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I don't write it... you gotta wonder when other world leaders talk like this.

ELECTION 2008
Mideast leader: Obama a Muslim who studied in Islamic schools
Says Arab world campaign contributions 'may enable him to win U.S. presidency'

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Posted: October 17, 2008
9:00 pm Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim of Kenyan origins who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said during a recent televised national rally.

"There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama," said Gadhafi in little-noticed remarks he made at a rally marking the anniversary of the 1986 U.S. air raid on his country.

The remarks, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, MEMRI, were aired on Al Jazeera in June.

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"All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man," continued Gadhafi. "They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency.

"We are hoping that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity, and in his faith, and that [he will know] that he has rights in America, and that he will change America from evil to good, and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs," Gadhafi said.

Gadhafi went on to lament statements Obama made at a June 4 address to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in which the presidential candidate stated if he is elected president, "Jerusalem would remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided."

But it seems Gadhafi was not aware that the next day, during a CNN appearance, Obama explained he meant Jerusalem shouldn't be physically divided with a partition and was not referring to the city remaining in exclusively Jewish hands.

Stated Gadhafi: "But we were taken by surprise when our African Kenyan brother [Obama], who is an American national, made statements (about Jerusalem) that shocked all his supporters in the Arab world, in Africa, and in the Islamic world.

"We hope that this is merely an elections 'clearance sale,' as they say in Egypt - in other words, merely an elections lie. As you know, this is the farce of elections - a person lies and lies to people, just so that they will vote for him, and afterwards, when they say to him, 'You promised this and that,' he says: 'No, this was just elections propaganda.' This is the farce of democracy for you. He says: 'This was propaganda, and you thought I was being serious. I was fooling you to get your votes.'

"Allah willing, it will turn out that this was merely elections propaganda. Obama said he would turn Jerusalem into the eternal capital of the Israelis. This indicates that our brother Obama is ignorant of international politics, and is not familiar with the Middle East conflict," Gadhafi said.

Gadhafi went on to express his hope if elected Obama will implement a "one state solution" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, meaning Israel would be flooded with millions of Palestinian Arabs who would terminate the country's Jewish nationality.

He said he was worried Obama may have a "black inferiority complex" whereby he may enact "white men" policies to prove he is no different from "white" America.

"The thing we fear most is that the black man suffers from an inferiority complex. This is dangerous. If our brother Obama feels that because he is black he doesn't have the right to rule America, this would be a disaster, because such a feeling would make him act whiter than the white, and go to an extreme in his persecution and degradation of the blacks.

"We say to him: Brother, the whites and blacks in America are equal. They are all immigrants. America belongs neither to the whites nor to the blacks. America belongs to its original inhabitants, the Indians. Both the whites and the blacks immigrated to America, and so they are equal, and Obama has the right to hold his head high, and say: 'I am a partner in America. This is my land as much as it is yours. If it is not my land, it is not yours either. It is the land of the Indians. You are immigrants, and so are we.'"

Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'

Obama repeatedly has denied he is a Muslim. His campaign site states: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

But as WND has reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.

Obama's campaign several times has wavered in response to reporters queries regarding the senator's childhood faith.

Commenting on a recent Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque "something the presidential candidate said he never did," Obama's campaign released a statement explaining the senator "has never been a practicing Muslim."

Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta's Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as "L Soetoro Ma," worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.

Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students but exempt them from studying religion. Obama's school documents, though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian.

After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled "also as a Muslim, according to documents" in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.

Laotze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted: "All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school, and a young 'Barry Soetoro,' being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam."

Indeed, in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies," wrote Obama.

The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.

Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

"At that time, I was not Barry's teacher, but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.

The Kaltim Post said Obama's teacher, named Hendri, died.

"I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study.

Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny," Amir said.

The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.

"We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Adi.

Friday prayers

Aside from a new website to fight purported smears, Obama's official campaign site has a page titled "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page states, "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."

But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a "practicing Muslim" clarification to the Los Angeles Times.

An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputes Adi's statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama's declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama.

But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.

"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia," states the Tribune article.

It quotes the presidential candidate's former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling Obama "occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."

Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune article "cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim" actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice confirms Obama attended mosque services.

In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

The Times' Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent," the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.

The first few lines of the call to prayer state:

Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet ...
Some attention also has been paid to Obama's paternal side of the family, including his father and his brother, Roy.

Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, the presidential candidate stated: "The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."

Still, Obama says he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly has labeled as "smears" several reports attempting to paint him as a Muslim.

"Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding," he told the Times of London earlier this year.
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Reply #1 - Oct 18th, 2008 at 2:06am
 
Aaron Klein. Now there is a piece of work that has hatred for Obama unmatched in bizarre nut blogs of his ilk.

You read and quote your blogs, I'll do mine. Blogs, especially attack blogs aren't journalism.

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Reply #2 - Oct 18th, 2008 at 8:28am
 
That guy would have fit right in back during McCarthism when you could label anyone a Communist.  I just wish people who are that full of hate would get a new hobby besides trying to spread the hate... I can't see where it helps anyone...

There was some "jackass" congresswoman on TV last night who was calling half of Congress un-American. Personally, I think she needed a long rest in a padded room for a while.

It wasn't right back in the 50s and it ain't right now, but I guess it'll continue on as long as there's people like him out there to spread the hate....

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Reply #3 - Oct 18th, 2008 at 8:33am
 
BarbaraD wrote on Oct 18th, 2008 at 8:28am:
There was some "jackass" congresswoman on TV last night who was calling half of Congress un-American. Personally, I think she needed a long rest in a padded room for a while.

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Geez, it's bad enough that two major party candidates are trying to make each other out as un-American and throwing vitriolic commentary, but now you tell me that congress is doing it too?  How does this help anyone?  Now I gotta wonder if she voted for or against the bailout bill and if she's using that as her own personal agenda to make such statements, unreal...

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Reply #4 - Oct 18th, 2008 at 9:10am
 
World Net Daily is a blog?


BTW- I don't care if your purple and worship the devil, as long as you tell me the TRUTH and do not infringe upon my RIGHTS.

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Reply #5 - Oct 18th, 2008 at 10:44am
 
Kids are usually raised in the faith of their parents, until they are old enough to decide for themselves.

Apparently Obama was raised as a Muslim but saw the light and turned to Christianity as he got older.

Good for him.  God bless you Barak.
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Reply #6 - Oct 18th, 2008 at 12:53pm
 
Bob P wrote on Oct 18th, 2008 at 10:44am:
Kids are usually raised in the faith of their parents, until they are old enough to decide for themselves.

Apparently Obama was raised as a Muslim but saw the light and turned to Christianity as he got older.

Good for him.  God bless you Barak.


Bob,

I couldn't agree more.  If he was a muslim, or raised as a muslim, or taught as a muslim, I don't care.  Anybody on this planet can profess to become a Christian, and the truth of that is between them and their God.

However, this is a little different.  Barack Hussain Obama is asking us to trust him with the Presidency of the United States.  If any of this is true, he is lying through his teeth.

1) Why is this topic so TOXIC that it can't even be discussed rationally.  As soon as anybody brings it up, they are hateful, racist, blah blah blah.  

2) Why is Barack Hussain Obama lying to us about his muslim past?  Is it because he knows this would be unacceptable to a lot of Americans?  What ever the reason, it is a lie.

World Net Daily (which I call World Nut Daily for obvious reasons) is not a blog, but it is not main stream media either.
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My mother had a saying that everyone was trying to go to heaven, but some of us had a more direct route than others.

Living in the South during the 40's and 50's and being Catholic (one of the few), I was exposed to ridicule and just plain hatred at times and told I was going to hell because Catholics worshiped statutes, so I'm a little jaded toward people running down anyone regardless of their religion.

I can't see where it matters a rat's a$$ what religion anyone has been "exposed" to at any time in their life - it's what they believe NOW that counts. There's a lot of atheist I have respect for even if I don't agree with their ideas on religion.

For the life of me I just can't see what the big effin deal is about all this.....

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You're right Fub.  I thought about it after I posted and came to the realization that it's not the religion that matters but that his campaign has continiously lied about it.  Why not just say he was as a kid.  I know why, because there is a group who would say he is still a closet radical Islam sypathizer.  This is all about getting as many votes as possible and if you have to lie to do that, it's ok, part of the game.
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Bob, that's exactly my point.  I would elect a Hindu if I had the opportunity, that's not what we're talking about.  It's about the lies.

Barbara, it's not about his religion, lack of religion, previous religion, or current religion.  It's about the lies.
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Bob, that's exactly my point.  I would elect a Hindu if I had the opportunity, that's not what we're talking about.  It's about the lies.

Barbara, it's not about his religion, lack of religion, previous religion, or current religion.  It's about the lies.


I do agree, but then again a politician lying doesn't exactly shock me.
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FramCire wrote on Oct 18th, 2008 at 4:24pm:
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Barbara, it's not about his religion, lack of religion, previous religion, or current religion.  It's about the lies.


I do agree, but then again a politician lying doesn't exactly shock me.


Yeah, me either.

What does shock me is how the media can effectively make this verboten to discuss, and how everyone knows he is lying about it.. but they are so wrapped up in trying to punish Bush that they can't fathom questioning the Messiah.

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A POLITICIAN lying -- I'm shocked!!!!  Smiley

Probably the LAST politician that did NOT lie was George Washington and we KNOW he cut down the cherry tree cause he could not tell a lie cause he said so... Smiley    ... but it does bring up the question about that pear tree.... Kiss

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Gadhafi went on to lament...

Gadhafi went on to express his hope...

He said he was worried...

"The thing we fear most...


I don't know, I.. I just couldn't get past the sympathy the article made me feel for Gadhafi.  Damn, his hopes...  Was that a tear in his eye, I couldn't tell.  This lament he feels, yet still, unrelenting, went on to express his hope.  His worry, his worst fear... I just couldn't go on.

Why, why, WHY is this not in the mainstream media???  Yeah, just like the media to deflect from the possibility of Gadhafi's disappointment.
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Reply #15 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 1:24pm
 
... also gotta wonder why any one gives a rat's ass what khadafi thinks - he's famous for being bold and erratic, for having far more swagger than substance. Anyone who takes his words at face value are obviously not playing with a full deck. 

Has WorldNet Daily touched bases with Charles Manson to get his take on the election??  Does the KKK's endorsement of someone reflect on anything but the klan?  Is the recent rise and fall in the price of #3 Oolong tea an indication of what's to come??

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Have a xanax or something.  We're all going to be fine.
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Oh, so that was the presented focus of the post and not this:

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I don't write it... you gotta wonder when other world leaders talk like this.


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You gotta wonder when publications talk like this.   But I have a complaint, they do not cater to all nuts, I don't feel like I fit in.
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Reply #18 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 2:03pm
 
I prefer klonipin to xanax, but won't be taking either today - I'm going to a charity fundraiser tonight, and plan on lifting my glass a few times.
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Reply #19 - Oct 19th, 2008 at 2:59pm
 
Monty - Be careful at that chairty thingy tonight and who you have your pic taken with -- you NEVER know when it might come back to bite you in the rear... Wink

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