END THE FED!!


(just had to get that in there)

Wait, federal public financing system?  He used taxes to pay for his campaign?  That's where they got the $150,000 to buy Palin and her family new clothes?  Why would you take public funding over private funding?  It seems that if people want you to get elected they'd be more likely to donate money so it'd be wiser to spend that money.

The Midwest Democracy Network's questionnaire:

Question I-B:
If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private
funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?

Yes No ___

Comments (please limit to 250 words or less):
I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (D-WI) bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party  candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.


While it isn't necessarily a promise, since he said he'd pursue an agreement to preserve the publicly financed general election, not right of him to go against what he said.  I'm not sure what extent he went to pursuing an agreement or even if he did, but either way he really needs to explain himself. 

Why would Obama saying he's going to cut taxes for 95% of us mean our taxes are going to go up?  Why are 35-40% of people not paying taxes and how/why are they getting "welfare"?

Audre wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:54pm:


I thought I'd answer this part (just cause I like to research stuff)

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Melissa wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 11:11pm:


I did the research on that too and I was amazed that the rich got richer and actually increased the net taxes collected while they did. The problem is that the Congress spent it.

I see so many comments here (not yours Mel) that prove to me that folks just aren't educating themselves on what the problems are. Promises of an easy fix are the order of the day when there ain't no such thing.......

Jonny why do you start this political bs, you're gettin everone worked up  and as far as your question goes any ploitical question starting with "do you believe" should be easy to answer.  jmo  Phil

Uh, that would be a big NO, NOT,  NO WAY.
     Bullshit I say.

Callico wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 11:37pm:


Jerry,

That's 47% of people filing returns - not the genral population. Look back on page 1 of this thread - I put the numbers in.

Jonny - you're telling me one polictican lied!?!?

I am shocked.

If your new hobby is going to be asking questions about politicans who lie you are gonna be busier than a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest.

And if you think McSame didn't lie either your gonna be surprised at how busy you really are going to be. And a good thing Bush is almost out, or you'd have an insurmountable task reporting on him! 

Mel, trickle down never works. Everything works when it is built on a strong foundation. Eliminate all income tax and tax all purchases to pay for the services that rely on them. The our tax system would be "representative" and the stuff that would cost tax money would be basically be "voted" for everytime someone made a purchase.

Basic everyday lif items are low tax or exempt. Luxury stuff, stuff that causes problems or burden elsewhere in the system get taxed very high.

Marc wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 11:42pm:


You're right Marc.  I meant those filing, but got going faster than I could keep up with myself!   The point is still that the system is fundamentally unfair.

I have forgotten the year, but it is within my adult lifetime that for the first time in our history over 51% of the population was receiving a check from the US Government, either a paycheck or welfare.

Jerry

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Jerry,

I've been looking for a reliable source for THAT number. I even posted it as a question on page 1 of this thread!

Any idea where that number came from? It's REALLY important that folks understand the ramifications of so many working for so few...........

I recall when Econ 101 taught that anything over 25%-30% was a clear and present danger.

Marc,

I'm wanting to say it was in the late 70's or early 80's, but I cannot say for certain.  

Bear in mind, I am not saying that over 50% got their entire livelyhood from the Government, but they got a check.  It could have been from employment, welfare, AFDC, Earned Income Payments, etc.  

I'll try to come up with an answer too, but am not really sure where to even look at this point.

Jerry

edit to add:  I got the info from the news at the time.  It was a big deal that for the first time in history more were getting from the government than weren't.

Marc,

You may be correct on the all forms of Gov't.  It has been to long for me to say for certain, but even so, that is still preposterous.

Jerry

No.  He can't without cutting spending on a masive scale and he will not cut spending.  What people don't realize is the motherload of tax income the government gets comes from the middle class. 

Poor people do not pay income tax and despite what the spin Dr.'s say about rich people, there just are not enough of them to foot the enormus bill that comes from government spending.  If a person truely believes Obama-nation will cut your tax....they are a fool.  He is the new liberal (read Socialist) that will change direction like the French army cought in a three way war.

-P.