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Reply #50 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 7:07am

Marc,
The guys a little nutty but his facts are right:

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Click on the "Other Charts" drop down to see all the charts for a catagory.

Alos look at the energy link and you'll see the only way to end foreign oil dependance is to change cars.

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Reply #51 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 7:22am

That's NOT exactly what Obama's PLAN says (check the plan) - that's what McCain says it says.... McCain's plan would RAISE taxes MORE for the middle class -- Obama's would LOWER them for the MIDDLE class (forget Plumber Joe - that's been blown way out of proportion).

And YES I would!!

I took BOTH plans and applied them to my son's last years return and by Obama's plan he'd come out with better -- With McCain's he'd pay more. -- Did it with a couple of small businesses and they came out way ahead hiring a couple of employees. Not really scientific (who knows what else might change, but them is facts as they stand right now).

The Welfare, as you put it is Earned Income Credit -- Peep play that one BIG Time -- it has been worked to death and until it's changed it WiLL be played.

Insofar as public funds go -- get the whole story on that one (fact check is a good place to start -- there IS a whole story about that - Obama said he would "consider it"). That was another one that was blown out of the ball park.

Oh and while ya'll are at it google YPM - that's interesting too... Guy just got arrested in CA for that one... Makes ACCORN look mild...

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Reply #52 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 8:55am

I don't believe anything Barack Obama. He's a real charismatic man and as a friend, boss, or my daughter's teacher...I'd probably get along great with him. But as President...I'd sooner vote George Bush in again. (and this is coming from a lifelong Democrat).

He doesn't have any experience...is way too liberal or should I say socialist and he will lie through his teeth to achieve his goal.

Why do you think he's getting all of those donations??? Because the fatcats know he will be in their pocket come January.

I'm not a big McCain fan either...but's he's definitely the lesser of the two evils.

Everybody that's thinking of Obama...please look at his record. Don't vote for him cause he seems like a "good guy". This is your Country we're talking about and you're children's and grandchildren's future. Do some research!!!

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Reply #53 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:57am

To answer Jonny's question, I think if Obama's tax plan is put into effect I will see lower taxes for myself.

Now, I first of all don't think they will be put into effect given the economic situation. Second, if thay are put into effect we will see higher unemployment and the fiscal situation will be made worse. Third, if they are put into effect we will eventually see them changed and higher taxes levied to pay for the stuff he wants to implement (and so some people can buy more 40 ouncers).

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Reply #54 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 10:02am

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Seeing that 35-40% of Americans pay no taxes at all, do you really believe when Obama says that he is going to cut taxes for 95% of us, that YOUR taxes will not go UP.... to give welfare to those that dont pay taxes?

Thats it, one question! Wink

I dont care what your answer is, I just care that you are aware! Cool

Nope, not for a second.

Thanks for caring Jonny. Wink

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Reply #55 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 7:01pm

Not by me! Wink

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

OR IS IT.........REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA..............or just a fools game !!

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fubar Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #57 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 7:23pm Quote: REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA ding ding ding ding ding GET THAT MAN A PRIZE!
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Reply #58 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 8:29pm

It's sad to me that it's boiling down to the "have" vs. the "have-nots". Everyone wants their "fair share" to be based on what other people have.

I met a wise and honorable man in Georgia who said: “I’m glad there are rich guys out there. That’s why I have a job making good money. If my boss stops getting rich, I won’t have a job.”

If a certain Clusterhaed reads this, she may be surprised that I recall this conversation with her husband so vividly. Thank you, Buddy.

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Reply #59 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:06pm

Marc wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 8:29pm:

It's sad to me that it's boiling down to the "have" vs. the "have-nots".

I worked my way to beat a major drug addiction of many drugs in my twenties, I started a business and have been through good times and bad since money wise. Why should I give my money to some fat fucking baby making machine that just sits one her ass?.....Someone tell me why?

If these upper highs want to give a fucking mortgage to people on welfare or unemployment and get fucked in the ass........Enjoy it, but dont put it on me!, damn it! Angry

I work seven fucking days a week and I do it for one reason, to better my life!....I will break the fuck out of the law to keep mine, nobody is going to take it from me!

Ted Kennedy and all these rich fucks are hiding their money off shore, they make the laws that dont apply to them.

THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW!

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Marc Ex Member Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #60 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:11pm But, tell us how you really feel Jonny - and don't hold back this time
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Reply #61 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:15pm

Bob P wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 7:07am:

Marc,
The guys a little nutty but his facts are right:

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Wow, Bob. As much as I've looked around on the web, I must say that old Ross boiled it down to clean little package.

I think that the historical data should be mandatory. Pretty basic, yet sooo potent. I thank you, Sir.

Marc

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Jonny Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #62 - Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:16pm Marc wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2008 at 9:11pm: But, tell us how you really feel Jonny - and don't hold back this time Its sad that more us dont feel like this! Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or
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Reply #63 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:04am

Jonny,

I may not be as eloquent as you, but I agree with you 100%. If we're REALLY LUCKY, a lot of voters will see the light before they cast their vote. I'm afraid MArc is right... it is boiling down to class warfare, and no matter how you slice it there are more have-nots than haves. With virtually all of the media in the tank for Obama, a lot of Americans believe the lies and think they are doing themselves a favor by voting him in. When they find out that they are part of the soon to be punished 'rich' folks, they'll wonder why they fell for it. I am not falling for it.

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Charlie CH.com Alumnus Offline Happy to be here Posts: 18971 Jamestown, NY Gender:	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #64 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:10am So Warren Buffett and Colin Powell are backing a socialist. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or Charlie
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fubar Ex Member	Re: One question...(poll) Reply #65 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:12am Charlie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:10am: So Warren Buffett and Colin Powell are backing a socialist. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or Charlie Yes.
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Reply #66 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 12:17am

Suggested reading before the election: Gibbons, The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire".

The Roman government lost control when they started giving bread to the poor who flocked to the cities because of the free meals, then because of having no worthwhile occupation grew restless. They then had to be given more and more, plus entertained ie "amused" (a-to "not" muse- to "think"). This led to the "games" which then led to gladiators fighting in the arenas, and then to the killing of the political scapegoats, Christians, much the same way Hitler used the Jews as a diversion from what he was doing. There are other examples throughout history as well. One more reason history is not taught much beyond 30 yrs ago in our school systems any more.

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Re: One question...(poll)
Reply #67 - Oct 24^th, 2008 at 5:36am

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Not by me! Wink

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

OR IS IT.........REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA..............or just a fools game !!

Price of meal-~$15, price of lost tip $10...........Reading this post, PRICELESS!!!

Eloquent Jonny!

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