monty wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 5:54pm:


Then I guess your post was crap, seeing that you didnt take into (or forgot to)consideration that acorn has been under investigation for years, no?

Wow, all this anti-Obama.  What about McCain? He has nowhere near a clean past.  Basically everything Obama's being accused of can be thrown right back at McCain.  What about the litigations concerning voter fraud with the machines that is linked to Karl Rove?  Karl Rove actually included a journalist in the mass emails he sent out to all his "cronies" which included thousands and thousands of names of urban minorities in high democratic areas.  The GOP in Michigan said they're planning on refusing to allow people who are on the foreclosure list to vote.  They also said there would be police present to arrest anyone who has a warrant in hopes that poor democratic minorities don't even show up. 

Everyone's talking about how 'scared' they are because Obama seems more socialist.  A little socialism doesn't hurt when the country's falling apart.  I admit, there is a very fine line between socialism and communism though.  What worries me is all the power Bush has already given himself.  Someone said vote McCain to counter the democratic congress....McCain would still have incredible powers and whether he wants to admit it or not, he's voted with Bush 90% of the time, he'd be like Bush on steroids.  He's an angry, war-hungry old man.  He's already accomplished pissing off Russia and he's not even in office yet. 

This may be a little off topic, but what a lot of people aren't realizing is that we're on a very fast ride to fascism.  Bush has already given himself power to declare martial law, subsequently putting the Constitution aside (that would mean no election and no new president taking office).  FEMA officials said that the Bush administration is currently putting the final touches on the plan to declare martial law, including triggers:  economic collapse with massive social unrest, bank closures resulting in violence against financial institutions, and another fraudulent presidential election that would result in rioting in major cities and campuses around the country, that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world and that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government.  As of October 1, there's an Army Brigade stationed in the US to assist FEMA and local law enforcement. 

Audre wrote on Oct 10^th, 2008 at 6:47pm:


Wow....I can't believe I just read that from someone who is a US citizen and has read the Declaration and the Constitution....WOW.....I'm dumbfounded.....

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"In 2004, the compiled tabulation of Ohio's electronic vote was deisgned for Secretary of State Blackwell by Michael Connell, a Bush family loyalist who programmed the Bush-Cheney web site in the 2000 election. Connell directed the Ohio vote count to servers in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which also housed e-mail traffic for the White House. Thousands of emails from Karl Rove and other key Bush Administration operatives have mysteriously disappeared from servers in this basement. Many worked side-by-side with the Connell-designed ones to which Ohio's official election results were outsourced, under supervision by Rove and Blackwell.

Like Rove, Connell now works for the McCain/Palin campaign. An IT associate, Steve Spoonamore, himself a McCain supporter, has stated that Connell's IT apparatus can be used to steal elections. Attempts to force Connell to testify under oath have thus far been successfully resisted by the GOP."

Cat, I'm not saying let's throw out the Constitution.  I'm meaning that, as we can tell by the bailout, the the current government isn't about the people, it's about these big businesses and their own pockets.  It wouldn't hurt us to do something for the people, for once, to stimulate the economy and jobs.  If you look at Michigan, before everything hit the fan, we had the highest unemployment rate and foreclosures.  Bailing out these financial institutions does nothing for Michigan's economy.  JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.  There's already socialistic examples in the US, why is it bad to do something to help curb what a lot are saying is going to turn into a depression?

If Obama wins in Nov we will have an Obama-nation  when we head further down the path of socialism.  Kiss your individual freedoms good by.  You will become the worker ant.  (or more so)

-P.

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Nope FB it doesn't hurt......it kills like a cancer.....from the inside out!
Strip away the individuality of a society, take away the will-the need to better ones self and you get worker ants!

-P.

I have a son about the age of Obama and I just want to throw in a line here.... When my son was in boarding school he had a room-mate from Pakistan. My son was invited to visit Pakistan and Zermish's family there (his father was a high goverment official). Things happened and Buddy never got over there, but I thought it would have be a great educational trip for him (they offered the ticket). Zermish visited our home numerous times and we thought nothing about it and enjoyed him. He and Buddy stayed in touch for a number of years after school.

I don't think my son is a terrorist or has leanings toward it and would be offended if anyone even hinted at it.

What I'm getting at is that sometimes things taken out of context (or that you just don't know the whole story) is just not how it "really" was and might not be the "whole" truth and just looks "odd" to someone who doesn't know what "really" happened.

Lordy! My mom and I met a guy in Frankfort one year from Syria and she (for some reason) gave him a business card and for about 10 years she got a card every year about New Year's in Arabic from him. does that make her a terrorist?

Oh well, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I've got mine.

Hugs BD

BarbaraD wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 11:05am:



Melissa wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 10:22am:


It might be unknown though if Audre was actually a Ron Paul supporter and asked not to vote.  Just a change of thought.
 

Kevin_M wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 11:48am:


For a Ron Paul supporter to make a statement like "A little socialism doesn't hurt...", (s)he would have to be at least a little bit schizo.  That'd be about like the President of M.A.D.D. saying that a little bit of drunk driving is OK as long as you only do it on weekends. 

Regards,
Jim

Here is a blog post that was made back in 2005 that I tend to agree with on what is wrong with socialism.

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Audre wrote on Oct 11^th, 2008 at 1:05pm:


You damn right you do! 

Well Audre, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I strongly believe that the federal government has no right to interfere in such matters and that it should be left up to our state governments to do so.

~mel

Fubar --  Bring on the Feds... I'll argue with them too.. and my money's on Charlie...   They don't have a chance with him...

The funny part - when I was growing up I learned to argue with Dad at the coffee shop and could take any viewpoint as long as it disagreed with the "majority" sitting around the table... I'd been gone about 30 years and went back to the coffee shop in my hometown and the old guys were all agreeing - It just came natural to start disagreeing and boy did it get some blood pressurers up. They had a great time. One of the "newbies" got mad and the "old guys" had to straighten him out (after they quit laughing).

I've been watching both sides for the past decade (has it only been months - seems like decades) and giving them BOTH advice on what they should have done or said (to the TV of course). I just think it's fun...

Of course if they'd listen to me... 

Hugs BD