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Reply #50 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:06pm
 
Charlotte,

After paying my obsene property taxes that have tripled over the last fifteen yrs to pay for abysmal education in the government schools, my daughter's education costs approximately $4000 in a private school which has turned out three students who scored a perfect score on their SATs, three cadets at the Air Force Academy, one who has been offered a full ride academic scholarship to Harvard within the last five years.  This is from a school that runs between 400-450 students in the k5 through 12th grade, and has NO academic testing as a means of admission.  It is done by TEACHING!  But then we don't have to pay a High School principal $150,000, three vice principals $135,000 each, spend $1 million to revamp the administrative suite of the high school, (Out of the last referendum that we had to pass to save the band program), and I could go on and on.  Of course, we do have the advantage of not having to have an anti-drug, anti-gang, sex-ed, etc. program.  That is handled by rules that are enforced, and are covered in a handbook that the parents must read along with the student, and sign.  Our Anti-drug, Anti-gang, Sex-ed programs take about 15 minutes total in an orientation meeting with parents and students before the school year begins, so we don't need to apply 2 1/2 hours per DAY as was done when my oldest son was in the Sixth grade.  (One reason we pulled our kids out of the government schools.)

The lack of spending on Education in this country is the biggest farce perpetrated on the public that there is.  I know there are good teachers out there trying to educate to the best of their ability, but the system is so corrupted by the NEA and other unions, and used so blatantly by the liberal politicians I am nauseated.  That is why I have voted NO every time we have had a new referendum, and will continue until I see something PRODUCED for my tax dollars.  (We've passed three in 10 yrs, and have a new one coming up)

I didn't mean to go on so long, but I get really fired up when I hear a complaint about the lack of funding for a FAILED program that is used to denigrate the success of a corporation that is PRODUCING a product and is profitable.

The Federal Government has no legal basis for ANY social services.  Find them in the Constitution.

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Reply #51 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:13pm
 
This is long but I like this guy.....

David Brooks - NYT - Oct. 31

Government spending is growing at an astounding pace. Congress and the president have thrown hundreds of billions into stimulus packages, domestic programs, military spending and other initiatives. Total federal spending is growing at a 13.8 percent annual rate.

Has all this money done anything to actually stimulate private economic activity? Not that you'd notice. Consumption is cratering. The U.S. economy just experienced the sharpest real drop in consumer spending since 1974.

The lesson here is that we have a right to be skeptical of so-called stimulus packages. The Federal Reserve can effectively stimulate the economy. There are certain automatic government programs, like unemployment insurance, which also do it. But the history of the past century suggests that politically designed, ad hoc stimulus packages rarely work.

Often they get the timing wrong; they come too late to do any real good. Often they get the pressure points wrong; the economy is simply too complicated for lawmakers to know where to apply the stimulus patch. Almost always, they get psychology wrong. When you give people a chunk of money in the midst of economic turmoil, they don't spend most of it. They save it.

Nevertheless, economists continue to propose new stimulus ideas with unshaken confidence and over the next six months, the government will almost certainly pass more gigantic programs. Republican economists are talking of plans larger than $100 billion, and Democratic ones are hatching plans in the $300 billion range.

Bad policy ideas are coming in profusion. There are plans to bail out automakers. There are plans to issue more rebate checks (even though the last ones didn't work). Barack Obama is proposing one-time tax credits for small businesses that are hiring. This is an ineffectual ploy that would shower federal money on those few firms that would be hiring anyway while doing nothing for companies in struggling sectors.

These and other plans amount to an economic sugar rush. And yet the political climate being what it is, something big is going to pass.

In times like these, the best a sensible leader can do is to take the short-term panic and channel it into a program that is good on its own merits even if it does nothing to stimulate the economy over the next year. That's why I'm hoping the next president takes the general resolve to spend gobs of money, and channels it into a National Mobility Project, a long-term investment in the country's infrastructure.

Major highway projects take about 13 years from initiation to completion  too long to counteract any recession. But at least they create a legacy that can improve the economic environment for decades to come.

A major infrastructure initiative would create jobs for the less-educated workers who have been hit hardest by the transition to an information economy. It would allow the U.S. to return to the fundamentals. There is a real danger that the U.S. is going to leap from one over-consuming era to another, from one finance-led bubble to another. Focusing on infrastructure would at least get us thinking about the real economy, asking hard questions about what will increase real productivity, helping people who are expanding companies rather than hedge funds.

Moreover, an infrastructure resurgence is desperately needed. Americans now spend 3.5 billion hours a year stuck in traffic, a figure expected to double by 2020. The U.S. population is projected to increase by 50 percent over the next 42 years. American residential patterns have radically changed. Workplaces have decentralized. Commuting patterns are no longer radial, from suburban residences to central cities. Now they are complex weaves across broad megaregions. Yet the infrastructure system hasn't adapted.

The smart thing to do is announce a short-term infrastructure initiative to accelerate all those repair projects that can be done within a few years. Then, begin a long-term National Mobility Project.

Create a base-closings-like commission to organize federal priorities (Congress has forfeited its right to micromanage). Streamline the regulations that can now delay project approval by five years. Explore all the new ideas that are burgeoning in the transportation world, congestion pricing, smart highways, rescue plans for shrinking Midwestern cities, new rail and airplane technologies. When you look into this sector, you see we are on the cusp of another transportation revolution.

A mobility project would dovetail with the energy initiatives both presidential candidates have offered. It would benefit from broad political support from liberals and business groups alike. It would rebalance this economy, so there is more productive weight to go along with Wall Street wizardry.

Smart investors are going to take advantage of the current panic to make money. A smart president could take advantage of it to build something that will last for decades and decades to come.

Sounds a bit like the WPA to me. In any case, I like this guy.

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Reply #52 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:24pm
 
OK, I'm going to put my foot in my mouth.....

what makes it right that Exxon, or any other huge corporation, make record profits when our people and our country are in such a disasterous situation? They made it off of us!  Who else did they make it off of?

Did they not contribute to our economical downfall?  Did they not, by making it harder to buy product and less product, have an adverse effect on our economy?

Talk about having too many employees, thus the lay-offs, the reason I quit working at the hospital was because they kept adding patients to the nurses patient-to nurse-ratio until the nurses quit, but were not replaced.  Therefore, the patients are not getting the proper care and are suffering because of it.  

Most of my friends, all working for different companies. are being over-worked to death!  They work later and take work home with them at night and on week-ends.  Raises have been reduced to 1-1/2 to 2%.  Wow. That's a whopping .20 to .30 cents per hour...once per year.  But the cost of living goes up....what is it now....over 5%?

The middle class is gone.  It is now only the rich and the poor.
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Reply #53 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:34pm
 
Our system has some big flaws. The gap between rich and poor is as great as it was in 1920. That's not good.

In the 50s....those glorious years....as everyone likes to say...at least business, labor, defense, and research got along better.

It's called greed without conscience and we are now paying for it; literally.

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Reply #54 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:37pm
 
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The middle class is gone.  It is now only the rich and the poor................


I think it depends upon what a person calls "rich" or "poor".  I don't have any money, but I'm rich in family and friends - does that count?  Wink
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Reply #56 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:50pm
 
I'm rich like you Marc, but I NEED many things that only money can buy and my family and friends would be the last place I would look to for help.
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Reply #57 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 5:48pm
 
Donna, so is the government a better option than your friends or family?  Even Obama preaches the fact that family is where that responsibility lies.  It's just that he doesn't feel like that applies to him, I guess, seeing that his illegal immigrant auntie that was so special to him (according to his book) lives in a Boston slum.
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Reply #58 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 6:46pm
 
Fu, I don't understand what you are asking me.  If it's do I believe who should help if I need help, my answer is that I don't ask for help.......from friends, family or government.  I've gotten by thus far by the skin of my own teeth and, hopefully, I'll never be in a position to have to burden my family.  I don't own a credit card, pay cash for everything and if I don't have the money, I don't buy.  That may not be smart by most people's books, but I'm not in debt and would be worried to death if I were.
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Reply #59 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 6:59pm
 
Well, you said the last place you would ask for help was friends or family.  I took that to mean you'd ask somewhere else first, not that you'd never ask for help.
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Reply #60 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:19pm
 
I give up trying to make my point. Our bus drivers are privately owned and contracted out. Maybe some schools run differently but where I work we are all trying to do the best we can with what we have. We are very rural and get very little help. Like Donna said, teachers are quitting and they don't replace them. My friend is a school nurse in a grade 6-12  High School. The nurse she worked with retired and they didn't replace her. She is running in circles trying to deal with everything. My classes are getting more and more overcrowded because they just can't afford to hire more teachers. We have state mandates, ect. that makes it even harder. Imagine how much more money we would have if the driver's didn't have to pay $4/gallon like we did last year?? We are discussing going to a 4 day a week schedule with 90 min. extra each day. That keeps the buses off the road  and the schools closed one day a week. I think Lisa will end up teaching in private school next year. I sure would if I was just starting!

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cash5542 wrote on Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:19pm:
I think Lisa will end up teaching in private school next year.


That seems wise.
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Reply #62 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 10:05pm
 
Once again, we complain about the record profits of Exxon Mobil. XOM supplies several petroleum based products, including oil, which is made into gasoline, which, as Shawn said, is taxed to death, and we have to purchase in order to drive.

I have a suggestion, why don''t you buy some stock in the company? Then you can go to the stockholders meeting and bring up your concerns. Making a record profit? I think you'd be laughed out of the room. That's what companies strive for. That's what companies do, is make a profit, that's why they are in business.

Why blame XOM on the economic crisis we are having now? They didn't cause it. They supply products that we demand, and not just gasoline.

I suppose you could try to get people to stop buying products made by XOM. Hefty trash bags? That's just one of the things they supply. I wonder why the complaints, what about the other corporations who have made record profits. Why does no one complain about Bill Gates, who is a billionaire from selling Windows operating systems? C'mon, people. Exxon is not the only company out there. They just get the most press.

Shawn, you said it. People are being manipulated by the media. Think for yourselves. Companies are in business to make money. Stockholders expect those companies to make money. Publicly held companies have a responsibility to their stockholders. Make a profit.

I own stock in XOM, and I'm damn glad they are doing so well.   

Charlotte, you have 20 kids in your kindergarten class? Not bad, really, when I was in school, kindergarten included, there were 30 to 31 kids in each classroom. It was like that all through grade school and high school.
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Reply #63 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 11:00pm
 
I have more than 20 in kindergarten. When I first started teaching almost 30 years ago, this wasn't an issue because kids were different. We didn't do so much inclusion and testing. Kindergarten was for socialization and some academics. It was also half day. The kids we get now are such a combination of abilities and manners, some aren't even toilet trained. As far as my older students, it's the same deal. Many abilities all mixed together with some major social issues. My first years of teaching were usually 25 to 32 in a class. Things are much different now thanks to No CHild Left Behind.

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...softwarecompanies, operate at 40-60% margins...


If you are talking operating margins, that would be different from net margins.



2006

Normalized net profit margins in the Software sector for the most recently reported quarter ranged from 35.7% (CHKP) down to 4.5% (LNUX), with a median value of 14.4%

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Bob P wrote on Nov 1st, 2008 at 1:24pm:
70% of our oil consumption goes to transportation...



It looks like the U.S. energy consumption by the transportation sector is about 28.5%

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Kevin_M wrote on Nov 1st, 2008 at 11:25pm:
2006

Normalized net profit margins in the Software sector for the most recently reported quarter ranged from 35.7% (CHKP) down to 4.5% (LNUX), with a median value of 14.4%




Hard data is good to have.

With the software industry at 14.4% (median), my point is that just over 10% for Exxon is not obscene.  Thank you for looking up the data... I was lazy.
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Reply #66 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 12:50am
 
Don't blame Exxon for the high price of oil.  They are not the ones who banned drilling on the continental shelf, in the midwest, in the rockies, in Alaska, off the Alaskan coast, do I need say more?  If we could have been drilling here in the USA instead of importing the majority of our oil, and if we could have been refining all of our oil instead of having to import gasoline because we have not been able to build a refinery since 1972 the price of oil would be down to where we would not be paying the high prices that we are. 

Did Exxon make a large profit?  Sure.  Good for them!  They won't do it every year, unless our energy policy in DC continues to keep us in short supply.  Remember the concept of supply and demand?  Did you notice OPEC has cut production again since the price of oil started dropping?  Is that Exxon's fault?  Should they just give it away?  Chicago is now charging 10.25% sales tax.  Should they be hit with a windfall profits tax???  The percentage of sales tax is higher than the percentage Exxon made in profit.  How much does Chicago have at risk to justify that kind of return? 

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Reply #68 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 2:41am
 
What is it? Something like 68 million drillable acres owned and not drilled by big oil off shore? As has been said, we use 25% of the oil and the best esitimates are that we have about 3% of the oil that we need under our flabby asses.

Most of our oil comes from those hosers up north anyway.  Cool

Oh.....and here is one thing that might bode well for entities like big oil. Try a little good will by helping out a strapped school transportation system or two. It benefits almost everybody.

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Reply #69 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 4:20am
 
cash5542 wrote on Nov 1st, 2008 at 11:00pm:
I have more than 20 in kindergarten. When I first started teaching almost 30 years ago, this wasn't an issue because kids were different. We didn't do so much inclusion and testing. Kindergarten was for socialization and some academics. It was also half day. The kids we get now are such a combination of abilities and manners, some aren't even toilet trained. As far as my older students, it's the same deal. Many abilities all mixed together with some major social issues. My first years of teaching were usually 25 to 32 in a class. Things are much different now thanks to No CHild Left Behind.

Charlotte



What you said is absolutely right, Charlotte, and I totally forgot about that. It's a shame that kids don't come to school prepared, even in kindergarten. When I was there, we were all 5 year olds that did a little academic learning, like learning how to write our names, learning the names of things, did lot's of art and a bit more,  but we socialized, and learned to get along, and took a nap every day, and it was only half a day. And we were all toilet trained.  Roll Eyes That is inexcusable.

Things are different now. And have been for quite some time. I was speaking with a woman at work the other day about the lack of work ethic of young people today, and why that is. It's a rare young person who is interested in working, and comes to work ready to work.

Interesting how kids go to school not prepared, teachers are expected to "raise" people's children for them, then when they get into the work force, they find out expectations are entirely different. Welcome to the real world.

Part of filling out an application to work for my company involves taking a math test. It's 20 questions, and has equations and "story problems", dealing with fractions, percentages, and general math. I apparently did it the fastest of any applicant, and was the only one to get 100% right. These are typical math situations that I run into every day.

When I'd give people the application to fill out later, many people would come back to me and say "I can't do that kind of math", or only answer a few questions, and leave the rest. There is no time limit, they get to use a calculator (although at the time, I couldn't), and have scratch paper.

Oh, and the company I work for has no debt, and has made a record profit every year for the last 5 years. Just not as much as XOM.
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Transportation is 29% of our total energy consumption but 70% of our petroleum consumption goes to transportation.

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Callico wrote on Nov 2nd, 2008 at 12:50am:
Don't blame Exxon for the high price of oil.  They are not the ones who banned drilling on the continental shelf, in the midwest, in the rockies, in Alaska, off the Alaskan coast, do I need say more?  If we could have been drilling here in the USA instead of importing the majority of our oil, and if we could have been refining all of our oil instead of having to import gasoline because we have not been able to build a refinery since 1972 the price of oil would be down to where we would not be paying the high prices that we are.  

Did Exxon make a large profit?  Sure.  Good for them!  They won't do it every year, unless our energy policy in DC continues to keep us in short supply.  Remember the concept of supply and demand?  Did you notice OPEC has cut production again since the price of oil started dropping?  Is that Exxon's fault?  Should they just give it away?  Chicago is now charging 10.25% sales tax.  Should they be hit with a windfall profits tax???  The percentage of sales tax is higher than the percentage Exxon made in profit.  How much does Chicago have at risk to justify that kind of return?  

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Reply #72 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 7:51am
 
Charlie wrote on Nov 2nd, 2008 at 2:41am:
What is it? Something like 68 million drillable acres owned and not drilled by big oil off shore?

Charlie, from Factcheck.org...

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Q: Are the Democrats correct in stating that oil companies are leasing 68 million acres in the U.S. that are not being used?


A: Not exactly. More than 4,700 new holes are being drilled on current onshore leases.
Republicans, including presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain, have been arguing that the federal ban on drilling for oil on certain offshore lands should be lifted. President Bush, in fact, repealed the presidential ban on such drilling on July 14; Congress would still need to remove its restrictions before the land would be available for exploration. Many Democrats disagree with such plans, and they have been saying that the oil companies already have more land than they know what to do with.

On June 24, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama used this argument in a speech in Nevada:  
Obama (June 24): The oil companies already own drilling rights to 68 million acres of federal lands, onshore and offshore, that they haven't touched. 68 million acres that have the potential to nearly double America's total oil production.

The charge has been repeated by Nancy Pelosi and others in his party.


Unused Acres?


According to the U.S. Department of the Interior's Mineral Management Service, there are nearly 68 million acres of federal lands (onshore and off) that are part of non-producing leases as of fiscal year 2007. This is in contrast to 25.7 million acres of leased lands that are producing oil. So, there are 68 million acres of leased land on which companies aren't extracting oil, but Obama went too far when he said oil companies "haven't touched" them. As Bureau of Land Management Petroleum Engineer Bill Gewecke, who manages the onshore sites, told us, he "wouldn't say untouched, [I] would say undeveloped."

That's because these leased lands that don't contain productive drilling operations likely are not lying idle as Obama implies. There are a lot of steps and procedures involved in setting up a productive oil well on leased land, both onshore and off. The Bureau of Land Management's Web site lists the regulatory hurdles that need to be cleared as part of the larger five-step life cycle of a well. The path to setting up an offshore drilling operation is even longer, as shown in a large flow chart developed by the MMS.

And there is a lot of activity occurring on leased lands that does not qualify as "production." For 2006, the BLM reported that there were 77,257 productive holes onshore in the U.S. Beyond that, there were 6,738 applications for drilling permits, 4,708 holes in which companies had begun drilling and 3,693 where drilling had ended among onshore lands. That's a total of more than 15,000 holes that were being proposed, started or finished that do not count as "productive" holes. And that doesn't even include holes that might have been continually drilled throughout the year for exploratory reasons.

It's not known how much of that drilling is taking place on leases currently classified as "non-producing" and how much is taking place on leases that are already producing oil. BLM's Gewecke told us that the agency does not track acreage that is being developed or explored. And Andy Radford, an analyst with the American Petroleum Institute, an industry trade association, told us that the oil companies are "very secretive about announcing where they are testing, exploring and thinking of drilling because the industry is very competitive."

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Re: Exxon's profit for this past quarter
Reply #73 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 8:20am
 
Bob P wrote on Nov 2nd, 2008 at 6:33am:
Transportation is 29% of our total energy consumption but 70% of our petroleum consumption goes to transportation.

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I see Bob.  Petroleum is about 40% of U.S. energy demand.  70% of this goes to transportation.  

Of 100% of energy demand, about 29% goes to transportation (rounded, 70% of 40%).

From the wrong viewpoint I read was housed the answer but involved a little simple math, needing the total consumption figure.  Wink

From the chart in the link I posted, transportation used 5,105,000,000 barrels of oil in 2006.

From your link:

U.S. Petroleum Consumption:  20,687,000 barrels/day


5,105,000,000 divided by 365 is about 14 million barrels/day.  

Lookin' like 70%     Smiley



Doesn't leave much room left for Hefty Bags.  



Thanks, Bob.
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Re: Exxon's profit for this past quarter
Reply #74 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 12:38pm
 
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After paying my obsene property taxes that have tripled over the last fifteen yrs to pay for abysmal education in the government schools, my daughter's education costs approximately $4000 in a private school


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    This is where my tax dollars are going more and more towards. Somedays I am so glad I don't have kids. I would have bought some lawyer 2 cars and a garage to put them in by now. I know that there a lot of teachers out there doing what they can to teach our future, but I think your profession has been hijacked. I'm sorry, but if you blew shit up, you don't get to teach my kids anything, I don't care what your qualifications are.

Mike

P.S. If you get your news from the NYT, you don't get to chap my ass where I get mine.
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