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Reply #75 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 9:49am
 
I'm disappointed at how, when someone starts with a perfectly clear statement inviting answers, the thread heads in so many directions, and then gets hurtful and insulting.

This is the section that new people come to first, in many cases.  Some never even get to the General posts. They prefer to stay here.

Now "here" isn't even comfortable any more.

So, getting back to the original post:

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I deleted my original post here because not even I know what I was trying to say.

Got oxygen? It does a CH attack good! Smiley

I got a letter in the mail today from Cigna that is very confusing and that leads me to believe that they want to cut off my oxygen. It is very cryptic in nature and says that after Dec 30th they will no longer pay Allina home oxygen. I will have to call those jokers and set them straight about the only thing that aborts for me!

I may be taking my own advice and heading down to the local welding supply store. I'm sure am glad I own my own regulator!

Roland. Angry


Roland, did they state a reason for this decision?  Have you talked to your doctor about it and can he do anything?  Perhaps if he wrote them a letter it would help.  

I think I've seen the advice of the letter here before.  Maybe someone will come along who know more about it.

You might even want to post this in the General section.

Good Luck!!
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Re: Oxygen pusher's!!
Reply #76 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 11:44am
 
What is so different about Potter's comments and those I've seen made by members here in reference to *meegrainers*?  You know, those comments that denigrate meegrainers pain because it CANNOT be as bad as ch?  There have been numerous times that I've almost deleted my account because of the nasty and uncaring comments regarding people with migraines.  Yes, I realize this is a board for ch. sufferers, but there are those here that have both and then there are others here that don't have ch, but suffer from migraines (as in supporters).  As it has been so eloquently put on more than one occasion, pain is relevant to the individual.  If you've ever made a comment like that, then don't attack Potter for his comments.

I keep reminding myself that what others say/do don't have power over me (I taught classes on this very thing to others), but it is how I choose to react that makes the difference.
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Reply #77 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 12:01pm
 
Hey Rolo,
     How ya makin out with your O2?
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Reply #78 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:03pm
 
BarbaraD wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 7:35am:
Boy! I'm seeing everyone get their panties in a wad over NOTHING!

Since the beginning, we've always shared information and if something worked for US, we got excited and SHARED our experience and HOPED it would work for everyone.

O2 has been something that WORKED or so many of us that a lot of us get excited and want it to WORK for everyone. We realize that it won't work for everyone, but we can hope that others get the relief we do from it, so we keep up the enthuiasm.

I LOVE O2 and will encourage EVERYONE to TRY it. If it works for them GREAT - if it doesn't, then so be it (you're not out that much $$). There are times I chug a Red Bull along with it (or a cup of coffee) cause it doesn't work FAST enough to suit me, but that's just me - I'll SHARE that one too.

But I emplore those of you who don't get the relief from O2 NOT to DISCOURAGE others from TRYING it. It won't hurt anyone and it might just HELP.

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Barbara, Gary doesn't respond to 02.  In my post to people new to the board, if they don't mention using 02, I always mention it as the first, best, line of defense.

I don't see anyone here who doesn't respond to 02 discouraging anyone from trying it!  We all WISH it worked and HOPE it works for those who haven't tried it!  It's just that for those for whom it does work, they should remember that there are people out there for whom it doesn't work.  Our "panties are in a wad" because that does not mean they do not suffer clusters, and that they and their supporters belong here just as much as anyone else.

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Reply #79 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:12pm
 
What?  Did I misread Barbara's post?  I thought it was very encouraging and promoted compassion.
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Reply #80 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:29pm
 
Just Plain Carl wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 12:01pm:
Hey Rolo,
    How ya makin out with your O2?
                       JPC


I have been using a preverbal crap load of it almost every 2 hours Carl. The throat is a bit dry but the head hasn’t imploded yet! Smiley I’m doing my best to leave the DHE stockpile alone… Roland Wink
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Reply #81 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:32pm
 
Give it hell, Rolo!!
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Reply #82 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
deltadarlin wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 11:44am:
I keep reminding myself that what others say/do don't have power over me (I taught classes on this very thing to others), but it is how I choose to react that makes the difference.


...wow...EVERYONE PLEASE RE-READ THIS QUOTE!!!

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Reply #83 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 8:31pm
 
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What?  Did I misread Barbara's post?  I thought it was very encouraging and promoted compassion.


I agree.  But I did feel it important to address the "But I emplore those of you who don't get the relief from O2 NOT to DISCOURAGE others from TRYING it. It won't hurt anyone and it might just HELP," because I don't recall ever having seen anyone do that.  Smiley

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Reply #84 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 8:34pm
 
....and back to the original post:

Rolo, is it just that they're no longer working with that supplier?  We had that happen with Gary's insurance.  They dropped the place we were using, and we had to get set up with a different supplier.

I hope that's all this is!

Wishing you PFDAN!

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Reply #85 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 9:39am
 
Can anyone give me assistance in obtaining some medical documentation on the merits of high flow O2 treatment to abort ch? I think my Neuro will be more willing to write an order for what I need if I can provide proof.
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Reply #86 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 9:58am
 
666ouch wrote on Dec 7th, 2008 at 9:39am:
Can anyone give me assistance in obtaining some medical documentation on the merits of high flow O2 treatment to abort ch? I think my Neuro will be more willing to write an order for what I need if I can provide proof.


Try the O2 info tab on the left. Print out the pertinent info and take it with you to the nero. ANY questions? Don’t hesitate to ask. There are several O2 threads on the board chalked full of great O2 tips and methods.

Best to ya,

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Reply #87 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 10:14am
 
666ouch wrote on Dec 7th, 2008 at 9:39am:
Can anyone give me assistance in obtaining some medical documentation on the merits of high flow O2 treatment to abort ch? I think my Neuro will be more willing to write an order for what I need if I can provide proof.



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Reply #88 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 1:20pm
 
666ouch wrote on Dec 7th, 2008 at 9:39am:
Can anyone give me assistance in obtaining some medical documentation on the merits of high flow O2 treatment to abort ch? I think my Neuro will be more willing to write an order for what I need if I can provide proof.

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Try this one - Chuck posted it under medications.

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Reply #89 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 1:44pm
 
       Or you can be proactive and tell your Doc. exactly what you need.

                      Kinder gentler Potter
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Reply #90 - Dec 7th, 2008 at 7:03pm
 
Thanks to all that have given me suggestions. I have copied a lot of helpful information. For anyone looking for something similar I found a post by Rob Johnson in Medications and Treatment... that will also be very useful.

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Covers major hedache types; standard and non-stardard treatments, etc.
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ALL NEW!! HEADACHE 2008-2009
The new 72 page Headache 2008-2009 is hot off the press! Click here to download the PDF instantly!

If you would like a bound copy, send $12 (includes shipping) to
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OR call 847-480-9399 to use Visa or Mastercard.


This may not get me a script for the volumes talked about by most here, but it is a much better starting place than the 6lit. that the Neuro. was writing for. I think Doctors are a lot like Court Room Judges. They need to get a rectal infusion Shocked of information before they can understand something.

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First Line Abortive Medications for Cluster Headache
1. Oxygen: Very effective, with no side effects. May be combined with other
abortives. Oxygen is worth trying for all patients willing to rent a tank; the usual
dose is 8 liters/min., for 10 to 20 minutes as needed, with a mask, used sitting
up and leaning slightly forward. 60% success rate. The rate may be pushed to
13 Liters per minute.


Thanks Again,
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Reply #91 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 6:47am
 
Steve,

The flow rate should be at LEAST 15 liters per minute with a NON-rebreather mask. The 8 liters just doesn't work as good. Most of us have gone to the 25 liters per minute and find that it works a lot better. 

You can find a regulator on E-bay if your doc gives you a hard time about that one. If you have trouble getting the right mask, let someone here know.

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Reply #92 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 8:55am
 
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First Line Abortive Medications for Cluster Headache
1. Oxygen: Very effective, with no side effects. May be combined with other
abortives. Oxygen is worth trying for all patients willing to rent a tank; the usual
dose is 8 liters/min., for 10 to 20 minutes as needed, with a mask, used sitting
up and leaning slightly forward. 60% success rate. The rate may be pushed to
13 Liters per minute.


I would add to this by saying that if you used 25 LPM, 60% would be a low estimate. Wink
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Reply #93 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 5:14pm
 
from my Living in the solution...not the problem (Newbie) post Quote:
Back to the Neuro today. She was not at all interested in my paper back up, as I figured. She said "I always prescribe 1 to 2 liters, I will have to look at my book" She wrote for 9 with an NRB. I told her to keep the paper work to read, she might find it interesting, and that I did not expect her to change her practice as a result of it. Plant the seed without damaging the ego  Cool Just got off the phone with Apria and we are all set for delivery tomorrow. Christmas is coming early for me this year. I looked at regulators on eBay and the are not all that much, just lots of different brands. I'm not sure which are better.

It's a good day in cluster town at least until 9:30PM


So, now I am regulator shopping. Any suggestions on brands etc?
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Reply #94 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 10:45am
 
Pete or Chuck can help you out there. I don't know beans from shinola. PM one of them. They're our ghurus here on O2 and all the stuff that goes with it. I just breathe the stuff.

Damn know it all docs... Sad  Bet she'd change her tune if she got hit with about a Kip 8-9. We'd see how the 1-2 liters worked for HER!!! What ever happened to "science" majors keeping an "open mind?" I swear I heard a science teacher say that was "important".

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666ouch wrote on Dec 8th, 2008 at 5:14pm:
So, now I am regulator shopping. Any suggestions on brands etc?


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Or try ebay, I would shoot for 25 LPM if you can find one or flotec makes them up to 60 LPM.

Hope this is helpful?

Questions? Just ask...

PF's to ya, Roland. Cool
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Reply #96 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 12:37pm
 
666ouch wrote on Dec 8th, 2008 at 5:14pm:
from my Living in the solution...not the problem (Newbie) post Quote:
Back to the Neuro today. She was not at all interested in my paper back up, as I figured. She said "I always prescribe 1 to 2 liters, I will have to look at my book" She wrote for 9 with an NRB. I told her to keep the paper work to read, she might find it interesting, and that I did not expect her to change her practice as a result of it. Plant the seed without damaging the ego  Cool Just got off the phone with Apria and we are all set for delivery tomorrow. Christmas is coming early for me this year. I looked at regulators on eBay and the are not all that much, just lots of different brands. I'm not sure which are better. It's a good day in cluster town at least until 9:30PM
So, now I am regulator shopping. Any suggestions on brands etc?


I recently bought this one in a CGA540 style that only fits BIG medical O2 tanks and ALL welding O2 tanks.

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If you plan to only use it on smaller tanks (E size and smaller) you can order the same regulator with a CGA870 fitting instead.

I went with the CGA540 because I can use it on welding tanks, large medical O2 tanks and smaller medical tanks with the adapter shown at the bottom of this page:
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See the other pages for more info too.

This is my travel setup, I can use standard CGA870 tanks or CGA540 tanks. Welding tanks are evrywhere once you start looking!

One more thing to be aware of: You are going to go through a lot of O2 assuming that it works for you. Be sure that you have multiple tanks on hand. What size did you get?


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Reply #97 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 2:54pm
 
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Just Plain Carl wrote on Dec 6th, 2008 at 12:01pm:
Hey Rolo,
     How ya makin out with your O2?
                       JPC


I have been using a preverbal crap load of it almost every 2 hours Carl. The throat is a bit dry but the head hasn’t imploded yet! Smiley I’m doing my best to leave the DHE stockpile alone… Roland Wink


Hi Rolo.. we've not yet met..

Do you have a bubbler?  That can really help ease the dryness situation. 

Moor medical online carries them but I forget the technical name for them.. I tried humidifier, but that's not correct.. anyone?



Potter wrote on Dec 7th, 2008 at 1:44pm:
       Or you can be proactive and tell your Doc. exactly what you need.

                      Kinder gentler Potter


Hiya Potter.. honestly.. I think its VERY proactive to go into your doctor's office, especially a neuro (a.k.a. know-it-all-god-not-willing-to-listen-to-a-patient-prescribe-their-own-treatment
-in-general-just-because-you-asked) prepared with literature that is convincing. At least, that's what I've seen many times here in the past. 

You may have a good neuro or gp that may listen to you off the bat, but for those who don't, why suffer needlessly when a little printed material will do the trick? 

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Reply #98 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 3:40pm
 
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I recently bhought this one in a CGA540 style that only fits BIG medical O2 tanks and ALL welding O2 tanks.

Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

If you plan to only use it on smaller tanks (E size and smaller) you can order the same regulator with a CGA870 fitting instead.

I went with the CGA540 because I can use it on welding tanks, large medical O2 tanks and smaller medical tanks with the adapter shown at the bottom of this page:
Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register
See the other pages for more info too.

This is my travel setup, I can use standard CGA870 tanks or CGA540 tanks. Welding tanks are evrywhere once you start looking!

One more thing to be aware of: You are going to go through a lot of O2 assuming that it works for you. Be sure that you have multiple tanks on hand. What size did you get?


Marc


I called flow tech and got Dave, a sales rep, on the phone. Not very knowledgeable about ch, but very empathetic and interested as well as helpful. He asked for documentation so I gave him the links to this site and others that I have found useful. He has a 0-25 lpm for $50.00 that he said they would priority ship.

Apria brought me an M tank. The delivery guy also suffers migraines or clusters (not sure which). He worked with me and gave me the biggest regulator he had on his truck, a 0-15 lpm. The mask they gave me is a piece of sh... oops poop. The valves don't seem to work right and the little plastic bag is too small. One of the masks referenced here will be my first purchase. Then I will see how I do at 15 lpm before I spend the money for the 25 lpm. Even though these are very important purchases I have been hit real hard in the markets lately, and now I am operating at a very substantial monthly deficit. I am also very aware that these expenditures can be made up for by reducing the amount of medicine that I might need and the copay's.
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Reply #99 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 3:55pm
 
Going in the right direction!

You certainly could stay with the 15LPM regulator and see how you do with a better mask, or even a mouthpiece. As long as you get 100% O2!

I bought one these mask/bag/tubing/mouthpiece kits online from these guys for $22.50 + shipping. They shipped the same day I ordered.  Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register

I'm starting to like the mouthpiece a lot........

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