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Nov 10th, 2008 at 1:15pm
 
What is the point, every year, I get a flu shot. I keep hand sanitizer on my desk, due to the amount of people who come in and hand me stuff they need. I keep anti-bacterial wipes on a shelf behind my desk, and use them every time I touch something.

There are 600 people in the plant, and I do what I can, and still I get sick. I got a flu shot 2 weeks ago. My doctor had a cold when I saw him.

I came home Thurs. and jumped in a HOT shower. Went to work Friday, and felt it coming on, got some Zicam, started it immediately.

My point is, you are going to catch it anyway, doorknobs, telephones, anything you touch, and today I felt horrible with severe body aches. I went to work, and got some "had to finish" stuff done, and came home after 4 hours.

We are both sick. The girl that comes to clean twice a week, showed up last week sick as a dog, coughing and hacking all over the place. I went over everything she touched with disinfectant. Why would the service allow a sick person to come to a person's house who can't get sick? We called her and asked her not to come until she was well.

And I have to ask, what about people who go to work sick as a dog, nose running, sniffing, blowing their nose , contagious as hell. And what about health workers who go to work with the same symptoms? Why don't these people take a day off? 

I HATE being sick. It hurts like hell, like having the flu, like being run over by a truck, but way worse.  Angry

And there is nothing I can do to stop it. At least I've got it early in the year.
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Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 1:37pm
 
Maybe you are sanitizing / disinfecting too much?
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Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 1:52pm
 
I may catch some flack for this Chris, but I have this feeling that all the anti-microbial wipes and hand cleaners, washing things with bleach daily is only making matters worse.

The whole "germ-O-phobe" teachings over the years, IMHO, has lowered our bodies own natural defence systems.  We aren't building the natural anti-bodies against the germs out there.  

When we do get nailed with something it really wipes us out at the knees.

Just take good care of yourselfs down there ok?  Rest up and re-coop, plenty of liquids and stay warm.

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Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
Sounds like you answered your own question. I see a lot of people way to worried about little critters you can't see.
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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 2:17pm
 
I attended a seminar a few weeks ago and one of the speakers was an Infectious Disease physician.

We got into the discussion about how we see so many Moms running after their children wiping their hands with anti-bacterial wipes, lotions, etc. and freaking out if they get a little bit of dirt on them.  When we were kids we played with all sorts of critters in the creek and woods, shared food, drinks, etc. and we survived.

The doc told the story of how whenever his Mom heard of a kid in the neighborhood who had chicken pox, measles or any other childhood illness, she would send her son over to play with the kid so he would contract the illness and "get it over with".  He also joked that he thinks his Mom was trying to get rid of him. Smiley

We are beginning to get somewhat of a control on MRSA but now other nasty antibiotic resistant organisms are starting to rear their ugly little heads thanks to the over usage of antibiotics.

The speaker mentioned how some parents get upset with him when he won't prescribe antibiotics for their children when they are sick.  He explains to them that some studies show that their child will recover in the same amount of time with or without an antibiotic and will be better off in the long run without the antibiotics.

I think all of the hype about sanitizing everything in sight has become a bit crazy.  Sure, washing your hands as often as you can and keeping them away from your face, eyes and nose is a good practice but we can't shield ourself 100% from everything.

As far as health care workers or anyone going to work when they are sick, I agree that they should stay home if they can but some people cannot afford to take a day or two off and have to work to earn a living.

Take care of yourself, push the fluids and rest if you can.  It sucks to be sick but sometimes we just have to let it run its course.

Feel better soon.
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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 2:45pm
 
Well, I'm not a freak about keeping my hands clean... I wash my hands after I use the washroom, and in cold/ flu season, when people at work are sick, I use the disinfectant, and use the wipes to clean my hands about twice a day, usually before I eat. We installed about 30 dispensers for hand disinfectant throughout the plant, but you are right, that's not going to stop it.

I just think if people who are sick would stay home when they are really sick, it may help to not spread it to other people. I know I'm gonna get it, and I always do. It just hits me really hard and the aches and pains are tripled, and that's what I hate. Plus, it always starts me into a mini-cycle.

And of course, I try not to touch my nose or rub my eyes, but it seems like as soon as you get it, you want to do that!  At least it's early in the year, and I hope this is it for this season. Good thing is you are immune once you have it.
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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 3:04pm
 
I had to have a flu jab because of how ill I've been - I'll always have to have them now but such is life, they just make me sick themselves funnily enough!

I can't agree enough though about people who should stay home but don't however - I can't fault them in some ways. When people don't get paid when they are sick they can't afford to stay home. With bills to pay and food to buy who can afford unpaid "leave"? The fault doesn't just lie with the "sickee's" but with the fact they have no choice
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Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 3:15pm
 
Chris, I can't speak as to folks staying home from work, but we discovered here in Buncombe County NC that if the kids miss more than 5 days, they will not get credit for their classes.  Now for most kids that's probably a great incentive, however, Alex has to miss time for his head - we get doctors notes etc. and we have done everything we can to educate the school.  But bottom line is I'm left sending my kids to school when they are sick because they don't want to lose credit for their classes.  Of course the kids bring home everything that is going around at the school and get Clark and I sick, but I don't work at outside employment so I don't have to worry - Clark however works in the federal building and there is no place for him to go for 'sick call' when there's no base;  recipe for widespread illness there....

I actually was so disgusted after the principal called me about Alex's time (all headache related except for when a kid walked up and sucker punched him so he defended himself and they got a 3 day out of school suspension that counts against his 5 days) that I am going to send to the boy to school hacking and coughing and sneezing and everyone just to prove a point.  It does no one any good for a kid to be at school sick.

Sorry you are feeling so rotten, hope you get to feeling better real soon and that the beast loses your vacation in the process.

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Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 3:40pm
 
Cat-

Sorry to hijack the thread...  I'll be done after I tell this to Cat

I work for a large school district in NC and actually work alot with board policy and handle complaints about attendance.  Just thought I'd share this info with you.  Sometimes school districts can be so punitive and silo issues.


In this county- it is 10 unexcused absences and the student may be retained and have to go to truancy court.   If a student has a medical condition and has doctors notes - no one would pursue truancy , and typically the school would waive those absences.  They would also allow the student to make up time, either afterschool or saturday school.

Also- have you thought about a 504 plan because of your sons headaches?  Since his medical condition could effect his academic performance he may qualify. This would provide some level of protection from the punitive attendance law.   You could ask any of your school counselors there about it-  I would google 504 first to be sure you are in the know- in case the counselor doesn't give you all the info about it up front.  

Hope things work out for you.  Feel free to pm me if you need some more info.


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Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 4:04pm
 
I know you are not personally over zealous Chris.  What I believe Cyn and I both are trying to say is that there has been an overuse use of both the cleaners as well as antibiotics on a wide scale.

It's more of a domino effect than anything. 


I can understand the concern of workplace illness. And I agree. But...

When I was at the radio station I had a bad case of shingles and was very ill, but no one else knew my job and I had no choice but to be at work.  No playback logs merged and loaded..., the station went off the air at Midnight. I had my left arm srapped up mummy style all the way to my fingertips from the blisters.
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Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 4:44pm
 
Redd wrote on Nov 10th, 2008 at 4:04pm:
I know you are not personally over zealous Chris.  What I believe Cyn and I both are trying to say is that there has been an overuse use of both the cleaners as well as antibiotics on a wide scale.

It's more of a domino effect than anything.  


I can understand the concern of workplace illness. And I agree. But...

When I was at the radio station I had a bad case of shingles and was very ill, but no one else knew my job and I had no choice but to be at work.  No playback logs merged and loaded..., the station went off the air at Midnight. I had my left arm srapped up mummy style all the way to my fingertips from the blisters.


I would have to agree.  Antibiotics are doled out like candy and many, many times the treatment is terminated before all the bugs are killed.  The ones left have drug resistance.  I don't believe in all the hand gels and antibacterial soap.  Plain old soap does a good job if you are through.  My Grandmother had a saying which was dirt makes fat.  It was a rough translation from a german saying which meant getting your hands dirty will make you stronger.  True in many ways! Wink

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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 6:36pm
 
Still hijacking!  Cat, I agree with Mezza on this.  We have the same policy in our school district.  Might want to talk to the principal again.

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Reply #12 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 7:13pm
 
I hate to say this out loud and jinx myself but I rarely get sick and have never had a flu shot. I don't use antianything soaps. I do teach art though and wash my hands very often just cause they are dirty, messy or sticky. I have little ones sneeze all over me.

On the other hand my first 3 years of teaching I was sooo sick every Oct. I am watching our new Kindergarten teacher in her 2nd year go through the same thing. She always has a runny nose. I think immunities are built up when you are around this all the time.

I wish everyone would stay home, adults and kids when they are sick but it's just not going to happen. Parents can't afford to take the time off to stay with their kids sometimes and have no choice. That's a whole other issue. Cat, in my school district the key was UN excused absences. If I'm out more than 3 consecutive days I need a doctor's note. We have had a few kids with major long term illness that have home bound tutors. They just can't cope with the long days and the exposure to all the sickness is hard on their immune system.

Charlotte (who better not get sick after saying she doesn't get sick!)
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Reply #13 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 7:43pm
 
You teachers have my sympathies. 

I rarely get sick, and I don't think I've had the 'flu itself for a couple of decades, but when El was small, she used to bring the crud home with her all the time.  Little kids are mobile disease vectors.   Tongue

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Reply #14 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 7:55pm
 
Charlotte,

I can totally identify with the kids sneezing.  Whenever I am on the units at the hospital, we always have little ones sneaking out of their rooms.  They will begin to talk to me and before I know it, they somehow weasel their way onto my lap.  While they are showing me their "boo-boos" or new toy, the sneezes or coughs begin to fly.

The first year I worked at CHOP, I was almost always sick.  We tell all new employees that the first year is the toughest but after that, germs will look at you and run the other way.

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OUCH. Sorry to hear and hope you are getting on top of this thing.

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Reply #16 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 9:44pm
 
Maybe if you drank a shot of hand sanitizer it would work from the inside out.

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Reply #17 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 5:50am
 
I think that doc was right -- germs are good - antibiotics are bad. I always heard you can take antibiotics and get over the flu in 7 days or take nothing and get over it in a week.

So, I've decided now that since "dirt"is good - to stop cleaning house. I NEED the germs!!!  Smiley

Ok, seriously, I do think we take kids to the doc way too much and give them way too much meds. (us too). When we come down with the "sniffles" or worse around here, I mix up some spice tea and put a big dose of cinnamon snapps in it. Ya drink the nice tea after a really hot bath, then go to bed and sweat the old cold out. Ya feel much better come morning. (Caution - do NOT drink the tea while in the bathtub - you will NOT like the results! The cold will be the "least" of your problems!)

Also, if you're really coughing bad - Rub your feet with Vicks salve - put on heavy socks and get under the cover and go to sleep. Wouldn't hurt to rub your chest also.

A tablespoon of honey with about a 1/4 teaspoon of cinnamon for a few days will help with hacking coughs (smear it on toast if you can't just take it out of the spoon).

And of course Granny has a new batch of cough syrup made up for the winter season!

My mother had a sure fire rememdy --  A pint of PRUNE JUICE. She had this theory that a good cleaning out would CURE about anything and quickly. It usually did and we were never sick much.... (at least around her! Wink)

Hope everyone has a really LIGHT flu season.

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Reply #18 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:01am
 
Thanks everyone for the info and the input.  Alex was on IEP and is in the process of being switched over to the 504 (we didn't have that in NE for some reason) so that he can get extra time to make up work if he misses.

Unfortunately the school shows him as having un excused absences even though there are Dr's notes on record, so it's a battle...nothing is ever easy  Roll Eyes

Until they get their system sorted out, I either send him to school sick or have to try and get a same day Dr's appt (not an easy thing out here)  Either way, the battle is on, and likely won't stop til they get all their stuff sorted out on the school end (we are still waiting for them to get back to us on the filing of the 504 - no idea what the problem is)

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BarbaraD wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 5:50am:
I think that doc was right -- germs are good - antibiotics are bad. I always heard you can take antibiotics and get over the flu in 7 days or take nothing and get over it in a week.

So, I've decided now that since "dirt"is good - to stop cleaning house. I NEED the germs!!!  Smiley

Ok, seriously, I do think we take kids to the doc way too much and give them way too much meds. (us too). When we come down with the "sniffles" or worse around here, I mix up some spice tea and put a big dose of cinnamon snapps in it. Ya drink the nice tea after a really hot bath, then go to bed and sweat the old cold out. Ya feel much better come morning. (Caution - do NOT drink the tea while in the bathtub - you will NOT like the results! The cold will be the "least" of your problems!)

Also, if you're really coughing bad - Rub your feet with Vicks salve - put on heavy socks and get under the cover and go to sleep. Wouldn't hurt to rub your chest also.

A tablespoon of honey with about a 1/4 teaspoon of cinnamon for a few days will help with hacking coughs (smear it on toast if you can't just take it out of the spoon).

And of course Granny has a new batch of cough syrup made up for the winter season!

My mother had a sure fire rememdy --  A pint of PRUNE JUICE. She had this theory that a good cleaning out would CURE about anything and quickly. It usually did and we were never sick much.... (at least around her! Wink)

Hope everyone has a really LIGHT flu season.

Hugs BD


One year, I started getting the flu, body aches, etc, when I was working one night. After work, I went to the liquor store next door and got some Tom & Jerry mix, which is kinda like a thick eggnog batter. You take a coffee cup, put a shot of rum and a shot of brandy, then fill it to about 2/3rds full with HOT water. Then take a big spoonful of this batter, and drop it in and stir. Sprinkle nutmeg and cinnamon on top and enjoy. I had 2 that night, and every sip was like being in a hot bath. Every single sip I was saying AHHHH. LOL Still felt like crap the next 2 days, but it was nice while it lasted that night.

Usually, I fix hot lemon tea with honey, and add a shot of Jim Beam. Soothes the sore throat and works on the body aches. One does the trick, after a hot bath, then off to bed.

Feeling better today, thanks everyone for the well wishes.  Smiley

One thing about antibiotics is I never take them when I'm sick. I don't even ask, unless I have strep throat, which used to find me quite often. I haven't had it in a year or so. Using anti-biotics for a virus is a waste of time, plus it makes bacteria more resistant to them.

Also, one thing I'd like to mention. When you get a script of anti-biotics, take them all until they are gone. Stopping them when you feel better also makes bacteria more resistant, and there are many A/B resistant strains of bacteria, like tuberculosis for example. It makes them harder to treat, makes the treatment last longer, and who wants to take pills any longer than you have to?

I remember my grandmother had a A/B resistant blood infection, and had to be treated with vancomycin, via IV, in the hospital and it was the strongest A/B at the time.
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Reply #20 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 7:22pm
 
At the risk of sounding paranoid I wouldn't get a flu shot ever since I have no idea what they're pumping into me. Additionally, influenza is known for its mutating capabilities so what you're being innoculated against may not be what comes to get you, and frequently isn't.

A shot of Reishi tea works just as well and boosts the entire immune system to ward off that stuff naturally. Not unlike most western medicines, screwing with our bodies by introducing unnatural entities is a recipe for immediate or future problems.

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Reply #21 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 6:41pm
 
purpleydog wrote on Nov 10th, 2008 at 1:15pm:
I went to work, and got some "had to finish" stuff done, and came home after 4 hours.



I agree with you on this Purpley but most of us would stay home if we could but is not always an option. Just like you choosing to go in for 4 hours. I really dont know many folks that would prefer to be at work when they feel like dog doo.  It just isn't an option for most.

I usually use most of my sick time taking my child to wellness appts, dental appts, vision appts and also staying home with her when she is ill. Doesn't leave a whole lot of time for me to be home sick.

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Reply #22 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 9:16pm
 
I've been getting really slammed the last few days, bad. I'm almost out of trex, and no refills, and because my neuro didn't squeeze me in when he said he would, the next appt is 6 months away. I was at work yesterday, pulled out my kit, and filled a syringe with half a shot in front of my boss.

My left eye is bright red, hurts like a m*ther fucker, half closed, tearing, nose running, shadows are at a constant 8... I can't move my eye, it hurts so bad. I look like hell.

Today, my boss was telling me he threw his neck out in the shower. Kept complaining about it, I offered him some ibuprofen. This afternoon, he kept complaining about his neck, like he was planning on going home, and he kept looking at me, and shutting up. I finally had to go outside for some air. I took one full shot of trex, and headed outside for a couple of smokes. Damn. Trex didn't work.

When I left for the day, an hour later, I was wincing from the pain. Looked like shit. I didn't say a word to my boss about it. Was hoping I could drive.  Hit the O2 after I got home, and the pain finally reduced down to about a 4.

I have another sinus infection, which I've been fighting for months. Got some antibiotics today, and I hope they work.

I've been considering a pred taper, but I can't take it with the Levaquin. In fact, I was reading and found out it interacts with a bunch of meds. Anyone have any problem with taking Levaquin?
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