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Reply #25 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 1:23am
 
I don't have to download that one to know who you are talking about. Standard neocon response. Pundits are fine so long as they row only on their side of the boat.

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Reply #26 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 1:39am
 
Being eviscerated  (gutted or disemboweled) by the truth? WTF does that mean?

Isn’t that why the punk got taken off election coverage? And then NBC gave the fuck a raise to seal the deal!

This is the world we share with pond scum.

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Reply #27 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 6:32am
 
I remember very clearly. I was travelling to Toronto on a 10.30am train from Ottawa to visit my best friend and my sister called me from the UK and told me to switch on the tv. She really didn't want me to go. I picked up a Toronto Sun when I got there and still have it. I went up the CN Tower on 13/09 and there was hardly anyone up there.

A friend of mine sent a chain email with this picture on it. The email was titled Something You Won't See Again.

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Reply #28 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 6:32am
 
The Mad Viking wrote on Sep 11th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Maybe its time to forgive but NEVER forget.

I know some of you will be pissed when i say that but thats the way many of Europeans are thinking in this matter


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I'm sorry to disagree Svenn, but I am not one of those Europeans. As a matter of fact, most Westerners have been shaken rudely into reality with those cowardous attacks at 911. I could never NEVER forgive them for the death of three thousand people, innocents. They wanna wage war? Do it on a battlefield with people who are trained to fight, and expect it.

I have no words for the feelings I got when coming home from work and seeing those burning buildings.
So mad, so so mad.

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Reply #29 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 12:36pm
 
The Mad Viking wrote on Sep 11th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Maybe its time to forgive but NEVER forget.

I know some of you will be pissed when i say that but thats the way many of Europeans are thinking in this matter


Svenn


All I can say is I'm glad I'm a Brit and not a sodding European.  Roll Eyes

Maybe the next time someone invades France or anywhere else that doesn't decide to be completely flippin' wet and be "neutral" we should all sit back and say not our problem??

Forget? never, forgive? Right after that.
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Reply #30 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 12:54pm
 
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I'll forgive the bastards when they apologize, vow never to do it again, and change their fucked up religion so others don't get the same fucked up ideas.

There you go again... taking the words out of my mouth.

Jean also put it well. 

Svenn,

Forgiveness can only be given to those who seek it.  These animals hide behind loop holes in a fractured faith.  They're not selling Allah; they're selling world domination.  Their currency isn’t religion; it’s terror.

Let their God afford them forgiveness for their sins against humanity...

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Reply #31 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 8:23pm
 
I've said this before but my take on this is that I'm still waiting for some large group of American Muslims to get together and explain why they are appalled at what was done. So far, I've not seen it.

On the other hand; I really do think we have to get around this a bit more. It's become too much the center of every thing we do. Go after them but not to the exclusion of everything else.

For the first time, we have experienced what it is to be Europeans: Lots of crap around us and we have to come to some accomodation with such things. It's never going to be as safe as it was. That's new and it's hard for us to deal with.

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Reply #32 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 2:35pm
 
Charlie wrote on Sep 12th, 2008 at 8:23pm:
I've said this before but my take on this is that I'm still waiting for some large group of American Muslims to get together and explain why they are appalled at what was done. So far, I've not seen it.


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I remember very clearly large groups of Morrocan and Somali youth going on the streets to party that evening here in the Netherlands, we, the general public were appaled beyond imagination. Is it youthful rebellion, as the socialists tried to apologize it? I think not.

Where was the general outcry by them after the murder of Theo van Gogh?
No, instead we get muzzled when we complain when another poor gay man is beaten half to death. They are allowed to hate the Western lifestyle with a passion, but when you complain about that, you are branded a racist! I'm no friggin' racist, I have Indonesian, Surinamese and Antillian friends. I just can't stand the one way street of muslems being free to do whatever they please, without acknowledging the criticism about it.

I wanna say however, that I live in a neighbourhood with loads of muslems, and that a lot of them are very nice people who do not agree with extremist elements. We need to praise them as well, and recognize that a bunch of them are scared to speak out. They are prisoners, just like the rest of us.

Hoping for a better world soon with mutual understanding,
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Reply #33 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 5:11pm
 
maalstroom wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 2:35pm:
Charlie wrote on Sep 12th, 2008 at 8:23pm:
I've said this before but my take on this is that I'm still waiting for some large group of American Muslims to get together and explain why they are appalled at what was done. So far, I've not seen it.


Charlie


I just can't stand the one way street of muslems being free to do whatever they please, without acknowledging the criticism about it.


Just wait, they are having babies more than your people are and in 20 years when they out number you they will take over your country.

The same goes for England and ALL the countries that let these fucks run wild!

Edit to add: That shit wont happen here, almost all of us own guns!  Wink
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Reply #34 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 6:33pm
 
Jonny, whenever that happens (and demographics show it will) I will move my clusterheaded self and gf and animal pets over to the good old USA. Think they"ll let an honest hardworking young man in?

But to be serious: which countries are run over right now? France at first, we the Dutch are second. Why? Coz we've always been too tolerant. The Netherlands always wanted to be the guiodeland on liberal policies, you name it, we were the first. Well, those policies have caught up with us. I am no authority on politics, but I see what happens to our neighbourhoods ( not just mine, all over the country) and I see what it does to the people. The Dutch are no racists, far from it, we have always welcomed our immigrants with love. But the  muslems are causing a lot of sh*t, no way around it.

Tell me, what to do. It is a problem all over Europe, not just France and here, even in small countries like Denmark. And yes, they are outgrowing us. Statistics: The Netherlands 16,5 million people of which 944, 000 muslem.... look it up. Or rather see Geert Wilders' ''Fitna'' movie.
BTW. I've seen international media coverage on Geert Wilders' stating he is a white nationalist..... he damn well is not. He's a conservative politician scared of islamisation of Europe. In fact, his mother is an Indonesian, so he can NOT be a racist. But you know what, that's how the media manipulies you.
The Dutch are NOT racist, it is just a name to cower us into silence.

It pisses me off, Pascal.
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Reply #35 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 6:42pm
 
Pascal,

Buy a gun, thats if you can!

You are welcome at my home.

Americans run America, not any Religion!

Not sure how long I can say that but I said it!  Wink
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Reply #36 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:05pm
 
`Jonny, thanx for the encouragements. But before I ever leave my native grounds, I will be ready to fight for it. Me and friends have discussed the thought of civil war. And we are willing to fight, not because we want it, but because there is a possibility it is inevitable. Maybe that is the road the Europeans are determined to go, the path of fighting armed and dangerous, just to preserve what our ancestors have fought for.

Damn, I do not want to depress anyone. But at times it seems inevitable. Look at the Cornulla Beach riots in Australia: they were fights among muslems and non muslems, not what the media told us: white nationalists against darkskinned. In fact, a lot of darkskinned fought with the white. It never was a racist thing. Neither is it here.
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Reply #37 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:07pm
 
The Mad Viking wrote on Sep 11th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Maybe its time to forgive but NEVER forget.

I know some of you will be pissed when i say that but thats the way many of Europeans are thinking in this matter


Svenn


With all due respect Svenn, NO.  Do the Jews of Europe forgive the mentality behind Hitler's extermination of millions of Jews? This same mentality applies here.  There is no reasoning with them nor will this end with understanding or forgiveness.  Read their warped understanding of the Koran.  You, me and any other infidel will be put to death for not following their beliefs.

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Reply #38 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
Paul98 wrote on Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:07pm:
The Mad Viking wrote on Sep 11th, 2008 at 4:32pm:
Maybe its time to forgive but NEVER forget.

I know some of you will be pissed when i say that but thats the way many of Europeans are thinking in this matter


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With all due respect Svenn, NO.  Do the Jews of Europe forgive the mentality behind Hitler's extermination of millions of Jews? This same mentality applies here.  There is no reasoning with them nor will this end with understanding or forgiveness.  Read their warped understanding of the Koran.  You, me and any other infidel will be put to death for not following their beliefs.

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Agreed wholeheartedly.
I do not see any difference  between the extremist version of the Koran and Mein Kampf.
There are probably more common grounds than there are not.

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Reply #39 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
Its not about race anymore, Pascal......Its about Allah taking over the world, the more you give them the more they hate you and want to kill you (Not all of them)....but the rest will follow because they are afraid of the rest of them.

Buy a gun, Dude! Wink
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Reply #40 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:19pm
 
Allah? Taking over the world? Ha! The dude ain't got nothing on me lol!

But without kidding: yes, yes and yes.


By the way: I'm a big fan of the second amandment, we need it over here as well.
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Reply #41 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:24pm
 
I'm not one to forgive those that hit us. This offshoot wants us dead. It would seem to me that it would behoove any of the moderate groups..here especially....to denounce what happened in a larger way.....whether sincere or not. It boggles my mind.

On the other hand, while not forgetting them, it's time to pursue bin Laden & Co. in a way that doesn't distract us from the rest of the world and our own well-being. As I said: It's time to cease being only The United States Of Fighting Terrorism. We have more than that to worry about.

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Reply #42 - Sep 13th, 2008 at 7:41pm
 
The United States of Fighting Terrorism?

I disagree strongly Charlie.


Especially the Danes and the Dutch are fighting each and every day, and losing people each day Charlie, in Afghanistan.
So don't tell me that, as we Europeans fight for the caus as well.
Not to mention all other alligiances.

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Reply #43 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 8:10am
 
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And people wonder why I have so many kids...  I'm doing my part!

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Reply #44 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:55pm
 
Pascal:

I'm not saying we should stop fighting terrorism. What I'm saying....and I'm not alone, is that it consumes our politics and probably more that Vietnam. During that war, tons of social programs and the Civil Rights Act became law. A little thing we call the cold war was front and center too. We landed on the moon. We did lots of things, not just one all-consuming war of choice that is being used to stifle debate on very serious issues.

Today, we have energy, health care, very serious economic problems ....However, with Sarah Palin's nomination for Vice President, abortion and that tedious "family values" crap gets all the press. It's  psychotic.


Fight the terrorists where they are and never let up but we are big enough to work on our other serious problems as well. If we don't, we are in for a very long period of decline.

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