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Reply #75 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 4:27pm
 
Jimi wrote on Sep 12th, 2008 at 4:18pm:
I just watched the 9 amateur videos of that day. It brought it all back. Thanks for sharing that Mel.

Your welcome Jimi.  I watched it myself last night when it was on the History channel.  To see it happen through the eyes of lenses that were there, well, it was very sombering. Sad
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Reply #76 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 6:56pm
 
Sandy has this one down. First take the flag off the stripper constumes before freaking out.

And the freakout is just political based, period.

And I for one am sick of it.

So both Obama and Mc Cain went to ground zero.

BIG WHOOP. Do they really think that if they didn't go there they don't love America, or they support terrorism?

But you can bet each went just becasue the other one did go. Are they going to go there every year for the rest of their lives?

I did not go to ground zero. I guess I am a terrorist pig.

I would have like one of them not going and saying. "I am saddened on this anniversary of 9-11, but I am busy trying to do somthing about making sure it doesn't happen again instead of using it as a photo-op".
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Reply #77 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 7:40pm
 
superhawk2300 wrote on Sep 12th, 2008 at 6:56pm:
I would have like one of them not going and saying. "I am saddened on this anniversary of 9-11, but I am busy trying to do somthing about making sure it doesn't happen again instead of using it as a photo-op".


I am sooo down with that!!!!
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Reply #78 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 7:59pm
 
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You mean like during the same year I quote above the bottom 50% of wage earners had a tax rate of 3.1% and the top 1% of wage earners had a tax rate of 21.4% (again after those hugely unfair tax breaks for the rich).


Rich people paying a high percentage the total taxes may be true but they don't lose their home or be unable to get heath care or finance their kids' education because of the taxes they pay. For the middle class, it's the effect of the those taxes on available income, not the percentage of the taxes paid nationally. CEOs may lose some cash at a higher rate but will get along fine and will just have to move a bit more of their income to Aruba.

Those convenient percentage numbers are misleading.

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Reply #79 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 9:26pm
 
Why don't w run for office Jonny? I am so sick of these hypocrits force-feeding so much BS just so the more-believeable stuff stick (which is still BS thou).

And they also keep pimping these upper-class socialites as "common folk". Sorry, I make an above-average salary and I cannot think of one candidate that is anything like me.

Those people are SO removed from people who have to care about losing a job, and paying a motgage, and fixing a car.
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Reply #80 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 9:29pm
 
Those things are true Charlie, but I don't think that means they should pay more taxes.

However, they should pay more taxes because they use more resourses and have access to more ammenities than poorer people.

All the "regular" people in my area have to sell their boats and campers, and cancel vacation plans, but the uber rich still are driving motorhomes about, using boat lanches, going to pro-baseball and football games, etc.
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ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later — to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal — loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects — which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance — but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork."

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT

o "Hockey mom": true for a few years
o "PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
p "NRA supporter": absolutely true
o social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
o pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
o "Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
o "Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
o political maverick: not at all
o gutsy: absolutely!
o open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
o has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
o "a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
o fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
o pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
o pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents.
o pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
o pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall — they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.

Anne Kilkenny
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Reply #82 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 4:06am
 
Melissa wrote on Sep 12th, 2008 at 2:52pm:
Rosa, to learn more about 9/11, please check out Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register and watch the preview video of "102 Minutes that Changed America".


I watched the preview and found it to bring back a lot of feelings for me as well. I was watching the attacks from my television in Finland back then. Of course it's not the same, but I did.

The feeling I felt then was a mix of sympathy and dread. Sympathy for those who were trapped inside the buildings, dread because I knew right then that the world was going to change. And it has, with hundreds of thousands, even millions of dead as a direct or indirect result of the attacks.

I wanted to post a link to a video of a family in Iraq during being bombed, but regrettably I couldn't find any. They say that a picture tells more than a thousand words. Still, here's an excerpt from a blog written by Riverbend, a Baghdad resident:

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Valium has always been available over the counter. Iraq is one of those countries where you can get almost any medication 'over the counter'. It actually depends on the pharmacy, but generally speaking, everything from sedatives to antibiotics are sold over the counter. Medication is also really cheap here. I mean *really* cheap. We had, prior to the blockade, one of the best pharmaceutical companies in the region- "Samarra Drugs" which made everything from amoxicillin to flu medicine.

Will asked if valium had become addictive after the war. Of course it has. Valium is a staple during wars. I remember when we were preparing for the war, we would make list after list of 'necessities'. One list was for pharmaceutical necessities. It included such basics as cotton, band-aids, alcohol, gauze and an ordinary painkiller. It also included medicines such as ampicloxine, codeine and valium. No one in the family takes valium, but it was one of those 'just in case' medications- the kind you buy and hope you never have to use.

We had to use it during the first week of April, as the tanks started rolling into Baghdad. We had an older aunt staying at our house (she had been evacuated from her area) and along with my cousin, his wife, his two daughters, and an uncle, the house was crowded and- at bizarre moments- almost festive.

The bombing had gotten very heavy and our eating, and sleeping schedules were thrown off balance. Everything seemed to revolve around the attack on Baghdad- we'd hastily cook and eat during the lulls in bombing and we'd get snatches of sleep in between the 'shock and awe'. There were a few nights where we didn't sleep at all- we'd just stay up and sit around, staring at each other in the dark, listening to the explosions and feeling the earth tremble beneath.

So imagine this. It's a chilly night in Baghdad and the black of the sky suddenly lights up with flashes of white- as if the stars were exploding in the distance. The bombing was so heavy, we could hear the windows rattling, the ground shaking and the whiz of missiles ominously close. We were all gathered in the windowless hallway- adults and children. My cousin's daughters were wrapped in blankets and they sat huddled up close to their mother. They were so silent, they might have been asleep- but I knew they weren't because I could vaguely see the whites of their eyes, open wide, across the lamp-lit hallway.

Now, during the more lively hours of a shock and awe bombing storm, there's no way you can have a normal conversation. You might be able to blurt out a few hasty sentences, but eventually, there's bound to be an explosion that makes you stop, duck your head and wonder how the house didn't fall down around you.

Throughout this, we sit around, mumbling silent prayers, reviewing our lives and making vague promises about what we'd do if we got out of this one alive. Sometimes, one of us would turn to the kids and crack some lame joke or ask how they were doing. Often, the answer would be in the form of a wane smile or silence.

So where does the valium fit in? Imagine through all of this commotion, an elderly aunt who is terrified of bombing. She was so afraid, she couldn't, and wouldn't, sit still. She stood pacing the hallway, cursing Bush, Blair and anyone involved with the war- and that was during her calmer moments. When she was feeling especially terrified, the curses and rampage would turn into a storm of weeping and desolation (during which she imagines she can't breathe)- we were all going to die. They would have to remove us from the rubble of our home. We'd burn alive. And so on. And so forth.

During those fits of hysteria, my cousin would quietly, but firmly, hand her a valium and a glass of water. The aunt would accept both and in a matter of minutes, she'd grow calmer and a little bit more sane. This aunt wasn't addicted to valium, but it certainly came in handy during the more hectic moments of the war.

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Reply #83 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 8:47am
 
Rosa, I don't understand why you're countering 9/11 with Iraq?  I guess it's because the anniversary of 9/11 was just 2 days ago, and so fresh in peoples minds is why I posted what I did.  Why did you post yours??
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Reply #84 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 9:05am
 
I can't imagine how much valium my friend and fellow clusterhead, Andrea's dad, will have to take to get rid of the images of his daughter being on the 96th floor when those planes hit.

Maybe there isn't enough valium....
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I am sure her report is completely unbiased. Roll Eyes
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Rosa,
I'm like some of the rest, what does Iraq have to do with 9/11 (and how did 9/11 get on this thread?)?
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Melissa and Brew,

I posted the excerpt from the blog because I see 9/11 intimately tied with the War in Iraq. Didn't one lead to the other? I wanted to show that misery and death is horrible, no matter where it happens, and we all should do our best to not to have it happen anymore...anywhere.

Like I said before, I certainly didn't and don't mean any disrespect to those or the family members of those who died or suffered during 9/11. I don't want any kind of contest or argument.

I just want world peace and a happy life for everyone. It's an utopistic dream but it nevertheless is my dream.

Brew, I'm very sorry for your friend's loss. Children shouldn't feel terror or die violent deaths - anywhere.
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Ungweliante wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:13am:
Melissa and Brew,

I posted the excerpt from the blog because I see 9/11 intimately tied with the War in Iraq. Didn't one lead to the other?

No.  They are not tied.  Al Queda attacked us, not Iraq.  And as for the Iraq war, I watched the United Nations conferences on the 13(?) resolutions that Iraq was not following which led up to the war. 

People are having a very hard time separating the two, and I blame a lot of that on the media which is supposed to INFORM the public. Roll Eyes
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Rosa - I've vowed not to get involved in political discussions on this site anymore. I will only point out how the actions of others have affected me or those I love, isolating those actions from politics. You can believe what you want to believe.
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Reply #90 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 1:10pm
 
Well, as a hater of most media outlets, I will oddly enough defend them in this case.

9-11 and Iraq got linked because our current "President" used the words "Al qaeda" and "Iraq" in the same sentence over 900 times in his speechs over her term. The press would be dumb to not cover the president speaking I assume. Actually, in the case of this president they would be smart.

It is super clear now that Al qaeda and Iraq have not had anything to do with each other. In fact Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain were enemies with opposing viewpoints.
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deltadarlin wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:12am:
Rosa,
I'm like some of the rest, what does Iraq have to do with 9/11 (and how did 9/11 get on this thread?)?


The honest answer is that 9-11 led to the US attack on Iraq. It made Americans so angry that they were willing to support anything against 'those people over there' ... except those weren't the people that attacked us.

Melissa blames the media - and it is true that they did not ask the hard questions because they were afraid of being portrayed as unpatriotic. But who led the calls for war against Iraq, claiming and implying that Iraq was linked to Al Qaeda?  Doesn't the real blame lie there? 

Sarah Palin seems to suggest there is a link between 9-11 and Iraq. When she was addressing her son and other troops preparing to leave for Iraq on 9-11 (is that a coincidence, or what?) she said:

“You’ll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans. You’ll be there because America can never go back to that false sense of security that came before Sept. 11, 2001.”

Some have said that she was referring not to Al Qaeda, but to the various insurgents that have have planned attacks on American troops in Iraq .... OK, but that begs the question: if we didn't invade because 9-11, they wouldn't have planned those attacks and killed American troops.


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Reply #92 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 3:22pm
 
monty wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 2:40pm:
deltadarlin wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:12am:
Rosa,
I'm like some of the rest, what does Iraq have to do with 9/11 (and how did 9/11 get on this thread?)?


The honest answer is that 9-11 led to the US attack on Iraq. It made Americans so angry that they were willing to support anything against 'those people over there' ... except those weren't the people that attacked us.




Thats not quite right.  Americans were virtually all in agreement that we needed to go into Afganistan.  Bin Laden was believed to be there and the 2 big terrorist groups both were heavily in Afganistan.
I believe virtually all Americans would have been in agreement to then go to other countries that posed a terror threat to America.  Any country on the top 10 terrorist watch list would have been fine.

Rather than do that, we invaded Iraq instead.  I don't know many people except for Sean Hanity and Bush Jr. who thought Iraq posed a real or iminent threat.  I certainly never believed it. 

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Re: DNC Trashes US flags at Invesco field!
Reply #93 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 3:52pm
 
9/11 tied to Iraq?

It certainly is now thanks to Bush. In effect, the invasion has served as a recruiting service for Al qaeda. Now thousands of 16 year old children with little to look forward to, consider suicide bombing and terrorism as a way to make a mark in their likely short lives.

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Re: DNC Trashes US flags at Invesco field!
Reply #94 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 3:57pm
 
You're right on Charles.

And every family that loses a loved on becomes sympotheitic to the terrorist and is likely to help them. And the chances of future generations having anti-american sentiment if far greater.

We, in effect, are creating our worst nightmare.

But what does Bush care? No one he knows or cares about will ever be in any danger, here or abroad.
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