I'm so tired of personal slander in this campaign. Who cares anymore what happened in the 60s? Most of us would just as soon forget it. It was a bad time for our country. A lot of people did things that were not right because it's what we thought was right at the time. That was over 40 years ago. WE GREW UP - we ARE different now....

Today we have NOW issues... Our economy has just fallen apart and we NEED to talk about that - not who we might know and what they were doing 40 years ago or who we met with in the 80s that we might have influenced Congress in their favor.

My question to Sen. McCain would be -- if you're such a Mavrick, WHY did you vote for a bill with 150 Billion in PORK in it. Why didn't you raise holy hell about the pork in it and vote AGAINST it? This bill just added to bigger govt. and hurt the little people that you're saying you're going to help. It's exactly what you've been campaigning against for the past year or so.

And Sen. Obama why didn't you do the same? It's a BAD bill. Why didn't you come up with a Better Idea for a bailout? What's this going to do for ME?

The hell with name calling - let's get back down to basics.

Hugs BD

Character is always an issue.

Because NONE of them would get elected if we knew where they actually stood on the issues that matter to most of us.  If you can't be the best, make your opponent look the worst. 

I didn't like McCain before he got the Republican nomination.  That hasn't changed, but I also can't in good conscience vote for a young idealistic socialist for president.  Change is only good if it is change for the better.  I don't see pushing the US farther down the socialist path as being better.

I am not a member of any political party.  I read and research and vote for who I think is the better of the candidates (or in this case - the lesser of two evils).  If there were a viable third party candidate with a chance of winning, I might readily vote for him or her, but right now the independents only serve to draw votes away from one candidate or another and I'm won't throw away my vote and help send this country to hell to make a political statement.

Bob and Gator,

I couldn't have said it better.  How about you two run?

Jerry

I sincerely believe that the left wing nutjobs that run our media machine will be responsible for electing our next glorious leader.  Anybody with half an ounce of common sense would realize that Obama is a socialist.  Lefties want a socialist in office, so it doesn't matter to them.  The problem is the people in the middle who don't understand just how bad socialism is and what it will do to America.

Okay, Charlie, Obama isn't a socialist...he's a liberal. 

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The end result of splitting that liberal/socialist hair and blindly accepting the liberal (read - socialist) agenda is that America will end up as a third-world communist nation and we'll all be scratching our heads wondering how it happened.

superhawk2300 wrote on Oct 6^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:



That was a totally clueless comment.  First of all, I didn't make any money in the stock market.  If you bothered to read my posts, instead of deciding I'm part of some elite class of millionaire, you'd know.  What the fuck makes you think I was taxed at a lower rate than 'working wages'?  How many times do I have to explain this shit?  I was taxed at an obscenely HIGHER rate than working wages (whatever that is).  DO THE MATH.  I didn't keep anything at all... not my home, not my business, not my RV, not my cars.  Nothing.  Oh, but I did get a nice fat tax bill for money I didn't ever see or spend.

Spare your class-envy bullshit for somebody who deserves it.

What's ironic here is I am carrying a captial loss of millions of dollars which I can write off at a rate of $3000 per year until I'm about 3 million years old.  What that means (silver lining) is I can make capital gains and not pay any taxes for a long, long, long time.  So, my pissing and moaning about this really isn't about the taxes I am going to pay, because I've already paid them for the next $10 million of captial gains.

I guess that makes me a rich bastard.

Charlie,

Bringing up the people I did is quite relevant because it helps explain the roots and purpose of the socialist agenda to those young liberals who may not be aware of where their leaders are trying to blindly take them.  The Soviets believed they could bring about the end of this country by corrupting just one generation of our youth.  I believe that was what the 60's was all about.  The seeds of our destruction have already been planted.  We have to choose to not to cultivate them.  Unfortunately, the momentum is slowly swaying in their favor because of the apathy of the American people.  The old Soviet Union is gone, but the damage they sought to cause still looms in our future.

As to talking about Obama, the Republicans know they have to tread lightly on him or be accused of launching racial attacks.  Sarah Palin's statements about Obama's association with the admitted and unrepentant terrorist Ayers, while true, have already been denounced as being racially motivated.  You can bet your sweet ass that if McCain associated with a known abortion clinic bomber, it would be relevant to show his character, but Obama's knowingly associating with Ayers is an irrelevant racial attack.  Yeah, right.   

The Obama campaign have no such constraints hampering their attacks on McCain.  Old white men are fair game for anything.  All the ills in the world can be laid at the feet of old (or dead) white men.   

Liberal = Socialist = Communist?   I don't think so.

And if those Wall Street money geniuses didn't keep crashing the economy, we could get by with little regulation and without a 'New Deal' ... but history has shown that we go through cycles of irrational exuberance, where they kite up $20 of derivatives for every dollar of real wealth, they pocket their share, and things fall apart. 

It has been brought up, but is a non-issue.

The independent council that investigated the matter recommended that McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. The Ethics Panel disagreed and in February 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than "poor judgment," the committee said, and declared his actions were not "improper nor attended with gross negligence."

BarbaraD wrote on Oct 6^th, 2008 at 9:46am:


PORK - EARMARKS, call it what you want.  The reason many really good bills are voted against is because of the PORK add ons.  Example, let's say there is a really good, needed bill guaranteeing that all children get health care.  Who would vote against something like that???  Well, now let's take that really good bill, and have Senator Joe Blow tack on his little million or two to grow a Marigold garden in his state capita.  Then Senator Jane Dumwit tacks on her few million for research into why frogs croak in her state.  And on and on. 

At this time, with all the PORK added to a really good and needed bill, all congress has to look at the entire bill and think to themselves "well, if I vote for it I'm a hero because children's health care is necessary.  But, if I vote against it because of all the crap that has been added that adds additional tax to the American Public, I will be thought of as someone who either doesn't care about childrens health care, or someone who doesn't care about adding more tax to the American public". 

So before you castigate those in congress who vote NO on a really necessary bill, check what PORK was added to that bill.

I don't know if it requires an amendment to the constitution or not, but, in my humble taxpayer opinion.....

If there is a bill on the table that has to be debated and voted on.....
that bill is the ONLY thing to be voted on - up or down.  NO PORK.  NO EARMARKS.

If some Senator or congressman has a special little "something" he or she wants my tax dollars to pay for - present a bill for it - all by itself, and let both house and senate vote yea or nay.  It must stand on it's own.

Here was my thought just last night on this subject.  Let's pull up every bill in 2008 that house and senate voted on and read it from top to bottom.  Make a list of each piece of PORK added to that bill and how much that PORK cost the American taxpayer.  Then, divide the total amount of PORK on the bill by the number of taxpayers.  Total up for the entire year.  When we all file our tax returns, deduce our fair share of the PORK spending.  If the IRS howls and tries to come after us, tell them to kiss our butts.

Sandy


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I'll be right behind you in that line at the IRS - about 25 people behind you, but I'll be behind you. Cheering you on. Go, Sandy! Give 'em what-for! Kiss Sandy's butt!

I'll be the one positioned just outside the door.