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Re: Obama RICO investigation
Reply #25 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 10:58pm
 
That ACORN is under investigation in 12 states (care to guess which ones?...the swing states? You are correct sir) for their voting fraud/irregularities is downright shocking. The old phrase for the Democrats keeps ringing in our ears:

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Reply #26 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 11:12pm
 
I've never forgotten that the Republicans  say "Don't vote!"
It's the only way they can win and they admit it.

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Reply #27 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:04am
 
Charlie, you're just wrong on this.  Democrats own voter fraud.
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Reply #28 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 1:44am
 
Democrats and Republicans both have had their curious voter registration schemes where people surprisingly voted in alphabetical order and names were taken from gravestones. Both parties did this in the past. The Republicans are the ones using partisan election officials in Florida to steal the election for Bush. What a surprise that this happened in the state where George Bush's brother was governor. Republicans are sending scare letters to newly registered Democrats telling them that state police will be in force looking very closely at new voters if they go to the polls and writing new voters in Michigan that they need not vote because of fake mistakes in registrations and polling qualifications.

The GOP has done much more damage to voting rights than Democrats. The Democrats have had to spend all their time trying to repair this damage while for some reason, people actually by into the Republican fantasy about this. Amazing.

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Reply #29 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 2:07am
 
State police "looking" at new voters?  OMG  How scary.  Not!  But then again, if you ain't doing nothing wrong, that's not much of a threat.  I wish they really would stand at the head of each voter sign in line and check photo id's against the voter registration roster and arrest anyone they caught trying to vote illegally.

When I go up to vote, I take out my ID and voter registration card and hand them to the person checking me in.  Always have.  Always will whether it's required or not.  IMHO, it ought to be mandatory everywhere.

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Reply #30 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 2:35am
 
You should have to pass a test to get a license to vote:

Items on the test:

- The Constitution and Bill of Rights
- Your local, state, and federal government, basic principles
- Basic knowledge of our tax system (i.e. what really happen when we approve a 50B bond to pay for new roads?)

A person should not have to prove he has left/right/center views on anything, just that they know what the difference is.

But then again, as I've said before, the Republic of Nunley would require licenses for many things... a license to vote, a license to drive, a license to have a public job, a license to have children, etc.
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Reply #31 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 9:29am
 
We are required to present a picture ID (they don't check our registration cards because we know most of them and have voted in the same place for 20 some odd years).  In one of our previous elections, they did stop a man from voting until they could verify his information.

On the flip side, you get into south Louisiana and we have more dead people voting than any other state.  Yes, you heard right, dead people voting (and this was primarily engineered by the Democratic party~Louisiana is probably one of the most corrupt states around when it comes to voter fraud).

Remember, I think it was last year, when there was a huge move to make it mandatory for voters to present a picture ID when voting?  All I heard was that it would disenfranchise too many voters because (a) they wouldn't be able to get to where they needed a picture id (makes you wonder how they cash checks or do anything requiring an id) and/or (b)they couldn't afford it.  Well that was countered with, (a) set up mobile units or provide transportation and (b) waive the fees.  Nothing was ever done.
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Reply #32 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 9:33am
 
Photo ID became necessary in NY too.

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Reply #33 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 9:38am
 
NEVER HAD TO SHOW ID TO VOTE IN PHILLY.  NOT ONCE. NOT SURPRISING CAUSE THIS CITY WILL NEVER GET ITS ACT TOGETHER
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Reply #34 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 10:05am
 
I can't vote in the US yet, but in CAnada, you *had* to show ID to vote - or you didn't vote.  I'm astounded that the US doesn't require some proof of you are who you say you are to protect one of the constitutions great franchises.

That both major parties play these games is no surprise nor nothing new, nor is it going to change until the people make it change.  JMHO

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as a side note, I've stayed out of most every political thread for the entire time I've been on ch.com, some 8+ years now - why I've decided to get into the mud now - well - there's too much at stake - I don't want to see this country fall down, and I see the only way as the American people using their constitution and it's rights and privileges to take back their country.
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Re: Obama RICO investigation
Reply #35 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 11:42am
 
i only have to show my ID the first time I vote each day.  Sometimes the 50th time they'll ask for ID just to make sure Im voting for the right person.
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Reply #36 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:30pm
 
catlind wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 10:05am:
I don't want to see this country fall down, and I see the only way as the American people using their constitution and it's rights and privileges to take back their country.


It's too bad not enough "citizens" share your vision and passion.....  Undecided


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Reply #37 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 3:02pm
 
This is called food for thought....Think about it !!!

This election has me very worried.  So many things to consider.
About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than.  I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another.  I must say this drives my husband crazy.  But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.  About six months ago, I started thinking "where did the money come from for Obama".  I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight.  We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans. I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California.  He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. "Barry" (that was the name
he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.  During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a "round the world"
trip.  Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.
My question - Where did he get the money for this trip?  Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in college.  When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York.  It is at this time he  wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.  Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia?  It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money for tuition?  Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000. a year.  Why Chicago?  Why not New York? He was already living in New York.

By "chance"  he met Antoin "Tony" Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago.  Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year.  Rezko, was named "Entrepreneur of the Decade"
by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association".  About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School.  Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School?  Where did he get the
money for Law School?  More student loans?  After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down.  But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what?  They represented "Rezar" which Rezko's firm.  Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago.  In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing
Obama with "seed money"  for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price).  With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he
get the money for the property?  On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased.  Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President.  Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss.  She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first.  Where was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran!  Do we see a pattern here?
Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was "sacked" after the press found out he was having regular contacts with Hamas", which controls Gaza (Remember the campaign contributions his campaign tried to hide under the state of Ga. which really were from the Gaza Strip) and is connected with Iran.  This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will "Take care of things".
(Basically what he said was don't make any deals with the current president but wait until the new President is elected and he also spoke to a high ranking military official and ask him not to make any major decisions about the war until the new president is elected.) I
wonder who he thought that was going to be?

Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in Pakistan?  They are in charge of all those "small" Internet campaign contribution for Obama.  Where is that money coming from?  The poor
and middle class in this country?  Or could it be from the Middle East?  ( Like the affore mentioned Gaza Strip where it is documented he received contributions and tried to conceal them under the state of Ga.).  My friends, it is illegal to accept contributions from anyone
other than a U.S. citizen, so why was nothing done about this?


And the final bit of news.  On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanapoulos.  Obama on talking about his religion said, " My Muslim faith".  When questioned, "did he make a mistake".  Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line.  If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington
Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this?  Because they do not want him to lose the election and this blows my mind, and I am not sure why it does not have that effect on other American Citizens.

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - "Beware of the enemy from within"!!!
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Reply #38 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 3:11pm
 
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere on the board, but I didn't see it on this thread, so here's McCain's latest ACORN ad:

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Reply #39 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 3:30pm
 
Here's a bribed 'voter' admitting to registering 72 times. Likely he dropped the number to make it look 'reasonable'. It's clear to which party all his votes are all going.


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Part two is just to the right of the video!  Wink
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Reply #41 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 4:28pm
 
Who knows? The way I see it... if someone from any side of the aisle wanted to sabotage ACORN all they'd have to do is register over and over as the party they wanted to incriminate and then blow the whistle, point fingers and cry foul.

As a leader of a party or the country it's important to show a calm steady hand and level head during troubling times... Not insight a riot... I'm troubled by the way the republican party is using fear tactics in an attempt to win yet another election.... It's the same tactics they used when they screamed "Weapons of mass destruction"

I can't recall who on the board uses the tag line but it is very relevant during this campaign. "Adversity does not build character, it reveals it."

I was on the fence with my vote.... but after watching McCains Campaign unfold with all of the hate and fear speech.. I'm more and more apt to vote for another candidate.

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Reply #42 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 4:31pm
 
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Who knows? The way I see it... if someone from any side of the aisle wanted to sabotage ACORN all they'd have to do is register over and over as the party they wanted to incriminate and then blow the whistle, point fingers and cry foul.


Do you watch the news, Tony?

All these people are pointing at Acorn!....LOL Wink




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Reply #44 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 5:04pm
 
So, you can't talk about the reasons to be afraid of Obama, period.  How crazy is that?  I am glad McCain has finally started talking about why we NEED to be scared of this guy. He is not the Messiah.

If he wants the job as President, why doesn't he have to answer any questions about his past?

Do you personally know any person who has bombed a building, ever?

If you did, would you do business with them?  Sit on a board with them?  Have a fund raiser in their house?

Pretty simple questions, but we aren't allowed to ask them.

Yeah, it's all fear mongering.

I'm afraid.
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In the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, no, no, no........It aint hate and fear, its truth! Wink
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Do you personally know any person who has bombed a building, ever?

If you did, would you do business with them?  Sit on a board with them?  Have a fund raiser in their house?

Pretty simple questions, but we aren't allowed to ask them.

Yeah, it's all fear mongering.

I'm afraid.


Can you say 'Shock and Awe"?
I guess you just answered your own question.... Mission accomplished!

ROFLMFAO

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Reply #47 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 5:37pm
 
notseinfeld wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 3:30pm:
Here's a bribed 'voter' admitting to registering 72 times. Likely he dropped the number to make it look 'reasonable'. It's clear to which party all his votes are all going.


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Did you bother to read the article?  Is your grey matter working? He applied 72 times with the same information - which gets him one vote.  The information you provided was not proof of any attempt to steal the elections - to the contrary, it was proof that someone was stealing money from Acorn.

Financial incentives led some of the canvassers to improperly get anyone to fill out a form, to have people fill out multiple forms, and to fill out forms with fictitious names - the more forms they turned in, the more they got paid.  That is fraudulent and should be prosecuted - to protect the election process, and to protect the employer who was victimized by their actions (Acorn).  But it's not likely that any one called Mick E. Maus, Joe D. Maggio and 'djfdksdl dkfjsdldfds' will show up to vote.
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monty wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 5:37pm:
notseinfeld wrote on Oct 10th, 2008 at 3:30pm:
Here's a bribed 'voter' admitting to registering 72 times. Likely he dropped the number to make it look 'reasonable'. It's clear to which party all his votes are all going.


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Did you bother to read the article?  Is your grey matter working? He applied 72 times with the same information - which gets him one vote.  The information you provided was not proof of any attempt to steal the elections - to the contrary, it was proof that someone was stealing money from Acorn.

Financial incentives led some of the canvassers to improperly get anyone to fill out a form, to have people fill out multiple forms, and to fill out forms with fictitious names - the more forms they turned in, the more they got paid.  That is fraudulent and should be prosecuted - to protect the election process, and to protect the employer who was victimized by their actions (Acorn).  But it's not likely that any one called Mick E. Maus, Joe D. Maggio and 'djfdksdl dkfjsdldfds' will show up to vote.


I guess all the charges of voter fraud in the past means nothing, right?

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No, I wouldn't say that.  Regardless of party or who is running, I think elections should be fair. I am for requiring an ID card to vote.  There needs to be oversight of who votes, and how the votes are counted.

Quote:
Hack-a-vote: Students Learn How Vulnerable Electronic Voting Really Is

ScienceDaily (Oct. 8, 2008) — Undergraduate and graduate students in an advanced computer security course at Rice University in Houston are learning hands-on just how easy it is to wreak havoc on computer software used in today's voting machines.

As part of his advanced computer science class, Rice University Associate Professor and Director of Rice's Computer Security Lab Dan Wallach tests his students in a unique real-life experiment: They are instructed to do their very best to rig a voting machine in the classroom.

Here's how the experiment works:

Wallach splits his class into teams. In phase one, the teams pretend to be unscrupulous programmers at a voting machine company. Their task: Make subtle changes to the machines' software -- changes that will alter the election's outcome but that cannot be detected by election officials.

In the second phase of the experiment, the teams are told to play the part of the election's software regulators. Their task is to certify the code submitted by another team in the first phase of the class.

"What we've found is that it's very easy to insert subtle changes to the voting machine," Wallach said. "If someone has access and wants to do damage, it's very straightforward to do it."


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