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Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:19pm
 
"AIG shares couldn’t sustain the momentum. AIG shares, fell 61 percent on Monday and fell as low as $1.25 on Tuesday. "

They say that you have to get in when the market is right, is this bail out going to send this stock UP in the next few years?

Ive never dabbled in this stock shit and was wondering if any of you folks know if it would be smart to buy at $1.25?....or if this company will go belly up even with the goverment help?

Seems to me that this gig is so big that the goverment cant afford it to go down and the stock will go back up.

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Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:38pm
 
My wife and I work in the financal sector I I guess I still do for a little bit yet). I've dabble in day trading for very small contracts (pennies sometimes) just to get the experience with the thought that maybe it will come in handy at some point.

I've also done some investing. I got in on Visa early and made a ton of money, then I lost a bunch of it back and once it was very stead I got out with 20% gain, which is great. Good thing to with my job going down the tubes as that is what I will need to live on. It will cover a few months of expenses but that is about all.

But I am all the way out now. The economic horizon is the worst in our history, period. The banks and lending insitutions are about to see thier worst nightmares realized.

It is getting so bad and looking to only get worse that I considered taking all of my money out of the bank and putting "under my mattress".

What happened over the last couple days is so huge I do know know if everyone comprehends how much trouble this spells. I myself do not prefess to be an expert but I will not be doing any investing for a long time to come.

People higher up in my wife's company are talking about a permanent shift in the way people live, predicting extended families moving back in together, teenagers helping to pay bills, people not communiting for a job and a huge switch back to unskilled labor positions just to get enough to eat. Yikes.

BUT, I could be wrong, the people I talk to could be wrong, and "the experts" could be wrong and all it takes is for someone to take the risk you are mentioning and become a millionaire in 10 years. I am a big believer in big danger / high risk means huge rewards.
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Reply #2 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:40pm
 
Jonny, I'm no expert, but free advice is tough to get. If you buy on free advice, and the stock goes up, the one that gave you the free advice gets nothing because you expected that advice to pan out. If the stock goes down, the advice-giver gets on your black-list and got nothing in return!

I'm getting hammered in the market. I've thought about selling now and taking the losses, and dumping what little is left into AIG. The US government is now the largest insurer in the world. Thing is, the government is going to change in 4 months and only god knows what the next administration will do with AIG.....
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Reply #3 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:48pm
 
superhawk2300 wrote on Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:38pm:
BUT, I could be wrong, the people I talk to could be wrong, and "the experts" could be wrong and all it takes is for someone to take the risk you are mentioning and become a millionaire in 10 years. I am a big believer in big danger / high risk means huge rewards.


Thats what im looking at, bro.....that couple few grand I can lay down and reap years later.

Im a huge risk taker and will with ONLY what I think I can. (Im not a fool) Cheesy


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Reply #4 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:58pm
 
That is the big thing I've learned (and the hard way) is always protect your downside first.

If you got the cash, and it wouldn't kill you to lose it, there should be plenty of opportunities coming up.

I think we have a LONG way to go, but if you are going to take such a risk doing it right before the election might not be a bad idea.
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Reply #5 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:11pm
 
The fundamental problem is so big that the outcome is impossible to predict.  The value of homes have dropped significantly.  That is a lot like a stock dropping. The overall value of the homes in America has literally dropped by billions (and billions) of dollars.  With a stock, that's bad news for the company and shareholders.  With home values, the problem is magnified immensely because mortgage backed securities are THE foundation of our economy.  When the value of the properties drop, the capital base of the entire nation shrinks, and these banks and institutions (like AIG) can't meet the debt repayment obligations, so they fail.  You can't simply declare that the homes are not dropping in value, so the problem spirals downward until the Fed starts hiking interest rates, which they are loathe to do.  We are in a meltdown.  The only question is how far down does this go... I think it's going to be at least 18-24 months before we start to see it get better.  This is going to get ugly.  Buying stocks right now is a ballsy, ballsy move my friend.
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Reply #6 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:15pm
 
Well, my money is now, and cwill always be, on land...the old expression, 'BUY DIRT" makes perfect sense to me, in any market!
How bout purchasing a rental house or duplex??
There's a finite amount of land on this here Earth.....just a thought.and prices are down right now!
Makes sense, I'm a realtor........
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Reply #7 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:17pm
 
Just an FYI...

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Who We Are
Travel Guard is the nation’s leading provider of travel insurance, assistance, and service plans, covering more than 6 million travelers worldwide each year. Based in Stevens Point, Wisconsin, Travel Guard International is a wholly owned subsidiary of AIG Travel Services, Inc., a member company of American International Group, Inc (AIG). With more than 97,000 employees in 130 countries and jurisdictions, Travel Guard/AIG makes a difference everyday for its customers and the communities it serves.

Why Travel Guard?
Travel Guard’s value-based approach to doing business, combined with its unrivaled customer service, has helped the company attract highly skilled, multilingual employees who enjoy providing high touch customer care solutions for leisure and corporate clients around the world. Each employee is empowered to make decisions and suggestions in the best interest of the customer, and are rewarded for individual performance as well as helping achieve company goals.
Travel Guard offers competitive wages, schedule flexibility, in-depth career and professional growth training, a comprehensive benefits package and more. Benefits include: medical, dental, vision, 401(K), Steven Covey's 7Habits leadership training, an innovative wellness program, and on-site childcare. As a well-rounded, family-friendly company, Travel Guard strives to provide the best work environment for employees to maximize their professional experience. As a result, Travel Guard was named one of the "100 Best Companies for Working Mothers" by Working Mother Magazine.


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Reply #8 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:17pm
 
I with  Cathi. Only so much land.

And makes sense, I'm in title insurance (for now at least).

If you do buy property anywhere in the US I ask that you use Stewart Title for your title insurance needs!
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Reply #9 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:32pm
 
Well..
AIG is being helped by the Feds which means the gov't will have a stake of 79.x % of the company.  It's been a couple of very very stressful days in this industry, and being close to the decision makers, you get to understand exactly how harsh the impact just may be- its like waiting for the wave to crash on your head.. you see it coming, and there's not much you can do. Tuesday felt like Friday around the office, and today was just - worse than Monday and Tuesday.  

At least Lehman Bros. is being cherry-picked by Barclays in an eleventh hour decision of yesterday.  But AIG going under would have had deep-reaching effects, all the way from big business to average joe, so if you want to dabble, it might be better to hold off, or put a lot less than all of your eggs in one basket.  Personally, I'd wait for some steady movement upwards before deciding anything.  

edit: you know, just heard Morgan Stanley is in merger talks with Wachovia, and that now leaves Goldman Sachs amongst the big ones.  Maybe Cathi was right, forget stocks man, I'm just hoping to keep my job alive, even with a pay cut! Undecided
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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:46pm
 
thats a tough call.  If you just have money to play with, I would say buy both FNM and FRE.  AIG may be too big for even the government to bail out.  I dont think the $85Billion the government just gave them is going to make it much better. 
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are small enough that the government will want to keep them around to help people buy homes.  Private banks lend the money, Fannie and Freedie just insure it.  It may be years before they write all this crap down, and it will take years until the government is done re-writing all the mortgage lending crap.  I think that if FRE and FNM are still around, they will be worth a hell of a lot more than they are today.  Both stocks have been over $60 a share in the last 12 months, now they are trading for less than $0.50 cents.  Book value for these companies is about that much. 
I would bet if you bought 1000 shares of each it would be worth $20k in the next 10 years.  1000 shares of each would cost about $750.

Or, it could be worth $0. 

You never know.   Cool
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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:33am
 
I can't think of a better way to raise prices on everything guys like me need, than to print up more money like they're doing now in D.C.

Other than that, I'm so far behind the curve when it comes to money that I forgot what it looks like.

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Reply #12 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:52am
 
Charlie wrote on Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:33am:


Other than that, I'm so far behind the curve when it comes to money that I forgot what it looks like.

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maybe gw could bail ya out Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:59am
 
Nah, Jonny. Not me. Like it was said in Denver; they will always bail out Smith-Barney, but not Barney Smith.  Cool

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Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 1:03am
 
-johnny- wrote on Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:52am:
maybe gw could bail ya out Roll Eyes


Only if you're "too big to fail".   Huh

Don't know about you all, but I don't think I qualify.

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superhawk2300 wrote on Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:38pm:
BUT, I could be wrong, the people I talk to could be wrong, and "the experts" could be wrong and all it takes is for someone to take the risk you are mentioning and become a millionaire in 10 years. I am a big believer in big danger / high risk means huge rewards.


Thats what im looking at, bro.....that couple few grand I can lay down and reap years later.

Im a huge risk taker and will with ONLY what I think I can. (Im not a fool) Cheesy



what about investing in gold?

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Reply #16 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 1:49am
 
I don't know what to say Jonny. I guess if you had some money that you really did not sweat loosing you might take a shot.  I got out months ago and wished I would have done so earlier...like last December when I started to get nervous. Good luck.

The complexity of what's happening now is so incomprehensible. I fear the impact on our near future and the future of our children in serious jeopardy.  The Fed just keeps pumping out the cash and the debt to go along with it.  Hyperinflation anyone?

On a lighter note...I was wondering the other day. Since the value of my house has plummeted, will my assessment be lowered resulting in less property taxes?  I don't think so.

Oh yea...Happy birthday to the US Constitution.

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Reply #17 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 2:10am
 
stevegeebe wrote on Sep 18th, 2008 at 1:49am:
Since the value of my house has plummeted, will my assessment be lowered resulting in less property taxes?  I don't think so.


Actually, here in California, you can be reassessed and your taxes will go down.  We didn't even request an adjustment, but they sent us a new lower assessment and our tax bill went down quite a bit.  For people who have not been reassessed, they can request it.  Some counties are overwhelmed with requests and not eager to speed up their response, YMMV of course.

This is one of the reasons municipalities are getting in trouble.  The tax base that supports their budgets is literally drying up, but appetites for spending are increasing all the time.


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From Reuters:

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STEVENS POINT, Wis., June 6 /PRNewswire/ -- AIG Travel Guard employees
celebrated the official groundbreaking of their new worldwide headquarters
this morning and were joined by a number of local Stevens Point and Portage
County leaders, as well as executives from AIG's New York headquarters.  The
ceremony marked the official start of construction on the new 125,000
square-foot AIG Travel Guard world headquarters building, located in the
Northeast corner of Interstate 39 and County Highway HH intersection.
    The new building will house over 750 current and future AIG Travel Guard
employees from Stevens Point and surrounding areas.  "We are very, very proud
to be part of this wonderful organization," said John Noel, CEO of AIG Travel
Guard.  "And we are very proud that AIG is investing in our company and our
community.  AIG appreciates the quality, professionalism and enthusiasm of the
AIG Travel Guard employees we have here.  That's why we are breaking ground
for a new headquarters right here in Stevens Point, Wisconsin."
Steve Gold, President and Chief Executive Officer, AIG Accident & Health,
said that AIG Travel Guard, "has built an impressive reputation for customer
service."  He added that the new building, "will support not only the growing
business of AIG Travel Guard, but will also provide critical support for other
AIG operations throughout the world."
    In addition to the traditional groundbreaking with shovels, a time capsule
containing historic Travel Guard mementos was presented for the building's
cornerstone.
    Construction on AIG Travel Guard's world headquarters is scheduled for
completion in June 2009.  The building is being designed to be an
environmentally responsible and healthy place to work.
    "The building will incorporate many sustainable elements designed to
minimize environmental impact, and reduce the depletion of resources including
energy, water and raw materials," explained Jeff Rutledge, President, AIG
Travel, Inc. "We will be good stewards of the environment and follow strict
guidelines to ensure that our new building receives LEED certification."  The
LEED(R) (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) Green Building Rating
System is the U.S. Green Building Council's national standard for developing
high-performance, sustainable buildings.
    TOLD Development, a Midwest firm that developed the Crossroads Commons
Retail Center, located at the southeast quadrant of I39 and CTH HH in Plover
will construct and own the facility.  Local company, Ellis Stone Construction,
will provide design, construction management and general construction services
for the project.
    AIG Travel Guard is one of America's leading providers of travel insurance
plans for more than 6 million travelers each year. Travel insurance plans
through AIG Travel Guard are distributed by more than 12,000 travel agents
across the United States.
    AIG Travel Guard is a wholly owned subsidiary of AIG Travel, Inc., a
member company of American International Group, Inc. (AIG). American
International Group, Inc. (AIG), a world leader in insurance and financial
services, is the leading international insurance organization with operations
in more than 130 countries and jurisdictions.  AIG companies serve commercial,
institutional and individual customers through the most extensive worldwide
property-casualty and life insurance networks of any insurer.  In addition,
AIG companies are leading providers of retirement services, financial services
and asset management around the world.  AIG's common stock is listed on the
New York Stock Exchange, as well as the stock exchanges in Paris and Tokyo.
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Reply #19 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 8:09am
 
Redd- John Noel sold out to AIG.  I'd talk more about it, but I'd have a biased opinion as I worked there for almost 3 years when Lily was very young.
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When the price of Crude Oil is dropping and the price of Gold is soaring it is an indicator that the economy as a whole is in trouble, the world money market is crumbling and other countries don't have the confidence that we will have the money to buy their products in the near future.
      11 of the largest banks in the world set up a $7 billion consortium fund to make funds available to each other in the event one of the 11 needs bailing out, I would say, given that the FDIC only insures up to $100,000.00 and this is the safe guard to keep the country from going into a depression again, Better get your funds secure now while you can still get them at all!
      If you are fortunate enough to have over $100,000.00 in any account, better spread it out into multiple accounts now!
      We are teetering on the verge of a total financial collapse of our banking system in this country.  Some very lean and severely bad times could be just weeks away from reality.
      Or that's my slant on it anyhow, but what do I know, I'm just a disabled Vet and a cluster head!    John
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Reply #21 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 8:41am
 
John, my Grandma predicted a couple months ago that we'd end up going into a depression.  I think I'm going to go and talk to her soon about what we should do with our finances!!
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Reply #22 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 8:44am
 
I heard that a fund or two or other money ghouls are letting you park your cash with them at zero interest just to show us what regular Joes they are and always willing to help during a crisis by offering a safe haven.

I'd like to calm them down with a few "deposits" in their skulls.

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Reply #23 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:48am
 
I'm with a few others here who say buy land (unfortunately, land values are exorbitant in most places).  My grandaddy always told me that land was the best buy you could make, simply for the fact that ain't nobody making any more.  Plus, even though land values may drop in the short run (although not nearly as much as structural values), it will always go back up.
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Reply #24 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:54am
 
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“[Barack] Obama... blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the ‘trickle-down’ economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend. But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street’s most revered institutions. Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties. The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but ‘predatory.’ Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the ‘90s by Clinton and his social engineers.” —Investor’s Business Daily


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