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Reply #50 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:38pm
 
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What can I say Jonny? I got this and other stuff from the Oped pages of the New York Times. I read them every week. Charlie


It would be nice if you included a link to everything you post like we all do, Charlie.

Is that asking too much?  Wink


No it isn't but you can't directly link to these guys without a password. I can probably copy it. I have to fart around to do it though. Today, I found Tom Freidman pretty good. He writes a lot about how far behind the country is getting in many areas. You can find him at CSPAN now and then too.

This is the whole column today:  

Imagine for a minute that attending the Republican convention in St. Paul, sitting in a skybox overlooking the convention floor, were observers from Russia, Iran and Venezuela. And imagine for a minute what these observers would have been doing when Rudy Giuliani led the delegates in a chant of “drill, baby, drill!

I’ll tell you what they would have been doing: the Russian, Iranian and Venezuelan observers would have been up out of their seats, exchanging high-fives and joining in the chant louder than anyone in the hall — “Yes! Yes! Drill, America, drill!” — because an America that is focused first and foremost on drilling for oil is an America more focused on feeding its oil habit than kicking it.

Why would Republicans, the party of business, want to focus our country on breathing life into a 19th-century technology — fossil fuels — rather than giving birth to a 21st-century technology — renewable energy? As I have argued before, it reminds me of someone who, on the eve of the I.T. revolution — on the eve of PCs and the Internet — is pounding the table for America to make more I.B.M. typewriters and carbon paper. “Typewriters, baby, typewriters.”

Of course, we’re going to need oil for many years, but instead of exalting that — with “drill, baby, drill” — why not throw all our energy into innovating a whole new industry of clean power with the mantra “invent, baby, invent?” That is what a party committed to “change” would really be doing. As they say in Texas: “If all you ever do is all you’ve ever done, then all you’ll ever get is all you ever got.”

I dwell on this issue because it is symbolic of the campaign that John McCain has decided to run. It’s a campaign now built on turning everything possible into a cultural wedge issue — including even energy policy, no matter how stupid it makes the voters and no matter how much it might weaken America.

I respected McCain’s willingness to support the troop surge in Iraq, even if it was going to cost him the Republican nomination. Now the same guy, who would not sell his soul to win his party’s nomination, is ready to sell every piece of his soul to win the presidency.
In order to disguise the fact that the core of his campaign is to continue the same Bush policies that have led 80 percent of the country to conclude we’re on the wrong track, McCain has decided to play the culture-war card. Obama may be a bit professorial, but at least he is trying to unite the country to face the real issues rather than divide us over cultural differences.

A Washington Post editorial on Thursday put it well: “On a day when the Congressional Budget Office warned of looming deficits and a grim economic outlook, when the stock market faltered even in the wake of the government’s rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when President Bush discussed the road ahead in Iraq and Afghanistan, on what did the campaign of Senator John McCain spend its energy? A conference call to denounce Senator Barack Obama for using the phrase ‘lipstick on a pig’ and a new television ad accusing the Democrat of wanting to teach kindergartners about sex before they learn to read.”

Some McCain supporters criticize Obama for not having the steel in his belly to use force in the dangerous world we live in today. Well I know this: In order to use force, you have to have force. In order to exercise leverage, you have to have leverage.

I don’t know how much steel is in Obama’s belly, but I do know that the issues he is focusing on in this campaign — improving education and health care, dealing with the deficit and forging a real energy policy based on building a whole new energy infrastructure — are the only way we can put steel back into America’s spine. McCain, alas, has abandoned those issues for the culture-war strategy.

Who cares how much steel John McCain has in his gut when the steel that today holds up our bridges, railroads, nuclear reactors and other infrastructure is rusting? McCain talks about how he would build dozens of nuclear power plants. Oh, really? They go for $10 billion a pop. Where is the money going to come from? From lowering taxes? From banning abortions? From borrowing more from China? From having Sarah Palin “reform” Washington — as if she has any more clue how to do that than the first 100 names in the D.C. phonebook?

Sorry, but there is no sustainable political/military power without economic power, and talking about one without the other is nonsense. Unless we make America the country most able to innovate, compete and win in the age of globalization, our leverage in the world will continue to slowly erode. Those are the issues this election needs to be about, because that is what the next four years need to be about.
There is no strong leader without a strong country. And posing as one, to use the current vernacular, is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig.

I don't agree with everything but a lot of it. Hope it works.

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Reply #51 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:56pm
 
Charlie wrote on Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:38pm:
...when Rudy Giuliani led the delegates in a chant of “drill, baby, drill!

The guy lost me right away with this.  I watched the RNC, and the people on the floor were chanting it before Rudy said "What?  Drill baby drill?"  He did not lead them into it.

BTW, at that same convention, Palin said that drilling is only a temporary solution (to get off of our dependency of foreign oil), that alternative energy will be persued in the meantime.

Or was I watching something totally different from what this guy was?? Undecided
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Reply #52 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
Here's another one Mel. Maureen Dowd makes me smile. She was a favorite of Don Imus if I remember:

Maureen Doud. 9/14/ 2008

Anchorage:

I’ve been in Alaska only a week, but I’m already feeling ever so much smarter about Russia.

I can’t quite see it from my hotel window, but, hey, I know it’s out there somewhere, beyond all the stuffed bears and cruise ships and glaciers and oil derricks.

The proximity of the country from which William Seward bartered to buy Alaska for $7 million — Seward’s icebox — is so illuminating that I suddenly realize that we would commit a grave error by overestimating Russia’s economic strength. After all, it represents only 2.8 percent of the world’s G.D.P., even though its gross domestic product has ballooned from $200 billion in 1999 to $1.7 trillion this year.

But I overanalyze.

An Arctic blast of action has swept into the 2008 race, making thinking passé. We don’t really need to hurt our brains studying the world; we just need the world to know we’re capable of bringing a world of hurt to the world if the world continues to be hell-bent on misbehaving.

Two weeks after being thrown onto a national ticket, and moments after being speed-briefed by McCain foreign-policy advisers, our new Napoleon in bunny boots (not the Pamela Anderson kind, but the knock-offs of the U.S. Army Extreme Cold Weather Vapor Barrier Boots) is ready to face down the Russkies and start a land war over Georgia, and, holy cow, what business is it of ours if Israel attacks Iran?

The trigger-happy John McCain has indeed found a soul mate. Trigger squared. In Fairbanks on Thursday, at a deployment ceremony for her son who is going to Iraq, Governor Palin followed the lead of McCain and W. in fusing Osama bin Laden’s diabolical work on 9/11 and the mission in Iraq. She told the departing troops, “You’ll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans.”

Asked by Charlie Gibson what insight into Russian actions her Alaskan proximity gave her, Sarah blithely replied: “They’re our next-door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.”
Being a next-door neighbor is not quite enough, though. If Sarah had been reading about the world she feels so confident about leading rather than just parroting by rote what Randy Scheunemann and the neocons around McCain drilled into her last week — Drill, baby, drill! — she might have realized that as heinous as Russia’s behavior toward Georgia was, it was not completely unprovoked. The State Department has let it be known that it warned McCain’s friend, Misha, the hotheaded president of Georgia, not to send troops in to crush the rebellion in two breakaway states.

And she might not have had to clench her jaw and play for time when Gibson raised the Bush doctrine, the wacko preemption philosophy that so utterly changed the world.

The really scary part of the Palin interview was how much she seemed like W. in 2000, and not just the way she pronounced nu-cue-lar. She had the same flimsy but tenacious adeptness at saying nothing, the same generalities and platitudes, the same restrained resentment at being pressed to be specific, as though specific is the province of silly eggheads, not people who clear brush at the ranch or shoot moose on the tundra.

Just as W. once could not name the General-General running Pakistan, so Palin took a position on Pakistan that McCain had derided as naïve when Obama took it.

“We must not, Charlie, blink, Charlie, because, Charlie, as I’ve said, Charlie, before, John McCain has said, Charlie, that — and remember here, Charlie, we’re talking about John McCain, Charlie, who, Charlie, is John McCain and I won’t be blinking, Charlie.”

She tried to finesse her previous church comments about Iraq, asking worshipers to pray “that there is a plan, and that plan is God’s plan.” Earnestly repeating after her tutors, she said she had meant to echo Abraham Lincoln, that in war we must pray that we are on God’s side rather than that he is on ours. But her original comments sounded more W. than Abe — taking your policy and ideology and giving it the hallowed mantle of a mission from God.

Sarah has single-handedly ushered out the “Sex and the City” era, and made the sexy new model for America a retro one — the glamorous Pioneer Woman, packing a gun, a baby and a Bible.
Her explosion onto the scene made Obama seem even more like a windy, wispy egghead. Like W., Sarah has the power of positive unthinking. But now we may want to think about where ignorance and pride and no self-doubt has gotten us. Being quick on the trigger might be good in moose hunting, but in dealing with Putin, a little knowledge might come in handy.

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Reply #53 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 1:39pm
 
Charlie wrote on Sep 14th, 2008 at 1:34pm:
the glamorous Pioneer Woman, packing a gun, a baby and a Bible.
Her explosion onto the scene made Obama seem even more like a windy, wispy egghead.


I love it!!!!....LMAO  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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Is it Nov. 5th yet??
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Reply #55 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 2:08pm
 
The Democrats seem to be in a no-win situation, thankfully, vis-a-vis Sarah Palin. From the tight circles I travel in to the apparent sentiment of women nationally, we're witnessing a dynamic new trend: Glampol.

Not only are women generally biased toward women in politics (yes, same holds true for men) but in the case of Palin they're going overboard whereas they're not only supportive, but defensive as well. I can't imagine a rosier picture for politician than this.  

While being used to having a broad negativity paint brush sweeping their (ahem) profession this is more like trained artisans constructing national billboards of support. Likening Bereft Obama to Jesus isn't going to sway the Godfearing vote his way but picking on and attacking Palin serves only to strengthen her support which, I might remind you, has at least core sympathies of 1/2 the entire voting population who have never seen 'one of their own' so close to steering the good ship USA.

All this matters none to true patriots however. Bob Barr, of the Libertarian ticket (who is courting Ron Paul...maybe more for his ability to bank than his legislatively Constitutional persona) is the only representative of government OFF YOUR BACK. I urge those unfamiliar with the principles of our country as embodied in the Libertarian party/philosophy  to investigate  here: Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

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Reply #56 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 2:33pm
 
nots- what about the "Barr Amendment"??

I'm still thinking of writing in Ron Paul...
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Bill, your killing me....LMMFAO!!!!! Grin Cheesy Grin

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That parity rocks Brew. When I run for office (like that would ever happen) You sir will be the first call I make! Cheesy Grin Wink
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Reply #60 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 3:11pm
 
Sorry if this is unrelated to the video but I'm not interested in the 90 minutes it can take for it download.

The race is far from over but..... Not my words, but from "Inside Washington" pundits: The elephant in the room is the Bubba vote. Everybody pretends that race won't be a factor but it will be for a lot of this bloc. The question is of course, if it can counter the youth and Afro vote. No one knows.

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Reply #61 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 7:44pm
 
You are right Charlie.  Not only that, I wouldn't count all the womens' votes going to Palin, just yet.  I think that there are far more women who aren't going to be swayed just because she is a woman (gender ain't got jackschit to do with my vote).  BUT, the evangelical vote is going to have a big effect here too, it just depends how many are swayed by Palin.
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Reply #62 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 7:52pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Sep 14th, 2008 at 7:44pm:
You are right Charlie.  Not only that, I wouldn't count all the womens' votes going to Palin


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Reply #63 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 8:29pm
 
The other elephant in the room, Jonny, is abortion. This thing has made politics a bloodbath for the last 30 years. About 35% or so the electorate favor repeal of Roe v. Wade. No matter the demorgraphics or statistics, it's made any form of civil debate an artifact of the past. There is no common ground on it and doctors have been murdered....right here in western, NY over this poisonous thing.

What I'm getting at is that at the end of the day, I seriously doubt.....despite the current bump for Palin, that many Hillary voters will vote for her because of her position on this single issue that has made politics a matter of who is the worst candidate as reason for support.

No matter you position: Bleagh.

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Reply #64 - Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:00pm
 
I do not understand how the republicans tactics can work in a country with mandatory schooling for its children. The tactics of ignoring facts and hard questions and just repeating the same drivel seems to work wonders on the population.

Bush's own Dept of Energy states any oil drilled TODAY (and we ar far away from drilling "today") would not have any effect until 2023. A little math here.....carry the one.....seems my 3 year old Taylor will be able to vote right around when that oil becomes usable.

And the way the system works is this folks - any oil gotten from drilling in US grounds dosn't belong to the American people or even the US government. For all intents and purposes it belongs to the company that buys it and refines it to make gas. And the price of oil is deermined GLOBALLY.  So lets say even if all US oil companies are capable of buying oil obtained from US soil, the amount pumped and sold in other countries still affects the price that is paid for that oil. The amount of oil needed to be "foriegn oil free" is not even close to a reality.

In essence all oil brought to the surface in the world go into a big pot, suply and demand is measured and prices are set. It matter not one single iota where the oil originates.

If Exxon or BP or Citgo choose to boycot foreign oil, the available oil to them will immediatly go down to nothing and where to do get it from will jack the price so high even Rockerfeller couldn't offord to mow his lawn.

That being said I am all for drilling everywhere, but as an afterthought to any other ideas. first lets get a law on the books that would make it illegal for oil companies to to buy patents for fuel efficant technologies so they can bury them to never see the light of day, and find a way to unbury some of the 1000's that they did bury.
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You are right Charlie.  Not only that, I wouldn't count all the womens' votes going to Palin


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And do you have anything to back this up?  damn, jonny, women on here are not so sure they want to vote for her!  Do you think that women will just fall over and vote for her because she's female?  Or perhaps do you think her stance on no abortion for any reason (except to save the life of the mother), is oign to endear her to the ex-Hillary supporters?
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Reply #66 - Sep 15th, 2008 at 2:13am
 
Me Lissa do tell: What is the Barr Amendment? (A drop embarrassed here since he was a rep in my district for years)

Also, I think Ron Paul is the only statesman this country has left and am proud of you for that consideration. In the language of our youth, "you go girl!".
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Reply #67 - Sep 15th, 2008 at 7:17am
 
Renewable Energy - get off foreign oil dependancy.

What a joke!  Only 2% of our oil consumption goes to producing electricty.  Most of it goes to transportation.  Get off oil dependancy - switch to natural gas or electric vehicles, plain & simple.  With electric vehicles renewable and nuclear make sense.
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notseinfeld wrote on Sep 15th, 2008 at 2:13am:
Me Lissa do tell: What is the Barr Amendment? (A drop embarrassed here since he was a rep in my district for years)

Also, I think Ron Paul is the only statesman this country has left and am proud of you for that consideration. In the language of our youth, "you go girl!".

Barr has flip flopped more than I feel comfortable with on issues in the past.  Anyway, here's from Wikipedia on the Barr Amendment:

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In 1998, He successfully blocked implementation of Initiative 59[35] — the "Legalization of Marijuana for Medical Treatment Initiative of 1998" — which would have legalized medical marijuana in Washington, D.C.[36] The "Barr Amendment" to the 1999 Omnibus spending bill not only blocked implementation of Initiative 59 but prohibited the vote tally from even being released.[36][37] Nearly a year passed before a lawsuit[38] filed by the American Civil Liberties Union eventually revealed the initiative had received 69 percent of the vote.[39] In response to the judge's ruling,[40] Barr simply attached another "Barr Amendment" to the 2000 Omnibus spending bill that overturned Initiative 59 outright.[41] The Barr Amendment also prohibited future laws that would "decrease the penalties for marijuana or other Schedule I drugs" in Washington, D.C.[42] This preemptively blocked future attempts by Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) to reform marijuana laws in DC via the initiative process.[42] In March 2002, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan struck down this portion of the Barr Amendment as being an unconstitutional restriction on free speech.[42][43] Barr's response to the ruling was defiant:

Clearly, the court today has ignored the constitutional right and responsibility of Congress to pass laws protecting citizens from dangerous and addictive narcotics, and the right of Congress to exert legislative control over the District of Columbia as the nation's capital.

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Reply #69 - Sep 15th, 2008 at 9:03am
 
I'd like to acknowledge you Mel for being so deligent on researching your options!

If everyone who vote did this I think elections wouldn't be so much of a forgone conclusion
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Reply #70 - Sep 15th, 2008 at 11:58am
 
Nice going Mel!

Some years ago, I placed Bob Barr in the Tom Delay camp. He has an odd record to say the least. He's different today with some kind libertarian thing, I guess.  I'd never trust him though.

How I would love to have a national referendum on marijuana and the DEA! For all intents and purposes, I have never used drugs anyway.

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