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Reply #25 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 7:51am
 
I'd probably do or say nothing.  He may just be looking for a reaction form you.  Sounds like he's a wart hog and constantly looking to stir the pot....especially where you are concerned.  Give him no dialogue and he'll probably be terribly disappointed.  I'd probably be as gracious as possible, thank him kindly and give him a hug...hoping all the while he'd have to go change his messed britches.... Wink

Take the gift and put it away, trade it, sell it or trash it. Wink

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Reply #26 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:55am
 
One of the hardest things I've had to learn is that there are people that will never meet my expectations.

If it were me, I'd smile, thank him and explain to the boy (in front of him) that Uncle so and so got him a present that he can't see until he's older. Tell him that 5 years from now, he'll really enjoy them.

Then, just leave it at that. He'll never change, so why waste any energy on him?

Even children have to be disappointed sometimes, so it's a good lesson for your son as well.

Families can suck ... but we don't have to let them get to us.

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Reply #27 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:11am
 
Thanks everyone

The kindly and polite variations on a "do nothing" look the safest under the circumstances with a very volatile and explosive character who is quite capable of ruining everyone's Christmas without seeming to notice or care (I'm not exaggerating, he has done it before on at least 3 previous Christmases)

My son sees him as an irrelevance to his life so he will not be too upset I don't think. Just cross with us when we won't let him watch them!


So bloody tempting one day to have the showdown my brother deserves but we haven't yet in 47 years and that day is certainly not  Christmas Day

As you say Nani, unless he gets help he won't change and he never would get help as he thinks he is right about everything in the world and it is everyone else with a problem!

You will love this quote from an email from him yesterday: I had said "You may be right" about somethig and his response was ""I expect you're right": isn't that like saying "I expect the sun to
rise tomorrow"? (he wasn't joking!)

I DON'T have a hope there do I?
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Reply #28 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 10:31am
 
Let him think he's right about everything. What harm is there in that? It's like giving a three-year old a biscuit and a pat on the head so they'll piss off and quit bothering you.  Grin
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Reply #29 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 11:55am
 
Your brother sounds like a total A$$HOLE... why in the name of god would you allow him to even come near your son, let alone offer your son gifts.

I would tell the jerk wad that the only thing you want him to give your son is a great deal of distance between the two of them.


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Reply #30 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:23pm
 
W - I also feel that your brother is doing this on purpose to get a "rise out of you"......................I KNOW the feeling all 2 well...........

I am the oldest of 4 girls, Susan, 44 & Michelle, 33, and I get along great, HOWEVER my sista Lori who is 47, is the EXTREMELY DIFFICULT one, and we consider her the "black sheep" of the family.......(We think she may have had too many concussions as a child!!!!).........Throughout all these years, Lori has been "coddled" by everyone, and still is, except by me...............About 3 years ago I had enough of her, put her in her place, and have not spoken to her since then..........My other sisters and I "agree to disagree", but not Lori.........I have no regrets regarding this estrangement, and I feel the bottom line is, even though she is family, you do not have to like each other!

You will decide which course of action to take with your brother...."GO with your gut feeling, that woman's intuition", it's usually always right!!!

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Reply #31 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:58pm
 
pubgirl wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 8:59pm:
Thanks Frank Kiss

I can be really tactful when I want to (don't laugh everyone here, I really can!) but my brother has such appalling relationships with pretty much everyone in the family that he takes offence really easily so I am paranoid.

Families at Christmas- aaaarrrrghhhh again, haven't even got together yet, THEN the feathers fly, and they ain't the turkey's!


W

This is HIS problem!  Be direct, polite and honest with him and let him shoulder the burden.  Why should you have to be put in a difficult position for his inability to get along with his family?

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Reply #32 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 3:41pm
 
I'm so glad that it's not just me.

My family are fab - when we fall out, we just fall out, have a good fight and then get on with things. But about 6 weeks ago, my OH's brother and girlfriend came over to say goodbye because we were leaving South Wales and they acted like complete tw*ts for the whole afternoon. I got upset and peed off (for my OH and his mum's sake) and sent what I thought was very constructive but firm email about the way they behaved and haven't spoken since. Now, his bro isn't best man at the wedding and they haven't spoken to us since. Ooops... I don't think we've lost anything really - I don't want people like that in my life, but my OH only has a small family.

Sorry to hijack - but Wendy, you're not alone in the family dept issues. I agree - don't let him get a rise out of you because that's what he wants!

Can you not take them out from under the tree before they're opened and hide them?  Smiley
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Reply #33 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 4:11pm
 
My suggestions are

1. If you open presents altogether, ie whole family together then if you can't change things is to let the short kiddo have his present from uncle early on in the proceedings. That way, you can discreetly remove them and hide them and no one is any the wiser.

2. If you open pressies at home, just you, Big Al and  then buy some different DVD's and give them to him instead. Then he can just say thank you for the DVD's and that be the end of it

It's fraught with stress no matter which way you look at it. Christmas and families always seems to come with a very short fuse and a LOT of gunpowder!
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Reply #34 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:02pm
 
I must just be a cold-hearted bastard, because I find the whole notion of allowing *anybody* to wind you up like that to be no better than a self-inflicted injury.

Why worry about it, seriously?  If he's an ass, don't associate with him.  I would never allow a person like that (brother or not) to be around my children or give them gifts.

If you know what to expect from him, and it's nothing good, stay the hell away from him.  There is nothing wrong with shutting people like that out of your life.  The holidays are no reason to be more lenient, in fact, you should be *more* protective of your happiness during this time of the year.  Giving people a second chance in the name of the holiday spirit is one thing, but letting them turn the holidays into a stressful occasion serves no purpose.

Tell him you no longer want to play these games, and that his passive-aggressive attacks on your happiness are over.

I stopped talking to my mother over 15 years ago when she wouldn't stop pulling this kind of crap, and I have no regrets.  Relatives don't have any special rights to cause you grief, IMO.

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Reply #35 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:44pm
 
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I must just be a cold-hearted bastard, because I find the whole notion of allowing *anybody* to wind you up like that to be no better than a self-inflicted injury.

Why worry about it, seriously?  If he's an ass, don't associate with him.  I would never allow a person like that (brother or not) to be around my children or give them gifts.

If you know what to expect from him, and it's nothing good, stay the hell away from him.  There is nothing wrong with shutting people like that out of your life.  The holidays are no reason to be more lenient, in fact, you should be *more* protective of your happiness during this time of the year.  Giving people a second chance in the name of the holiday spirit is one thing, but letting them turn the holidays into a stressful occasion serves no purpose.

Tell him you no longer want to play these games, and that his passive-aggressive attacks on your happiness are over.

I stopped talking to my mother over 15 years ago when she wouldn't stop pulling this kind of crap, and I have no regrets.  Relatives don't have any special rights to cause you grief, IMO.

-Shawn



I agree really Shawn, it isn't cold-hearted, just sensible. I have almost nothing to do with him most of the time now. When my mother dies I decided long ago that I would have no more to do with him and neither will my other brother, but I just can't bring myself to do it now for her sake. She has always been a perfect Mum to me but has lived her life in a rosy bubble, mostly blinding herself to what is obvious to everyone else about him. My parents sent him to a Harley Street psychologist once in his 20's when he had one of his "breakdowns" but he wasn't prepare to "join in" so it was useless.

She is too old to handle it now.

Simple as that really.

If it were just me, I would have ended contact many years ago without a backward glance and I may still do this if it gets out of control.

We are all in Scotland together this year (we have our own space though in an annexe, thank God!), but if he causes trouble it WILL be the last time I inflict him on my long suffering Big Al and George at Christmas.

Thanks for all the help everyone. So sad that Christmas brings stuff like this up when it should be something to look forward to. We will make sure George has the best time and sod everyone else

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Reply #36 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:37pm
 
Maybe buy your brother an inflatable ewe. Maybe if he's gettin' laid, he wouldn't be such a jerk.  Smiley
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