice for VP.

In the end I hope McCain's pick of Palin doesn't lose this election for him.  A safer pick and I would bet you McCain would have won easily.

I have been a McCain fan for many years and this turn of events is quite puzzling.
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Reply #54 - Sep 9th, 2008 at 8:53pm
 
I think we can agree that its pretty bad when the top of the ticket on one side has less executive experience than the bottom of the ticket on the other side.

Palin was the best choice, watch and see.  Wink
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Hmm.

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Reply #56 - Sep 10th, 2008 at 5:48am
 
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Can you tell me how much executive experience Obama has? Wink


Yes, We can! His experience in the Illinois Legislature and the Congress is the same as some guy who ran for President in 1860 - Abraham Lincoln.  Funny how the Republicans forget about that, since Lincoln was a Republican ... more proof that Republicans are no longer the party of Lincoln.

Why is it that 'Executive Experience' is such a mantra for Republicans?  Didn't Bush have lots of it?  He was an executive at an oil company, executed a baseball team, and was governor ... did that make W. a great President, or what??

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Hmm.


Of course they don't want to say much about Palin's ties to the Alaska Independence Party, which wants to secede from the United States of America ... that doesn't play well in Peoria. It's part of the anti-government land envy thing going on in Alaska - plenty of people there think they should own lands the federal government bought from Russia, just because they live nearby. That isn't how the whole concept of 'property' works ... you can't just go out and grab something that belongs to others.


It was only two months ago that Palin said:

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"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?


Forget experience, we are talking about some other type of amazing skills if she can go from not even knowing what the Vice President of the U.S.A. does, to being qualified to be one, in a matter of weeks!  
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Reply #57 - Sep 10th, 2008 at 8:36am
 
IMHO (and others also), Sarah Palin was chosen for two simple reasons, (1) She is female (for some reason, McCain thought that he could pull Hillary supporters with her) and (2) He gains the evangelical vote by choosing her.
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Reply #58 - Sep 10th, 2008 at 8:46am
 
Who or what is DNC?

Sorry if this seems a stupid question, but remember I'm not an American.

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Democratic National Committee

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Reply #60 - Sep 10th, 2008 at 10:57am
 
Senator Obama said this morning, quote “spare me the phony talk about change”.

I am assuming that he is just not hearing what he is saying! Grin
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Reply #61 - Sep 10th, 2008 at 12:16pm
 
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IMHO (and others also), Sarah Palin was chosen for two simple reasons, (1) She is female (for some reason, McCain thought that he could pull Hillary supporters with her) and (2) He gains the evangelical vote by choosing her.


Great Barb

And.............

After ranting that Obama is merely a celebrity like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, it turns out that McCain & Co. wanted an Obama of its own. Now that they have Palin, they’ve stopped arguing that celebrity is bad. All they do is worship at her cult of celebrity. As Rick Davis, a top McCain adviser, said: “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

Why put out a press release about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy and then spend the next few days attacking the press for covering that press release?

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., will she call the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation and ask them to pray on a response, as she asked them to pray for a natural gas pipeline?

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Reply #62 - Sep 10th, 2008 at 9:13pm
 
Yeah baby, to go this far you know he is panicing....LMAO!  Smiley

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Reply #63 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 8:50am
 
Charlie wrote on Sep 10th, 2008 at 12:16pm:
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IMHO (and others also), Sarah Palin was chosen for two simple reasons, (1) She is female (for some reason, McCain thought that he could pull Hillary supporters with her) and (2) He gains the evangelical vote by choosing her.


Great Barb

And.............

After ranting that Obama is merely a celebrity like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, it turns out that McCain & Co. wanted an Obama of its own. Now that they have Palin, they’ve stopped arguing that celebrity is bad. All they do is worship at her cult of celebrity. As Rick Davis, a top McCain adviser, said: “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

Why put out a press release about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy and then spend the next few days attacking the press for covering that press release?

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., will she call the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation and ask them to pray on a response, as she asked them to pray for a natural gas pipeline?

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Reply #65 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 12:25pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Sep 11th, 2008 at 8:50am:
Charlie wrote on Sep 10th, 2008 at 12:16pm:
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IMHO (and others also), Sarah Palin was chosen for two simple reasons, (1) She is female (for some reason, McCain thought that he could pull Hillary supporters with her) and (2) He gains the evangelical vote by choosing her.


Great Barb

And.............

After ranting that Obama is merely a celebrity like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, it turns out that McCain & Co. wanted an Obama of its own. Now that they have Palin, they’ve stopped arguing that celebrity is bad. All they do is worship at her cult of celebrity. As Rick Davis, a top McCain adviser, said: “This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates.”

Why put out a press release about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy and then spend the next few days attacking the press for covering that press release?

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., will she call the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation and ask them to pray on a response, as she asked them to pray for a natural gas pipeline?

Charlie




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Well, I would have said it if you hadn't beat me to it.... Does that count?  Kiss

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Change is COMING!.......LMAO  Smiley

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Reply #67 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 6:36pm
 
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You bet!  Same economic policy, same war policy, same energy policy, same environmental policy, same education policy, same tax breaks for the rich policy, same immigration policy, same wiretapping policy, incredibly even some of the same torture policy.....if you can believe what McCain has been saying lately, same abortion and pandering to evangelical idiots policy....after all the earth is only 6,000 years old and dear Sarah could have been field dressing T-Rexes back then.

Oh yeah. If McCain wins, moronic artifacts like Teri Shivo and lots of other idiotic Pat Robertson ideas will have room to resurface.

Exciting as all get out. I can't wait.

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Actually, it's the voters that have the power.  People seem to forget that.  God forbid you actually use your brain, filter out the nonsense, and attempt to make an informed choice.  God forbid you actually take a position and defend it.


Yes Fubar you are right! We the independent voters have more power than we have ever had in the past elections because when it’s running 50/50 like the last 2 general elections have, we (the independent voters) cast the deciding votes. The party lever pullers will be the downfall of freedom. Simple distraction and ignorance perpetrated by party propaganda is the way of the day.

I voted for Perot because George Bush senior was the head of the CIA and instead of being honest (when questioned about several things a CIA head would know) Bush Sr. said I don’t know or remember. He should have just said I can not comment on national security issues!

I am an independent voter in need of a serious and realistic candidate, not a shoe polish salesman!  This is why I am preaching the realist party. As long as we Americans continue to follow the lemmings, we will be domed to this infinite loop of self serving morons!

Roland. Wink

Edit to add: Dem $ given this year =$100, and Rep = $0, and Hillary = a big $0 Grin
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In 2005, the top 25% of wage earners paid 85.6% of the income taxes collected.  The top 1% of wage earners paid 38.4% of the income taxes collected.  This was after the huge tax break you speak of!
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I and 200 million others know that percentages aren't the real factor. It's like percentages of murder in the U. S. compared to other coutries. If 10,000 fewer people are killed in Canada or Britain, the doesn't alter the fact that 10,000 people were killed.

I'll go with Warren Buffet who said that it's insane that someone makinig $20,000 a year has a similar tax rate as he.

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Reply #71 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 12:16pm
 
You mean like during the same year I quote above the bottom 50% of wage earners had a tax rate of 3.1% and the top 1% of wage earners had a tax rate of 21.4% (again after those hugely unfair tax breaks for the rich).

I ain't buying the whining over taxes.
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Reply #72 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 2:02pm
 
Hello everyone,

I'm from Finland, not from the US. I decided to chime in to provide a view people from the other countries have about the election.

In Finland children are taught at an early age in school that violence is horrible, but sometimes necessary to find peace. That's what happened in Finland's war with Russia - we fought a tenacious battle so that we wouldn't be invaded. Considering how Russia is now when compared to Finland I'm very glad that we have independence.

Some people find glory in war, but personally I mostly see death, destruction and lost dreams. People with lost limbs, mutilated family members and worse. I would never want to be in a war, but would do my best in the occasion that we - a peaceful country - were invaded.

I don't really believe that any person is born "evil" or "good". Rather I do believe that people are shaped by their genes and their experiences in life. I believe most people want a peaceful life filled with happiness. When that is forcibly taken away from them, by violence or something else, there's going to be a reaction of some sort.

A lot of what I strongly believe in is found in the UN Declaration of Human rights, which can be found here: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

The first point there is "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." This is something I see as a goal for all the people of the world to work towards.

My personal view - and a view of a lot of my friends - is that while the attacks of 9/11 were horrible, they're not really that much compared to the death and destruction caused by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't mean disrespect to anyone here and certainly not the ones or the family members of those who died during 9/11, but I also really feel for the Iraqi and Afghans who had the same thing happen to them.

Putting it to numbers, Wikipedia says that "Excluding the 19 hijackers, 2,974 people died in the (9/11) attacks." In Iraq War, finding out the number of casualties is not easy, but they range by all estimates in hundreds of thousands. The biggest estimate, by Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey, was conducted August 12-19, 2007 estimated 1,220,580 violent deaths due to the Iraq War (range of 733,158 to 1,446,063.)

The War has also caused numerous other things, again according to Wikipedia. To name a few:

- Some 60-70% of Iraqi children are suffering from psychological problems. I don't find this at all surprising. To quote, "Mothers are appealing for someone to pick up the bodies on the street so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them on their way to school."

- 68% of Iraqis have no access to safe drinking water.

- Malnutrition rates have risen from 19% before the US-led invasion to a national average of 28% four years later.

- Iraq's anti-corruption board reported that official government statistics revealed that five million (or 35%) of Iraqi children were orphans.

- There are more than 3.9 million refugees of Iraq, almost 16% of the population. Two million fled Iraq while approximately 1.9 million are internally displaced people. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated on June 21, 2007 that 2.2 million Iraqis had fled to neighboring countries and 2 million were displaced internally, with nearly 100,000 Iraqis fleeing to Syria and Jordan each month.

As I understand, 9/11 attacks didn't cause these other things, although they definitely caused a change in the inner politics of the US. All of these things are, in my opinion, horrible. I wouldn't want them to happen to anyone. Whether Finns, Afghans, Iraqi or the Americans.

Concerning the presidential election, I believe that these things would not have happened if Bush hadn't got elected back then. I really am afraid that there will be more war and death if McCain gets elected. I don't know what will happen if Obama gets elected, but as I understand, he's anti-war.

I hope my post hasn't made me any "enemies" in this board. This was certainly not my intention. I just want peace and a happy life to everyone...free of war, cluster headaches or what be it.

- Best of regards and PFDAN to everyone,
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Rosa, to learn more about 9/11, please check out Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register and watch the preview video of "102 Minutes that Changed America".
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Reply #74 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 4:18pm
 
I just watched the 9 amateur videos of that day. It brought it all back. Thanks for sharing that Mel.
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