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Jonny Ex Member	One question...(poll) Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:10pm Seeing that 35-40% of Americans pay no taxes at all, do you really believe when Obama says that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of us, that YOUR taxes will not go UP.... to give welfare to those that dont pay taxes? Thats it, one question! I dont care what your answer is, I just care that you are aware!
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Reply #1 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:29pm

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do you really believe when Obama says that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of us,

No. But then I just want him to cut mine and Fubar's. After that...you're all on your own. Wink

BTW, Jonny..(sorry to post this here but I don't remember where the original thread was).......at least it's sticking on topic......

Remember when I said, "who cares if Obama is funded with foreign money?" and you said......you did,

"because it's against the law?"

Seems that McCain hasn't read that law either.

"Washington Post" McCain Solicits Russian U.N. Ambassador.`
The Russian mission to the United Nations furnished a copy of Sept. 29 McCain/Palin campaign letter it received urging Mr Churkin to contribute up to $5 000.
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Also, you'll be happy to read who is the latest group to endorse McCain. Maybe it'll push him over the top. Undecided

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edit to add: Just wanted you to be aware. An educated voter is a good voter. Wink

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Jonny Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #2 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:41pm Now, if you're really going to ask a country the size and economic strength of Russia to help fund your campaign would you really 1) send "proof" of your request by letter that was personally signed? and 2) only ask for $5,000? Sounds pretty fishy to me.
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Reply #3 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:43pm

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Seeing that 35-40% of Americans pay no taxes at all, do you really believe when Obama says that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of us, that YOUR taxes will not go UP.... to give welfare to those that dont pay taxes?

Thats it, one question! Wink

I dont care what your answer is, I just care that you are aware! Cool

what would be wrong with a flat tax? pay tax on what you buy instead of what you earn. (cigarette boat, hummer ect) that way weather your an alien or not you still pay tax like everybody else does.

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Reply #4 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:48pm

With two weeks to go before the general election on Nov. 4, the amount of campaign advertising run by Sen. John McCain and Sen. Barack Obama will tell voters something about both men. It should serve as a warning that Obama isn't good at keeping promises.

Several months ago, Obama pledged to rely on public funding for his campaign. So did McCain.

McCain has kept his promise. On Monday, it was reported that during the last two weeks of the campaign, McCain will have substantially less money to work with than will Obama.

That is because Obama changed his mind a few months ago. He decided - rightly as it turned out - that he could raise more money by accepting contributions than by relying on the public funding system.

McCain, on the other hand, stuck with his pledge - though it is entirely possible that he, too, could have raised more money through contributions.

What the episode tells voters is simple: McCain keeps his promises. Obama does only when it is convenient for him.

Can anyone answer the question? Angry

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-johnny- CH.com Sponsor Offline theres no smoking on the dock Posts: 1642 fayette county ohio Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #5 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:51pm Quote: [b] Can anyone answer the question? aren't the people that contribute to mccains campaign the same people that contribute to obamas?
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Jonny Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #6 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:54pm -johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:51pm: Quote: [b] Can anyone answer the question? aren't the people that contribute to mccains campaign the same people that contribute to obamas? Johnny, the question is....do you t.....Fuck, read my original post!
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-johnny- CH.com Sponsor Offline theres no smoking on the dock Posts: 1642 fayette county ohio Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #7 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:57pm would either candidate be obligated to the deep pockets that finanaced there campaign or would they stay true to the voters? red or blue
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Redd CH.com Sponsor Offline Posts: 8457 Stevens Point USA Wisconsin Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #8 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:59pm Quote: accepting contributions = public funding system. When did you rely on spin doctoring Jonny? They are one and the same. If I'm wrong I'll admit it, but prove it to me by definition and not rhetoric. And No, I'm not voting for Obama.
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Re: One question...(poll)
Reply #9 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:00pm

-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:57pm:

would either candidate be obligated to the deep pockets that finanaced there campaign or would they stay true to the voters? red or blue

Barack Obama opted out of the federal public financing system , setting himself up for a huge cash advantage over John McCain in the general election -- but also providing his critics with a large opportunity to criticize his claim that he is committed to change in Washington.

In other words....He lied, what will he lie about next? Huh

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Reply #10 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:01pm

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-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:51pm:

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Can anyone answer the question? Angry

aren't the people that contribute to mccains campaign the same people that contribute to obamas?

Johnny, the question is....do you t.....Fuck, read my original post! Wink

i would suggest a flat tax. pay tax on what you buy instead of what you earn. (cigarette boat, hummer ect) that way weather your an alien or not you still pay tax like everybody else does.

hows that? Grin

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Reply #11 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:05pm

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-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:57pm:

would either candidate be obligated to the deep pockets that finanaced there campaign or would they stay true to the voters? red or blue

Barack Obama opted out of the federal public financing system , setting himself up for a huge cash advantage over John McCain in the general election -- but also providing his critics with a large opportunity to criticize his claim that he is committed to change in Washington.

In other words....He lied, what will he lie about next? Huh

i dunno man. i don't trust either one of these guys. i guess your right though. mccain never did say he would never take money from major contributors.

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Reply #12 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:06pm

Redd wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:59pm:

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accepting contributions = public funding system.

When did you rely on spin doctoring Jonny?

Sorry, Redd.....I go by whats reported and aint none of the important shit being reported about Obama!

What do you think would happen if Palin had half the gaffes as Biden?.....Huh?

The media is in the pocket!!!! Wink

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Reply #13 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:11pm

-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:05pm:

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-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:57pm:

would either candidate be obligated to the deep pockets that finanaced there campaign or would they stay true to the voters? red or blue

Barack Obama opted out of the federal public financing system , setting himself up for a huge cash advantage over John McCain in the general election -- but also providing his critics with a large opportunity to criticize his claim that he is committed to change in Washington.

In other words....He lied, what will he lie about next? Huh

i dunno man. i don't trust either one of these guys. i guess your right though. mccain never did say he would never take money from major contributors.

I can tell you one thing, im voting for the white guy.....because "Im a typical white person" Wink

Still, nobody answered the fucking question! Angry

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Reply #14 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:18pm

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-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:05pm:

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-johnny- wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 9:57pm:

would either candidate be obligated to the deep pockets that finanaced there campaign or would they stay true to the voters? red or blue

Barack Obama opted out of the federal public financing system , setting himself up for a huge cash advantage over John McCain in the general election -- but also providing his critics with a large opportunity to criticize his claim that he is committed to change in Washington.

In other words....He lied, what will he lie about next? Huh

i dunno man. i don't trust either one of these guys. i guess your right though. mccain never did say he would never take money from major contributors.

I can tell you one thing, im voting for the white guy.....because "Im a typical white person" Wink

Still, nobody answered the fucking question! Angry

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I dont care what your answer is, I just care that you are aware!

People can be aware, and yet not choose to answer Jonny, that is part of the American right. We aren't beholden to answer to you or anyone, it's a vote behind the curtain.

So to call out is to negate the voters right to hold a private opinion.

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Reply #15 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:21pm

ok lets go back to that. john mccain isn't specific about who obama is going to raise taxes on. it's pretty general.

it seems that republicans run on hate for anybody that is different than they are. on george bushs second term he knew he didn't have a fucking chance and he threw in the gay marriage thing and everybody forgot what an incredible prick he is and focused on that.

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Reply #16 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:24pm

I've been digging like a madman to find IRS numbers for 2007 & 2008 but it's rough to sift through the BS to find the basic numbers. Here are the numbers I've found so far on wage earners vs. their portion of the total taxes paid:

Top 1% = People who earn approx $ 400,000 or more pay 40% of all income taxes

Top 10% = People who earn approx $ 110,000 or more pay 71% of all income taxes

Top 25% = People who earn approx $ ????? or more pay 86% of all income taxes

Top 50% People who earn approx $ 50,000 pay 97% of all income taxes

I can't find the "top 25%" number no matter how hard I try, but I assume that it's around $75K. Anyone know? I would love to get my facts straight. This is based on adjusted gross income by the way - from the IRS report in June. The document is called "Report 2008-19"

I don't know what all of the folks here earn, but if you look at those numbers it seems like a few are paying for the majority? I don't know about others, but I was amazed........

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CH-HELL Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #17 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:28pm No there I answered your question
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Jonny Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #18 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:34pm Quote: No there I answered your question I thank you, sir.....Christ!, getting an answer here is like pulling teeth.
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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #19 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:36pm no (note to Deej, is there any way to get a poll feature?)
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Jonny Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #20 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:37pm Redd wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:18pm: We aren't beholden to answer to you Sorry, But I refuse to see where I twisted anyones arm to answer, honey!
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Redd CH.com Sponsor Offline Posts: 8457 Stevens Point USA Wisconsin Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #21 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:40pm By Marc's numbers, it's only the US government that can equal 294% INTO 100%. Fuzzy math indeed.
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Reply #22 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:42pm

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No there I answered your question Wink

well how 'bout this. about 40% of the nation thinks republican and are unwilling to bend their views. then theirs another 40% of the nation that are die hard democrats unwilling to bend on their views. the only decision i can make of this is that this country is going to have to shed from this football rivalry mentality and work together if this country is going to move ahead as one nation.

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Reply #23 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:45pm

Redd wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:40pm:

By Marc's numbers, it's only the US government that can equal 294% INTO 100%.

Fuzzy math indeed.

Ummm, I worked hard to get the info right- not sure how you came up with that? Those are "brackets" that they publish, so the $400K guy is in the same group as the 50% guy, etc. It's a simple distribution curve to indicate what percentage is paid by which bracket.

Now that I've seen the numbers, I think that all taxpayers should understand them!

Respectfully,
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Reply #24 - Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:45pm

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Redd wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2008 at 10:18pm:

We aren't beholden to answer to you

Sorry, But I refuse to see where I twisted anyones arm to answer, honey! Kiss

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We aren't beholden to answer to you or anyone, it's a vote behind the curtain.

Please Bro, quote me fully or don't quote me at all.

I love you, but i won't let you misquote me the way the media does others. You don't have the journalistic immunity that reporters do. Be careful dear.

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