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zwibbs-Scott CH.com Hall of Famer Offline Stay Strong !!! Posts: 2296 x1\|New Rochelle\|USA\|usa\|501\|104\|NY,New_York Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #25 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 2:17pm Plaxico Buress of the NY Giants knows alot about handguns.
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Racer1_NC CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline "Well, let's go see." Posts: 4417 Lewisville, NC Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #26 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 2:32pm zwibbs-Scott wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 2:17pm: Plaxico Buress of the NY Giants knows alot about handguns. It would appear that he doesn't know as much as he should....
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Melissa CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Don't give up! Posts: 7238 Central WI, USA Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #27 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 2:40pm Wow, ya'll have some big firepower. All I want to get is a .22 Ruger, lol.
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Jackie CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Go For It!!! Posts: 5903 Goshen, IN Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #28 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 2:50pm Tom, I was taught to hip shoot too. A friend from my gun club was really good at it. He taught me how to shoot skeet targets from the hip. It took some practice but I got pretty good at it. It was fun to mess around with after a hard day of competition. Jacks
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Reply #29 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 3:26pm

Can't offer any suggestions on modern handguns because I’m another 12 gauge user, both are Winchester 101 over-under.

I've been told that my thinking is faulty, but my first shell is similar to the Tri-Dent rubber pellet load as a less lethal warning shot. Courts have ruled heavily in favor of folks who use less lethal means as a first deterrent. It only takes s plit second to pull the trigger twice if you want to.

My shotguns are for powdering clay – at least I like to pretend I can. I’ll guarantee you that it would be hilarious to watch me try to hit a clay target from the hip Grin

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BMoneeTheMoneeMan CH.com Alumnus Offline In remembrance of KingCazman. RIP Posts: 2674 Portland, OR	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #30 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 3:58pm Why do you like the over-under rather than the side by side?
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George CH.com Moderator CH.com Alumnus Offline Black-Billed Magpie Posts: 8126 Boise, Idaho USA Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #31 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 4:22pm Brian, if you like the look of the Para's, they make a double-action in .45 ACP. Looks good, but I've never tried one out. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to or You'll note there's also a compact version. Best, George
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Reply #32 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 4:37pm

I searched and could not find the article but when the FBI test fired autos to destruction, I believe the S&W 10 was their favorite but the 1911 fired 1000 rounds even after the disconnector broke and they bypassed it (remove it and installed a stronger spring in the slide to prevent chain fire). It never stopped firing and they gave up. It defiantly showed its reliability and that’s why they still sell them 97 years from inception. Wink

Add; 13 round clips are for barn stormers! If I need more than two tries on a bad day, it would mean I'm running away. Cheesy

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Marc Ex Member Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #33 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 4:55pm BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 3:58pm: Why do you like the over-under rather than the side by side? No reason, just the way it started. The first was gift from a friend and the second was a deal I couldn't pass up. Either will perform well in the right hands.
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Ray CH.com Alumnus Offline Ray Posts: 1996 Columbus, Ohio Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #34 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 5:16pm I'm a skeet shooter, S&W Auto 1000. I also shoot holes in paper targets with a S&W 622. I agree with Potter, the baseball bat makes a good deterrant. Ray
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Reply #35 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 6:20pm

I agree with the rule that nothing beats a short shotgun for home defense.

A 5 year old possesses the skill to hit someone with it at household range, so even if you got eye-boogers going on from being woke at 3:32 am you still can feel pretty good about your odds.

Ansd then there is the variable lethality of the weapon. If you got other rooms occupied and collateral damage is a concern this feature will beat the hand gun "hands" down.

Any experienced criminal will instantly flee upon hearing the "chich-chick" pump sound.
The best home-defense weapon is one you never need to fire.

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Reply #36 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 6:21pm

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If I need more than two tries on a bad day, it would mean I'm running away. Cheesy

Rolo.

I hear that. Used to be you couldn't get more than 7 per clip in Oregon, or maybe it was 10, i cant remember. My client said to me 'if you haven't stopped a threat with 7 rounds, 15 isn't gonna help you'. Since he was retired PD, I figured he must be right.
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Reply #37 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:13pm

Racer1_NC wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 11:59am:

Plus, the sound of jacking a shell in the chamber is enough to make most home invaders flee with out firing a shot. Less mess that way. Wink

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Any experienced criminal will instantly flee upon hearing the "chich-chick" pump sound.
The best home-defense weapon is one you never need to fire.

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Add; 13 round clips are for barn stormers! If I need more than two tries on a bad day, it would mean I'm running away.

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Add; I have a 1911 for home and it will stop em and drop em at 25 yards. A 357 is only going to go right through them unless you have commandos with body armor coming at ya!

Life is not a video game. Have any of you cowboys actually taken a life? You seem to think there is humor in it. I, personally am stunned by your comments. Sad

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Rolomatic Ex Member	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #38 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:34pm Maybe it’s a man thing but if you lived a 100 years ago and were hungry or had invaders at your door, you would understand…
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KJ CH.com Alumnus Offline Posts: 596 Indianapolis, IN Gender:	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #39 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:40pm Quote: Maybe it’s a man thing but if you lived a 100 years ago and were hungry or had invaders at your door, you would understand… Priceless
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Re: Handgun advice?
Reply #40 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:50pm

I use to be of the mindset that if you found yourself in a bad situation, having a gun would only enhance the chances of being shot. Having served on a federal grand jury for a year of Fridays changed my thinking. NOLA rife with thuggery.

These days you don't stand a chance. Don't count on mercy from a bad guy. They shoot you for bragging rights. Killing you is nothing but a dead witness.

I use to have a Remington 870 pump. Gave it to a friend who hunts regular. I'm looking to get a new one and also shopping for a hand gun presently. Thanks for the tips.

Here's to praying we never have to use it.

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Reply #41 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:52pm

KJ,

I'm not one of the people you quoted, but I will comment.

No, I have never killed a person, but I have seen lots of death up close and personal. At 55 years old I have spent enough time looking inward to truly know myself. I'm a Dad of 5 daughters and 5 Grandkids. I would be happy to look you in the eye and tell you that I have no question that I could live with myself if I had to do it to protect those precious lives. Sometimes rabid animals have to die. That's just how it is.

Respectfully,
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Reply #42 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:54pm

KJ wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 7:40pm:

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Maybe it’s a man thing but if you lived a 100 years ago and were hungry or had invaders at your door, you would understand… Cool

Priceless

Priceless no, necessity yes! Every citizen who has not abused the privilege to own has the right to defend themselves! Until they change the bill of rights, it is useless to begrudge us our right to bear arms and I’m sticking with it!

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Reply #43 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:13pm

I should add here that anyone who's new to firearms and is thinking of acquiring one really ought to take a comprehensive firearms course that includes gun safety, self-defense, and lots and lots of range time with a certified instructor. The range time is very, very important--and you should continue to practice regularly.

The self-defense portion should include a shoot/don't shoot segment.

Most states that have concealed carry laws require these for licensure, but even if a person is not going to apply for concealed carry, it behooves them to be properly trained.

Okay--lecture complete... Wink

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jimmers Ex Member	Re: Handgun advice? Reply #44 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:14pm I have a lot of guns. But I prefer to throw a" job application" at the perp. They will run like hell most of the time! Break into my house and you'll find out what is waiting on the other side of the door Someone bring up a link to the Charlie Daniels song "Simple Man" That's what I'm talking about Jimmers
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Reply #45 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:20pm

Since to the causal observer all the quote's in KJ's post belong to me I'll answer, but only to mine.

I think if you will read my statement that you quoted, I specificly state that the mere sound of a shell being chambered would be enough to cause most home invaders to flee. That would be my preference.

In answer to your direct question, no, I have not been forced to take another's life. I don't even like to hunt. That being said, as Marc as stated far better than I could ever hope to, if faced with a situation that caused me either to act or witness my family being harmed by a criminal, I would act. If that means chambering a round, fine. If that means having to fire in self defense or in defense of my family, I would do so without hesitation.

If the above statements qualify me as a "cowboy", then I guess that's what I am.

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Reply #46 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:20pm

George wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:13pm:

I should add here that anyone who's new to firearms and is thinking of acquiring one really ought to take a comprehensive firearms course that includes gun safety, self-defense, and lots and lots of range time with a certified instructor. The range time is very, very important--and you should continue to practice regularly.

The self-defense portion should include a shoot/don't shoot segment.

Most states that have concealed carry laws require these for licensure, but even if a person is not going to apply for concealed carry, it behooves them to be properly trained.

Okay--lecture complete... Wink

Best,

George

Very true. I took a private course with another retired cop for my CCP. A large portion of the time was spent discussing how NOT to pull a gun, and to get the hell out of harm's way.

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Reply #47 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 8:33pm

You guys mean that someone has to show me how to use it? I guess that’s why I’m still here…. Just kidding!! It is a decision I would not take lightly (about .27 sec), and that I would want to be in my advantage or I would run with the cell in hand. I have two little ones in the house and the last thing I would do is a Wyatt Earp. I do prescribe to the BB bat deterant, and the guns are always locked up.

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Reply #48 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 9:12pm

Cowboy Bill, eh? Kinda has a nice ring to it. Wink

I wish the people here who have had experience with guns lived closer so I could get some pointers from you as I have been thinking about getting a gun. Never thought I would ever want one but times are changing and the crime that was in the inner city is branching out to the suburbs.

I've been mugged before and although I was lucky to have escaped with bruises and cuts, it was one heck of a scary event.

A few summers ago, a guy who was posing as a student selling magazines came to my door and if it wasn't for my Doberman, Deeogee I am sure he would have tried to make his way into the house.

After three times of nicely telling him that I wasn't interested in buying anything, he turned to walk away, pulled a sharp object out of his pocket, started throwing the F word around and was going to key my Jeep. Deeogee began to bark at him and he left but only walked down the street, sat on a rock and stared at my house for a while. I called John and the police and have thankfully not seen him again.

Last summer, another guy was roaming the neighborhood claiming to be a handy man. I was attempting to run an errand and as I was about to walk out the door, he appeared out of nowhere. I went back in the house, closed and locked the screen door and told him that I was not interested. He then grabbed the handle to the screen door while asking if he could come in to see my dogs. Deeogee came to my rescue once again.

I would hate the thought of taking another person's life but if it came down to mine or theirs the decision would not be a hard one to make.

Baseball bats are good if you are the same size as your attacker but if you're not, what the hell are you supposed to do? If you come into my house to harm me should I not be able to protect myself?

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Reply #49 - Dec 1^st, 2008 at 10:08pm

For a hand gun choice I prefer the .45 ACP to the .357 Mag. the .45 was developed during the Philipine uprising by the Moros because the .38 that was the official sidearm of the U S Army was not strong enough to knock down an attacker with one shot. The .45 Colt solved that problem. The .357 tends to be to high a velocity round to have the knock down power of the .45.

For home usage, the 12 guage does make a great deterrent as was mentioned. It is a little hard to use a long gun in a confined space though.

Tanya, I understand you don't have the same mentality toward firearms in the UK that has grown up with us in the States. Just because we want to arm ourselves for self protection does not denote bloodthirstiness. I know that is what the media portrays, but it does not hold uo. There are several good studies that have shown that areas that have concealed carry permits readily accessible to citizens have a proportionally lower crime rate than do areas that do not allow concealed carry. Washington DC, New York City, Chicago, and LA all have rather restrictive laws concerning gun ownership and usage, and they have MUCH higher crime rates than do much of the rest of the country. I personally carried a .38 special on my person when running a gas station several years ago, and it stopped an attempted robbery just because the other person saw it in my hand and didn't like the odds. I did not have to fire the weapon, but I would have if I had to. It would have been the choice of which one of us went home that night.

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