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Very sad, unfortunate situation in the Middle East
Dec 28th, 2008 at 1:42pm
 
A very sad and unfortunate situation is developing in the Middle East
The escalating situation, the loss of lives, and suffering on both ends are regrettable...

The Israeli retaliation to a deadly barrage of rockets to the southern parts of Israel, is not just a justice, it is
the obligation of a country; state, to defend its citizens!

The Hamas (the militant / terrorist organisation) in the Gaza Strip provoked Israel, after a 6 month of (relative) quiet cessation of violence, the terrorist organization Hamas has launched a massive rocket attack on the civilians in the (southern) cities and villages in Israel.

The Israeli military (IDF, Israeli Defence Forces) has launched a massive attack on the sources of the distraction, terror, deep hate- rage and fundamentalism, in the hope that the massive operation will stop the launch of rocket barrages into Israel, a thing that I doubt will happen.....

It is very regrettable, the loss of human lives in the Palestinian (Gaza Strip) area, but it is the responsibility of the ruling party (Hamas) in the Gaza strip to prevent the militants from staging a grinding war, a war of terror at the cities and villages in the Southern part of Israel, bordering with the Gaza strip....

I do hope that both parties (Israel and Hamas) will understand that violence is not the right way; it is not a solution, both parties should cease fire, and stop the evil and devilish cycle of pain and suffering,

But I don’t believe the circle of violence will stop, as long as radical fundamentalist groups of militants are free to stage a terror war on Israel, with support from fundamental countries and regimes.

Israel is the only democratic nation in that area,  with western roots, a country / state fighting for its right for peaceful and prospers existents..... between a (mostly) dictatorships and radical and fundamental countries with one desire..... to spared terror and to destroy Israel!

I am sad and worried, I am outraged, some of my close family members are living in Israel....

Michael

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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
It is very sad to know of what is going on there Michael. 

I do think that both sides are to blame though and the only way peace will come will either be when they destroy each other, or one side gives up.

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Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 2:29pm
 
I don't know Mel.  Virtually all reports say Israel never fires first, they always return fire when fired upon.

I really don't know if that is true, but if it is, I certainly hope they continue to do so and do not give up. 

I see firing first as a crime.  Firing second is a moral obligation.  Israel has given up land in order to stop the violence, but that didn't work.
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Reply #3 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 2:37pm
 
Of course a country has every right to protect it's citizens.

I just don't know though, if there will ever be peace there in my, or my children's, lifetime. Sad  I read the history of the area and it is horrendous how the governments, including the west, have manipulated and used the people there.  It's a huge mess and a very old battle.  What else can be done?
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Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 2:40pm
 
Sad indeed. It seems as though they are destined to fight through this millenia as they have in the past. How do you stop people from killing each other when that is all they know?
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Reply #5 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 2:56pm
 
I hear that BB.  After 50 years of fighting over land, the 1 side said they would stop attacking if they got the land back.  They got it back and are still attacking. 

It isnt about the land anymore.  It's about fighting.

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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:03pm
 
and it is about religion...

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Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:04pm
 
wildhaus wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 1:42pm:
I am sad and worried, I am outraged, some of my close family members are living in Israel....

Michael


I hope your family remains safe & free from harm Michael.

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Reply #8 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:06pm
 
This is a sad situation.  There will never be peace in the Middle East.  Whenever peace looks possible, the fanatics know exactly how to ensure that bloodshed and hostilities continue.  I don't know why anybody thinks this has a solution.  The Israelis would love to live in peace, but their 'occupation' of the area is something that cannot be peacefully resolved.  They pulled out of Gaza thinking it would bring some peace... instead it only gave Hamas another victory and encouragement for more terrorist acts.

The 300 rocket attacks launched by Hamas produced 1 Israeli death.  The Israeli IDF attacks have killed at least 245 and wounded over 400.  The Israelis have already dropped over 100 tons of bombs on Hamas targets.  That is the way this works... Hamas provokes until Israel retaliates.  Then Hamas uses the retaliation as proof that Israel is heavy-handed.  Magic, war continues.

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   Didn't the Jews just take the piece of Palestine that they wanted for a Jewish state?

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Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:39pm
 
I read that Iran is tickled pink at this......nothing new there but it ain't looking good for 2009.

I'll take Israel as an ally.

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Reply #11 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:59pm
 
Potter wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:14pm:
  Didn't the Jews just take the piece of Palestine that they wanted for a Jewish state?

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Potter, could you elaborate......  or is it a simple statement, to stir the pot?

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Reply #12 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 4:04pm
 
I support Israel all the way.

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Reply #13 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 4:18pm
 
wildhaus wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:59pm:
Potter wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:14pm:
  Didn't the Jews just take the piece of Palestine that they wanted for a Jewish state?

                        Potter


Potter, could you elaborate......  or is it a simple statement, to stir the pot?

Michael


     It was phrased as a question for a reason. That's why there is a question mark at the end of the sentence.  Maybe you should read a little closer before accusing me of trying to stir the pot.

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Potter wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:14pm:
  Didn't the Jews just take the piece of Palestine that they wanted for a Jewish state?

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Dear Potter and the rest of Clusterville:

That is NOT the way that it happened.  It all depends upon where you start looking.  The British controlled Palestine after Napolean.  There was an infamous "white paper" outlining a plan to return some of the land to be a Jewish homeland.  During the period between the world wars, there was a movement by Jews to buy up land in Palestine, which was considered worthless by the land owners.  The British made it impossible for Jews to move to the Holy Land during WWII.

In 1948, the narrow state of Israel was formed and was immediately attacked on all sides as the British turned over all arms to the
Arabs.

During the '67 war, Israel did sieze land that belonged to it's neighbors as a "security zone".  According to International Law, this is legal, as long as the country was attacked and defending its borders. 

It is horrible that this strip of land is fought over (and over).  Israel has a right to exist and to defend its borders.  One of the signs that Armageddon is coming is when all of Israel's friends turn their backs on them.  Although the USA preaches that they support Israel, many of their concessions are forced by financial means (loan guarantees, etc.)

I could go on and on, HOWEVER, it would be better that you look up the REAL history yourself.   Roll Eyes

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Reply #15 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 4:42pm
 
Ray wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 4:28pm:
 Israel has a right to exist and to defend its borders.  


Thats the way I see it. You hit me with a fly swatter, I hit you with a fucking sledge hammer!
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Thats the way I see it. You hit me with a fly swatter, I hit you with a fucking sledge hammer!


Thats the way I see it.  You spit in my eye and I will chop your head off and hang it from your front door for your family to see.


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Reply #17 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:04pm
 
Ray wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 4:28pm:
Potter wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:14pm:
  Didn't the Jews just take the piece of Palestine that they wanted for a Jewish state?

                        Potter


Dear Potter and the rest of Clusterville:

That is NOT the way that it happened.  It all depends upon where you start looking.  The British controlled Palestine after Napolean.  There was an infamous "white paper" outlining a plan to return some of the land to be a Jewish homeland.  During the period between the world wars, there was a movement by Jews to buy up land in Palestine, which was considered worthless by the land owners.  The British made it impossible for Jews to move to the Holy Land during WWII.

In 1948, the narrow state of Israel was formed and was immediately attacked on all sides as the British turned over all arms to the
Arabs.

During the '67 war, Israel did sieze land that belonged to it's neighbors as a "security zone".  According to International Law, this is legal, as long as the country was attacked and defending its borders.  

It is horrible that this strip of land is fought over (and over).  Israel has a right to exist and to defend its borders.  One of the signs that Armageddon is coming is when all of Israel's friends turn their backs on them.  Although the USA preaches that they support Israel, many of their concessions are forced by financial means (loan guarantees, etc.)

I could go on and on, HOWEVER, it would be better that you look up the REAL history yourself.   Roll Eyes

Ray



You're a very eloquent man, Ray, and have said it better than I could in a million years.
People seem to forget the land was Hebrew even before any muslem could take any rights on it.
Jews were driven from their land millenia ago, we seem to forget that somehow.

Kudos Ray.

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Reply #18 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:22pm
 
Pascal:

I had to cut my ramble down to the bone to type that out.  There's oh so much more to the story.  The bible section I was referring to in the previous post comes from the Old Testament prophet, Zechariah.  At the risk of offending anyone who is not "bible friendly", I thought I could copy a few verses from there to continue discussion.

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Zechariah 12 (New International Version)

Zechariah 12
Jerusalem's Enemies to Be Destroyed
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1 This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him, declares: 2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the LORD. "I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, 'The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the LORD Almighty is their God.'
6 "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.


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Reply #19 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:23pm
 
Potter wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 3:14pm:
   Didn't the Jews just take the piece of Palestine that they wanted for a Jewish state?

                        Potter


Not quite correct, although Potter is heading in the right direction.  If one reads the current history (and I"m talking about 20th and 21st history) in regards to this area, it was the British mandate (see the Balfour Declaration of 1917) that actually granted the Jewish people a homeland of their own.  Some of that land was obtained legally, some was not.

Both sides have been *in the wrong* since this started.  The peaceful Palestinians who live inside Israeli territory have never been granted any type of *status* as citizens or anything else.  The radical Palestinians want to see Israel destroyed at all costs.  FWIW, I am in no way, shape or form endosing any type of militant behavior, be it Hamas or any other group.

BTW, Israel is not the only democracy in the Mid-East (look it up, I did).

Until the radical elements are controlled, there will NEVER be peace in the Middle East.
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Reply #20 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:28pm
 
Michael,

Have you been able to contact your family members to see if they are safe?  If you do, let them know I will keep them in my thoughts.

My friend from high school, his wife and children also live in Israel.  Cry

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Reply #21 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:39pm
 
That seems weird, Ray.  I have never read the bible, but it seems as if that scene is saying all these centuries of death, destruction and fighting are all in the LORD's plan.......and that when all the fighting and death and destruction capitulates, thats when the real death and destruction will start.

So, if this is the LORD's plan, who are we to try to change the will of the LORD?  Why don't we just go along with it?

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Reply #22 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:43pm
 
Hamas was warned, now it is time to pay the price....WHAM. The UN did not call for a cease fire when Hamas was launching 80 rockets into Israel a day!

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Reply #23 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 5:46pm
 
Good Question!  Short answer -- Israel and the USA are not a Theocracy.  Meaning that God is NOT the head of our government.

In my personal opinion, God is at least smarter than us.  I think He could do a better job than our elected officials.  Please feel free to read the rest of Zechariah chapter 12 on Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register.

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Reply #24 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 6:44pm
 
We have been trying for 60 years to keep them from killin each other, and they are still killin each other… A futile waste of money and effort to delay the inevitable.
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