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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #50 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:19am
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:06am:
Mel, you really think the FDA should be disbanded?

The private sector will run their own quality controls and stuff?  

Well, I don't know, but so far I'm finding a lot of frustration with people who can't get medication they need due to FDA.  Maybe it's just best to restructure it.  To me it's a very muddy area and I don't even know if I can trust them anymore.  Undecided
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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #51 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:22am
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:06am:
Mel, you really think the FDA should be disbanded?

The private sector will run their own quality controls and stuff?  

What part of state control did you not understand?
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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #52 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:27am
 
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But McCain voted against another bill that did have a timeline and Obama voted for it.
I think the voting record shows that McCain had a "no vote" on that bill.
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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #53 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 12:14pm
 
Bob P wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 10:25am:
From Websters Dictionary

...pronunciation can be seen as coming from a process of metathesis, in which the /l/[l] and the /y/[y] change places. The resulting pronunciation is reinforced by analogy with such words as molecular, particular, and muscular, and although it occurs with some frequency among...


Covers it's butt both ways with the familiar Steven Pinker, his examination (metathesis), though he doesn't particularly discuss the word itself in books much that I've read, and reinforces with another, Arnold Zwicky's morphological origin, a slightly contrasting look.  

among... A tradition at some weapons labs since WWII but unnoted in medicine and energy fields.  

Might give the impression they've been in prolonged contact with the weapons people.  But I guess you'd have to like the variant to use it.
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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #54 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 12:43pm
 
FDA = US Congress Controll = Lobbyists = Big Money = Bad Laws on Drug Control = High Prices at Pharmacy = Screwing of "Average Joe"

(Apply equation to any Dept of govt)

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Reply #55 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 1:58pm
 
Barb,

That was the best response in this whole thread! KUDOS!

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Reply #56 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 2:06pm
 
BarbaraD wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 12:43pm:
FDA = US Congress Controll = Lobbyists = Big Money = Bad Laws on Drug Control = High Prices at Pharmacy = Screwing of "Average Joe"

(Apply equation to any Dept of govt)

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hmmm...

Obama elected + super majority = unfettered democratic agenda = higher taxes on the 'rich' = less jobs for everybody


fuzzy math?
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Reply #57 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 5:29pm
 
As stupid as a rock!....LMAO  Grin

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Say it aint so, Joe.....LOL  Cheesy

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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #58 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 6:53pm
 

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The Delaware senator spoke at two Seattle fundraises Sunday night, expected to bring in $1 million for the campaign.


Can anyone explain to me why, with only 13 days til the election that he is out there doing campaign fundraising  at this late date and asking for peoples hard-earned bucks to the tune of a Million dollars?
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Reply #59 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 6:59pm
 
Some people in Seattle are wanting some favors when he gets in.
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Reply #60 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 7:57pm
 
The drug companies' greatest fantasy would be the end of the FDA. Does anyone here really believe that an admisistration that for all intents and purposes was created by a Republican, should be abandoned? It's purpose was to keep quacks from killing us. Today, it's the only thing between us and all the drugs that have been withdrawn because so much money was to be made regardless of safety...incredibly by an admistration that filled all the agencies with political hacks from the right... It's one of the better examples of successful big government.

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Reply #61 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:13pm
 
Charlie, here's some opinions about it...

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But most agree that there's at least a problem of perception, and perhaps more than that, caused by the growing chunk of the agency's budget that comes directly from drug companies. Industry dollars now pay for more than half of the FDA's drug-review budget; in five years, that proportion is expected to jump to 70 percent.


Either something else has to be an alternative, or it needs to be seriously overhauled.  JMO
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Reply #62 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:38pm
 
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The agency's most recent difficulties began in 2004, when officials came under fire for silencing a staff scientist who had concluded that antidepressants could increase suicidal behavior in teens.


2004...think about that. George Bush populated all agencies with hacks, religious conservatives, a number of corporate lobbyists in the evironmental agecies, and on and on. Of course the biggest effect was when he underfunded everything he thought might be a problem. The best example was his cutting off funding for his pet project, No Child Left Behind.

It's no surprise that the FDA has suffered under Dubya. It's exactly what he wanted: Put the foxes in charge of the henhouse.

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Reply #63 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:49pm
 
ohforpetesake Charlie!

here's another link:

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The agency’s transformation started in the 1980s, when AIDS and cancer activists pushed for quicker access to potentially life-prolonging drugs for severely ill patients. But that acceleration was subsequently applied to all medicines, including those for problems that aren’t life-threatening as well as for “me too” drugs, which offer little or no advantage over existing medicines whose risks are well known.

In 1992 Congress passed the Prescription Drug User Fee Act (PDUFA), which forced a sea change at the FDA. The law imposed tight deadlines for drug evaluation and required companies to pay fees earmarked for hiring more reviewers. In fiscal year 2004 the FDA collected some $250 million from drug companies, almost half of its drug-review budget. That year, the agency boasted in a report to the president and Congress that “drug-approval time has been cut almost in half” since the advent of PDUFA.


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FDA advisers tied to industry


An article by Dennis Cauchon, the USA TODAY Newspaper

Sept. 25, 2000

According to a USA Today study, more than half of the experts hired to advise the government on the safety and effectiveness of medicine have financial relationships with the pharmaceutical companies that will be helped or hurt by their decisions. These experts are hired to advise the Food and Drug Administration on which medicines should be approved for sale, what the warning labels should say and how studies of drugs should be designed. The experts are supposed to be independent, but USA TODAY found that 54% of the time, they have a direct financial interest in the drug or topic they are asked to evaluate. These conflicts include helping a pharmaceutical company develop a medicine, then serving on an FDA advisory committee that judges the drug.

The conflicts typically include stock ownership, consulting fees or research grants.

Federal law generally prohibits the FDA from using experts with financial conflicts of interest, but according to the article, the FDA has waived the restriction more than 800 times since 1998.

These pharmaceutical experts, about 300 on 18 advisory committees, make decisions that affect the health of millions of Americans and billions of dollars in drugs sales. With few exceptions, the FDA follows the committees' advice.

The FDA reveals when financial conflicts exist, but it has kept details secret since 1992, so it is not possible to determine the amount of money or the drug company involved.

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Reply #64 - Oct 22nd, 2008 at 11:44pm
 
Well, for food stuff, I think there certainly needs to be some sort of cleanliness standards and all that stuff.
For drugs, the FDA is much more lax than they were 20 years ago.  During Clinton's term, someone changed the laws for drug marketing and also created a 'fast track' to get drugs through the FDA and to market.  Thats when the drug companies started having TV commercials and stuff.
So some of these drugs came to market under the fast track plan, and it turns out a lot of them have been pulled because of problems.  Vioxx comes to mind, and another couple of drugs that are in major lawsuits now.

It's a tough line to walk.  People want new drugs right now and they want them to be thoroughly tested.  Unfortunately it takes many years to go through the testing for a new drug.

Maybe the FDA is not effective, but I certainly don't want Merck and Kraft Foods making a business decision regarding what is safe to put in my food and drugs.  The corporations most certainly don't care.
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Reply #65 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 7:54am
 
I think the TV ads should be pulled - that only ads to the costs of the drugs for one thing.

The biggest problem with advertising -- "Ask your Doctor if this is Right for You!" is hogwash! A lot of people out in TV land will DEVELOP symptoms just to USE the advertised drug.

Back during the Ben Casey, Dr. Kildaire, Marcus Welby M.D. days I was nursing and you can bet your bippy the morning after they were on we'd have a clinic full of that week's disease. We kept nice little placebo medicine bottles filled just for that purpose. (You could still do that back then.)

I hate political appointees and this should be changed, but I don't have a clue how to do it.

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Reply #66 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:03am
 
Barb's right. TV ads are disgusting and have nothing to do with people's health; just a shitload of cash.

In the long run the FDA has saved a lot of lives. That's reason enough to keep it

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Reply #67 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:06am
 
Ok Charlie.  I respect your opinion.

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Reply #68 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:22am
 
You guys should all take a trip through one of the major meat-packing plants in this country and see how good of a job your FDA and USDA are doing.............  Lips Sealed
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Reply #69 - Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:49am
 
Charlie wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:03am:
Barb's right. TV ads are disgusting and have nothing to do with people's health; just a shitload of cash.

In the long run the FDA has saved a lot of lives. That's reason enough to keep it

Charlie.



Without the TV Ads we'd never hear the line "If you have an erection that last for more than 4 hours, call your physician"

That alone makes the ads worthwhile.   Grin
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Reply #70 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:43am
 
Fram LMAO -- If that happened you'd be calling all the guys in the neighborhood, yellin' "Ya ain't gonna believe this!" Smiley

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Reply #71 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:22am
 
BarbaraD wrote on Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:43am:
Fram LMAO -- If that happened you'd be calling all the guys in the neighborhood, yellin' "Ya ain't gonna believe this!" Smiley

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I know a college baseball coach who said it happened to one of his players who took one on a bet.  He didnt know what it was and got freaked out because he had a tough time getting ready for baseball practice.

Not funny that kids would steal drugs and take them, but since the kid is ok now.... the coach was laughing telling us the story of the best excuse for missing practice.

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Reply #72 - Oct 24th, 2008 at 7:23pm
 
We should listen to Joe Biden, really!....Im not fucking kidding!

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Gee, looks like old Joe sold US out just to be VP!  Angry

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Reply #73 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 1:57pm
 
Agostino Leyre wrote on Oct 23rd, 2008 at 11:22am:
You guys should all take a trip through one of the major meat-packing plants in this country and see how good of a job your FDA and USDA are doing.............  Lips Sealed


I think most are operating to FDA and USDA standards, however, the standards are disgusting.  For example, averaging less than 30 'insect fragments' per 100 grams of peanut butter is the guideline.  Having 5 fly eggs or 1 maggot per cup of orange juice is acceptable to the FDA.
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