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Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
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Biden predicts Obama will have to make some unpopular decisions in his first six months in office.
SEATTLE (CNN) — Joe Biden told Democratic fundraisers Sunday night that there is no doubt in his mind a crisis will occur during Barack Obama's first six months in office that will test his mettle and force him to make unpopular decisions.

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," said Biden to a roomful of donors. "The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America."

"Remember I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said," Biden continued. "Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

"I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's going happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate."


The Delaware senator spoke at two Seattle fundraises Sunday night, expected to bring in $1 million for the campaign. Biden told the supporters that when Obama will need them to stand with the administration on the difficult calls — not financially, but by using their influence within their communities to convince others that the right decisions are being made.

"I promise you, you all are going to be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough?' We're going have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years," said Biden. "I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

Telling the crowd to "gird their loins" for a bumpy beginning to the next presidential term, Biden said it wouldn't be initially apparent that the correct decisions are being made because "they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Fundraisers are generally closed to the media's cameras, though print journalists are usually allowed in. Biden appeared to forget Sunday night's fundraiser wasn't closed to reporters, saying, "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here." Moments later, he ended his remarks.



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Reply #2 - Oct 20th, 2008 at 11:36pm
 
Who knows. Politicians aren't much different than soothsayers. No matter what happens he can refer back to a vague statement and say I told you so.
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Biden is well-known for this kind of thing. He's the only person that talks more than I do. It seems to shift people's thinking for a short time. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 2:08am
 
I agree, Biden does talk a lot.  Seems he was just rambling on using the same kind of scare tactics that the current administration has been using so well to their advantage.  The whole 'something's going to happen and since we're saying something will happen we'll know how to fix it so make sure we're in office to fix it' thing.  But, I do agree with his general idea:  something will happen whether Obama or McCain are in office.  Not only because of the state that not only the U.S. is in but the state of every country - wars, the economies, tensions between countries that could escalate - but also because there's usually always something going on.
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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 2:46am
 
Well, it depends... 

It'll either be prescient, or a popcorn fart.

Shoot.  I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, let alone six months from now.

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Reply #6 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 2:56am
 
It is kinda silly, isn't it?  You can guarantee that something from Iran, Afghanistan, more Putin stuff, further economy horrors, Iraq surprises, and Pakistan will pop up.

Nobody could have predicted the Cuban missle crisis in 1962.

As an aside:

If you've seen the movies about this thing, they are wildly exaggerated. Nobody headed for shelters. My dad was in volunteer Civil Defense communications at the time but all people did was bite their nails watching Walter Cronkite. It was our Nightly News specticle for a few days though.

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The first unpopular decision will be when he announces he can't give the tax break that he's been promising, in fact he needs to raise taxes.
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ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

Not only will the next administration have to deal with foreign affairs issues, Biden warned, but also with the current economic crisis.

"Gird your loins," Biden told the crowd. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."

The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on.

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom.

"I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked.

"All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."



#1- Biden said nothing about if EITHER ticket gets elected they'd face this, he specifically said Obama would.

#2- Biden says we're going to have an international, "generated", crisis.  The fact he is predicting such a thing, scares the crap out of me.

#3- Biden says this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.  PLEASE tell me that they aren't going to have the government to run the economy??  America has a free market and the more government sticks it's grubby, dirty hands into it, the worse it gets! Sad

#4- Biden warns about them going down in the polls in the future.  Another scare tactic?  If Biden is on the ticket, why on God's earth is he saying this?  Wouldn't it be counter-productive??

I just don't get it and I wish I would have never read it. Tongue



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Reply #9 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 10:50am
 
Basically, from what I'm understanding, is that Bush screwed us, a lot of turmoil is going to happen but him and Obama have the answers.  He's scaring them that this is going to happen but soothing them that they have the answers, even though the population won't like the answers but reassuring them they're sound (bailout ring a bell?!). 

I typed out a lot of scenarios that are going around atm as to what could happen, some may call them 'conspiracy theories' but unfortunately it's what's going on.  I decided I wasn't going to post it because it's pretty overwhelming and daunting even though I think more Americans should be aware of what's going on, I think it's a little too much to just throw at you.
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Audre- how on earth would you know what is "too much" to throw at me?

BTW, have you seen Zeitgeist Addendum yet?  I did a thread about it a few pages back.  Interesting stuff...
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Reply #11 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 11:04am
 
Melissa wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 10:55am:
Audre- how on earth would you know what is "too much" to throw at me? 

BTW, have you seen Zeitgeist Addendum yet?  I did a thread about it a few pages back.  Interesting stuff...


lol Because when I was typing it out it was too much for me!  Tongue

I watched part of it, probably about halfway through or so.  Don't remember what all it was about but I do remember talking about the Federal Reserve.
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#1- Biden said nothing about if EITHER ticket gets elected they'd face this, he specifically said Obama would.

He's assuming success in the election.


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#2- Biden says we're going to have an international, "generated", crisis.  The fact he is predicting such a thing, scares the crap out of me.

History shows that most new Presidents are "tested" by our foes, whoever they happen to be at the time. He's not playing Nostradamus here, it's a pretty safe bet.


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#3- Biden says this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.  PLEASE tell me that they aren't going to have the government to run the economy??  America has a free market and the more government sticks it's grubby, dirty hands into it, the worse it gets!

He's laying the ground work for more intervention than is needed.


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#4- Biden warns about them going down in the polls in the future.  Another scare tactic?  If Biden is on the ticket, why on God's earth is he saying this?  Wouldn't it be counter-productive??

Not many administrations have stayed high in public opinion polls throughout their whole term. It's not rocket science. Once the new wears off and no quick fixes are forthcoming, the American public gets upset that magic wands do not exist and opinion polls take a southward turn.
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Reply #13 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 11:25am
 
Bill, thanks for your explanations.  I was just trying to wrap my brain around why anyone would say such things 14 days before the election and I can see now that he was making some(?) generalizations.
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Reply #14 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 1:32pm
 
Biden is correct that when young green Presidents first get elected that foreigners tend to test them.  It doesn't happen as much for older and more experienced Presidents.

Biden is also correct that unpopular decisions will have to be made.  Too bad he and Obama aren't willing to say what they will be.  They would rather not admit to the tough decisions that are unpopular until AFTER the election.

Finally, this is the scary part of Biden.  He opens his mouth without thinking.  He is too smart for this and maybe too dumb to be VP.
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I'll take Biden; you take Palin


Peggy Noonan said it all on Palin in The Wall Street Journal: “She doesn’t think aloud. She just ... says things.”

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Charlie wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 6:51pm:
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Peggy Noonan said it all on Palin in The Wall Street Journal: “She doesn’t think aloud. She just ... says things.”

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Yeah, just like Biden does, but Biden puts his foot in his mouth every time he does it. Palin does not!.......LMAO Grin

Shall I hold my breath while I wait for Biden to take questions from the press about JUST what he was talking about?........I didnt think so!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Yeah but he actually does interviews and no matter the gaffs......he's famous for them....you usually learn something. All you learn when Palin speaks is how much smarter everyone else is.

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Charlie wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 7:07pm:
Yeah but he actually does interviews and no matter the gaffs......he's famous for them....you usually learn something. All you learn when Palin speaks is how much smarter everyone else is.

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Yeah, you learn that he didnt know who was president in 1929, he didnt know there was no TV in 1929. You learn that he is the smartest one in the room, because he told a reporter he was. You learn that he does not even know a guy, that hes known for years cant stand up, but asks him to anyways.....LMMFAO!  Grin

Yeah, you learn hes an idiot, thats why he has not answered press questions in weeks.  Roll Eyes

Palin answers them before AND after getting off planes. Wink


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Reply #19 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 7:47pm
 
I guess Bill is right.  What he said sounds like it is a safe bet that history will repeat itself.
Sure seemed weird to me, though.  It seemed like he was laying the groundwork for future failures.  It was like he was asking people to keep their enthusiasm after they fail and don't shun them.  Sure seems weird to me.

I don't like Biden.  He is one of those kinds of people that are just different.  You can't quite put your finger on it, but he is just weird.  He has a kind of UsedCarSalesmanesque type of personality.  

Did you see where he told his 'good buddy' Chuck Graham to stand up?  Chuck is in a wheelchair.  He didn't know his good friend is in a wheelchair?

He's just another politician.........



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BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 7:47pm:
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Reply #21 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 7:56pm
 
Ha.  Jonny, I think you're one of those charmed by her "beauty".  Do you actually listen to anything she says? 

Biden may have put his foot in his mouth a few (well, a lot), but hate me for it or not, she's unintelligent.  Her mistakes are not mistakes, they're plain ignorance and major problems.  She has foreign policy because she can see Russia in Alaska??  She keeps a watchful eye on Putin as he "rears his ugly head" in Alaskan skies and does fake trades with Russia.  She has this scary assumption that the VP is part of Congress and can "help pass beneficial bills" and has a lot of freedom within the Constitution for her role in Congress if she so chooses to exert it??  She wants to have a Federal bill banning gay marriages, completely taking away that power to the States to decide.  And most importantly the HATE she is riling up in her speeches, dividing people when it's the last thing we need to be doing right now. 

One of the reasons Biden probably said what he said can be that.  The U.S. itself is in a very weak state, 2 nonproductive wars that's draining our economy, our economy in shambles along with many other powerful allies, while the Middle East economies that we've put sanctions and high tariffs on are thriving, and this hate and dividedness is making us weaker especially if Obama were to take office because she's throwing it all on him and his supporters (well, anyone against McCain, really).
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I think it will be China calling in their loans, right now! We'd be fucked to say the least.

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Audre wrote on Oct 21st, 2008 at 7:56pm:
 She wants to have a Federal bill banning gay marriages, completely taking away that power to the States to decide.


Since when does a VP make laws?.....She cant ban shit, now can she?  Wink

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Reply #24 - Oct 21st, 2008 at 8:38pm
 
VP can break ties in the Senate. Not much more BUT: It's this horror of McCain's demise and having someone as incredibly unqualified take over. Having to listen to her moronic "You betchas" all the time.....not to mention another idiot insulting the English language with "nuculur." George Bush was bad enough and that he never corrected himself was also insulting to us as well.

She would probably make Bush look good.

Bleaugh. I'm surprised Barbie's husband isn't Ken.

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