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Short Story: Combat (Read 6581 times)
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Reply #25 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:21pm
 
O2 has always worked to abort a CH for me, but only after I learned from this site (especially from Kip) how to use it correctly. BTW, I have heard from a couple of migraine people that O2 also works for them. Imitrex also works to abort everytime for me and is much faster. I don't have any side effects from either.

About the story: Drummer was the best writer to post here, but to each his own. I don't have a day job, so I can write all the crap I want. Authors are very thin-skinned, especially before they are published. Just another opinion.
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Reply #26 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 1:59pm
 
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Good story. One we all know too well. Dont quit your day job, we could use more spiritual leaders. We are a diverse bunch here. Dont expect all to have the same response. We are all different the way God intended. That doesn't make anyone less human or empathetic, just different.  Cool Your response to one opinion seems unfatherly. You asked for criticism. You got it. What you didn't get was the other 95% of communication...body language, visual clues. Add those to the comment and you would relax about it. Lighten up!!! All of you, my friends in battle, we have bigger foes than ourselves.
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Very well stated.
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Reply #27 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 6:28pm
 
Since I've read Paco's book and know he's an excellent writer, I'll go with what he says.

PS - I really liked the sex scene Paco.
PPS - Drummer is an idiot!
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Reply #28 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 7:19pm
 
Jesus H Christ, people. 
The fuckin guy didn't say he IS Jesus, he said he devotes his life TO Jesus.

Just like having a child seems to be a license to tell everyone else how to parent........putting on the robe seems to be your license for everyone else to pick you apart and let you know your shortcomings when compared to the Lord. 

C'mon people.  WTF?
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Reply #29 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 7:41pm
 
BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote on Dec 8th, 2008 at 7:19pm:
Jesus H Christ, people.  
The fuckin guy didn't say he IS Jesus, he said he devotes his life TO Jesus.

Just like having a child seems to be a license to tell everyone else how to parent........putting on the robe seems to be your license for everyone else to pick you apart and let you know your shortcomings when compared to the Lord.  

C'mon people.  WTF?
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LOL... I know... it doesn't seem fair does it Brian? But where could one possibly find a better place to practice patience than on an internet forum? Just avoiding thoughts of strangling folks alone has to be worth some sort of "graces, or indulgences, or whatever the bonus points are called now days.

If we can all just learn to treat each other like our beloved mother or grandmother... (assuming of course that you don't want to kill either of them) Life would be grand. Kiss

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Reply #30 - Dec 8th, 2008 at 8:54pm
 
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But where could one possibly find a better place to practice patience than on an internet forum?


I agree Tony, so why does he sound irritated?

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Your criticism of my short story lacks any measure of human empathy.  On several occasions, members from this community have voiced shock and dismay at your pronounced failure to comfort and support your fellow human beings in a humane manner.  Your inability to offer the most basic and simple human concern for your fellow man disheartens me greatly.  In addition, you paint yourself as a so-called "expert," claiming that o2 is the sole form of treatment for our condition.  Moreover, you have the singular audacity to make unfounded diagnoses, when in fact you have no basis or authority to express any professional opinion.


Time out, Joe. You are twenty-five posts into your time here (right?). Why blast a veteran, who gave you a five word response to your post? So, it wasn't flattering....you asked for criticism, right?

Turn the other cheek, and move on. Smiley
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Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 6:05am
 
well ... it seems I really stirred the pot huh?

First off, the criticism of my work really wasn't the main emphasis of my concern.  True, I may still be a bit of a "newbie," that doesn't mean that I cannot call someone or something out when I see it.

Secondly, the main problem I have with Potter, and I have made this known to him, is that he portrays himself as though he is an "expert" in all things related to cluster headaches.  In doing so, he has, on more than one occasion, inserted his opinion in a rather abrupt way, lacking any sympathy or empathy.  I seem to remember several others who either left, or nearly left because of this very fact. 

Potter's, and others like him, seem to think that they have the authority to tell anyone and everyone exactly how they should deal with our condition, disregarding the fact that doctors, especially neurologists, know far more and have more authority than they do. 

Potter has 1.) accused me of not having cluster headaches because I was reluctant at using O2 since the other forms of medication were working (they have since stopped working and I am using O2 now).  2.) accused my neurologist of being incompetent (in not so many words) because he was a little reluctant at prescribing O2.  (reason being is because both of us figured I was maybe a week out from ending my cycle).  3.) his comments about my short story were merely the straw that broke the camel's back so to say.

Truth is, I felt the need to step in and say something because it didn't seem like anyone else was.  I personally have the strength to let his antics roll off my back, but others haven't.  Part of being a good man, (let alone a good priest), is stepping in and being the voice for those who cannot speak.
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Reply #32 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 8:33am
 
So KJ, are you saying because Joe only has only 25 posts under his belt that he should tuck and run? He has the same right to express his feelings as someone with 412 posts! Why blast a new user?

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Reply #33 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 8:39am
 
Father Joe... you seem to have a problem with Potter..." the main problem I have with Potter, and I have made this known to him, is that he portrays himself as though he is an "expert" in all things related to cluster headaches.  In doing so, he has, on more than one occasion, inserted his opinion in a rather abrupt way, lacking any sympathy or empathy.  I seem to remember several others who either left, or nearly left because of this very fact. "

It appears to me that you are holding yourself out as a person who is an expert on the human condition. The way I see it... unless you've walked a mile in the mans shoes... what gives you he right to judge?

You took his comment as a criticism... I didn't interpret it that way at all. You did ask for comments and criticism... he was gracious enough to give you the time... (a gift).

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Reply #34 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 9:45am
 
Artonio wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 8:39am:
Father Joe... you seem to have a problem with Potter...he was gracious enough to give you the time... (a gift).


I hardly think grace was on his mind as he passed along his lackluster gift of critisisim. Sad
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Reply #35 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 10:01am
 
Father Joe, why are you dwelling on the one poster that disagrees that the story is prose personified. What about the other 95% who liked it?
If this was me, I would be thrilled that most liked it. But thats just me and alas ...a Protestant. Wink
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Reply #36 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:05am
 
dionysiusaeropagite wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 6:05am:
well ... it seems I really stirred the pot huh?


It does.

Of course--being new here "doesn't mean that I cannot call someone or something out when I see it." 

Pragmatically, however, do you think that will accomplish whatever change you would like to see?

Have you attempted to discuss this privately? 

Seems like one might wish to resolve a dispute privately before involving the entire community.  Of course, that's just me--but the results of involving the community in what may well be a private disagreement ought to be obvious by now.

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Reply #37 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 1:26pm
 
I wrote this bit some months ago, for myself and for a local writers' group. I wanted to reflect on what made good reading. This is my take:

Belles-lettres…

…those words chosen, that when arranged to convey the mood, emotion, setting and intention of the author, take on a presence of their own. They are words that live and live again each time they are read. Their construction and juxtaposition often bring about a lyrical quality, a Gestalt result that is so much more than simply a summation of the piece, or the passing on of information.

Does the work put you there in the action? Do you sense the surroundings and their framing relationship to the events? Do you react physically to the tension, the love, the anger, the danger, hilarity, or the pangs of disaster? Do you identify with the characters to the point of deep empathy? Do you sometimes fear to turn the next page? Do you rejoice with the spontaneous discovery of the unique attraction of lovers? Do you sometimes gasp or laugh out loud or cry? Do you want the story to never end?

Enduring works are those that mirror life with reflections that become more real and solid with each new reader.

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Reply #38 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 1:52pm
 
Swoon.......

You sure write well..........for a guy in diapers.
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Reply #39 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 2:01pm
 
Hmmm. Been sniffing around, huh?
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Reply #40 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 2:32pm
 
I think the story "combat" was well written and well received by most who read it including myself.  I don't however believe it was intended to create war among the people who read and post here.  I agree with those who have suggested that private disagreements could be better addressed privately, perhaps in a private message.  Writing such a story would be difficult if not impossible without having experienced the pain of cluster headaches, our universal reason for attending this great forum. We share our pain here and it's obvious the author needed to share his pain in the best way he knew how and the effort turned out well.  Great job! 

Now as far as the rest of the thread, it's unfortunate that the original theme was set off course. I'm new here, but i suggest the story be re-posted again some day and let it hold it's own without the controversy.  I believe in the heartfelt words I have received within this family of suffers and retain hope for it's future benefits.

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Reply #41 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 5:21pm
 
BlueDog wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 2:32pm:
I think the story "combat" was well written and well received by most who read it including myself.  I don't however believe it was intended to create war among the people who read and post here.  I agree with those who have suggested that private disagreements could be better addressed privately, perhaps in a private message.  Writing such a story would be difficult if not impossible without having experienced the pain of cluster headaches, our universal reason for attending this great forum. We share our pain here and it's obvious the author needed to share his pain in the best way he knew how and the effort turned out well.  Great job!  

Now as far as the rest of the thread, it's unfortunate that the original theme was set off course. I'm new here, but i suggest the story be re-posted again some day and let it hold it's own without the controversy.  I believe in the heartfelt words I have received within this family of suffers and retain hope for it's future benefits.

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Sounds like a really good idea to me as the language in the original prose was meaningful to many sufferers but the seeming need to "teach other people a lesson" via the judgemental and frankly patronising comments which followed stick in my own personal craw BIG time and detracted from the original post.

A real shame

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Reply #42 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 5:58pm
 
karma wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 5:34pm:
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.........the judgemental and frankly patronising comments which followed stick in my own personal craw BIG time and detracted from the original post.

And you had no problem letting everyone know just how you felt.


OH and nice touch removing that patronizing trinty B.S. response.


Yes, because I was truly ashamed of it.

But I'm not ashamed of anything else I wrote

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Reply #43 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 6:01pm
 
Yea me to. So I guess we're even Cheesy
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Reply #44 - Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:01pm
 
This is a very wierd thread. Just trying to figure out the motivations. It remains a mystery, but the plot keeps twisting:
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Reply #45 - Dec 10th, 2008 at 12:16pm
 
fdharden wrote on Dec 9th, 2008 at 11:01pm:
This is a very wierd thread. Just trying to figure out the motivations. It remains a mystery, but the plot keeps twisting:
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Reply #46 - Dec 10th, 2008 at 1:34pm
 
potter,

I have stated on several, and I do mean several, occasions that I am nothing but a lowly seminarian.  After having corrected people on numerous occasions, I cannot control how people insist to address me.  My priest friend calls me "msgr" in an endearing and friendly way.  In fact, he calls many seminarians "msgr" simply out of love. 

I have never claimed to be a priest, msgr, nor bishop.  I have never claimed to be anything but a seminarian.
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Reply #47 - Dec 10th, 2008 at 1:43pm
 
It took me time but I finally got the "breath of God" part. You had me after that.

Not a bad description too.

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