That there is quite a number of Americans who truely believe in socialism.

I think I'm going to cry...

And the public schools just keep cranking out good little socialists . . . .

You know that website you put up a few threads back - it's really spooky when you read that stuff -- the REASONS we broke away from England.

Mel, maybe we're just not "smart" enough to understand what our "leaders" are trying to tell us is GOOD FOR US.

It just scares the devil out of me to think of the world our kids and grandkids are inheriting. Just wish this was one time we could have a "do over"....

Hugs BD

I have come to realise, .
That the idea my brother and his wife had of giveing each ' American ' a million dollars, costing approx 300 million dollars.
Was a good one.
As opposed to bailing out the banks, costing..........Loads !
Letting the people drive the economy. andrew

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Yep Mel. Come on down. We all have guns with hardly any restrictions. Our tax base is pretty good too, at least after hearing some of you talk about taxes in your state.

As far as the gov't protecting us from invaders, we don't need the gov't, we can handle that ourselves.

PS.....our schools don't teach socialism either.

Kevin, I'm all for helping those who help themselves, or helping those who honestly cannot due to being too elderly, injured or displaced, but why or why do I have to help those who take advantage of the system?  Where is the limit to that?  Is that fair to me and my family?  Why is it I do not have a say in where my money goes?  Why is it we have a Constitution??  What is the point? 

My husband works in the paper mill.  They are union.  He works twice as hard as 1/2 the people who work on the machines, and yet they all get the same treatment.  There have been people who have made life threatening choices due to their performance who were not fired due to it being Union!!  You could say it's his choice to work there, but why should he have to sacrifice his job and great work ethic and the one who is taking advantage of the situation, is not?

I don't see how the whole unemployment benefit fits into this topic, but I don't have a problem with extending it.  That is something that is valuable, as those people had jobs and lost them due to no fault of their own.  But what will be the celing on it all?  At what point do you say enough is enough?  Till we have no choices left?

Sorry, I should have elaborated.  What I was talking about is that there are groups of Americans who don't find anything wrong at all with socialism on a large scale that doesn't have anything to do with environmental causes.  (hope I termed that correctly)

Melissa wrote on Oct 16^th, 2008 at 6:59pm:


Using hospital emergency as a health care plan can be common for low income jobs whose employers don't offer insurance.  Don't know if that's socialism.  

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There's that fancy math again.  If you gave each American ONE dollar, that would be $300million.  If you gave a million, that would be 300 trillion.

The fact they won't be giving me a million bucks sucks!!!

Melissa wrote on Oct 16^th, 2008 at 7:22pm:


Employed without an affordable necessity provided.  Costs being spread elsewhere.  I'm not sure either, again, those limits.



Employment and healthcare are important issues to contend with.

I find it hard to debate with such black and white broad terms, when everyone has different shades of grey they apply to the labels being discussed.

The USA is a hybred of socialism and capitolism, always has been. Under 100% true capitolism if you want the road paved in front of your house, you as the property owner would pay the road paving guy yourself. I do not know many people who would like to live in a 100% true capitolistic country.

Most places Americans consider "socialist"" that are civil, tax their citizens pretty much the same rate as the average American is taxed. And for it they get primary and secondary education and free health care. USA citizens do not get any of that for the same amount of money taxed. In fact it is really really hard to determine where my tax money goes. And of course they are not 100% socialist - there are very few places one cannot buy a Big Mac nowdays.

If the economy worses to levels below the Great Depression 80% of American families (including those on here, who have not saved a few years salary to pay all the bills with) will be unemployed and homeless. Will any of those people care what lable is attached to the free bread that they get to feed their kids?

Time and a place for everything and everything in moderation.  Except for paying no taxes at all, I am all for a flat-tax, which is extremely socialist concept. It would make it easier to tell where my money is going and give the system some transparency. I am sick of the loopholes and "find the ball" shell game each April. Lets pay for the stuff that needs to be paid for and quite paying for shit we don't need and the special interests. Kind of like that "What if firefighters ran the world ad on tv".

My 2cents

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With the arthritis in my neck and rest of my spine and the physical limits I'm under with that alone, I'd never make it threw the physical.