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Reply #25 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 7:20pm
 
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Both sides have been *in the wrong* since this started.

4000 years of war someone is wrong. Cheesy I pray for all of them.
I hope your family is safe Micheal.
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Reply #26 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 8:05pm
 

The place would not have been such a magnet for war if not so many major religions claim it to be their holy land.

For the Catholics, its where Jesus was born and crucified. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre is there.  For the Muslims, its the 3rd holiest city after Mecca and Medina, since thats where their prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven. They built The Dome of Rock ( mosque ) here and they have every intention of keeping it there. For the Judais, that was where Moses received the Ten Commandments and the First Temple was built to house the Ark of the Covenant. For the Jews, that was the site of two holy temples. Its related to their most important celebration of the Passover. Its also the site where the third and final Jewish temple should be built.

Interestingly, they are supposedly all worshipping the same God and actually have the same roots.

I dont know if the whole thing is God's plan. Somehow I dont believe an all loving God would plan for human to continue killing each others for thousands of years. Rather I think its man's greed for the power associated with their respective religion, and intolerance of one another, that keep the bloodshed going.

Throughout history, mankind has waged many wars and taken many lives, in the name of God. Yet in every religious teaching, peace and love and tolerance are preached. We human are a paradoxical creature.

Micheal, I pray that your family members there will be safe.

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Reply #27 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 8:11pm
 
I may be historically challenged but from my reading of history, it's all the west bank. Without it, Israel....as we know it, would not exist.

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Reply #28 - Dec 28th, 2008 at 11:20pm
 
I have my own point of view on all of this, but I would be accused of being a Zionist zealot. Meh... The UN needs to STFU and let Israel handle the problem as it sees fit. Israel has long been patient. If they drop the hammer on Hamas,  I don't think anyone can blame them. (Hamas, which is listed unanimously among civilized nations as a terrorist organization, I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone.)
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Re: Very sad, unfortunate situation in the Middle East
Reply #29 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 2:19am
 
Frank_W wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 11:20pm:
The UN needs to STFU and let Israel handle the problem as it sees fit. Israel has long been patient. If they drop the hammer on Hamas,  I don't think anyone can blame them. (Hamas, which is listed unanimously among civilized nations as a terrorist organization, I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone.)


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Reply #30 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 2:42am
 
Frank_W wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 at 11:20pm:
The UN needs to STFU and let Israel handle the problem as it sees fit. Israel has long been patient. If they drop the hammer on Hamas,  I don't think anyone can blame them. (Hamas, which is listed unanimously among civilized nations as a terrorist organization, I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone.)


If you lay land mines for a living, you are eventually going to step on one. Therefore don’t live in a minefield of your own making.

The UN slid that territory in on the sly and the US’s culpability has persuaded us to pay for it ever since we backed it, and helped to push it into existence.

I say again, they are going to kill each other whether we care or not. Why should we fund the destruction further by supporting one side or the other?

Futile it is, and futile it will always be. Let god sort them out after their self imposed demise.

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Reply #31 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 2:47am
 
It's been a sad and unfortunate situation for too long.  I pray your loved ones stay out of harms way Michael.

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Reply #32 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 4:52am
 
I did read all the responses to my initial post with grate interest, and to my replay to potters post.....
I thank you all for the concern for my family in Israel.... they are doing well, and if not wrong
my brother will be drafted to his post in the IDF.

To my response to some of the points that have been posted, as well as to Potters answer to my post, I will start with the last; Potter I did see the question mark at the end of your posted phrase, and have mistaken it for a provocation, I am sorry! the way you have posted it is the way most of the anti Israeli propaganda is abused.... the use of “innocent” dictum; didn’t the Zionists take the land of the Palestinians?.......

most of the facts have been posted already, so I will not repost the facts, I do want to add that the so called „Palestinian” problem as we know it today is mainly the out come of the six days war in 1967, but the misery the region has suffered from goes back to the UN resolution and the Reinstate of the state of Israel in 1948.
The refusal of the bordering Arab nations to recognize the right of the Jewish nation for a home land, and launching a war to annihilate the new borne nation / state of Israel (1948) a war that left the borders of Israel until 1967, with one war in between a war initiated by the United Kingdom and France, to re-open the Suez Canal in 1956, The background for the war were disputes over rights of control over the traffic passing through the Suez Canal, who was to own the canal, 1956 July 26: President Nasser of Egypt nationalizes the Suez Canal, and all of its assets. This as a response to Western unwillingness to help in financing the building of the new Aswan High Dam.

The “after mass” of the Six Days War, Israel occupying (freeing) the West Bank (of the Jordan River), all the Sinai peninsula, and the Golan Hights, Israel's territory grew by a factor of three, including about one million Arabs placed under Israel's direct control in the newly captured territories. Israel's strategic depth grew to at least 300 kilometers in the south, 60 kilometers in the east and 20 kilometers of extremely rugged terrain in the north, a security asset that would prove useful in the “Yom Kippur” war 1973 six years later.

After the “Yom Kippur” war 1973, the base to a Peaceful road has been seeded.... the historic visit of the Egyptian president in Israel paved the way to a peace accord between the tow nations, Israel and Egypt in September 1978, The Accords led directly to the 1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty.
During 1994 the ice was broken, after the Oslo Accords with the PLO, during July 1994 Declared that Israel and Jordan would end the official state of enmity and would start negotiations in order to achieve an "end to bloodshed and sorrow" and a just and lasting peace. On October 26, 1994 Jordan and Israel then signed the historic peace treaty.
For Bothe Peace treaties, and the Oslo Accord Israel has given up land and control over the majority of the occupied territories during the Six Days War (1967), with the hope that the situation in the middle east will improve and prosperity will come to the region.

The fundamentalists did not see it that way, the agenda dictated by Muslim radicals, backed by regimes in fundamental Muslim states, namely, to spared terror and the distraction of Israel.

With this given (preconditions) the peace process in the Mid. East has very little chance, the in ability of the radical Islamic organizations to recognize the existence and right for a Jewish state (Israel) for peaceful and safe existence, is in the core of the situation.
As long as this right for mutual existence with respect, there is no way we will see peace in the area soon or ever....

It is a very simplified version and vision of the situation, and is the way I see it as a Jew, and an Israeli,
I do recognize the fact that there are some border problems, problems that can be solved!
but one can not solve a problem with out the willingness and interest of one of the parties, or better put, the sole interest and desire of one of the parties to annihilate the other party, the fundamental desire of the radical Islamic party’s to annihilate the Jewish state of Israel.


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Reply #33 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 4:58am
 
This is where I disagree with you Michael, I see it as an Israeli defending his country without a denominational value preset to it. Fighting over religion is not going to get anyone closer to god figuratively, only literally.

Roland.

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Reply #34 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 6:37am
 
Michael,

I'm glad your family is safe and I pray that they'll stay that way.

Now for my 2 cents on this subject (and ya'll knew it was coming didn't ya?)

I've always admired the Jews for their survival instincts. While I can't quote chapter and verse (I'm too darn lazy to look it up), I do know from history (and yes, I have studied it) they have survived all kinds of unsurmountable odds and survived them all. Not just lately, but since time began (or as far back as I've been able to study). People have always tried to "wipe them out" and yet they've survivied and become stronger each time.

From the posts here, I see a pattern. Israel is a small country surrounded by enemies, yet it has survived for thousands of years and is still surviving. Their enemies are trying to destroy them, yet they survive. That should tell us all something... they WILL survive this as they have for thousands of years and they WILL come back stronger than they were before.

Anyhow that's how I feel about it.

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Reply #35 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 2:18pm
 
Every weird-beard in the Middle East wants to decapitate Israel whether they publically (Iran) declare it or smite them with smiles (Egypt) in private.

Either way, as an incredibly foolish act on Israel's part they gave up the coastal land of Gaza in exchange for peach with militants. Within 6 months of the move weapons, people, bunkers, tunnels, etc were all being set up to more easily attack the Jews. And so they did.

The current position of Syria is that diplomatic relations (recognition) can be had if Israel will give up the Golan Heights! Ha! That's where the Syrians attacked them from last time and it's also atop mountains with strategic battering positions.

Instead, I think Israel should re-take Gaza, extend their borders, and tell the Arabs if it's so important that the Palestinians have their own turf, how bout giving a little up in Jordan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or some other desert location?

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Reply #36 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 7:45pm
 
A religious kaleidoscope of hatred. Jews, Christians and Muslims entangled in a never ending exhibition of stupidity.

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Reply #37 - Dec 29th, 2008 at 8:51pm
 
Well, the Jews and the Christians get along pretty good, and so do those who follow a more moderate, peaceful form of Islam, such as the Sufis. All of them share Jerusalem, and it's not a problem, until the Islamo-fascists decide to solve problems the way they always have: With violence. You would think that over eight centuries of bloodshed would teach them something, but there they are, wailing and screaming like this current Israeli retaliation is some unprecedented and unforeseen consequence. Idiots.
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Reply #38 - Dec 31st, 2008 at 4:23am
 
i found this article very interesting. NO, it's not intended to raise the temperture of the debate, only to broden it. Andrew.
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Reply #39 - Dec 31st, 2008 at 6:23am
 
BarbaraD wrote on Dec 29th, 2008 at 6:37am:
From the posts here, I see a pattern. Israel is a small country surrounded by enemies, yet it has survived for thousands of years and is still surviving. Their enemies are trying to destroy them, yet they survive. That should tell us all something... they WILL survive this as they have for thousands of years and they WILL come back stronger than they were before.


Israel's inception...

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A bit of history here

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The archeological record indicates that the Jewish people evolved out of native Cana'anite peoples and invading tribes. Some time between about 1800 and 1500 B.C., it is thought that a Semitic people called Hebrews (hapiru) left Mesopotamia and settled in Canaan. Canaan was settled by different tribes including Semitic peoples, Hittites, and later Philistines, peoples of the sea who are thought to have arrived from Mycenae, or to be part of the ancient Greek peoples that also settled Mycenae.

According to the Bible, Moses led the Israelites, or a portion of them, out of Egypt. Under Joshua, they conquered the tribes and city states of Canaan.  Based on biblical traditions, it is estimated that king David conquered Jerusalem about 1000 B.C. and established an Israelite kingdom over much of Canaan including parts of Transjordan. The kingdom was divided into Judea in the south and Israel in the north following the death of David's son, Solomon. Jerusalem remained the center of Jewish sovereignty and of Jewish worship whenever the Jews exercised sovereignty over the country in the subsequent period, up to the Jewish revolt in 133 AD.

The Assyrians conquered Israel in 722 or 721 B.C. The Babylonians conquered Judah around 586 B.C.  They destroyed Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, and exiled a large number of Jews.  About 50 years later, the Persian king Cyrus conquered Babylonia. Cyrus allowed a group of Jews from Babylonia to rebuild Jerusalem and settle in it. However, a large number of Jews remained in Babylonia, forming the first Jewish Diaspora. After the reestablishment of a Jewish state or protectorate, the Babylonian exiles maintained contact with authorities there. The Persians ruled the land from about 530 to 331 B.C. Alexander the Great then conquered the Persian Empire. After Alexander's death in 323 B.C., his generals divided the empire. One of these generals, Seleucus, founded a dynasty that gained control of much of Palestine about 200 B.C. At first, the new rulers, called Seleucids, allowed the practice of Judaism. But later, one of the kings, Antiochus IV, tried to prohibit it. In 167 B.C., the Jews revolted under the leadership of the Maccabeans and either drove the Seleucids out of Palestine or at least established a large degree of autonomy, forming a kingdom with its capital in Jerusalem. The kingdom received Roman "protection" when Judah Maccabee was made a "friend of the Roman senate and people" in 164 B.C. according to the records of Roman historians.

About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome
The Romans called the large central area of the land, which included Jerusalem, Judea. According to Christian belief, Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, Judea, in the early years of Roman rule. Roman rulers put down Jewish revolts in about A.D. 70 and A.D. 132. In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem, following the failed Bar Kochba revolt. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time. The name Palaestina, which  became Palestine in English.

Jewish communities continued to exist, primarily in the Galilee, the northernmost part of Palestine. Palestine was governed by the Roman Empire until the fourth century A.D. (300's) and then by the Byzantine Empire. In time, Christianity spread to most of Palestine. The population consisted of Jewish converts to Christianity and paganism, peoples imported by the Romans, and others who had probably inhabited Palestine continuously.


During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim  Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's. The rulers allowed Christians and Jews to keep their religions. However, most of the local population gradually accepted Islam and the Arab-Islamic culture of their rulers. Jerusalem (Al-Quds)  became holy to Muslims as the site where, according to tradition, Muhammad ascended to heaven after a miraculous overnight ride from Mecca on his horse Al-Buraq. The al-Aqsa mosque was built on the site generally regarded as the area of the Jewish temples.

The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years. Initially they were replaced by the Fatimid rulers of Egypt. The Fatimids took advantage of the Seljuk struggles with the Christian crusaders. They made an alliance with the crusaders in 1098 and captured Jerusalem, Jaffa and other parts of Palestine.

The Crusaders, however, broke the alliance and invaded Palestine about a year later. They captured Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1099, slaughtered many Jewish and Muslim defenders and forbade Jews to live in Jerusalem. They held the city until 1187.

In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine. Arab-speaking Muslims made up most of the population of the area once called Palestine. Beginning in the late 1300's, Jews from Spain and other Mediterranean lands settled in Jerusalem and other parts of the land. The Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine.

In 1798, Napoleon entered the land. The war with Napoleon and subsequent misadministration by Egyptian and Ottoman rulers, reduced the population of Palestine. Arabs and Jews fled to safer and more prosperous lands. Revolts by Palestinian Arabs against Egyptian and Ottoman rule at this time may have helped to catalyze Palestinian national feeling. Subsequent reorganization and opening of the Turkish Empire to foreigners restored some order. They also allowed the beginnings of Jewish settlement under various Zionist and proto-Zionist movements.  Both Arab and Jewish population increased. By 1880, about 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine, out of a population of about 400,000. At about that time, the Ottoman government imposed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchase, and also began actively soliciting inviting Muslims from other parts of the Ottoman empire to settle in Palestine, including Circassians and Bosnians.  The restrictions were evaded in various ways by Jews seeking to colonize Palestine, chiefly by bribery.

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Reply #41 - Dec 31st, 2008 at 8:35pm
 
Perhaps a map of the world will bring a little more understanding about the people of that part of the planet. I mean once you understand where they come from after all.
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Reply #42 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 3:56am
 
Re: The Video you posted:

1. Are all the women, little girls and little boys who are targeted by the THOUSANDS of missiles launch terrorists?

2. Which came first? The thousands of missiles OR this recent bombing?

3. There is almost NO international pressure in Israel to stop. DO YOU KNOW WHY? Becuase HAMAS started it. Do you think the world allow this much IF Hamas DID NOT FIRE THOSE THOUSANDS of rockets, into Israel?

4. Why do these Palestinian supporters think that they can fire thousands of weapons indiscriminately at civilan targets, yet cry and try to introduce propaganda when the person they shot at FIRES BACK.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT HAMAS AND THE PALESTINIANS, because no matter how bad they have it, EVERYONE THINKS THEY DESERVE IT. If Hamas is NOT WILLING TO RESPECT civilians, WHY SHOULD ANYONE REPECT THEIR CIVILIANS.

So to answer the questions on the video, YES, that little girl is a terrorist, and YES, that little boy is a terrorist. And the ONLY thing that is upsetting to me and MILLIONS of people throughout the world is that those little terrorists WERENT KILLED. For in 5 or 10 years THEY will be the next suicide bomber or missile launcher.
KILL THEM ALL ISRAEL, DO NOT STOP. NO ONE WILL STOP YOU BECAUSE THE ENTIRE WORLD REALIZES HAMAS IS TOO STUPID TO FUNCTION IN MODERN SOCIETY.
Kill EVERY LAST Man, Women, Child, BABY, EVERYONE.

The world will be better off without them.

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Reply #43 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 6:06am
 
This is not the answer. Alas, violence begets violence. Andrew.
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Not sure if you're talking about Hamas violence or Israelie retaliation but it seems to me that in WW1 & WW2 violence ended violence.
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Reply #45 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 9:31am
 
Bob P wrote on Jan 3rd, 2009 at 7:55am:
Not sure if you're talking about Hamas violence or Israelie retaliation but it seems to me that in WW1 & WW2 violence ended violence.


Yep. And right up until the United States entered the European theater, the newspapers were still writing articles and editorials on how the US could (and should) get along with a Hitler-controlled Europe. Pacifism seemed to be the popular choice. In hindsight, it seems crazy, doesn't it?

When you have a rabid dog running amock and biting everyone in sight, there is no appeasing it. The most effective solution is the most obvious one: A bullet through the dog's head.
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Reply #46 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:28am
 
Actually, it was Israel that broke the cease-fire agreement back in November when they killed 6 Palestinians, including a UN worker.  After that, Israel put a complete block on what little food, water, fuel, etc. they were allowing into Gaza.  That's when they started shooting the rockets at Israel.  Imprisoned, starving, and innocents being killed, the rockets seem a bit justified (not that I agree with it) in that they felt that was their only option.  The rockets never actually killed anyone until after Israel started the air assaults on Gaza.  

Not to mention, Israel has been planning the assault for 6 months now, back when they were signing the cease-fire.  They said the cease-fire gave them time to build up and plan for the attack.  

A few other reasons why the people in Gaza felt that shooting rockets was their only option (all happening during the cease-fire):

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Reply #47 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 5:42pm
 
I'am against violence per se.

ww1, that started in 1914, had over a 100 countries involved.

ww2, that ended in 1945, had over 100 countries involved.

this conflict has 2 countries, one strong and one weak.

It's wrong. Andrew.

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Re: Very sad, unfortunate situation in the Middle East
Reply #48 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 5:51pm
 
Why is it wrong? Israel has made concession after concession to the Palestinians over the years, and every single time, rather than peace or security, they've been met with hatred, violence, and terrorism.

Would it be less "wrong" if Israel just dropped its guard, disbanded its military, and let itself be overrun?

Would it be less "wrong" for Israel to continue to let Hamas rockets fall on their cities and civilians and not take action?

What if Mexico decided to start dropping rockets on El Paso? Would you support US military action in retaliation, or would that also be "wrong"?

What if Ireland began raining rockets on London? Would England's military retaliation be "wrong"?

I'm trying to understand, but your point of view is rather puzzling...
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Re: Very sad, unfortunate situation in the Middle East
Reply #49 - Jan 3rd, 2009 at 5:57pm
 
I dont know what is so complicated......stop shooting rockets at me and I will stop killing your whole country.

What does Hamas not get? ......Or do they not give a fuck about their people.
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