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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #50 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:18am

She asked about smoking "crack". Whether she thought it was an option or not, she asked about smoking "crack". WTF? What part of "it seems that smoking crack can abort" doesn't sound as though she is talking about "crack"? This is idiotic. No one ran her off. She was one and done and gone.

Oh no one is denying you your accomplishment. You chased her off. If that was your goal, I say job well done!

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #52 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:21am

gizmo wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

I suppose we all were in the situation that we would try anything to get rid of CH.

Nope. Sorry.

It is not okay to infer that after having done "extensive research" she heard that "crack" was an abortive. Not okay then, won't ever be okay. She is one and done and gone.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #53 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:30am

seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

gizmo wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

I suppose we all were in the situation that we would try anything to get rid of CH.

Nope. Sorry.

It is not okay to infer that after having done "extensive research" she heard that "crack" was an abortive. Not okay then, won't ever be okay. She is one and done and gone.

I have actually seen that cocaine, or crack cocaine if you will, can abort clusters. I would not promote it, but since you mention it, here you go. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

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So, does this make me one and done?

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icedragon Ex Member	Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine? Reply #54 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:30am Nope, I guess not...
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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #55 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:58am

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seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

gizmo wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

I suppose we all were in the situation that we would try anything to get rid of CH.

Nope. Sorry.

It is not okay to infer that after having done "extensive research" she heard that "crack" was an abortive. Not okay then, won't ever be okay. She is one and done and gone.

I have actually seen that cocaine, or crack cocaine if you will, can abort clusters. I would not promote it, but since you mention it, here you go. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

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So, does this make me one and done?

You're going to have to do better than that. If that is what you define as extensive research you've gotta be kidding. Maybe that is the problem here on this thread.

By the way, she is one and done and gone - if you haven't noticed. Her choice.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #56 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 12:15pm

The only thing I requested, is the link to the information that stated "smoking crack aborts cluster headaches". That's all!!

Cocaine as a medicinal use is one thing, but when you post "smoking crack" as a medicinal use, it's a WHOLE other ballgame.

THAT is why I was curious.

I think we need to really look at the terms here, not group it all together.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #58 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 1:25pm

seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:58am:

Quote:

seasonalboomer wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 11:21am:

gizmo wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:57am:

I suppose we all were in the situation that we would try anything to get rid of CH.

Nope. Sorry.

It is not okay to infer that after having done "extensive research" she heard that "crack" was an abortive. Not okay then, won't ever be okay. She is one and done and gone.

I have actually seen that cocaine, or crack cocaine if you will, can abort clusters. I would not promote it, but since you mention it, here you go. Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!! You need to

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So, does this make me one and done?

You're going to have to do better than that. If that is what you define as extensive research you've gotta be kidding. Maybe that is the problem here on this thread.

By the way, she is one and done and gone - if you haven't noticed. Her choice.

First, I never said I was doing extensive research...

Second, I think you are missing the point. One search found over 40,000 hits, so, who is to say that she did not find something stating that "crack" can abort.

Third, you have twisted her words and have made attacks on her character as a CH supporter from the very beginning.

Fourth, Her question was about powdered lidocaine. Regardless of how crazy anyone's idea, she came here looking for help.

Fifth, the problem with this thread is that some people do not take the time to read and jump to conclusions instead of offering help. And really, do you honestly think that anyone is going to return and start dealing with this crap after you compare them to plague.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #59 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 1:35pm

Lydia64 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2009 at 4:17pm:

I have been doing extensive research and it seems that smoking crack can abort.

What part of that don't you understand?

I read the whole post. I get it. She's one and done.

Do you still want to defend and extend the discussion of what is undeniably a dangerous drug - "crack cocaine", or maybe you'd prefer to see if we can interject "methamphetamine" into to see if there's ways to acquire bulk volumes of sudafed?

Unbelievable. You can have DJ or Steph kick me off this site before I give on this one.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #60 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 2:09pm

Not defending it, just saying it is plausible. Not saying it is true, just saying that it is possible that some one could find that kind of info. Not saying that I agree with her in anyway, just keeping an open mind. However, I do disagree with the way you have personally attacked someones character because you disagree with something they stated. The mere mention of crack does not warrant your trying to belittle them. It goes against the grain of, what I believe is, the purpose of this board. You could have gone about it differently.

If you want DJ and Steph to review your attacks of someones character that is entirely up to you.

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seasonalboomer CH.com Hall of Famer Offline CH messes with my isness Posts: 2517 Charlotte, NC Gender:	Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine? Reply #61 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 2:25pm Quote: Not defending it.. You are. To make a point. Okay, I'm done with the thread at this point. But, Don't use crack. If you are a supporter don't give crack to a sufferer. It would be beyond stupid. It's bad and bad for you. My point.
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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #62 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 3:15pm

UnderTheRadar wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 5:33pm:

I think we're getting a little off-topic; this poster didn't ask about the effectiveness of cocaine; she specifically asked about smoking crack.

Now, I searched, and I couldn't find a reference to crack-smoking for CH anywhere. The scary thing is that this person is not only picking up on that as the one abortive they want to ask about, but also that she is looking for a crack "substitute" to smoke...somehow she has gotten it into her head that "smoking something = CH abortive". So despite her extensive research she doesn't get it at all.

I think as much as we have a right to voice our opinions and ideas on treatments and medicines, as the web's premiere CH discussion site (ONLY site? hehe) I feel we also have a duty to be careful what ideas we present...
not only for the fact that yes, many of us are openly flaunting the law in our use of hallucinogens as a treatment and thus we don't need any extra attention in the realm of illegal drugs;
but also for the fact that there are some very desperate people out there, and in doing searches on the web they may come across a post like that woman's and see "extensive research...smoking crack...aborts clusters..." and get the bright idea to try it. And it's already happened; I mean, this girl picked up the idea from somewhere, right? So now this makes two websites where crack smoking is mentioned...I can just smell trouble.

I hate to chase anyone off, but I'm very protective of what this site stands for, and what it means to each of the sufferers who have found what they needed here to carry on and fight the good fight...

so, I think while we do need to show compassion, SOME things should still be black and white. For web surfers who don't sift through hundreds of our posts, if we don't respond strongly to outrageous ideas like this one, it might seem to them as if it's worth a shot.

Great post!

I don't really have anything to add to this other than I wouldn't recommend crack/cocaine to my worst enemy, regardless if it aborts a headache or not. The shit is DANGEROUS!!!

When crack/cocaine is studied by Harvard/Yale/Stanford/Princeton professors to abort a cluster attack, let me know, in the meantime suck on some O2.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #63 - Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:27pm

"When crack/cocaine is studied by Harvard/Yale/Stanford/Princeton professors to abort a cluster attack, let me know" Thank you...I was starting to feel a little "warm" in here. Wink

"Except for the level of danger I can't see a difference there, especially from a newbies point"
Sorry Oliver, but I beg to differ- there's a BIG difference: shrooms actually WORK for CH, and are SAFE.
But that's the whole point- newbies don't know this; that's why it is imperative for US to lead the way and make sure they don't get the wrong ideas about other drugs, like crack.

"Her question was about powdered lidocaine. Regardless of how crazy anyone's idea, she came here looking for help. Not defending it, just saying it is plausible. Not saying that I agree with her in anyway, just keeping an open mind."
No, Icedragon, you're not defending it, but you're sure not condemning it, either. That's just ambiguous enough to give someone room to think it's worth a try.

You know, I felt really bad last night after all of this, but when I went back and read it all over again, no one really got ugly about it. Some mild jokes were made, but nothing nasty. If she's that fervent a supporter, then she wouldn't be scared off by some mild chastisement of what she herself says is "not an option." Right?

"It goes against the grain of, what I believe is, the purpose of this board."
And just what is the purpose of this board, pray tell? To entertain every hare-brained idea that someone finds on the internet just so that we don't "scare" them away? sheesh.

Oh, and merci beaucoup, Icedragon, for posting your search results...and making it that much easier for nutballs to find more evidence in support of cracksmoking!!!

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #64 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 3:54am

UnderTheRadar wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:27pm:

"When crack/cocaine is studied by Harvard/Yale/Stanford/Princeton professors to abort a cluster attack, let me know" Thank you...I was starting to feel a little "warm" in here. Wink

"Except for the level of danger I can't see a difference there, especially from a newbies point"
Sorry Oliver, but I beg to differ- there's a BIG difference: shrooms actually WORK for CH, and are SAFE.
But that's the whole point- newbies don't know this; that's why it is imperative for US to lead the way and make sure they don't get the wrong ideas about other drugs, like crack.

"Her question was about powdered lidocaine. Regardless of how crazy anyone's idea, she came here looking for help. Not defending it, just saying it is plausible. Not saying that I agree with her in anyway, just keeping an open mind."
No, Icedragon, you're not defending it, but you're sure not condemning it, either. That's just ambiguous enough to give someone room to think it's worth a try.

You know, I felt really bad last night after all of this, but when I went back and read it all over again, no one really got ugly about it. Some mild jokes were made, but nothing nasty. If she's that fervent a supporter, then she wouldn't be scared off by some mild chastisement of what she herself says is "not an option." Right?

"It goes against the grain of, what I believe is, the purpose of this board."
And just what is the purpose of this board, pray tell? To entertain every hare-brained idea that someone finds on the internet just so that we don't "scare" them away? sheesh.

Oh, and merci beaucoup, Icedragon, for posting your search results...and making it that much easier for nutballs to find more evidence in support of cracksmoking!!!

You know, when I posted the search results it was only to make the point that it is possible that someone could have stumbled across something stating crack can be used as an abortive. It is not that hard to do, anyone can do it. It took me all of five seconds. If you would have bothered to read any of the links on the top of the list you would have realized most say that cocaine is a trigger for CH.

I just get sick of people twisting peoples words and then persecuting them for something they never even said. She never "specifically asked about smoking crack" did she? So she she said, it seems crack can abort. Don't you think it fair that they get the chance to show their source before comparing them to the plague. And No, being compared to the plague is not a mild joke.

And, yes that is exactly what I mean, we should entertain every harebrained idea that comes along. Like the one where it is okay to misquote people and twist their words into what ever anybody wants to. We could even take it a little further by acting offended when you get called on it and try to make the other guy look bad...

Or, when misguided people come onto the board you can steer them in the right direction with some tact instead of attacking their character.

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Reply #65 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 3:41pm

Hey, I never attacked her character. As far as I can tell, no one else did, either- they just attacked her idea of smoking crack to abort headaches.

And frankly, I'm impressed with how gently everyone DID respond...have you even been on other message boards? They would have set off the sprinklers.

"And, yes that is exactly what I mean, we should entertain every harebrained idea that comes along." That's an entire sentence that you wrote, no twisting or distorting. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to that?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure don't want my email address connected to anyone that would advocate such dangerous nonsense. Huh

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #66 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 4:31pm

I agree with the others that she was one and done. So whatever.

Radar, I agree, no one attacked her character, and the idea of smoking lidocaine (since she wasn't advocating smoking crack to begin with) needed to be put down. But the fact of the matter is that lidocaine (used intranasally) is included in most literature as an abortive treatment and is prescribed for treatment of CH.

Some took off on the cocaine aspect of the background she presented, but she wasn't asking about coke or crack. So how she got there might be nutty, and I don't buy for a minute that "extensive research" was done to get to her conclusion, but for those who jumped all over her idea of lidocaine, well, again, for the record, lidocaine, when used properly (as a spray or administered by the neuro as a gel up in the nose in order to reach the supratrochlear nerve) - IS a legitimate abortive, it is currently prescribed by docs as an abortive, and it does works for some.

So I don't even agree that her idea of using lidocaine is such a harebrained idea. Without having read any of the treatment literature, she got to a legitimate treatment - just not a legitimate method of delivery.

But just for the record, she wasn't advocating it, she came here asking about it. And we all answered: no, and don't try it.

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Re: Has anyone tried powdered lidocaine?
Reply #67 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 4:53pm

UnderTheRadar wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 3:41pm:

Hey, I never attacked her character. As far as I can tell, no one else did, either- they just attacked her idea of smoking crack to abort headaches.

And frankly, I'm impressed with how gently everyone DID respond...have you even been on other message boards? They would have set off the sprinklers.

"And, yes that is exactly what I mean, we should entertain every harebrained idea that comes along." That's an entire sentence that you wrote, no twisting or distorting. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to that?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I sure don't want my email address connected to anyone that would advocate such dangerous nonsense. Huh

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