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Now, I am not into any of your discussions about who should be president, but as the election in your country gets big coverage in our country, that perticular youtube clip made me alittle afraid... Shocked

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Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political)
Reply #77 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:53am

MaxPayne wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:11am:

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Now, I am not into any of your discussions about who should be president, but as the election in your country gets big coverage in our country, that perticular youtube clip made me alittle afraid... Shocked

Sorry, can't answer you there!

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Good thing she's not running for President, McCain is.

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Reply #79 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:12am

MaxPayne wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:11am:

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Now, I am not into any of your discussions about who should be president, but as the election in your country gets big coverage in our country, that perticular youtube clip made me alittle afraid... Shocked

What scares people more? A person who stumbles a little under the media scrutiny, or someone who smoothly debate or discuss both sides of an issue with perceived passion.

I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me. Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is. Does that make me want him to be our President?

In the end, the more I see Palin the more I am ok with her as VP. I wish it was someone else, BUT Id rather her and McCain than the Democrats having a filibuster proof majority AND the presidency.

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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political) Reply #80 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:39am What scares me most is that if someone takes out the Pres. & VP, Pelosie would be President!
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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political) Reply #81 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:44am Bob P wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:39am: What scares me most is that if someone takes out the Pres. & VP, Pelosi would be President! If there is any politician out there right now that scares me it's that woman!!
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fubar Ex Member	Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political) Reply #82 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 12:54pm Pelosi is bat-shit crazy. But it's WAY more important to punish Bush for the last 8 years than worry about having this dingbat in control of the House.
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Reply #83 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 1:40pm

Melissa wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:44am:

Bob P wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:39am:

What scares me most is that if someone takes out the Pres. & VP, Pelosi would be President!

If there is any politician out there right now that scares me it's that woman!! Shocked

If Obama wins, she and her Senate counterparts will have control of this country. Obama has never shown an ability to stand up to his party and since the Dems will control both, Obama is either going to have to grow a spine or you might as well have her as President.

At least with McCain (or Palin if something happened to McCain) the Dems can pass laws but will have to work with the other side to get them past veto.

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Reply #84 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 3:25pm

Pentagon panel says Biden was right:

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The McCain campaign pounced the other day, when Joe Biden said that his running mate would be tested by an international crisis at the start of his White House tenure. But the chairman of a key Pentagon advisory panel is sounding a similar warning, telling the next administration to "prepare for a likely first-270-days crisis."

Veteran Pentagon consultant Michael Bayer, chairman of the Defense Business Board, told his fellow panelists that the new president's inner circle should "set aside time in transition to identify the planning, gravitas and interagency process necessary to respond to a likely first-270-day crisis."

From Kennedy (Bay of Pigs) to Johnson (Gulf of Tonkin) to Bush (9/11)," too many presidents were ill prepared for this," Bayer warns.

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Reply #87 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:26pm

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I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me. Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is. Does that make me want him to be our President

That's what scares me about her. Presidents have to be able to deal with gotcha or what may be preceived as unfair questions. If not, they have no business in the game.

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Reply #88 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:29pm

Charlie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

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I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me. Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is. Does that make me want him to be our President

That's what scares me about her. Presidents have to be able to deal with gotcha or what may be preceived as unfair questions. If not, they have no business in the game.

Charlie

Sounds like Biden shouldn't be in the game either then.

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Jonny Ex Member	Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political) Reply #89 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:33pm Touche'....Melly!
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Reply #90 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:38pm

Charlie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2008 at 9:26pm:

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I guess making a few mistakes or being intimidated by media members TRYING to make her stumble only makes her seem more human to me. Watching Obama makes me realize how gifted of a lawyer he is. Does that make me want him to be our President

That's what scares me about her. Presidents have to be able to deal with gotcha or what may be preceived as unfair questions. If not, they have no business in the game.

Charlie

Watch the tape again. While the questions might have made her stumble, she didn't lose it. I mean both Katie and that other dude (forget his name) set her up to try and embarrass her and while she stumbled, she maintained her composure. Honestly, I was embarrassed for both of the "newspeople" who obviously like to make the news instead of report it without bias.

Finally, what is your excuse for Biden. He has been doing this for years and he puts his foot in his mouth more often than Dan Quayle used to. At least Palin gives us hope of getting more used to it and performing better as she goes along. If she's smart she'll ask Obama how he can take tough questions and answer every one of them using the word Bush.

Finally, Palin showed a lot to me by how she was on SNL. They have been all over her and yet she showed poise and grace by being able to laugh at herself and actually look comfortable doing it.

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Reply #91 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 10:55pm

It would take me all night to download youtube but I've seen it several times. No matter how tough or unfair, a President has to be able to do better than not know what she reads....probably doesn't.

Biden puts his foot in his mouth all the time but he is well-known and considered an expert on foreign policy....also no one....other than the Rush Limbaughs of the right, question his ability. He's also probably my favorite Democrat so I'm baised anyway.

Palin has been asked twice that I know of just what the VP does and she fumbled both times. She's the kind of thing that we get when the the GOP has to pander to the pro-life and other evangelican crowds. What a shame. Young voters.....even Republicans, are tired of the religious right and my hope is that the GOP settles down and finds its true conservative base again. It's depressing now and you can thank Bush for it.

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Reply #93 - Oct 27^th, 2008 at 11:35pm

Mel, there ain't no fixin' it. It's going to be a long 4 years. ...but at least the Democrats will get to blame the Republicans if everything gets really ugly. So, it's like a free pass. Americans probably won't be able to admit their mistake until well into the Messaih's second term, and maybe the One will abolish term limits by then. Hope and Change.

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At least we know now what a "community organizer" does! He promotes "Redistributive change"! How did this man EVER become a serious contender for the presidency of this country?

When I was a kid reading about the downfall of the Spanish Empire brought about from within I wondered how it must have felt to have your country slip away as it did. Now I think I know.

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Bob P CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Shut up Bob! Posts: 4573 Clio,California Gender:	Re: Ok, WHAT did Biden mean by this? (political) Reply #95 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:24am Quote: but at least the Democrats will get to blame the Republicans if everything gets really ugly. Isn't that what they've been doing for the past 2 years that they've been in charge of the Congress? We can only hope that they will remain as ineffective for the next 4.
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Reply #97 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 10:07am

Bob P wrote on Oct 28^th, 2008 at 8:24am:

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but at least the Democrats will get to blame the Republicans if everything gets really ugly.

Isn't that what they've been doing for the past 2 years that they've been in charge of the Congress? We can only hope that they will remain as ineffective for the next 4.

Sorry man but I don't hope they are ineffective.... on the contrary, our country is in need of effective government no matter who it is. While I dont have high hopes for an Obama Presidency, I hope I am wrong about them and that the country is indeed better off in 4 yeasrs than it is now. We NEED that.

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Reply #98 - Oct 28^th, 2008 at 10:09am

Last I checked, the approval rating for Congress is lower than for George W. Bush. A lot of Americans understand that the President doesn't have all of the power and didn't dig all of the holes by himself.

I found a great quote from Thomas Sowell:

Some people who see the fraud in what Obama is saying are amazed that others do not. But Obama knows what con men have long known, that their job is not to convince skeptics but to enable the gullible to continue to believe what they want to believe. He does that very well.

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