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Nov 16th, 2008 at 5:03am
 
You know - it's been harder and harder to come back each time I've had some time away through illness or other shit in my life.

The ugliness, animosity and self righteousness here really sticks in my throat. Being here, somewhere I've considered home for so long, with people I don't just consider friends but my family.. isn't somewhere I want to be anymore. I can't tell you how that is hurting me.

There is a thread on the meds and therapies board from a newbie called Andy about how diet pepsi has helped her. Yes, she used the unforgiveable "cure" word but FFS - is that a hanging offence?

The ugliness and ignorance displayed there is just about the final straw for me after a night spent vomiting and in indescribable stomach pain... although lets face it, stomach pain doesn't count here does it?

After all, we suffer from the "worst pain" man can endure. We are survivors, we are invincible.. or are we all arseholes?

Does it matter who's pain is worse when people are hurting? Does our pain give us the right to inflict even more on others? Do we learn any humility or compassion? Do we ever give a shit about anyone else other than "us"?

Will we ever have a cure? Will we ever DESERVE a cure? I've heard it said so many times that God doesn't give us more than we can endure, well, just maybe, God gives us "lessons" If so, we sure as hell aren't learning much.

We bitch about "meegrainers", we gang up on newbies who aren't trying to sell anything, just bloody well help, we fight amongst ourselves, We drag OUCH into the ground instead of trying to work together. We hold ourselves back at every conceivable opportunity.

When was the last time any of you thought "What can I do?" instead of "What can be done for me?"

It's the absolute opposites here that are so hard to understand.. you all display such love and care for me and yet you (collective) have just treated a newbie like shit just for being enthusiastic and trying to help. Well guess what? I was new once and so were you. Did we know it all? Did we hell as like! If we did we wouldn't have been HERE now would we?

Some of us need to remember what it's like to be new, confused, scared, uneducated and afraid. Some of us need to try thinking of things from a different perspective to the usual pomous arrogance.

Like it, lump it, listen or ignore, the choice is yours.

Flame away, I couldn't care less. Actually, thats a complete LIE. If I didn't care, if I didn't care and love this place with every breath I take I wouldn't be writing this, I'd have just stopped posting and bollocks to everything.

All I know is I have enough REAL shit in my life daily, enough misery, pain and trauma to make me feel like I want to go to sleep and never wake up. I don't need to come here for a further lesson in how horrible man can be.

If you've read this far, thank you for that at least.

Helen


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Reply #1 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 6:14am
 
Helen, I am so sorry you feel like this.

I know I have not been here as much and have found few posts that I wish to contribute to.  I could not have said why, just that the whole place did not have the feel to it that it had a year ago.  I thought it was all to do with the politics turning everyone crazy.

I am sure this site turns in cirlces like life, sometimes its all good , sometimes its all bad, but mostly its a bit of everything, I am sure the balance will turn for the better.

I miss you being around, I miss Tony  I miss a lot of people who used to bring thier lives  to share with us all.  

But I am thankful for your Yorkishire pud recipe, that has never failed me and I will be making again to-day.

I hope to be able to respond to  one of your posts again but Helen take care of your self first and formost

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Reply #2 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 7:21am
 
Thank you Helen dear friend

You have just pinpointed many of the thoughts and words i had i my thread "I have a dream"

This has been nagging me since day one.

Out of politeness and tremedous respect for you i will NOT say what kind of advice someone else gave me after my thread.

Yess , that person is among the leaders of OUCH but i will let those word be unsaid here

Just know i am behind you 100% on what you have said here


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Reply #3 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 7:34am
 
Helen, PLEASE don't leave.

You are a valued asset to this board.  I read through that thread, this morning, and was shocked and embarrassed at my part in it.  I posted a public apology in that thread.  I will do so here, too.

I am sorry for what I said in that thread.  I was VERY wrong.

I am not saying this just to keep you here, Helen.  I wrote that before I even read this thread.  I wrote it for Andy, and the whole board, and because I was wrong, and needed to publicly address that fact, and own up to my stupidity.

I am deeply sorry for your feelings, yet I fully understand.

Please don't leave.

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Reply #4 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 7:45am
 
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It would be ashame if you were to leave Helen.  You have helped many people.  I feel that many of the posts lashing out at newbies are the result of ones own pain within.  Perhaps not CH but pain and conflict none the less.  Ther is a lot of hatred and crulity in the world and unfortunatly it finds it's way here too.  I guess there is no getting around it.  Only you can decide what is best for you and if a break is the Rx for you, then people will understand.

I do know that this will be a very empty place without you!  Your laughter, humor and knowledge have given many that have sought this place a ray of hope.

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Reply #5 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 7:56am
 
Been a dynamic of the board for a long time.

There should be a "Slamming" section where the moderator periodically posts a thread like "I found the cure" or "Narcotics - the magic bullet".  Then people could do the venting they need to do in that one area.

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Reply #6 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 8:14am
 
Bob, there is a big difference between venting and attacking, but you are right, it has been a dynamic since I have been here.  I once mentioned something that helped me and I got the same treatment.  I never said it was a cure or anything close to it.  People just need to grow up and be more accepting of others, but they won't until the moderators do something about it.  Until then, it just is what it is.  you get to learn who all the usual suspects are after a while and then you can use the "ignore" option if you wish...I have.

Have a nice day!  

What the hell???  where did the "ignore" buttons go?  I took a break from this place for a little while and they went and changed it.  It must just be part of the moderator's plan to clean things up...
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Reply #7 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 8:24am
 
Heaven help me! I'm glad I was out last night.........but, sheesh, you guys! The replies I read had absolutely nothing TO DO WITH HELP-and, yes, she could've benefitted from some help, by way of education.
I can also understand a Clusterhead's anger and frustration at a post like that one.......but you're not posting to Andy, you're posting to the beast.
I'll continue to say this. It makes no sense whatsoever that SOMEONE who has suffered  the  physical pain that is CH would inflict this additional pain, albeit emotional on a fellow sufferer! 

Joe, I saw your attempt, Chuck I saw your apology, Helen, I hear you. I agree, Helen, it's hurtful!

I have no 'need' to be here..well, yes I do. I gain a lot by being
involved here, but I just flipping HATE it when a newby, for whatever reason becomes 'chum', before they can even settle in...so they run.....
Just like the Crips and the Bloods. maybe we need a "jumping in" forum...if you can surivive the flaming, then the tar and feathering, then the kicking you get when you're down, THEN, you can be a Clusterhead! OOORRRr maybe we simply need to re-find our compassion....
Andy made 2 mistakes. She assumed her diet coke was a CURE......and, she waited 8 yrs to share it...... soo, rather than explain, patiently, as you might someone who needed help with a new 02 setup, you set her heels on fire..and she'll NEVER understand what happened, but she knows Clusterheads are pretty hatetful.......

Helen, you and I BOTH know, there's a lot more good going on here than there is bad. I'm planning on staying my course. I'm not going anywhere...and people like Andy are the primary reason. These newcomers need to know there are good, caring people here too.

Nuff said.....
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They were lost, like some other things, during the last forum software upgrade.

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The ugliness, animosity and self righteousness here...


In a more detached frame, the political threads can be amusing.

Reading further, I see this wouldn't be about those.



Just want you to overcome, get well Helen, however you decide.
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Reply #10 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 9:01am
 
Helen,

I don't blame you for feeling this way. But Cathi made a point - there are plenty of us who aren't here to judge new people and make them feel like they have to justify themselves for being here in order to join the collective.

You have provided support for so many - me included! You (along with Sanna & others) made me feel SO very welcome when I first found this site. And Scott has been telling me how great you have been in supporting him. Where would we be now without your help? I dread to think.

You are loved very much here and there are so many more people finding this site who need help from people like you who are willing to listen and provide guidance.

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Reply #11 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 9:15am
 
Helen I know how you feel and it is one of the reasons I don't come here that often any more. There are some mean spirited assholes here. I truly believe it is symptom of the  condition. Some people here are quick to judge and stick their noses in others lives. But there are also some mighty fine people here who care....like you....that keep me coming back. Its funny how the good ones leave and the assholes stick around for ever. Be well and know that there ARE good people here that love and respect you that will miss you.

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Hoped it to be a healing thread.

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Reply #13 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 9:42am
 
Helen, if you give in, like others recently have, the darker voices become more the main instead of the exception.  Guiseppi was brilliant in that thread.  Almost the lone voice of reason. 

I tend to shy away from negative threads.  There is enough pain in my life right now without inviting more.  But this is one time I wish I had added one more voice of reason to a newbie thread.  I saw the word 'cure' and just knew it was going to be a ugly.

This place will be one very large part darker without you Helen.  Your voice has already been missed.  Please don't make that a permenant condition.

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Reply #14 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 11:30am
 
Thank you, Helen, for saying what many of us have long felt.  I regret that I did not post when I initially read the Andy H thread.  What good is done when people with good intentions stay silent?  More people need to speak up who feel this way, rather than fear they will be outcast for their opinions.  BS SHOULD be called out.  Obstinate and rude behavior SHOULD be called out, not ignored or passively accepted, simply by not saying anything at all.

"Bad things happen when good people stay silent."

It is just as much a crime to watch something terrible and do nothing.  For that, I am sorry. Sad

Please don't go.  We need more people like you - who are not afraid to speak up and call out the crap.  Who come with huge overflowing hearts full of love, DESPITE their pain.

You know I love you, Helen.  I would hate to lose you here.  You have been a kind, kind friend to MANY here.  Don't let your light go out on these threads.  I thank you for speaking up.

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There is a reason that the good, smart, compassionate voices of Clusterville go silent occasionally.

It's not temperament or exhaustion or ambivalence.  It's the unmitigated ugliness that takes over from time to time.  It's damn near impossible to keep that ugliness from leaking into ones own consciousness.  

The treatment is distance and silence.  For however long it takes.

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oh, helen.....................please don't leave................................i absolutely "feel" how you "feel"..........................sometimes people don't realize what they say or do..........................you are a valuable person, and one of the ones on here who helped me so much...........................pls feel free to PM me.................
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The ugliness, animosity and self righteousness here really sticks in my throat. Being here, somewhere I've considered home for so long, with people I don't just consider friends but my family.. isn't somewhere I want to be anymore. I can't tell you how that is hurting me.

It appears that Helen is not alone in her thoughts. All one has to do is look around, think back a few years and count those that for what ever reason aren't here any more. No goodbye posts, no deleted profiles, no nothing.......just gone.


KevinM writes:
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True. But those political threads can also set the tone of what's acceptable and what's not. Those threads also tend to inflame passions that spill over to other areas.....


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Been a dynamic of the board for a long time.

True. A dynamic that's been both ignored by many and exploited by a few for their own personal enjoyment or agendas.


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There is a reason that the good, smart, compassionate voices of Clusterville go silent occasionally.

It's not temperament or exhaustion or ambivalence.  It's the unmitigated ugliness that takes over from time to time.  It's damn near impossible to keep that ugliness from leaking into ones own consciousness.  

Well said.....a good explanation of what many feel.


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No need for professionalism, class, tact, or any other civil notions. Save face at all costs. Say what you will, true or not. Insult, embarrass, and intimidate. He who shouts the loudest wins. Whatever it takes. After all, it's only the internet.....there is not a human being on the other end, it's just words on a screen. If people get mad or hurt along the way, that's their problem, right?

Isn't that how we roll around here?

While full of sarcasm, I think most will get the point.


I won't beg someone to stay, that feels they need to go. I stayed one time when I should have left and it damn near drove me nuts. Why didn't I leave then? I felt an obligation to help the newbies and the good people here that keep the lights on even when they really might not feel like it. This place has saved many lives...it can save many more. It saved mine........that's why I stay.

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Racer1_NC wrote on Nov 16th, 2008 at 12:51pm:
It appears that Helen is not alone in her thoughts.


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Andy H wrote on Nov 15th, 2008 at 10:10pm:

I watched the beast come and go year after year like clock work for 8 years! Then when the 9th year came around I swore that I was going to find some kind of help on the internet and I discovered this site.


Andy H wrote on Nov 14th, 2008 at 6:29pm:
low & behold I found my cure On this site 8 years ago & decided to visit back here to tell my story in hopes of helping others.


So, which is it.......was your wife here 8 years ago or did you just find this site for her?

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Jonny, please!
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gizmo wrote on Nov 16th, 2008 at 3:23pm:
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ClusterChuck wrote on Nov 16th, 2008 at 7:34am:
Helen, PLEASE don't leave.

You are a valued asset to this board.  I read through that thread, this morning, and was shocked and embarrassed at my part in it.  I posted a public apology in that thread.  I will do so here, too.

I am sorry for what I said in that thread.  I was VERY wrong.

I am not saying this just to keep you here, Helen.  I wrote that before I even read this thread.  I wrote it for Andy, and the whole board, and because I was wrong, and needed to publicly address that fact, and own up to my stupidity.

I am deeply sorry for your feelings, yet I fully understand.

Please don't leave.

Chuck


yeah i feel the same way. it was just pepsi. she wasn't pushing sinus buster. things got escalated fast on that thread. perhaps we can learn from this. there are several members of this board that you just don't see anymore.  Undecided i would hate for ch.com to loose the compassion that it had when i first started posting.

helen, i know you and i aren't on a personal level but i do see the warmth that you bring to the board. even though we never talk if you did leave i would miss you.
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I don't think that it helps if we repeat PMs here.
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gizmo wrote on Nov 16th, 2008 at 3:55pm:
I don't think that it helps if we repeat PMs here.


Where?....I think we should be thinking about who is a liar and who is trying to pull our chain.

My post speaks for its self....fucking lies!
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