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Reply #100 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 7:29am
 
I emailed Congressman Obey, questioning him about the 62 billion dollar stimulus package he was trying to push through while the rest of congress was trying to help our country out of a pickle.  Here's the spin email I got back in return...

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Dear Mrs. Filtz:                           

Thank you for contacting me about the President’s request for a massive $700 billion bailout of the financial markets.

As you might expect, I have heard from many, many people who are unhappy, fearful, and frustrated by what has been going on, and the vast majority are staunchly opposed to the President’s proposal for what is, in effect, a blank check.  I am, too, and let me make it perfectly clear that I have no intention of giving this, or any other President, a blank check to do with as he wishes.  We've seen that before when the President demanded that Congress give him a blank check for Iraq - with disastrous consequences.

We are currently paying a huge price for the fact that for over 20 years we’ve had massive deregulation of the financial sector of our economy and, at the same time, economic policies that have favored the top dogs at the expense of everybody else.

If you take all of the income growth that has occurred in this country in the last eight years and see who got it, over 95 percent of all of the income growth in the country went to the wealthiest 10 percent of families.  That means 90 percent of American families – 9 out of 10 – were left to struggle to get a piece of just 4.7 percent of the total income growth that’s occurred in the last eight years. 

As a result, people who, in real terms, have had their income frozen for nearly a decade have tried to keep their heads above water by borrowing.  In fact, over the last eight years, mortgage debt alone has gone up by $7 trillion, almost seven times as much as the national debt that we hear so much about.

And with the umpire off the field because of the relentless drive for less regulation by the Reagan and Bush Administrations, and on occasion the Clinton Administration as well, many on Wall Street who were looking for a way to make a bigger buck than ever have made the problem worse. 

I fought that pressure time and time again.

For example, I was one of 57 members in the House who opposed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which was enacted during the FDR Administration.  Glass-Steagall was enacted to keep investment banking and community banking separate, because they didn't want the high-flying, risk-taking actions of investment bankers to infect the community banking system.  It stood us in good stead for generations.  During debate on the House Floor during the vote to repeal Glass-Steagall, I said that the bill was:

        "consumer fraud masquerading as financial reform.  There is nothing wrong with
        modernizing financial institutions.  It is nice to see that my colleagues are going
        to try to set up one-stop shopping services for financial services.  But returning
        1999 to 1929 is not reform in my book.”

At this point, we don’t know what will be negotiated with the White House, but we do know that they have the Congress over a barrel because if we don't do something credit markets are likely to freeze up.  It doesn't just mean that Wall Street is going to be crippled; the people who will be left holding the bag are American families.  The impact on Wall Street will have trickle down consequences for every family in America, and if Main Street business can't get credit, there could be thousands of businesses that go under and we could have the worst economic mess since the Great Depression.  So something has to be done. 

As Franklin Roosevelt said in his inaugural address in 1932 when he was facing a similar collapse of the financial sector of the economy, "we need action and now."  We must provide that action at the same time we make every effort to build in assurances that protect American taxpayers.  Middle income families have missed out on the production of wealth in recent years and taxpayers have been ripped off with giveaways to the wealthy and well-connected, paid for by ballooning the deficit and passing the costs onto future generations.

We’re looking for a number of changes to the Administration’s proposal to protect the taxpayer’s interest. 

First, we are trying to ensure that the taxpayer will get the benefit of any recovery in the value of the assets the government would buy from financial institutions. 

Second, we are trying to find a mechanism by which Wall Street can pay a significant share of the tab so taxpayers don't get stuck with the whole load.

Third, there needs to be an independent review board looking over the shoulder of the Fed as it makes financial decisions to blow the whistle if problems develop. 

Fourth, there certainly should be limitations on compensation to the executives of the companies receiving federal aid and no golden parachutes. 



Fifth, there needs to be a reinvigoration of oversight by regulatory agencies to prevent this from happening again.

And that’s just scratching the surface.  There are a number of other things that need to be done, too.

I also hope we’ll see a change in the bankruptcy law passed, over my objection, by the last Congress, which did not take into account that some people are unable to make their mortgage payments or credit card payments simply because they’d either lost their jobs or had a health problem.  Certainly we ought to be able to provide some sort of relief for people in that kind of situation, so that people on Main Street are getting the same sort of considerations as the big shots on Wall Street.

You should also know that, as I write this letter, Congress is considering legislation that I authored to try to help people on Main Street who are suffering because of this crisis.  We're trying to make greater investments in the country's infrastructure by beefing up our sewer and water construction and highway and airport construction in order to create a good number of well paying private sector jobs.  We also want to extend unemployment insurance to help address the fact that 600,000 Americans have lost their jobs this year.  And we are also trying to provide some budget support for states so they do not wind up knocking poor children off health care rolls.

Please be assured that, as we move forward to confront this challenge, the needs of taxpayers, homeowners, and working Americans and their families will be uppermost in my mind.

Thank you again for taking the time to get in touch.

Sincerely,

David Obey
Your Congressman


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Reply #101 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 8:34am
 
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WASHINGTON, Sept 27 (Reuters) - Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives are pushing for a new Wall Street tax that would cover the potential costs of a $700 billion bailout being negotiated by Congress and the Bush administration.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, speaking to reporters after a meeting with fellow Democrats, said the fee could be assessed after five years if the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office determined taxpayers had lost money in the bailout.

"If after five years ... the CBO decides that the American taxpayer has lost money in this, then there would be a fee on financial institutions," Pelosi said, adding that she hoped the provision could be part of a final bailout deal.

Pelosi said that the Secretary of the Treasury could determine how to assess the fee.

(Reporting by Richard Cowan)


Don't the idiots know the investment companies just pass these taxes/fees along to the investors?  They want to tax us to pay back the tax money they gave away.  Or, are they thinking only the wealthy invest so it's a hidden tax on them?
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Reply #102 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 9:38am
 
from Obey's letter:

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I was one of 57 members in the House who opposed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which was enacted during the FDR Administration.  Glass-Steagall was enacted to keep investment banking and community banking separate,...


If only 57 opposed, then investment and community banking become one: Bank of America has Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs conversely become community banks.



from Pelosi's statement:

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...there would be a fee on financial institutions,"...


which are now banks apparently.  The fee would somehow be incorporated into bank service fees.



Bob P wrote on Sep 28th, 2008 at 8:34am:
They want to tax us to pay back the tax money they gave away.


Hard to argue with, Bob.
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Reply #103 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:16am
 
Melissa wrote on Sep 27th, 2008 at 5:05pm:
I'm not going to say who did it though.  Ya'll need to find out who all it was... Tongue



Why, Melissa, I believe that this started with the Carter administration with the enactment of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.  The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law that requires banks and savings and loan associations to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as "redlining." The purpose of the CRA is to provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to under-served populations and commercial loans to small businesses. It has been subjected to important regulatory revisions.

The Clinton Administration furthered this fiasco by revising the CRA with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans..

So, do we continue to give home loans to people who most likely will not repay them, just to have someone *feel good*?  Or, do we tighten the qualifications for home loans and get rid of this idea of giving anyone who breathes a loan because they are *poor and downtrodden*?
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Reply #104 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:47am
 
No matter the original intent of these crappy loans, let's not forget that a great many that were generated in recent years went to individuals and consortiums who were speculating in the market during the recent hootenanny-- and not to poor, naive, and uncreditworthy first-time buyers.  

Low interest, interest only, and no-money-down to purchase a property (or to develop a subdivision of zillion dollar homes on spec that someone--surely--would buy...right?) Why not?  No downside--things go bad, you just walk away.  

Now the market's full of half-completed McMansions that no one will ever buy, and empty ghost-town subdivisions abandoned to the weeds.  Not to mention monstrances like this one where Credit Suisse ended up holding the bag:

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Just a local example, but it nicely illustrates what happens when easy money follows a speculative business plan that depends upon a real-estate market that spirals ever-larger into the stratosphere.  Sure--it was obviously insane, but that didn't keep some big players from heaving wads of cash at it.

My point is simply this:  I doubt that it's the folks at the bottom who account for the biggest portion of these dodgy, bundled loans--it's the players at the top who gambled with other people's money, and lost.

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Reply #105 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 3:09pm
 
There's that constant mantra of "personal responsibility" as the answer to everything. You and I are told that it's up to us to take care of our health care since business has been shifting away from it, 401Ks rather than pensions, credit cards....even sex education. We are on our own and are not to even think about bothering the powers that be with such nonsense. This kind of thing seems to stop at the market's edge though. They can't handle it and need us to let them avoid exercising any form of responsibility.

Some time ago Warren Buffett called these institutions that we are suppposed to bail out: "Financial weapons of mass destruction." Works for me.

The rant for less regulation started with Reagan and continues today. Along with that, they promised to shrink government. Reagan expanded it, Bush the First, Clinton, and Bush the Second to a degree not thought possible. Just keep out of the way and let the market fly. OK. here we are.

Woe is us. Nobody wants to sign on to this thing. They already are hated by the electorate.

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Reply #106 - Sep 28th, 2008 at 6:55pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:16am:
Melissa wrote on Sep 27th, 2008 at 5:05pm:
I'm not going to say who did it though.  Ya'll need to find out who all it was... Tongue



Why, Melissa, I believe that this started with the Carter administration with the enactment of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977.  The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law that requires banks and savings and loan associations to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as "redlining." The purpose of the CRA is to provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to under-served populations and commercial loans to small businesses. It has been subjected to important regulatory revisions.

The Clinton Administration furthered this fiasco by revising the CRA with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans..

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So, do we continue to give home loans to people who most likely will not repay them, just to have someone *feel good*?  Or, do we tighten the qualifications for home loans and get rid of this idea of giving anyone who breathes a loan because they are *poor and downtrodden*?

Well, I've been watching the current interest rates at a banking institution here and have noticed the rate has gone up .5% last week. NOT a good sign, but we'll see what happens this week. Undecided
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Reply #107 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:14am
 
What Mel's talking about:

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Reply #108 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 9:35am
 
Mel,

back in the 80s we went thru about this same thing and bailed out S&Ls to the tune of about 500 billion and things straightened up for a while. At that time interest rates were soaring at around 17-20% and we had overbuilt and people were filing bankruptcy at a really high rate. A lot of people went under and a lot of people got rich.

The oil business went to hell in a handbasket, but it all came back and we DEregulated everything so we had a false sense of security until now and wham! we got hit again.

We can blame everyone and no one... Depends on which spin you want to put on things, but it happens ever so many years and has since we've been here. History shows that.

I grew up hearing everything blamed on the repubs and lately all I've heard is the dems are to blame. What I've decided is BOTH are to blame or rather CONGRESS is to blame ALL OF THEM! They're all trying so damn hard to get reelected they FORGET what they're up there to do -- represent US. Until we get down to some good old fashioned GRASS ROOT politics - we're going to keep on being MISrepresented.

That's my 2 cents on the matter. I think this bailout is just a bandaide on a gapping wound and until we get to the Problem it's just going to come up again and again....

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